∀ General Anime Discussion

[Lord Iames Osari]

So named for the fourth non-UC timeline Gundam series.

<.<

>.>

I got nothin' else. Discuss away.

[Dispozition]

Now I actually need to watch Gundam to know what the hell is going on...Good work Iames......Damn you!

[nothingclever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE1zgtm0GsA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUyqenD7kU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lFQ6wPjnZo

Half of Gundam is people smacking/punching each other for one reason or another. Eventually I'll make a compilation video with all of it for lulz.

Unfortunately the music is lacking in the first few series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8zUqP8yu4

Here's Gundam seed summarized so you don't need to see it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLc1pkOz4jA

[UltraDude]

I'm downloading Turn A right now.

Granted, some people think that Turn A could theoretically take place X years after (or even before) any number of Gundam franchises soooooo...

[DomaDoma]

Was wondering what would happen now we've run out of Nanoha titles.

[Dispozition]

We really should have called it 'General Anime Discussion: The Movie', then called the next one 'General Anime Discussion: The Movie: The Game' (you lost it) :D

[Lord Iames Osari]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/anti_mind_virus.png

Fortunately, I have been vaccinated.

[Nerd-o-rama]

You should have used the actual ∀ symbol. Just to be even more confusing.

[Neon Knight]

The primary goal of the general anime discussion thread title is alienation and confusion. Just like the ending of Eva.

NO! BAD KASRKIN! BAD!

[Lord Iames Osari]

You should have used the actual ∀ symbol. Just to be even more confusing.

Done. :smallbiggrin:

[Dispozition]

Oh god, now nothing makes sense D:

[Cubey]

Oh god, now nothing makes sense D:

Just as keikaku (Keikaku means plan).

[The Evil Thing]

∀ General Anime Discussion ∃ Posters | General Anime Discussion : [Posters] → [Utter Nonsense]

[Tengu_temp]

Woo, logic!

[Poison_Fish]

Just as keikaku (Keikaku means plan).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/Flib/Shirou.jpg: I don't understand, why don't you just say plan?

[Tengu_temp]

It's a line from a very bad and weeabooish Death Note fansub. Complete with the explanation.

[Closet_Skeleton]

SPAM!

Yeah... I wanted to be on the first page of this thread but have nothing to say.

Yes, I know that isn't very differant from usual.

edit: This thread can have a Pope card then (I'm not going to bother with any of this "___ seal of approval" nonsense you see)

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb193/Closet_Skeleton/popecardsmall.jpg

[kamikasei]

You could have at least said that Turn A Gundam is either a) overrated or b) disliked for no reason by people who haven't seen it. You're not even trying, man.

[Poison_Fish]

It's a line from a very bad and weeabooish Death Note fansub. Complete with the explanation.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/Flib/Shirou.jpg: But why would you watch bad subs? And why explain, that's just silly.

[Tengu_temp]

The crossdressing male character in Turn A Gundam is voiced by Romi Paku. That's amusing.


But why would you watch bad subs? And why explain, that's just silly.

Apparently that sub was so bad it's memetic. I don't think if Cubey has seen it, though. I don't think if Cubey has even seen Death Note.
Note that the explanation is also a part of the sub.

[Closet_Skeleton]

You could have at least said that Turn A Gundam is either a) overrated or b) disliked for no reason by people who haven't seen it. You're not even trying, man.

I watched the first two episodes and my parents couldn't be bothered with it.


But why would you watch bad subs? And why explain, that's just silly.

1. mistake

2. limited options

3. humor

4. masochism

That took 30 seconds to think of.

[Innis Cabal]

I'm downloading Turn A right now.

Granted, some people think that Turn A could theoretically take place X years after (or even before) any number of Gundam franchises soooooo...

The creator has stated it is meant to tie in all Gundam's into a singular storyline with it being the end. Hence why they used the turn A

[Raiser Blade]

I'm starting up on death note. Seems good so far. :smallbiggrin:
Yes I realize that everyone and their grandma has seen deathnote but I managed to put it off until now so nyaah.

[Lord Iames Osari]

I haven't seen Deathnote either.

[hanzo66]

The crossdressing male character in Turn A Gundam is voiced by Romi Paku. That's amusing.

Just as Rie Kugimiya specializes in tsunderes, Traps and/or really androgynous prettyboys are Romi Paku's specialty. Hell, with Persona 4 she even managed to do a Reverse Trap.

Apparently that sub was so bad it's memetic. I don't think if Cubey has seen it, though. I don't think if Cubey has even seen Death Note.
Note that the explanation is also a part of the sub.

So it's like a case of "DO NOT WANT!!!!!" I'm taking it?

[nothingclever]

I watched the first two episodes and my parents couldn't be bothered with it.


Have you watched even a little of any other Gundam series?

[Tengu_temp]

So it's like a case of "DO NOT WANT!!!!!" I'm taking it?

Something like that.

And I know Romi Paku mostly as Ed Elric and Toshiro Hitsugaya. Neither really qualifies as really androgynous.



edit: This thread can have a Pope card then (I'm not going to bother with any of this "___ seal of approval" nonsense you see)


Hey, that's my nonsense! You're just jealous because you don't have any - getting your own seal of approval requires my approval, you see.

[Poison_Fish]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/Flib/Shirou.jpg: I think I lost all of you.

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: Yes, we lost them. Us Newtypes are capable of communicating in ways Oldtypes will never understand. Their souls are constantly being pulled down by the gravity of Earth. It's unfortunate but maybe some day they'll be able to escape their dependency on Earth and join us among the stars.

[The Evil Thing]

Woo, logic!
The question is then "Is GAD a bijection, injection, surjection or none of these?"

[nothingclever]

The question is then "Is GAD a bijection, injection, surjection or none of these?"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: I'm not sure how to answer your question Earthian but I assure you, whatever it is, it is definitely not an anime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxb5esmDMXY

[Tengu_temp]

An anime where math is Serious Business would rock.

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: I agree since I am a genius engineer and as a Newtype I have greatly advanced mental abilities. Surely I would be a more than adequate protagonist and main character for such a show since my math skills are top notch.

[Nerd-o-rama]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/al0013/Lets%20Play%20SRWJ/portraits/kira.png Oh great, it's turned into an /m/ roleplay thread. Yes, for some reason, there are always Fate/Stay Night characters in those. Well, if that's the case, an /m/ RP thread on Christmas wouldn't be complete without me!

And we were discussing Romi Pakku and her lovely transvestite voices...she also voices Tieria Erde's more-masculine-clothed "twin" in Gundam 00, taking trappishness to a new level.

[KnightDisciple]

...wait, so we're using head pictures now? Dang it. I need to find myself one...But of who? Who?!?! :smalleek:

[Nerd-o-rama]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/al0013/Lets%20Play%20SRWJ/portraits/calvina.png I have far too many of these tiny ones from Super Robot Wars J on my photobucket (http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/al0013/Lets%20Play%20SRWJ/portraits/), and I'm not even a fifth of the way through the game yet.

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: All you other mech pilots suck. I'm the greatest pilot ever. Unlike Kamille I didn't go comatose for almost an entire series. I was busy doing things that couldn't even be explained behind the scenes because they were so infinitely awesome. Clearly I am the ultimate dynasty warrior. Just try to look me in the eyes and say I'm not. I dare you. I bet 26 gold bars you can't because even in the future gold bars are the greatest form of currency for bribery and secret mission funds.

[Artemician]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l271/artemician/120952103820copy.png: You, sir, are a coward and a knave.

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: Would a coward and a knave be able to shoot down 14 Rick Doms at the battle of Solomon and earn the acknowledgment of his foes with the title white devil? I think not.

[Nerd-o-rama]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: Would a coward and a knave be able to shoot down 14 Rick Doms at the battle of Solomon and earn the acknowledgment of his foes with the title white devil? I think not.http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/al0013/Lets%20Play%20SRWJ/portraits/kira.png Stop that. If we had a real fight there's no way you could beat me.

[Tengu_temp]

http://www.instantz.net/uploads/gauron.jpg: What's this? More teenage mecha anime protagonists? That's great, that's just wonderful! It makes me feel so excited, MAI HONI!

[Nerd-o-rama]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Gundam_00_-_Ali_Al-Saachez.png/250px-Gundam_00_-_Ali_Al-Saachez.png Hey, back off, they're mine.

[Tengu_temp]

http://www.instantz.net/uploads/gauron.jpg: My own clone! Now neither of us will be virgins!

Post sponsored by Nerdo.

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: You guys better watch yourselves. If you try to mess with me I'll totally emasculate you the same way I did Char. After I beat him he felt so pathetic he had to use a silly alias and change the colour of his mech because he was so overwhelmed with shame.

It must suck losing a million times to the same person but then again what's wrong with losing to the best mech fighter in the entire universe?

[Tengu_temp]

You haven't seen FMP if you think that losing, or even losing badly, is going to stop Gauron from messing with people teenage mecha pilots. It only encourages him!

[Nerd-o-rama]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: You guys better watch yourselves. If you try to mess with me I'll totally emasculate you the same way I did Char. After I beat him he felt so pathetic he had to use a silly alias and change the colour of his mech because he was so overwhelmed with shame.

It must suck losing a million times to the same person but then again what's wrong with losing to the best mech fighter in the entire universe?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/al0013/Lets%20Play%20SRWJ/portraits/kira.png Go back to dead, Amuro.

[nothingclever]

You haven't seen FMP if you think that losing, or even losing badly, is going to stop Gauron from messing with people teenage mecha pilots. It only encourages him!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: I've seen that entire show and Fumoffu you silly Earthian. It was an okay mech show but it was really lacking something, me. Anyways your mechs are of such a low tech level that my Haro is more complex. They probably can't even take a single smack from Bright and I've taken trillions. Come talk to me when you can actually enter space.

[Piedmon_Sama]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/shirobi/Vegeta_Trunks.jpg

Such insolence! The sound of unabashed bragging from a lowly human drew me to this thread. Indeed, it seems someone is in need of a reminder, as to whom is bred of superior stock! You may cloak your fragile human body in a colossus of gundanium, "Amuro Ray," but your vicarious triumphs are nothing compared to the rush felt by a true Saiyan, wading into battle with nothing but his fists! This entire human method of waging battle with machines disgusts me! On Vegeta-sei, we did war properly, with fists and fangs and tails and the occasional megaton of raw ki. Why don't you return to the womb of your hulking metal mistress, boy, and--

One second.

Dammit, woman, won't you take this child!? The Prince of Saiyans can hardly attend to his welp now, someone is wrong on the internet!

[nothingclever]

Go back to dead, Amuro.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: It's too bad for you that us Newtypes never actually die. We get to sit back and chill in some super cool intangible energy state of consciousness and watch you losers fail to live up to the impossible standards of greatness we've created for you. If I wasn't so underwhelmed by your skills I'd pilot a Gundam with the power of my mind to fight you but sadly you'll never really be worth my time.

[Tengu_temp]

What character am I supposed to emulate to scare you? Leeron? I'm not sure the forums would survive that.

[nothingclever]

Such insolence! The sound of unabashed bragging from a lowly human drew me to this thread. Indeed, it seems someone is in need of a reminder, as to whom is bred of superior stock! You may cloak your fragile human body in a colossus of gundanium, "Amuro Ray," but your vicarious triumphs are nothing compared to the rush felt by a true Saiyan, wading into battle with nothing but his fists! This entire human method of waging battle with machines disgusts me! On Vegeta-sei, we did war properly, with fists and fangs and tails and the occasional megaton of raw ki.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: Us Newtypes are so awesome we can't be bothered to get dirty fighting hand to hand so we fight in the comfort of giant mechs. I agree with you that the old humanity is extremely primitive. Good thing we've evolved. There's a reason we're called Newtypes man. Besides I also fought in a mech so that I could beat all the loser mech pilots at their own game making my countless victories over them even more humiliating.



Why don't you return to the womb of your hulking metal mistress, boy, and--

One second.

Dammit, woman, won't you take this child!? The Prince of Saiyans can hardly attend to his welp now, someone is wrong on the internet!
Guess who's been keeping your wife busy telepathically from beyond the grave. Awww yeah.


What character am I supposed to emulate to scare you? Leeron? I'm not sure the forums would survive that.
Nothing can possibly scare me but we need Lalah Sune and Char.

[hanzo66]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z305/hanzo661/macho_man.jpg
Hey, shut up in there!

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: What's that? Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I gotta admit, he's RPing non-depressed Amuro almost perfectly.

[Terraoblivion]

So Amuro alternates between emo and arrogant jerkass?

[Tengu_temp]

I dunno. I'm very early in the series, around episode 10, but the only signs of jerkassery Amuro shown so far is mysoginism ("I don't like when women give me orders").

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: Nah, I just alternate between awesome and even more awesome.

What can I say? I'm just too cool for school. I literally didn't need it to become an engineering genius and create a highly advanced artificial intelligence that's sheer cuteness is so great it is only rivaled by its own capacity for annoyance.

I'm also too cool to hookup with my own childhood friend and instead hang with stereotypical hot blonds. Did I mention the chick I hook up with is my rival's younger sister? Awww yeah.

Like seriously, what can't I do? I was raised by a crazy military scientist father that was always obsessed with his work and a mother that ditched us when he left to continue his work because she didn't like space and didn't have the guts to divorce him either. Despite this I'm the most charismatic and absolutely charming guy you could meet. My sad upbringing hasn't had a single negative impact on my emotional development. People just don't understand me. How could they? I'm a Newtype and they're all Oldtypes. The difference is like night and day. Talking to them is like trying to describe colours to blind people. I can actually do that easily too by sending my thoughts to them as mental images but you know what I mean.


I gotta admit, he's RPing non-depressed Amuro almost perfectly.
Thanks bra, imitating myself shouldn't be too hard after all.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I dunno. I'm very early in the series, around episode 10, but the only signs of jerkassery Amuro shown so far is mysoginism ("I don't like when women give me orders").He develops kind of an attitude about being the only decent pilot on the ship, which is why he thinks he can get away with sassing Bright. Bright disabuses him of this notion.

Amuro: "Just you wait, Bright! In thirty years, I'll be the green-haired dude pimpslapping bitches!"

After that, he still thinks he's the hottest **** in the universe, but he's more subdued and responsible about it, since he kinda is, especially in Char's Counterattack (or so I'm told on that one.)

[nothingclever]

After that, he still thinks he's the hottest **** in the universe, but he's more subdued and responsible about it, since he kinda is, especially in Char's Counterattack (or so I'm told on that one.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: Yeah after a while it became pretty redundant explaining to people how great I am when my face was already put in the dictionary as the first definition for awesome.

Of course I think I'm the best pilot ever. If I wasn't how would I have won the One Year War singlehandedly?

[Nerd-o-rama]

Oh, now come on. After GM production got underway, the Gundam and White Base were a glorified decoy - as much is stated outright in the movies. A highly successful decoy, drawing Zeon's aces and production resources away from useful things like the Gelgoog project or even just spamming Zaku production, but ultimately the One Year War was won by the Federation's overwhelming manufacturing and manpower superiority and zerg-rushing the Zekes with GMs.

Now, Amuro's habit of fragging Zeon's ace pilots certainly didn't hurt, either, but his main victory was in keeping those guys' attention away from GM production plants and space-launch facilities as much as in defeating them.

[Piedmon_Sama]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n92/shirobi/Vegeta_Trunks.jpg

Bah, if the iron memory of the Prince of All Saiyans serves (and it shall!), the Ray boy was chiefly concerned with running away and having a pout because that bizarrely doting Frau Bow didn't bring him tea in bed. Meanwhile the good characters like Ramba Ral and Slegger Law died in all too short order!

Nevertheless, we were not amused when Toonami pulled the original Gundam off the air.... all because the snot-caked brats of America couldn't look past admittedly dated animation! We, for one, never felt trifles like animation should get in the way of a good story. But nooo, says Joe Q. Elementary Demographic, grasstains fresh on his overpiced child's levis, why would we want drama and intelligence in our science-fiction fantasy? GIVE US ZOANOIDS, they cried.

That was a dark day indeed, for children's afternoon programming.

[Innis Cabal]

After that, he still thinks he's the hottest **** in the universe, but he's more subdued and responsible about it, since he kinda is, especially in Char's Counterattack (or so I'm told on that one.)

Kamille Bidan also sorta was a big shovel load of dirt on his ego trips grave. All of Z was honestly. Damn those New Type Coma's and all that though. Though the creator did have a moment of "MY BAD!" when he remembered that half the people that watched Z killed themselves in silent fury as they finally understood their lives were meaningless and by extension everyone elses to and remade the series.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Have you watched even a little of any other Gundam series?

Not really.

I've watched episode 1 of 79 and 00, 2 episodes of Turn A, bits of 8th mobile suit team, G, Zeta and Double Zeta and all of Wing and SEED.

[nothingclever]

Oh, now come on. After GM production got underway, the Gundam and White Base were a glorified decoy - as much is stated outright in the movies. A highly successful decoy, drawing Zeon's aces and production resources away from useful things like the Gelgoog project or even just spamming Zaku production, but ultimately the One Year War was won by the Federation's overwhelming manufacturing and manpower superiority and zerg-rushing the Zekes with GMs.

Now, Amuro's habit of fragging Zeon's ace pilots certainly didn't hurt, either, but his main victory was in keeping those guys' attention away from GM production plants and space-launch facilities as much as in defeating them.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: Well bra, the way I see it, I was sent on all of the most dangerous missions to battle locations critical to deciding the winning side and distracted enemy troops by plunging straight into their fleets and destroying all their forces. As a decoy I drew way more enemy fire and killed way more pilots than anyone else meaning I did the most work. Without me the Federation would've lost terribly. There's no way the Federation would've been able to both deploy and recover from solar energy attacks without my help. Ultimately the only reason I didn't literally do everything is because that wouldn't be a very interesting story and the Oldtypes hadn't done anything special for me lately at the time.



Bah, if the iron memory of the Prince of All Saiyans serves (and it shall!), the Ray boy was chiefly concerned with running away and having a pout because that bizarrely doting Frau Bow didn't bring him tea in bed. Meanwhile the good characters like Ramba Ral and Slegger Law died in all too short order!

I only ran away because I knew I could win the entire war with only my Gundam but then the rest of the cast came begging for my help. That's yet another reason I didn't do everything by myself. Those White Base people wanted to feel important and get some credit too so I decided to act like the infinitely compassionate super being that I am and go along with their lousy plans. After Frau chased after me and promised to serve me tea properly I forgave them for their past transgressions and chalked them up to Oldtype human frailty.


Not really.

I've watched episode 1 of 79 and 00, 2 episodes of Turn A, bits of 8th mobile suit team, G, Zeta and Double Zeta and all of Wing and SEED.
That's truly a tragic story. If you've never watched beyond episode 1 of Gundam 0079 you've never had a real role model in life. Who taught you right from wrong? Your parents? Ugh, all my parents ever did was stifle my development. I'm my own role model. The only person I admire is myself since I'm the only that can beat me. Each day I wake up, look in the mirror and lose track of time gazing endlessly into my own eyes I defeat myself. Sometimes I have nightmares when I remember seeing my own reflection because if another me really existed to look at the universe would be overloaded with awesome causing it to be obliterated. Then I'd have to bend time and space with my mind to reconstruct it which is a real drag.



After that, he still thinks he's the hottest **** in the universe
I'm hot **** in a champagne glass while Bright and my predecessors are cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup.

[Nerd-o-rama]

The only person I admire is myself since I'm the only that can beat me.http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3054/2849706012_e8dc82110f.jpg?v=0

[nothingclever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/100px-AmuroRayUC0087.jpg: At least all this never happened to me in the same scene in under a minute:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3564/brightloserwt2.th.png (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brightloserwt2.png)
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6973/brightloser2pc7.th.png (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brightloser2pc7.png)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3696/brightloser3gi2.th.png (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brightloser3gi2.png)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7601/brightloser4bo8.th.png (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brightloser4bo8.png)

[Nerd-o-rama]

So I decided to start on watching Code Geass finally.

Pertinent to our discussion, it seems to be what happens when Amuro (or possibly Kira Yamato) works for the puppy-kicking evil empire. And a clever bastard hijacks La supremely ineffectual Resistance. Am I right so far?

EDIT: can anyone give me a list of the high school ecchi episodes I can skip on this show? I'm only watching for the mecha and the ridiculous conspiracies. Watching lesbian student council presidents and Lelouch outsmart his own muscle is only so entertaining.

[hanzo66]

Goes off like that, yes. The Black Knights first season are pretty lame without Zero telling them what to do. The mysterious green-haired girl's there to eat pizza and make pithy comments and most Britannian military officers are all a bunch of racist jerks.

Oh, and one thing to really get a kick out of the show: Imagining Emperor Chuck as a drunken old southerner mad with syphilis speaking Foghorn Leghorn.

[Nerd-o-rama]

You mean like a real British monarch?

Well, watched through episode 4. Give a man a cape and a mask and he acts like he's perpetually performing Broadway.

Incidentally, the dub on this is fairly accurate to the original, right? The subs I found were meh, and frankly, I'm going into this with high enough expectations of camp that a Bandai USA dub can only make it better.

[nothingclever]

You're seriously missing out if you're watching a dubbed version. You won't get to see all the lovely Pizza Hut advertisements on top of C.C. eating pizza. I just read on wikipedia they were taken out in the international releases.

The only thing that redeems this show for me is the inclusion of several cute lolis that just need a hug.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/cute.jpg
Oh and Hitomi Kuroishi has some good songs in it.

Just to make sure your mind isn't totally blown by the ending, this is what happens:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/lulusuzaku.jpg

[Nerd-o-rama]

Oh, well if stuff was cut from the dub, I'll watch subs. That's why I was asking. Even if it was useless product placement, that's a good chunk of humor value there.

[The Evil Thing]

An anime where math is Serious Business would rock.
Damn it's late but I was looking all over for this bloody picture.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q145/ILPPendant/260.jpg

This is why such a dream will remain nothing but a dream.

[Tengu_temp]

I'm lost for words and don't even know how to respond to this, so have a Gundam running away in panic from an axe-wielding madman instead:

http://ffrpg.republika.pl/halp.PNG

[nothingclever]

I'm lost for words and don't even know how to respond to this, so have some Yaranaika instead:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/yaranaika1.jpg

[hanzo66]

You mean like a real British monarch?
Yeah, basically like a redneck Brian Blessed, like his role in Blackadder.


Made everything much more amusing for me.

And no surprise, there's massive Ho Yay in the show, considering the CLAMP Noodle-designs that goils get such a kick out of.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Yeah. I don't care if the male leads of a TV show want to gaze lovingly at each other, but the character designs really kinda scare me. Legs should not be twice as long as torsos.

[nothingclever]

but the character designs really kinda scare me. Legs should not be twice as long as torsos.
Oh don't worry torsos can be pretty long too. Apparently muscles are for losers in Code Geass as well. The animators have to learn some anatomy.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/elevens.jpg

[Piedmon_Sama]

So I decided to start on watching Code Geass finally.


Long has The Prince of All Saiyans held his tongue on this subject, knowing the program "Code Geass" has something of a following on this board. Regardless, we feel it is high time someone gave this show the withering it deserves, precisely because one of you humans already raised this point:


Apparently muscles are for losers in Code Geass as well. The animators have to learn some anatomy.

The artwork in this program is utterly appauling! The characters look like bug-eyed walking sticks, those eyes swimming fish-like towards the corners of misshappen heads. I don't necissarily dismiss artwork for being stylized (the One Piece manga sports some excellent examples of doing this right), but Code Geass's human characters look incredibly ugly!

Second, anyone with even a passing interest in your tepid human histories would know this tale is absurd! You may wonder why this bothers us, as rarely does realistic geopolitics make or break a cartoon pgrogram. Still, it gnaws at the True Prince like a canker, or knot in my tail! The Britons would never have beat Julius Caesar, one of your very few humans who might have found a place on Vegeta-sei. No, really, the unspeakable silliness simply undermines any drama that takes place--it's like trying to do Tolstoy's War and Peace but switching the cavalry with dinosaurs. Or putting Kakkarot in a production of Hamlet. You just can't take it seriously.

Unfortunately, we can't lambaste the program in much more detail since every time it comes on, we have to change it after about five minutes. The art is truly that ugly. The characters, gah! Aside from looking like they all share a common ancestry by way of Innsmouth, every one that's not a main character seems to be some cookie cutter stereotype ("I'm a repressed Eleven, oh woah" "I'm a nasty mobster, mwahaha" you get it) or a blasted child. Have I emphasized that any show which stars children is already on my nerves? I know children. I even had one, you see him here. They are like dumber and less capable versions of adults, they certainly shouldn't be leading wars and changing the destiny of nations--in secret or otherwise! This applies strictly to human adolescents, mind, on Vegeta-sei you were a man after killing your first anything, and anyone from at least a reputable family could manage that by 13. This was actually true in certain periods of your Middle Ages and is still in certain parts of Africa, but still.

[Wraithy]

Yes, CLAMP does have a penchant for men who resemble Jack Skellington.

[nothingclever]

All the major muscles in the bodies of Code Geass characters are in their faces. Arms, legs and torso are only included so that faces can be propped upwards and easily seen.

Contorting like this takes a lot of effort so that's why Code Geass characters have such a huge difference in physiology compared to regular people.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1036/codegeass14jq1.th.png (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codegeass14jq1.png)

[Tengu_temp]

Yes, CLAMP does have a penchant for men who resemble Jack Skellington.

After consulting a mirror, I'd just call anatomy in Code Geass realistic.

[nothingclever]

After consulting a mirror, I'd just call anatomy in Code Geass realistic.
Do you look like this by any chance?
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6495/modeldb8.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=modeldb8.jpg)

[Tengu_temp]

Nevermind, I forgot that the guys on the motivational poster several posts above are buff by CG standards.

[nothingclever]

The more I read of BioMeat the better it gets:
http://www.onemanga.com/BioMeat_-_Nectar/79/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/BioMeat_-_Nectar/79/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/BioMeat_-_Nectar/79/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/BioMeat_-_Nectar/79/20/
http://www.onemanga.com/BioMeat_-_Nectar/87/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/BioMeat_-_Nectar/87/12/

[UltraDude]

Ah, Code Geass. Trying to appeal to as many fanbases as is humanly possible, and ends up such a beautiful train wreck. I can't help but be entertained by it.

Anyways, after eight episodes of Turn A Gundam, I can safely say that I really, really like it. Blame Sunrise execs for the crossdressing, by the way. They wouldn't let Tomino do a female main character in a Gundam series, so he made Loran a trap to spite them.

[Tengu_temp]

Anyways, after eight episodes of Turn A Gundam, I can safely say that I really, really like it. Blame Sunrise execs for the crossdressing, by the way. They wouldn't let Tomino do a female main character in a Gundam series, so he made Loran a trap to spite them.

Not the first time Tomino pulled off something like that (and probably not the last one either) - with the original Gundam, he wanted to make a war story, but the executives told him to make a mecha show. So he made a mecha war story.

[nothingclever]

You should all read the infinite lulz that is Riki-Oh. It should be made into an anime.

http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/31/28/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/31/31/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/31/32/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/31/34/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/32/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/32/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/32/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/32/25/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/33/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/33/25/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/33/26/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/37/05/

It just gets better and better.
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/40/18/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/40/19/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/40/26/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/38/06/

I love the way this manga even educates me with neat stuff like the word cyanosis.
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/38/05/

The feats of strength never get old for me either.
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/40/27/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/40/28-29/

And there's no shortage of evilness in villains.
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/37/26/

[Fri]

I think I saw the hillarious so bad it's awesome cheap hongkong live action version of riki oh a couple of times. It's an over the top series, that's for sure.

[Tengu_temp]

Fist of the North Star meets Happy Tree Friends!

[Artemician]

The director of Terra E needs to get a good kick in the pants. Hard.

[Tengu_temp]

Explain why, in a way that someone who's never heard of the series before would understand and preferably in a spoiler?

[Artemician]

It's not spoiler material, anyway, just a generalized rant.

I suppose that my beef really isn't with the director, but rather with the scriptwriters, the voice actors, and the animators. But since the director chose these people, I hold him responsible. I hold him responsible for making such a conceptually fascinating sci-fi that could be so fantastic into a mediocre dreck.

It's not bad, but god the wasted potential! Characters that could be interesting become cliched husks, the far-out sci-fi setting becomes a done-to-death series of stock settings reused and rehashed, and an interesting method of telling a epic that spans decades becomes just a silly mood-breaker.

I know it is neither productive nor interesting, but I need some way to relieve my feelings.

T.T

[nothingclever]

I bet you wish you could do this to the director right now:
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/41/25/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/41/26/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/41/28/

[turkishproverb]

So named for the fourth non-UC timeline Gundam series.

<.<

>.>

I got nothin' else. Discuss away.

I love you for naming this thread.
...

...


That is all.

[hanzo66]

I think I saw the hillarious so bad it's awesome cheap hongkong live action version of riki oh a couple of times. It's an over the top series, that's for sure.

"Alright, ya got a lotta guts!"

A line from the hilarious dub that just broke me.

[nothingclever]

"Alright, ya got a lotta guts!"

A line from the hilarious dub that just broke me.
That reminds me of one part where a guy loses to Riki-Oh and ritually disembowels himself so he could supposedly have an honourable death but since he knew he'd die anyway he actually did it so he could strangle him with his intestines.

Lol, this cracks me up:
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/49/27/
They create an evil clone of Riki-Oh that Riki-Oh can only beat by becoming even more evil and the crazy scientist is practically just begging the question "What could go wrong?"

[hanzo66]

Yeah, that line accompanied that Disemboweling, where it's said by some guard with a claw.

[Kato]

Anyways, after eight episodes of Turn A Gundam, I can safely say that I really, really like it.

You do? I finished it recently and I wasn't really that excited over it... anyway, just finish it and then tell me what I missed, please. I'd hate to not appreciate a Gundam series just because I didn't pay enough attention.


btw I'm gone for christmas and once I'm back the old thread's gone and we have a Turn A (can't find the symbol) thread which is already four pages long. Pretty busy pals, hu?

[nothingclever]

I know we already have a Gundam 00 thread but I figure I'd say this here anyway since it still pertains to the topic of this one. The last episode of Gundam 00 was awesome for me. It had everything I wanted.

Despite the last episode having a terrible ending this one had zero Saji/Louise drama besides Saji asking if Louise was a pilot and getting a one second answer.

The bizarro purple Haro made an appearance while Nena was piloting some random mech and actually helping Celestial Being even though she sounded like she was trying to trick them or was on Ribbons' side. This Haro appearance is making me further hope there will be another epic meeting of both Haros and then a shocking tearful reunion when the purple one realizes he is based off the other and they aren't enemies. Hopefully Nena will join Celestial Being because she at least apparently still has a thing for Setsuna since she chopped off an arm from an innovator's mech so he could safely escape and the info she gave them wasn't fake as I thought it would be. I want the series to end with those two Haros making peace rather than some generic flashy battle and more moral ambiguity since it would be the ultimate anti-climatic ending.

The battle animation was great again in this episode and I'm glad destroying Momento Mori wasn't made into a five million year event and instead stayed contained in one episode.

I hope the next episode isn't going back to Saji/Louise drama where they delete each other's photos some more and cry. I'd like to see Ribbons start raging since he's such a terrible villain.

The way the gray haired strategist/commander wasn't immediately killed in the first big hit on his ship was nice because it kind of added some realism for me since huge ships getting killed in one blast is pretty ridiculous which was what often happens when they have a single evildoer in them.

[Artemician]

You know, nothingclever, when you posted that suggestion earlier about doing evil things to the director, I was kinda hesitant, because I'm a pretty moral person.

However, recent events have made me change my mind.

T.T

[nothingclever]

That's great. Here's another one:
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/41/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Riki-Oh/41/09/

Now I feel special because I think I might actually try registering on Wikipedia so I can correct the first certain error I have spotted in an article. Yazan Gable is listed as having his final appearance in Episode 7 of Gundam ZZ but I just started episode 8 and he makes an appearance.

I dislike how every character from the previous Gundam Zeta cast is made to be humorous or weaker than before in the beginning but Mashymre is pretty lulzy.

[Kato]

Now I feel special because I think I might actually try registering on Wikipedia so I can correct the first certain error I have spotted in an article. Yazan Gable is listed as having his final appearance in Episode 7 of Gundam ZZ but I just started episode 8 and he makes an appearance.

I dislike how every character from the previous Gundam Zeta cast is made to be humorous or weaker than before in the beginning but Mashymre is pretty lulzy.

Edited for your convenience (no need to register btw) What a blatant error, as he even appears in the 9th episode backflash.

Mashymre? I'd prefer Mashima (damn you wikipedia), but yeah, he's pretty awesome. 'I'll fly without the lock so there is a fresh breeze.' Also, there are all the slapstick moments or his obsession with Haman. Good times, good times... Poor end, anyway.

[hanzo66]

Never realized this until yesterday, but apparently the dub of Gundam 00 is airing on Sci Fi channel...

[Nerd-o-rama]

Yep. It's not that bad, although Sci-Fi's runtime edits are still a bitch. There's only so much character development this show even has. Must you cut out all two minutes of it per episode to advertise WWE wrestling?

[nothingclever]

Wow that is really scummy. Having to sit through dubs is bad enough to begin with. The only time dubs usually help are when they are so bad that they're good and the show you're watching is pretty cheesy to begin with like Naruto or something because then you can make fun of how serious/not serious characters sound while using terminology that doesn't sound anywhere near as cool in English.



Mashymre? I'd prefer Mashima (damn you wikipedia), but yeah, he's pretty awesome.
I'm just using the spelling from the subs I'm watching. I think it's closer to the actual sound of his name but it's still awkwardly spelt.

I like how his men draw a rose in the sky by flying around with red smoke and one of them even wears lipstick to further show how beauty/chivalry obsessed they are.

[Kato]

I'm just using the spelling from the subs I'm watching. I think it's closer to the actual sound of his name but it's still awkwardly spelt.

I like how his men draw a rose in the sky by flying around with red smoke and one of them even wears lipstick to further show how beauty/chivalry obsessed they are.

Dunno, mine were using Mashima Sero which is probably what it's suppossed to be in Japanese I think, and it'd also be pronounced just like Mashymre Cerro in Japanese I think.

Yeah, or not attacking from behind because it's unchivalrous, hehe (At least for a while, until they run out of chivalrous tactics and start blasting big holes in the colony.)

[Piedmon_Sama]

Dubs are fantastic because I like to multitask when I'm watching something on TV. If I'm drawing, writing, washing dishes or whatever at the same time, I'd prefer not to have to keep my eyes focused on the screen.

Besides, it's not like most animes are so great that you're really losing something in the translation....

[Innis Cabal]

Except the pain of crappy american voice actors. Thats enough for me to not watch an anime in the states.

I'm looking at you Orphan

[hanzo66]

Wow that is really scummy. Having to sit through dubs is bad enough to begin with. The only time dubs usually help are when they are so bad that they're good and the show you're watching is pretty cheesy to begin with like Naruto or something because then you can make fun of how serious/not serious characters sound while using terminology that doesn't sound anywhere near as cool in English.
T'was hardly a Bad Dub from what I remembered, but I only saw the last few minutes and the pilots' voices were mostly obscured by their helmets.

That and you seem to have the belief that Dubs are always pure bad, something that I can tell you (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing) is far from truth.

[nothingclever]

Dubs are fantastic because I like to multitask when I'm watching something on TV. If I'm drawing, writing, washing dishes or whatever at the same time, I'd prefer not to have to keep my eyes focused on the screen.

Besides, it's not like most animes are so great that you're really losing something in the translation....
There's plenty that you often lose in translation. Sentences that you might have thought sounded strange often are incorrect translations. The way people talk to each other is often annoying when you compare the original and the dub. Plenty of times relations/actions/whatever are given an entirely different meaning. An acquaintance/fellow soldier/etc is suddenly referred to as a friend. Some guy isn't just damaging something he suddenly is destroying and it's implied he does it alone. Subs that explain Japanese terms help an awful lot. Sometimes you have names for things that have no simple equivalent in English and something is given a very simplified name that loses its original meaning because dubs have no room for explanation. Dubs often cut out things from the original version as well. Plus literal translations often suck when people say them in English. Things that sound stupid in English can sound fine when watching a sub because you only read what the lines mean and if you don't understand Japanese you are detached from the awkwardness of what characters are saying.

I just dislike the vast majority of dubs especially when the same annoying voice actors often get used over and over again despite sucking because once one guy does one anime dub people decide to let him to every other one in the future. Bad actors get a monopoly on parts and ruin things with terrible expressions. Plenty of times characters are given really artificial sounding voices even though they originally sounded like any other normal person only obviously more expressive/dramatic. I don't know whether the voices are altered using some program but that is really annoying.

[kamikasei]

My main problem with dubs is that English voices syncing up to Japanese animation tend to sound rushed. A mismatch between the rhythms of the language, if not simply that Japanese is generally pithier. I prefer to hear the Japanese delivery with pacing and intonation intact, and read what it means in the subs.

This is assuming the dubs are good in the first place, of course. Bad dubs have oh so many ways of annoying me before the above become relevant.

[Dispozition]

The majority of dubs are just horrible...I draw attention to Evangelion...It's just...ungh.

The worst part about them is the accents. American accents in anime very rarely go well. Negima and Lucky Star are killers for this one. The Negima girls, about 10 VAs voice the 29 or whatever girls and only 2 of them have decent voices.

Good dubs, however, aren't as rare as you'd think. Cowboy Bebop has an amazing dub, almost better than the original in my opinion, Samurai Champloo's dub is better than the original, Ghost in the Shell is amazing either way, but some of the meaning is lost in the dub unfortunately.

[hanzo66]

Well, I tend to think that the use of limited actors is due to the fact that there's not that much they can use.

Certain times, such translations are forced to use rough equivalents rather than things that mean the exact same since languages may lack certain words for things. For example, a mission to save a Nakama could be a mission to save a friend/comrade which could work. Just because it's not using the exact words doesn't mean it's necessarily "Ruined Forever!"

That and the Dub Actors I've seen can be pretty good. Everyone will say that Cowboy Bebop has a most-excellent Dub and personally from what I've heard, I like the English VA of the Persona games more than the JP (though it seems which ever you've seen first makes a big impact in your opinions).

And for kicks and giggles, here's the reverse in example with Destroy All Humans! (1)
(Japanese (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1IFR1RSti8)) (English (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaXKdzJmuEw&feature=related))

[Innis Cabal]

I can count on my hand the anime's that are better dubbed then subbed.

Cowboy Bebop and Mushi Shi.

[Rogue 7]

That and the Dub Actors I've seen can be pretty good. Everyone will say that Cowboy Bebop has a most-excellent Dub and personally from what I've heard, I like the English VA of the Persona games more than the JP (though it seems which ever you've seen first makes a big impact in your opinions).


Persona 3 has a great cast, some of the best in the business. Honestly, there's a bunch of great American voice actors floating around, and I feel that a lot of the mud that gets slung at dubs is often unfounded. I'm fairly mixed in terms of which dubs and subs I like. Fullmetal Alchemsit, Fullmetal Panic, and Code Geass are all better dubbed (though all three have good Japanese versions), while most others are better subbed.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I don't take any TV seriously, so I don't mind dubbing.

A favorite thing of my youth (two years ago) was watching Martian Successor Nadesico (dubbed) before watching Evangelion (dubbed), and laughing the whole way through the latter because Spike Spencer uses the exact same voice for the lead in each. I eventually switched to subs just because I was uncomfortable laughing out loud at all the violent crap that was happening.

This was also a problem when Spencer had an important but short role in the otherwise excellent Full Metal Panic dub. He did manage to at least come off as creepy that time, but it was still "creepy Shinji".

[Cubey]

This was also a problem when Spencer had an important but short role in the otherwise excellent Full Metal Panic dub. He did manage to at least come off as creepy that time, but it was still "creepy Shinji".

That was probably intentional on the dubbers' part though, because that kid was basically Shinji AS A TERRORIST.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I didn't mention I knew it was an Eva homage? Sorry, I meant to mention I knew it was an Eva homage. Spencer still only has the one voice.

Amusing things that come from crossovers:

In Super Robot Wars Alpha, Touji is (as he is in the anime) looking for the pilot of Eva 01 to beat him up for hurting his sister. Unfortunately, he deduces the wrong suspicious transfer student as the pilot and gets the **** beat out of him by Heero Yui.

EDIT: unrelated question that I thought of from reading the Homebrew forum: why are shinigami such a popular subject in anime? Bleach, Death Note, that crappy anime that's on Sci Fi after Gundam 00 (I think), Soul Eater...Gundam Wing...

[Tengu_temp]

For the same reason Grim Reaper is popular in western media.

And I'll add Disgaea to the good dub list - both the translation and the voices are great and very fitting. The only characters that sound undoubtedly better in original are Overlord Zenon and Axel - and not because their dub voices are bad, but because it's simply hard to compete with Norio Wakamoto and Nobuyuki Hiyama.

[nothingclever]

One thing I really enjoy about subs is the explanations for words/phrases used that you won't get in dubs. I know I already touched on this in my last post but to be more specific I like knowing exactly what position a character holds in a samurai anime for instance. I like knowing X person has a specific position with specific duties and a specific name rather than just calling the guy an adviser or royalty or whatever. I like knowing whatever the monster on the screen is specifically supposed to be rather than just "a demon." I enjoy knowing what a festival is called and why it is called that instead of having characters ask each other if they'd like to go to a totally nameless event that in reality is something that happens annually and may have significance to the plot.

Plus when dubs take out chunks of over the top violence with blood fountains I feel like I'm missing out on a lot.

[Artemician]

Just a thought;

It it a coincidence that most of the shows generally accepted to have good dubs tend to have a generally "Western" feel (FMA, Cowboy Bebop, Ghibli movies), or have some insane cultural wackiness which takes the show's context out of Japan altogether (Excel Sage, Samurai Champloo, FMP)?

[Tengu_temp]

One thing I really enjoy about subs is the explanations for words/phrases used that you won't get in dubs.

Some subs get overboard with this, though, and don't translate stuff like "itadakimasu" or "kisama".

[Nerd-o-rama]

Just as keikaku.

[The Evil Thing]

Some subs get overboard with this, though, and don't translate stuff like "itadakimasu" or "kisama".
Such things are, I'm told, referred to as "Hard of hearing" subs, because presumably the only ones who would benefit from having Japanese shovelled into English subtitles are deaf bilingual people. :smallamused:

I make it a point to track down translators that use pure, unadulterated English (if there could ever be such a thing) simply because I enjoy reading English far more than I enjoy reading Japanese, and also because I can then foist them onto other people without giving them what amounts to a lecture on advanced Japanese language and culture.

[Cubey]

Just as keikaku.

I wanted to post that. You yatsu!

[Nerd-o-rama]

Really, it is somewhat useful for certain Japanese concepts like holidays or even in some cases honorifics to be left untranslated, for context and subtext. For example, in the Haruhi Suzumiya dub where a passing mention to Golden Week is left in unaltered and unexplained (or in the fansubs, where it is unaltered and explained in supertitles - this requires pausing the video to read, but it's informative).

And in things where a lot of mileage and subtext is gotten out of honorifics, like in Persona 3, it can pay to leave them in. Seriously, I think that game used every modern honorific in every context it could find, and it was all moderately important to characterization. Contrast this to say, Super Robot Wars Original Generation and awkward translations like "Big Sis Excel", which manages to sound even dumber than "Excel-neesan".

[hanzo66]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t273/KrisS7777/Funnyanimesub.jpg
Felt like I should contribute to a side...

[Cubey]

And in things where a lot of mileage and subtext is gotten out of honorifics, like in Persona 3, it can pay to leave them in. Seriously, I think that game used every modern honorific in every context it could find, and it was all moderately important to characterization. Contrast this to say, Super Robot Wars Original Generation and awkward translations like "Big Sis Excel", which manages to sound even dumber than "Excel-neesan".

Frankly, Persona 3 is mostly played by people with such a level of Japan knowledge/fanboyism that they'd understand most terms and words untranslated. It's not intended as an insult, I'm one of them after all. But for SRW, I agree - especially since there is a difference between Excel onee-san and Excel onee-sama, and Excellen explicitly wanted Lamia to call her the latter, which created a lot of impossible to translate humor (since onee-sama carries lesbian overtones, and while Excellen is familiar with that and just wants to mess with people, Lamia is not since she's a cyborg ignorant of most normal life things).

And hanzo66, that's not a bad translation, that's just Shirou.

[hanzo66]

So he's just that stupidly obvious? Having not watched much of the show, I just assumed that Meme is a joke of poor subbing. All I know of Anime Shiro is that he's stupidly sexist in a show where he's surrounded by chicks who know a thing or two about blastin' fools.

[Cubey]

So he's just that stupidly obvious? Having not watched much of the show, I just assumed that Meme is a joke of poor subbing. All I know of Anime Shiro is that he's stupidly sexist in a show where he's surrounded by chicks who know a thing or two about blastin' fools.

It makes sense in context, but since it's Emiya Shirou then it's more fun to assume his secret identity is Captain Obvious.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I'm under the impression that "People should stay dead when they are killed" would have been a more appropriate translation.

[nothingclever]

One repost deserves another.
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1441/dielx6.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dielx6.jpg)

Shirou was always the type of character that would say something like that. Shouting out the obvious and getting flustered when things he doesn't care for happen is his trademark.

I just saw a list of new anime starting early this year on 4chan and this is one really catches me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetalia_Axis_Powers

It even has Canada so I'm hoping my country will get to do something cool.
I hope that even if the series ends up having zero action it at least turns into Lucky Star with countries as characters.

[Cubey]

I just saw a list of new anime starting early this year on 4chan and this is one really catches me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetalia_Axis_Powers

It even has Canada so I'm hoping my country will get to do something cool.
I hope that even if the series ends up having zero action it at least turns into Lucky Star with countries as characters.

From what I know, it's roughly that - Lucky Star with countries as characters. Main differences include that there's a lot of yaoi and not yuri fanbait, and you can learn some history because characters do roughly the same thing the actual countries did at the same time.

[Closet_Skeleton]

EDIT: unrelated question that I thought of from reading the Homebrew forum: why are shinigami such a popular subject in anime? Bleach, Death Note, that crappy anime that's on Sci Fi after Gundam 00 (I think), Soul Eater...Gundam Wing...

Probably because it is a word that has no mythological backing and therefore can be used for whatever the author wants to make up.

Also "the Grim Reaper" is an easy to come up with badass nickname.

[The Evil Thing]

Really, it is somewhat useful for certain Japanese concepts like holidays or even in some cases honorifics to be left untranslated, for context and subtext. For example, in the Haruhi Suzumiya dub where a passing mention to Golden Week is left in unaltered and unexplained (or in the fansubs, where it is unaltered and explained in supertitles - this requires pausing the video to read, but it's informative).

And in things where a lot of mileage and subtext is gotten out of honorifics, like in Persona 3, it can pay to leave them in. Seriously, I think that game used every modern honorific in every context it could find, and it was all moderately important to characterization. Contrast this to say, Super Robot Wars Original Generation and awkward translations like "Big Sis Excel", which manages to sound even dumber than "Excel-neesan".
Please don't tar all "proper" English translations with the brush of ineptitude or laziness on the part of the translator. If you go from one language to another it's inevitable that you will lose meaning. Just as we have no way of translating the various subtleties involved in the numerous Japanese ways of saying "I", I dare you to find a way of communicating the often minute ways in which altering the word order of an English sentence can affect its meaning- nay, it's implication.

Instead of throwing our hands in the air and announcing we give up - that we'll just fill in the gaps with the original text - we should use our brains to analyse the material and mould the language to best fit the meaning.

As an analogy, if someone asked you to reproduce the Mona Lisa using oil pastels, would you photocopy the parts you couldn't do perfectly and stick them onto the gaps or would you carefully consider how best to emulate it with the tools you have at your disposal and make a slightly less accurate but far more aesthetically pleasing recreation?


Whoever translated "Excel-neesan" as "Big Sis Excel" is an irredeemable twit.

[Terraoblivion]

Hetalia Axis Powers reminds me of the Afghanisu-tan doujin i once read. It is about a poor kid called Afghanisu-tan who keeps getting picked on by Russia-tan, Meriken and finally the Taliban. Not sure where it can be found, but it was pretty fun when i read it a couple of years ago.

And the influence of word order is hardly unique to English, Evil Thing. It is just as important in most German languages and actually much more important in Chinese, though it might be a bit too overt in that last language.

[The Evil Thing]

OK, I should perhaps have said "back into Japanese" with regards to word order (I know from learning Latin that order is important in a great many languages, not just English); however, as I see it my point still stands.

[Illiterate Scribe]

I just saw a list of new anime starting early this year on 4chan and this is one really catches me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetalia_Axis_Powers

It even has Canada so I'm hoping my country will get to do something cool.
I hope that even if the series ends up having zero action it at least turns into Lucky Star with countries as characters.

Gee, world war 2 and the interwar period as a cutesey madcap anime. Can't see that that could go badly at all ...

[Nerd-o-rama]

If I recall correctly, it's already a fairly popular manga.

And I agree with you 100%, Evil Thing. To get across the subtleties of a foreign language in your own, you have to put in a lot of effort changing it to the subtleties of your own language and linguistic idioms. The SRW OG translation teams did not do that. At all. Forget the puns, too - it's absolutely painful to see them struggle with the Daizengar/Dai-Sanger/DyGenGuar pun. What's really sad is that this is the same company that did a fantastic job with Disgaea.

I'd rather see lazy translations that lift Japanese phrases (sparingly, you kisamas) than poor ones that fail to replicate them properly.

[The Evil Thing]

If I recall correctly, it's already a fairly popular manga.

And I agree with you 100%, Evil Thing. To get across the subtleties of a foreign language in your own, you have to put in a lot of effort changing it to the subtleties of your own language and linguistic idioms. The SRW OG translation teams did not do that. At all. Forget the puns, too - it's absolutely painful to see them struggle with the Daizengar/Dai-Sanger/DyGenGuar pun. What's really sad is that this is the same company that did a fantastic job with Disgaea.

I'd rather see lazy translations that lift Japanese phrases (sparingly, you kisamas) than poor ones that fail to replicate them properly.
Leaving aside that a proper rendition of plural kisama should be kisama-ra... (:smallwink:) Someone agrees with me! It's a miracle!

I was under the impression that Hetalia started out life as a webcomic of all things. Scanlations can be found on LJ.
Chapter 1 (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/14586.html)
Chapter 2 (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/22301.html#cutid1)
Chapter 3 (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/63711.html#cutid1)
Chapter 4 (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/174084.html#cutid1)
Chapter 4.5 (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/220943.html#cutid1)
Have fun. :smallsmile:

[nothingclever]

Gee, world war 2 and the interwar period as a cutesey madcap anime. Can't see that that could go badly at all ...
Neither can I. What could possibly go wrong?

Does anyone else find the way the characters' mouths are drawn in Minami-ke annoying? I feel like punching my screen whenever I see them on 4chan and I'll keep seeing them for quite a while since the show is getting a 3rd season early this year.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/minami_ke_1_1.jpg

[Neon Knight]

Hetalia Axis Powers reminds me of the Afghanisu-tan doujin i once read. It is about a poor kid called Afghanisu-tan who keeps getting picked on by Russia-tan, Meriken and finally the Taliban. Not sure where it can be found, but it was pretty fun when i read it a couple of years ago.


Hey, I read that too. It was fun but kinda surreal. The Soviet invasion was rendered as some sort of accident or fight involving fireworks. Having seen The Beast, this was somewhat... confusing.

In other news: Mahou Sensei Negima Chapter 236 is out!


The short version: Half the cast starts searching the ruins with no real resolution. The other half goes Chibi (awwww) and watches Negi-Nagi showboat. Rakan decides to enter the tournament, thus insuring that the guy who took Negi's arm off has officially become unimportant again.

So, yeah. I'd have a proper reaction to this but I'm too busy waiting for something important to happen.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Oh wow. Italy. I should be insulted, but he's just so cute in his epic failure.

I'll wait until Ukraine or America shows up to be actively insulted.

[Attilargh]

Speaking of America, he'll be voiced by Katsuyuki Konishi in the anime.

Also speaking of America: Lithuania's Outsourcing Series, parts one (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/44038.html), two (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/55851.html), three (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/68669.html) and four (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/95663.html), plus the epilogue (http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia/137086.html).

Anyway, there's an index over here (http://nisecal.googlepages.com/), so get binging.

[Drascin]

Heh. I have to say I liked those. Are there more translated comics around the web?

He appears in the Italy's past thing, too, but I can only chuckle at the thought of what Spain would look like in the main comics, given that in the time before WWII we were broken in two sides and stabbing each other in the gut in a Civil War.

Red Spain: Your king sucks!
Blue Spain: Well, your president sucks more!

*cue image of both spains flailing at each other girlishly*

:smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Ah, many thanks, Attilargh. Binge starting in 3... 2... 1...

[Cubey]

Neither can I. What could possibly go wrong?

Does anyone else find the way the characters' mouths are drawn in Minami-ke annoying? I feel like punching my screen whenever I see them on 4chan and I'll keep seeing them for quite a while since the show is getting a 3rd season early this year.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/minami_ke_1_1.jpg

http://i-am-boss.org/images/boss.jpg
SHE IS BOSS!

[The Evil Thing]

In other news: Mahou Sensei Negima Chapter 236 is out!
Irritatingly, the raw came out a week ago, but no one touched it. Stupid Christmas. Bah Humbug!
Actually, I wouldn't have minded waiting an extra day or so for them to bring a proofreader in. The English quality is edging worryingly close to "second language" level.


http://i-am-boss.org/images/boss.jpg
SHE IS BOSS!
I love Kana. To me, she's the (if not smartest then) savviest character of them all. She can manipulate both Chiaki and Haruka with frightening ease, using Haruka's caring nature and Chiaki's worship of her "Haruka-neesama" against them.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole idiocy routine was just an act to keep them off their guard. :smallamused:

[Fri]

I posted about Hetalia and linked it on the last thread, but nobody noticed (well, except tengu).

*sulks childishly*

Well, my problem with hetalia is sometimes the characters are too similar to each other. Well, it's the problem of shojo manga's pretty-boy-style though.



Gee, world war 2 and the interwar period as a cutesey madcap anime. Can't see that that could go badly at all ...

well actually there are times like italian complain that they don't act like that, or people tell the author that she don't know history/european culture/whatever at all. Strangely, it's not that often.

[Attilargh]

I posted about Hetalia and linked it on the last thread, but nobody noticed (well, except tengu).
How do you think I found out about the series?

[Tengu_temp]

How do you think I found out about the series?

You noticed the title when looking up "yaoi" at TV Tropes?

[Artemician]

Well, my problem with hetalia is sometimes the characters are too similar to each other. Well, it's the problem of shojo manga's pretty-boy-style though.

I usually don't have problems telling Hetare apart unless they're little small European countries. Like Lituania, Estonia, or (sorry Tengu) Poland. China, America, et al, no problem. I suppose that would the point though.


well actually there are times like italian complain that they don't act like that, or people tell the author that she don't know history/european culture/whatever at all. Strangely, it's not that often.

Given the nature of the webcomic, you'll think that people know not to take it too seriously.

[RPGuru1331]

...Stylish, OP. STylish choice for the thread name.

Does Axis Powers Hetalia portray the US as well meaning but stupid, or just bastards? If the first, then I'll give it a go. If the latter, and not everyone's bastards, I'll spend my time elsewhere.

[Fri]

Nah. US is portrayed well there. The butt monkey is Italy (complete idiot) and... Russia is portrayed as psychotic yandere.

I think someone said that US is portrayed as a Toblerone (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheToblerone?from=Main.Toblerone). Loud and brash, but generally well meaning.

[RPGuru1331]

Nah. US is portrayed well there. The butt monkey are Italy (complete idiot) and... Russia is portrayed as psychotic yandere.

...Hm. I'm not sure I like well either.. :smallyuk:

Isn't it sad though, Italy? I don't suppose it's obfuscating stupidity?

[nothingclever]

...Stylish, OP. STylish choice for the thread name.

Does Axis Powers Hetalia portray the US as well meaning but stupid, or just bastards? If the first, then I'll give it a go. If the latter, and not everyone's bastards, I'll spend my time elsewhere.

The US is portrayed as well meaning but stupid. It's pushy and annoying in the story but it also has it's good moments. The first time it gets introduced it tells every other country to be its backup and says it wants to just charge in and beat everything itself but at least it isn't bragging. It just wants to be heroic.

Canada is portrayed as being invisible and America's almost identical twin brother. The main difference between the the two is Canada has one long loose anime style hair sticking out at all times. Canada is of course often mistaken for America. At one point Canada tries to tell US to be a little more civil because it is giving Canada a bad name but the US happens to be doing something with a chainsaw at the time so Canada gets scared and tries to pretend it had nothing to say at all. :/

People in the US have less to be offended by in my opinion compared to Canada.

The one time Canada has gotten to do something not sucky so far is when it complained for hours to America once because it couldn't take being mistaken for it anymore. Canada even has a pet that can't remember its master's name.

[RPGuru1331]

People in the US have less to be offended by in my opinion compared to Canada.

Funny, that's exactly the opposite of what some of my Canadian buddies think, going by what you've said. Still, on the list. Perhaps after I clear another month in Persona 4.

[nothingclever]

I'd rather be recognized as dominate and powerful while being poked at with random jokes than be a country that no one can remember.

I'm also specifically talking about this in the context of the comic not real life by the way.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Well, if the author did do research, I predict Canada turning into a total badass in whatever D-Day storyline there is. Then everyone promptly giving all the credit to America. Isn't It Sad, eh?

[Kato]

Okay, first thanks to you guys for the hint on Hetalia. Just read the five chapters I've found and it was pretty funny ^^ Germany gets out pretty good. Actually... we seem to be about the only country which does not screw in all of it's appearances. (Okay, it's not WWII yet. Plenty of time left)
Poor Italy, I'm not sure if that's so justified, but he seems to have done some propber research there. (Though, the Russian paratrooper story is really hard to believe)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to more of it.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I have now had the displeasure of watching the Touhou anime.

[Drascin]

I have now had the displeasure of watching the Touhou anime.

Also watched it, but I don't share the "displeasure" thing, really. It's not good by any stretch of the imagination, but it was more appropiate to source material than most fanmaterial out there for the most part, and had a couple chuckle-worthy moments. Not bad for a fifteen minute OVA by a small fan studio.

Still can't get used to Marisa's voice, though. Sounds too... grownup, maybe? for the little cocky typhoon we all know and love. Nor Sakuya sounding like miss Alicia from Aria (which I'm starting to watch now. Annotation: two episodes since I met her, and I already think Alice rocks) - always thought she'd sound polite, but a bit colder. Though, given I'm not in my own computer, and these speakers frigging suck to the point I can barely recognize most songs when I listen to them here, I won't pass too much judgement on sound yet.

Will probably watch the next one as well, particularly if there ends up being some Yukari in it, as it seems there will.

[Nerd-o-rama]

So I found some gift cards that my brother accidentally left at my parents' house mysteriously lying around, and bought some anime with them. Specifically, the first half of the Anime Legends re-release of Zeta Gundam. I thought about picking up ADV's Macross or FMP: The Second Raid, but there was no boxset of the latter and the former cost an extra twenty-five bucks (for another 13ish episodes, admittedly). So, now I'll probably actually watch Zeta through.

[Tengu_temp]

Nerdo has turned into a video game protagonist!

[Nerd-o-rama]

It's just like College Saga, except I haven't had a boss fight with him yet.

[Fri]

Well, since we're into hetalia, I give you guys link to Hetalia's lolier second cousin removed Afganisu-tan (http://www.pbase.com/darkbeat/afganisu-tan)

[Rogue 7]

So I found some gift cards that my brother accidentally left at my parents' house mysteriously lying around, and bought some anime with them. Specifically, the first half of the Anime Legends re-release of Zeta Gundam. I thought about picking up ADV's Macross or FMP: The Second Raid, but there was no boxset of the latter and the former cost an extra twenty-five bucks (for another 13ish episodes, admittedly). So, now I'll probably actually watch Zeta through.

I got The Second Raid boxset for Christmas, and I must say that there are an impressive number of extras with the DVDs.

[Jayngfet]

Well, just got the second TTGL DVD, loving the timeskip I've heard so much about.

[nothingclever]

So I found some gift cards that my brother accidentally left at my parents' house mysteriously lying around, and bought some anime with them. Specifically, the first half of the Anime Legends re-release of Zeta Gundam. I thought about picking up ADV's Macross or FMP: The Second Raid, but there was no boxset of the latter and the former cost an extra twenty-five bucks (for another 13ish episodes, admittedly). So, now I'll probably actually watch Zeta through.

I really liked the Zeta ending but damn it gets frustrating watching all the tragic endings the majority of characters get. The last big fight ending was awesome for me. I doubt I'll see a better final showdown soon in a Gundam series. Part of the ending actually makes hiding behind chairs hilarious and epic.

[Artemician]

Well, since we're into hetalia, I give you guys link to Hetalia's lolier second cousin removed Afganisu-tan (http://www.pbase.com/darkbeat/afganisu-tan)

Afghanisu-tan isn't anywhere as interesting as Hetalia, but the side blurbs are a hell lot more informative :P

[nothingclever]

Meriken looks awesome considering the format.

[Tengu_temp]

Meriken can shoot eye beams.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Meriken can shoot eye beams.Yeah, we can all do that. Can't you?

PS Borders has a crap anime selection and I bought Metalocalypse Season One instead.

[nothingclever]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akikan!
Akikan (”Empty Can”) is the unlikely story of high school boy Kakeru Daichi, whose can of melon juice soda magically transforms into a human girl. More “akikan” girls begin appearing, each of them needing to be infused with carbon dioxide from kissing to survive.

I can't wait to see if this series is totally terrible or if it's totally awesome.
Girls that need to be kissed to survive sounds like the laziest romance/harem/whatever plot ever written.

Lol, the girls can use "Cool Drink Sorcery" and at some point there's some kind of death match event between steel and aluminum cans so the makers can decide what material to use for all further can production.

[Dispozition]

Yeah, we can all do that. Can't you?

PS Borders has a crap anime selection and I bought Metalocalypse Season One instead.

Here Borders has no anime selection, but the second best Manga selection I've found to date...

@^: I'm totally going to watch that. It sounds a lot like that anime where the chibi-possessive girl comes out of the fridge...I need to watch that one too...

[Closet_Skeleton]

I can't wait to see if this series is totally terrible or if it's totally awesome.
Girls that need to be kissed to survive sounds like the laziest romance/harem/whatever plot ever written.

My parents have already seen it.

It is neither totally terrible or totally awesome, just mildly crap.

[Berserk Monk]

Well, just got the second TTGL DVD, loving the timeskip I've heard so much about.

I just finished watching the series. Good stuff.

[Dispozition]

My parents have already seen it.

It is neither totally terrible or totally awesome, just mildly crap.

Sounds like my kinda anime :D

[nothingclever]

My parents have already seen it.

It is neither totally terrible or totally awesome, just mildly crap.
Well at least this definitely isn't crappy:
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/series/2616/shigurui/

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2616/shigurui/chapter.50093/page.14/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2616/shigurui/chapter.50093/page.29/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2616/shigurui/chapter.50097/page.10/

[Tengu_temp]

What scares me about this manga is that I apparently added the last two chapters...

[nothingclever]

That's a sign you should read it. It's just plain awesome. The anime is much better since each episode captures every little detail of the original while letting you watch it smoothly rather than slowly reading 50 page chapters.

I never finished watching the anime though and it has been a while since I saw it so I'm starting to read it from the very beginning today so I can appreciate all the great still art and refresh my memory. I'm glad it's still ongoing and the anime adaptation only gets up to about volume 7 since I really enjoy epic long samurai stories with plenty of well drawn disembowelment and dismemberment.

[UltraDude]

I really liked the Zeta ending but damn it gets frustrating watching all the tragic endings the majority of characters get. The last big fight ending was awesome for me. I doubt I'll see a better final showdown soon in a Gundam series. Part of the ending actually makes hiding behind chairs hilarious and epic.

I honestly overuse my Zeta characters in Super Robot Wars just to try to make up for it in some small ways. Even though I've only gotten through about thirty episodes of Zeta. Need to find the rest of the double-disc sets, probably have to buy them online. At least not much is spoiled, since SRW4 only has menus translated :P Fa for ace pilot status woo!

Should (finally!) be watching Haruhi over the coming month at my college's anime club, and all of TTGL that I haven't seen through spring along with Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad, all of which come highly recommended from a sort of trusted friend (endless Evangelion hype makes me leery of anyone's tastes).

[Nerd-o-rama]

In my experience, Evangelion is a love-to-hate-it kinda thing. People who endlessly praise it usually didn't understand it, and people who hate on it mainly hate the people who don't shut up about it.

Now Zeta...I have had that spoiled for me, but that's not preventing me from watching it, or playing SRW Alpha. Guess what the major plot is again?

[nothingclever]

This is a classic manly tears moment.

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2616/shigurui/chapter.71977/page.12/

[Lord of Rapture]

I was hesistant at reading Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, because from what I had seen of the art style and the story, it didn't seem to fit my taste, not to mention I'm currently addicted to Fallout 3.

Then I saw this (http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=qbArvIqZzkI&feature=related).

I changed my mind.

[Innis Cabal]

The art is a bit strange at first, not very common in manga, but i've found reading up to Steel Ball Run that it really does grow on you.

The level of brutal combat in the manga really is second to none in many regards, and the strange art style lends itself to providing the action oriented storylines a better feel.

Also, once stands get introduced and don't feel let down because it takes untill the third storyline of them to actually show up things just get more insane as the manga goes on. Though if you wan't some advice, skip Diamons is Unbreakable. Its boring, poor character development and really dosn't contribute much to the series over all.

[nothingclever]

I read Diamond is Unbreakable and it was good to me. The story arc I like least is Golden Wind because it is the least connected to the rest of the JoJo series. It's very self-contained and the main villain Dio isn't even included. None of what happens in it has much if any impact on everything else. The main character isn't even part of the Joestar family line and he develops a power that basically makes him invincible at the end which is lame since until that point there was always some kind of weakness to each character's power(s).

It's still good in its own way though.

Diamond is Unbreakable gives you an explanation as to how many people get their powers such as Dio's followers in other parts and why people are mysteriously drawn together. The main villain isn't Dio in this one either but there is at least a reason why the story is told. The protagonist is part of the Joestar family line and his neighbourhood is being threatened so he has a reason to be written about and to fight. If he wasn't included in between other storylines people might have gotten tired of seeing Jotaro so often.

Golden Wind is basically like a What if? story. The cast is entirely new except for 1 character reintroduced near the end.

[Neon Knight]

Hokay, today tomorrow sometime I'll watch the four more episodes of Full Metal Panic. Hopefully that will turn out well.

On other fronts:

Recently, I've been reading through everything on onemanga.com that's marked with the romance category, mostly in an attempt to find a long running series that I can get all emotionally invested in, but also because bad shoujo is just as MST3k-able as anything else.

So while on my quest, I found a few items of curiosity:

Sakura no Uta. (http://www.onemanga.com/Sakura_no_Uta/) It's a short slice of life piece, and kinda nice if you like that sorta stuff. It is also the perfect opening chapters/set up for a harem comedy. I simply cannot believe that this isn't the adaption of some dating sim game or something. Can anyone confirm or deny this? To all appearances, it is just a short little slice of life story, but I just can't buy that. There is major harem dramatic tension potential here.

Tsuiteru Kanojo (http://www.onemanga.com/Tsuiteru_Kanojo/) is probably the best thing I've read so far in my quest. It's not anything super innovative or unique, but I feel that it manages to do what it does rather nicely. It balances its various elements with poise and it does everything it takes on with a refreshing degree of competence. It really managed to evoke some emotion out of me, which is more than I can say for most of the stuff I've read.

It might not stick with you forever, but I still think it's worth checking out.

As something of a tangent, why is telling someone you like them in shoujo always a "confession?" It's almost always phrased that way. Is there any particular reason for that convention?

[Lord Iames Osari]

I believe this may contain an answer to your tangential question:


con⋅fess /kənˈfɛs/ –verb (used with object)
1. to acknowledge or avow [...] by way of revelation.

[Nerd-o-rama]

My guess is that there's a specific one-word verb in Japanese for "to tell someone you like him/her", which gets translated as 'confess'. The convention probably started in anime because "tell him I like him" has way more syllables than whatever the Japanese equivalent is, and they needed to match the mouth movements. This is all just guessing, though.

Oh, and the last four eps of Full Metal Panic? Awesome. You'll enjoy them I'm sure.

Hey Osari, nothingclever, et al. Subs or dubs for Zeta Gundam?

[Innis Cabal]

I read Diamond is Unbreakable and it was good to me. The story arc I like least is Golden Wind because it is the least connected to the rest of the JoJo series. It's very self-contained and the main villain Dio isn't even included. None of what happens in it has much if any impact on everything else. The main character isn't even part of the Joestar family line and he develops a power that basically makes him invincible at the end which is lame since until that point there was always some kind of weakness to each character's power(s).

It's still good in its own way though.

Diamond is Unbreakable gives you an explanation as to how many people get their powers such as Dio's followers in other parts and why people are mysteriously drawn together. The main villain isn't Dio in this one either but there is at least a reason why the story is told. The protagonist is part of the Joestar family line and his neighbourhood is being threatened so he has a reason to be written about and to fight. If he wasn't included in between other storylines people might have gotten tired of seeing Jotaro so often.

Golden Wind is basically like a What if? story. The cast is entirely new except for 1 character reintroduced near the end.


Actually Vento Aureo has two characters from previous storylines, even with Jotaro having a small apperance in the start.

Only two story lines, Phantom Blood and Stardust Crusades have Dio in them, the first introducing him and the third killing him off in rather spectacular fashion. Stone Ocean brings him up and is part of the Stardust Crusader metaplot, but it introduces all new characters like every other series, Dio and Jotaro being the two with the most "screen time"

Onto Vento Aureo, Giorno Giovana is infact a member of the Joestar line, he has the birthmark to prove it. Since Dio stole the body of Jonathan he was actually a Joestar as well by what ever crazy vampire rules they use. Its stated that Gio Gio(Jo Jo) is the son of Dio and an japanese woman. So in reality he is the son of Jonathan even though it was Dio's "body"

Likewise Vento Aureo builds on the info of the arrowheads and explains exactly how they came into the world, and how stands started appearing.

Out of all the storylines, the one that dosn't take place in a real setting is Diamond is Unbreakable, and while the Stand Arrow is important afterwards, it is re-explained in Vento Aureo

[Lord Iames Osari]

My guess is that there's a specific one-word verb in Japanese for "to tell someone you like him/her", which gets translated as 'confess'. The convention probably started in anime because "tell him I like him" has way more syllables than whatever the Japanese equivalent is, and they needed to match the mouth movements. This is all just guessing, though.

Oh, and the last four eps of Full Metal Panic? Awesome. You'll enjoy them I'm sure.

Hey Osari, nothingclever, et al. Subs or dubs for Zeta Gundam?

Alas, to my shame, I have not seen Zeta, so I could not tell you.

[Nerd-o-rama]

...what? Seriously? I thought you were the #1 Gundam Fanboy around these parts. Hmph.

Anyway, the dub is bad, but not amusingly bad enough to make me want to watch it instead of the subs. Then again, the subs aren't terrifically well-written either, but at least I get to listen to Shuichi Ikeda while I read them.

On the subject, though.

Original Zeta opening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPgHKaUz8bY)
International Zeta opening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POojxaoqdE8) because there was an issue with the rights on the first song.

Is it just me, or is the international opening much better, despite just being an incidental orchestral piece grabbed from later in the series?

[RPGuru1331]

Alas, to my shame, I have not seen Zeta, so I could not tell you.

....But you named the chat..

You who love.. hate.. yankees.. clouds..
Head explodes

[Nerd-o-rama]

You know, it's kinda pissing me off. I'm playing SRW Alpha, and I've got one Gundam Mark II. In the show though, as of episode five, the AEUG has all three of the stupid things. Well, two and three quarters now. Don't worry, Quattro, legs are purely decorative in space anyway.

Then again, in SRW Alpha, the AEUG also has Gundam Deathscythe and the Huckebein Mark II at this point (and the Hyakku Shiki, really early), but it'd still be nice to have better suits for Emma and the mooks.

[RPGuru1331]

Wow, really? How did Emma not join in a Gundam Mk II? That's like.. nonsense. Then rather then Camille's detonating, he'll probably pass it over to her.

...Also what the hell is she in? The Rick Dias?

[nothingclever]

Actually Vento Aureo has two characters from previous storylines, even with Jotaro having a small apperance in the start.

Only two story lines, Phantom Blood and Stardust Crusades have Dio in them, the first introducing him and the third killing him off in rather spectacular fashion. Stone Ocean brings him up and is part of the Stardust Crusader metaplot, but it introduces all new characters like every other series, Dio and Jotaro being the two with the most "screen time"

Onto Vento Aureo, Giorno Giovana is infact a member of the Joestar line, he has the birthmark to prove it. Since Dio stole the body of Jonathan he was actually a Joestar as well by what ever crazy vampire rules they use. Its stated that Gio Gio(Jo Jo) is the son of Dio and an japanese woman. So in reality he is the son of Jonathan even though it was Dio's "body"

Likewise Vento Aureo builds on the info of the arrowheads and explains exactly how they came into the world, and how stands started appearing.

Out of all the storylines, the one that dosn't take place in a real setting is Diamond is Unbreakable, and while the Stand Arrow is important afterwards, it is re-explained in Vento Aureo
Well Dio is still the major villain overall.
He is the primary antagonist in Phantom Blood.
Battle Tendency explains the origins of his vampire powers with different villains that are like him only stronger.
Stardust Crusaders: He's the main antagonist.
Diamond is Unbreakable explains his stand powers and how he got his followers in Stardust Crusaders while the primary antagonist is very different.
Stone Ocean is all about Dio's plan which is carried out by a loyal follower introduced in Stardust Crusaders. The whole world is remade because of Dio's plan succeeding.
Steel Ball Run features him as one of the major contenders and after he gets powers of his own he looks like he'll be a major antagonist or a main character protagonist if he ever decided to help the others instead of competing/fighting against them.

You don't miss anything in the big picture of the author's world by not reading Golden Wind besides seeing what happened to Polnareff. He could've just died as it was implied before so having him come back isn't tying up a loose end. I forgot that Jotaro makes an appearance but he didn't need to be included for anything to make sense in the other stories. Jolyne doesn't want to see him when she's in prison and he's implied to have been neglecting his family way more than the time it takes to meet the characters in Italy or whatever. The story further explains things about the arrow that are never used later so they don't matter. Stabbing a stand with an arrow to make it stronger isn't anything used again later. The arrow I think I remember being explained as being made from a mysterious alien substance doesn't really add anything either.

You can argue Giovanni is a Joestar but he clearly sees himself as way more like Dio's son and he is. You can argue biologically he's part of the Joestar's because of his mark but he isn't really portrayed as much of one. He also doesn't marry and continue the line either.

The whole basis of the story was super optional. Dio didn't need to have a son for any reason.

Ironically despite being about Dio's son the story explains the least amount of stuff actually about Dio. Diamond is Unbreakable explains way more.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Wow, really? How did Emma not join in a Gundam Mk II? That's like.. nonsense. Then rather then Camille's detonating, he'll probably pass it over to her.

...Also what the hell is she in? The Rick Dias?

Yep, she's in Quattro's red Rick Dias at the moment (basically, the plot seems to have had nearly every detail changed since Camille's parents didn't show up; I've got one Mk II, but all three Rick-Diases). However, since I now have Gundam, NT-1 Gundam Alex, Gundam GP-01, and V Gundam, as well as another four or so mooks, along with all their pilots, there may be some shuffling of assignments going on.

And yes, I think "canonically", she gets Camille's Mark II/Super Gundam when he upgrades to the Zeta.

Hm. Amuro in the Alex makes sense, as it was originally developed for Newtypes and, specifially, him. I'd put Chris in the original, but she's got a poor-ass melee stat, and Gundam actually has a decent melee weapon (lol Hyper Hammer)...

[Kato]

Hm... Just gotta think... Emma was piloting nothing but the Mark II throughout Zeta, wasn't she? So it's not much sense putting her in a Rick Dias (Dynasty Warriors Gundam did the same, but it did annoy me there as well. Especially considering Mark II was pretty good.)
Though, while we are at Mobile Suits once more... why is Hyaku Shiki not accepted as Gundam by most of the fandom? It's not much different from a golden colored Mark II, if it is at all. Any ideas? (Okay, it's not called Gundam, yeah...)

@ nerd:
I've only been watching the subs, but when it comes to subs vs dubs I'm kind of a purist anyway. Zeta's original voices are pretty good, imo, considering when it was created.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Hm... Just gotta think... Emma was piloting nothing but the Mark II throughout Zeta, wasn't she? So it's not much sense putting her in a Rick Dias (Dynasty Warriors Gundam did the same, but it did annoy me there as well. Especially considering Mark II was pretty good.)

It is probably for variety reasons. Gundam Wing Endless Duel put Noien and Lady Une in Mercurius and Vayate despite the fact that they only really piloted mass production mobile suits in the series and never piloted those particular suits.

edit:


ALMOST right. Une piloted the Wing, if only for some moments to save Treize's ass. (Though, remember the Endless Duel thing as well. But they where pretty cheap pilots so to get any balancing in it, it was neccessary, I think)

I remembered that, which is why I made sure that I said "only really".

Using a Gundam as a glorified shuttle in a pointless scene that added nothing to the series isn't the same thing as "being the pilot of a unique mobile suit".

[Kato]

It is probably for variety reasons. Gundam Wing Endless Duel put Noien and Lady Une in Mercurius and Vayate despite the fact that they only really piloted mass production mobile suits in the series and never piloted those particular suits.

ALMOST right. Une piloted the Wing, if only for some moments to save Treize's ass. (Though, remember the Endless Duel thing as well. But they where pretty cheap pilots so to get any balancing in it, it was neccessary, I think)

[wolflord]

Here is a question for anyone who has seen the second Inuyasha movie. Have you noticed the symbolism in that movie, or in fact the entire series? The number five is used a lot in the series and in the second movie in particular. Let me know if you see what I'm talking about.

[nothingclever]

Since this thread has been pretty quiet today, I figured I'd ask, what mangas are you posters currently reading?

Today I've just started reading Souten no Ken/Fist of the Blue Sky, the prequel to Hokuto no Ken. I had never really heard of it until recently and I'm glad I found it since the art is way better than Hokuto no Ken and it's just as ridiculously awesome. As soon as I saw the protagonist block several bullets with his dining utensils I of course knew it would be a great read.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6493/soutennokenv01c01050ye6.th.png (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soutennokenv01c01050ye6.png)

I'm also reading several other mangas but I'm waiting for new chapters for all of them. Pluto recently got an update on OneManga and I've been waiting quite a while to continue reading it since I think it's great. I usually stick to action oriented stories but I like the unintentional funniness of the setting and story is better than most. It's by Urasawa Naoki, the same guy that did Monster. I think Monster is total trash and this is way better so if you think Monster is good then you might enjoy this even more since it doesn't suffer from all the terrible flaws I think Monster has.

Besides these two I'm reading Hajime no Ippo, Vagabond, Berserk, Riki-Oh, Shigurui, Zetman, Vinland Saga, Steel Ball Run, Claymore and probably some others that I'm can't currently remember. I read Bleach as well even though I think it sucks in comparison to other stuff just to keep up to date on what 4channers are saying.

[Rogue 7]

Bleach, Naruto, Negima, and Fullmetal Alchemist. The first two...you know, they've both got real good reasons for being as popular as their are. They've got great casts of characters, great battles, and, in Naruto's case, a great setting. They're impacted by severe pacing flaws (Bleach was awesome for a while, but these fights are dragging on a bit, though they look to be picking up again), and Naruto suffered a bit from focus on characters I disliked in times past. However, recently (thanks to kickass fights), it's been quite good, and the universe has spawned both awesome PbP games I'm in and some seriously awesome fan fiction. Besides, at their hearts they're both manga that place a great degree of focus on fights, and that can be awesome.

Fullmetal Alchemist and Negima, on the other hand, are both incredibly fantastic. Great settings, great characters (30+ in Negima, even), fantastic pacing, and in Negima's case, breathtaking art. It's a tossup which one's my favorite.

[wolflord]

So I take it no one cares about the last post I made about the symbolism in Inuyasha? Well, anyway if you do care to respond please do so.

[Rogue 7]

Dude, you posted less than an hour ago. Most of the regular posters aren't even on. I had no comment because I don't watch Inuyasha (and honestly, I don't think many people here do, either), but less than an hour? Give it some time, mate.

And just to make this post a bit more constructive, the Full Metal Panic light novels are quite good.

[wolflord]

Dude, you posted less than an hour ago. Most of the regular posters aren't even on. I had no comment because I don't watch Inuyasha (and honestly, I don't think many people here do, either), but less than an hour? Give it some time, mate.

And just to make this post a bit more constructive, the Full Metal Panic light novels are quite good.

Sorry I'm a little hyper right now so I'm not very patient. Your right though I should wait for more than an hour.
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[Castel]

So Im thinking of watching Higurashi no naku koro ni, at first I thought the characters were cute, seeing them in one of those youtube videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQkHOMFoyp8&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div). After a little investigating what the show is actually about I find out, to my surprise, its of the Mystery and Horror genre... the kinds of anime I never watch.

Any recomendatios or precautions from those who've seen the series?

[Neon Knight]

Let me echo the Negima recommendation. The characters are great, the setting interesting, and the art is very appealing. Personally, I find the pacing to be a tad rough in areas, but overall I still enjoy it, despite the fact that all my favorite characters are relatively secondary/minor (they're Konoka, Makie, and Ayaka btw). You could certainly do far, far worse.

I'm also reading Nagasarete Airantou. It's nothing special, but I like the characters. It's comfort food for me, kinda like yuri('s Revenge. The Red Alert 2 expansion pack. That is totally what I meant. Incidentally, a C&C manga/anime would kick ass.)

As I earlier noted, I've been plugging through the romance category searching for a good series. There was one or two one shots/short run series that were worth a look if you can tolerate shoujo with the modest goal of being a good example of its particular genre's conventions.

Also, I just finished watching Episode of 12 of Full Metal Panic (the end of the Behemoth arc.) I can now say I like the Captain and LC, and I like Kurz even more than before (even if he does remind a little bit of Raiden.) The rest of the cast still has yet to gain anything other than apathy from me. Still not sold on the series, but it is improving.

I also found the Behemoth itself to be utterly hilarious. Episode name: One Night Stand. Pilot of Behemoth: Profusely sweaty. Wields a giant, somewhat suggestive sword. Is defeated by a groin attack. Is bright frickin cherry/whore red. I decided to mute the ending song and play Queen's "Fat Bottomed Girls" over the credits. Seemed fitting. It's better than when I muted the orchestral music in 2001: A Space Odyssey and listened to Death Magnetic after getting bored of trying to get that Echoes/Time Gate sync to work.

[wolflord]

So Im thinking of watching Higurashi no naku koro ni, at first I thought the characters were cute, seeing them in one of those youtube videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQkHOMFoyp8&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div). After a little investigating what the show is actually about I find out, to my surprise, its of the Mystery and Horror genre... the kinds of anime I never watch.

Any recomendatios or precautions from those who've seen the series?

What is Higurashi no naku koro ni? If I may ask.
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[Castel]

What is Higurashi no naku koro ni? If I may ask.
http://tinyurl.com/8j3spt/.gif (http://tinyurl.com/9s7fun)Well, this is the synopsis (http://www.anime-planet.com/anime/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni) i read.

About mangas I'm reading right now:

One Piece
Bleach (this one mostly because its updated at the place where i read most mangas...)
Naruto (same reason as bleach.... but its getting interesting again. Kind of.)
Fairy Tail
Negima (this one is probably my favorite right now... even if it has its issues. To quote Asuna "I am not a Lolicon" dammit!)
I was reading some Fire Emblem ones, but i havent found any new updates for a while
I'm reading Hellsing too, and the pacing is killing me.


I read others too, but i cant remember other names right now.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Kasrkin: I was too busy laughing my head off at the End of Evangelion references to notice the title, but hey, lots of sexual references fits that mold just fine too.

Seriously, watch that arc dubbed, and you will be amazed at the lack of Tang.

I have to admit, that arc soured me a bit on Chidori and Sousuke for a while, mainly because they both act like morons for most of it, but I think they redeem themselves at the end.

And yeah, Tessa and Khalinin are both made of win.

[Lizard]

So Im thinking of watching Higurashi no naku koro ni, at first I thought the characters were cute, seeing them in one of those youtube videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQkHOMFoyp8&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div). After a little investigating what the show is actually about I find out, to my surprise, its of the Mystery and Horror genre... the kinds of anime I never watch.

Any recomendatios or precautions from those who've seen the series?

It is decent, not great but probably worth watching. The anime is divided in several scenarios, each around 4-6 episodes long. Each scenario has same characters, The first half of each scenario is usually light-hearthed and slice of life show, usually with some foreshadowing of darker things, the second half is horror with a bit of violence and mind screw thrown in for good measure. Also each scenario offers or suggest a theory what the hell is going on(usually flawed or false). In my opinion the slice of life bits of show were not very well done (although they were mostly bearable) but, even at its worst, the horror parts were better than the majority of what Hollywood could muster. Also Higurashi is heavily overhyped and spoilered on the most anime forums I know about so beware when entering such places...

About manga I read in the moment:
Bleach (Although it was quite bad for a long while, it got a bit better recently, so I follow it, mostly in hope it will crawl out of the grave it dug for itself with last two or three arcs)
Naruto (unlike Bleach, I have no hope Naruto will get better, ever, but it skirts So Bad its Good quite often and that is what keeps me reading for most parts.)
One Piece ( One of the best, if not the best shonen manga out there. Good fights, good setting and the author can weave quite a story)
Mahou Sensei Negima ( Negima is in the same league as OP, it is an unholy fusion of harem manga and shonen fight manga, yet it somehow works and manages to be entertaining. Also lots and lots of character yet the author somehow manages to develop most of them)
Claymore (It belongs in three best shonen mangas alongside Negima and OP. Badass chick with BFS, cool setting, interesting characters, good fights, story that gets more interesting with each new chapter, and I like drawing style in Claymore quite a bit)
Soul Eater (Far better than Bleach and Naruto, a bit worse than Claymore, Negima and OP. Still manages to be cool and entertaining)
I kinda follow Berserker too, meaning that every two or three months I remeber there could be a new chapter, and If I am really lucky there is one.

Also in the end I would like to thank anyone who recommended Azumanga Diaoh to me. I tracked it down and it was exactly that kind of anime I was looking for

[The Evil Thing]

EDIT: Hmmm :smallconfused:, I put the titles in bold face so my post didn't look too much like an impenetrable wall of text/stream of consciousness thing. If you think it looks stupid, say so and I'll switch it back.

I agree with Rogue 7 that the FMP light novels are indeed quite good. I was also reading Shakugan no Shana but the licensor dropped it. Other light novels I keep an eye on (though read through fan translations) include Kaze no Stigma, Zero no Tsukaima and Fate/Zero. With any luck, the Wolf and Spice translation might get up to a stage where I can start reading properly.

On the manga front I'm reading Naruto, Bleach, One Piece (of course), History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi Fairy Tale, Minami-ke and To-LOVE-Ru along with a few other series such as Claymore and FMA. To be honest though, I feel as if I'm reading them out a sense of "duty"; Negima, and Hayate the Combat Butler are the only series I really care about enough to check for new chapters. Fairy Tale isn't bad but it feels pretty bland. Kenichi is good for cheap fun. The fight scenes aren't bad at all but the rest of the plot is predictable and "straight". Minami-ke is nice but the chapters are too short to really make a good impression, a bit like the 4koma that wasn't. Unusually for me, I prefer the anime version.
I'm currently working my way through the archives of Ai Yori Aoshi. It's good but it's hardly something to write home about. I'm about a quarter of the way through MPD Psycho, but for some reason I haven't read any for a few weeks now. I keep telling myself I'll pick up from where I left off in Blade of the Immortal, 3x3 Eyes and Berserk. Who knows... I might read the last thirty chapters of Inuyasha.
I'm trying to continue with two series which I really do like: Psychometrer Eiji and Initial D but both suffer from (I guess) a lack of raws, even though the former is finished and the latter is several volumes ahead of the translations. Initial D's not so much of a problem since I can just buy the TP books when they come out but NOBODY HAS LICENSED EIJI!!! THE WORLD IS ENDING!!! *cough*

Monthlies that generally keep my attention include Oh My Goddess (why people call it Ah My Goddess is beyond me), Highschool of the Dead (the most awesome zombie manga of all time, though possibly because it's the only one I know of too), Gunslinger Girl and Tsukihime.

[Fri]

I don't like reading things online, so I only read whatever the publisher publish around here in my hidden elf country.

And boy, we publish things.

Basically, I read almost everything you guys posted above me, most major shonen manga, two monthly manga magazine (one from kodansha, one from shueisha) and quite some shojo manga. I don't buy manga anymore though. I don't have place for them in my tiny room. I stuffed most of them in boxes and sent them to my brother, then I promised to myself to not buying manga anymore, for monetary and space problem. Though, just at the end of the year I got a complete set of Eroica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eikou_no_Napoleon_%E2%80%93_Eroica) from a garage sale for just about five bucks. It's a historical shojo manga about evil elitest some corsican hobbit.

Now I just have to find a place to stash it. Sigh.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Here is a question for anyone who has seen the second Inuyasha movie. Have you noticed the symbolism in that movie, or in fact the entire series? The number five is used a lot in the series and in the second movie in particular. Let me know if you see what I'm talking about.

The second movie is based of the famous folkstory of Kaguya hime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaguya_Hime). That should explain all the symbolism there.

I can't say I noticed the number 5 much anywhere else in the series. Only the third movie had any imput from the mangaka from what I've heard. Stand alone episode movies from TV series tend to be nothing but glorified filler so I prefer to ignore them.

[nothingclever]

So Im thinking of watching Higurashi no naku koro ni, at first I thought the characters were cute, seeing them in one of those youtube videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQkHOMFoyp8&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div). After a little investigating what the show is actually about I find out, to my surprise, its of the Mystery and Horror genre... the kinds of anime I never watch.

Any recomendatios or precautions from those who've seen the series?
Well the episodes are divided into specific sets. Throughout the show the characters and setting stay the same but different series of events are told. Each set of episodes starts off with roughly the same beginning events but then everything else changes afterwards and the endings are always different. Every set of episodes is a different story showing how characters making different choices changes the outcome of events. Each story relates to the others because anything you learn about a character in one version applies to that character in the others. Over time certain mysteries about the setting and characters are explained.

The stories pretty much always start out cute and cheery and then become increasingly dark as they get closer to the end so there's definitely some comedy and lighthearted moments. There's some serious violence in some episodes but it is generally very little. It's usually around the end of a story that anything gruesome happens.

I think everything in the show is pretty well done. There are some parts that I found kind of lacking but that happens in plenty of series. Once you've watched enough you really look forward to getting to the final resolution. One thing you might want to know before watching is that there is a definite end to the show where everything critical to the story is explained but it takes a long time to reach that part and until then you are kept wondering about certain things.

A lot of the show really isn't the characters or you investigating things like in a typical mystery story. It's a casual show you can enjoy without thinking really hard trying to figure things out. The show is about a mystery but almost everything is clearly spelled out at the end very little is left to your interpretation. There isn't a cliffhanger or a million different ways to see things.

[The Evil Thing]

At the very least, you can kind of tell from a title like "When the Higurashi Cry" that it isn't exactly going to be a happy series.

[UltraDude]

Hm... I read Bleach and Naruto, if only because I've put too much time into them to not finish it out. Also read Claymore, which is very very good. Need to read more One Piece, sadly, it takes a while to catch up in something so very long.

Finished reading Beauty Pop a week or so ago as well. Fun shoujo manga, with some shounen elements in how they treat the hairstyling competitions that the story is built around. Surprisingly funny in parts, and the characters in general are great.

[nothingclever]

Souten no Ken just keeps getting better as I read more of it. One of Kenshiro's enemies is so huge he needs a man with a flamethrower to light his cigar and if anyone mentions how big he is he gets offended and kills them.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/nothingclever/SoutennoKenv06c58-003.jpg

[wolflord]

Is anyone in here into Bleach? It's one of my favorite animes right now.

[Rogue 7]

Is anyone in here into Bleach? It's one of my favorite animes right now.

Anime no (too lazy/not enough time), Manga very yes. Awesome characters, awesome fights. Not much more, but then...it doesn't really need to be.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I downloaded Masaki Endoh's ENSON 2 album - basically, it's the lead singer of JAM Project, a respected solo artist in his own right, covering a bunch of other anime music in his particular idiom.

Highlights:

Eternal Blaze (Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's)
Sora Iro Days (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)
Genesis of Aquarion (or whatever you call the slow version of the first Aquarion OP)
Uninstall (Bokurano)
God Knows (Haruhi Suzumiya)

...this man is a little too good at singing female singers' songs. And this album doesn't even have his take on Do You Remember Love? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjZOoSWMyNc) (probably linked this earlier)...which, incidentally, is supposed to be on this album. Hmph.

[The Evil Thing]

Is anyone in here into Bleach? It's one of my favorite animes right now.
The manga isn't so bad but I lost interest in the anime since it never really got anywhere (of course, this is partly the manga's fault since it doesn't get anywhere either) in any decent amount of time. Between a molasses-slow plot and annoying filler (though at least in meaningful arcs *cough* Naruto *cough*) it just couldn't justify the bandwidth.


Rogue 7, is that... Kotarou you have for an avatar?

[Lord of Rapture]

The manga isn't so bad but I lost interest in the anime since it never really got anywhere (of course, this is partly the manga's fault since it doesn't get anywhere either) in any decent amount of time. Between a molasses-slow plot and annoying filler (though at least in meaningful arcs *cough* Naruto *cough*) it just couldn't justify the bandwidth.


Oh god yes. The manga is a decent read, but in no way can I stand to watch another second of clunky animation and horrible voice acting of the anime.

[Rogue 7]

The manga isn't so bad but I lost interest in the anime since it never really got anywhere (of course, this is partly the manga's fault since it doesn't get anywhere either) in any decent amount of time. Between a molasses-slow plot and annoying filler (though at least in meaningful arcs *cough* Naruto *cough*) it just couldn't justify the bandwidth.

Naruto's dramatically improved on the filler since Shippuden picked up- the one I saw was decent, gave Asuma some good backstory before he kicked the bucket, and made a reasonable amount of sense, even if the villains didn't.



Rogue 7, is that... Kotarou you have for an avatar?

Ayup. The cocky little dog-boy's probably one of my favorite Negima characters.

[The Evil Thing]

Oh god yes. The manga is a decent read, but in no way can I stand to watch another second of clunky animation and horrible voice acting of the anime.
That's probably one advantage of watching subs that the debates overlook: if it's in a foreign language, the acting has to be truly terrible for you to notice. The animation on the other hand... ever heard the term "QUALITY"?


Ayup. The cocky little dog-boy's probably one of my favorite Negima characters.
Just what is with his expression? The poor thing looks like Chizuru drugged and had her wicked way with him (interpret that as you will).

He's also one of my favourites. If you think about it, he's pretty close to the stereotypical shounen hero with a bit of The Rival mixed in. In the hands of a lesser author I'm sure he'd be annoying as hell for practically everyone.

[Neon Knight]

Just what is with his expression? The poor thing looks like Chizuru drugged and had her wicked way with him (interpret that as you will).

He's eating.

[The Evil Thing]

I thought about that, but eating doesn't seem to cut it. He looks almost... forlorn.

[wolflord]

Maybe he's being wierded out by something, or maybe the girl he's living with (I forget her name) is being all motherly to him again.

[Neon Knight]

The new Negima!? Neo chapter continues the proud tradition of taking an entire arc's worth of characterization and condensing it down to a single chapter. This one basically summed up all of Nodoka's characterization and got us through our visit to Library Island, sans Baka Rangers.

Also, it seems like Asuna's characterization has been flanderized into hilarious greed. Since Negima!? Neo has less Asuna than normal Negima anyway, I don't care too much. It also seems like elements introduced into the last chapter might be building into some solid plot.

[Rogue 7]

Man, I seriously doubt I'd ever read Neo. I like Negima for the action, art, and the great characterization. The fanservice and harem-type humor I liked more in Love Hina, where at least the majority of the girls aren't jailbait.

Kotaro-kun's expression really just strikes me as being curious. Like someone said something interesting in the middle of dinner.

[Prime32]

This looks like the right place to ask...

How should I get into Super Robot Wars? Which game should I play first, and where would I get it?

I've watched some of the Divine Wars anime... it's not really thrilling me (though every five minutes I think "Wait, didn't I see that somewhere before? What's Gilbert Durandal doing there?" :smalltongue:). Granted, you don't get things like "EVA-01, HIKARI NI NARE!!!" with the Original Generations, but then you get things like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBHLaFmUQ0I).
http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/76098653/15681421
http://gundams.net/files/pictures/destiny/episode7/destiny7%20(224).jpg

I've picked up some stuff from Youtube and TVTropes, and I've watched Lamia Loveless's spinoff show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41mj2uCl-rw&fmt=18) :smallwink:

Oh, and for no reason at all... (http://www.youtube.com/v/qdqsGh6068Y&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1&fmt=18) (watch it to the end)

[Neon Knight]

Man, I seriously doubt I'd ever read Neo. I like Negima for the action, art, and the great characterization. The fanservice and harem-type humor I liked more in Love Hina, where at least the majority of the girls aren't jailbait.

It actually has less harem humor/ fan service than regular Negima too. Mostly, it gained light, almost slice of life esque humor.

Really, Neo is Negima with everything on fast forward. All the old elements are present, just in smaller and briefer amounts.

[Cubey]

This looks like the right place to ask...

How should I get into Super Robot Wars? Which game should I play first, and where would I get it?

I've watched some of the Divine Wars anime... it's not really thrilling me

Original Generation 1 and 2 have that distinct advantage that they are actually available on the Western market. Unlike other products which you may find fan translations of (Alpha Gaiden, maybe J), or not at all. OGs obviously don't have pilots or mecha from any anime shows, all 100% original Banpresto creations* - but it doesn't mean the games will suck or be boring! On the contrary, they're great and so is their cast. The translation isn't so hot, but it's definitely bearable and doesn't spoil the fun. I didn't watch the anime, but from what I know I strongly suspect it's not doing the series its justice.

* Okay. Original but sometimes heavily inspired by other sources. I mean, Huckebeins - look at 'em!

[Prime32]

Original Generation 1 and 2 have that distinct advantage that they are actually available on the Western market. Unlike other products which you may find fan translations of (Alpha Gaiden, maybe J), or not at all. OGs obviously don't have pilots or mecha from any anime shows, all 100% original Banpresto creations* - but it doesn't mean the games will suck or be boring! On the contrary, they're great and so is their cast. The translation isn't so hot, but it's definitely bearable and doesn't spoil the fun. I didn't watch the anime, but from what I know I strongly suspect it's not doing the series its justice.

* Okay. Original but sometimes heavily inspired by other sources. I mean, Huckebeins - look at 'em!
Heh, I'm not saying the OG characters aren't cool (quite the contrary). The OGs are still tricky to find in shops, and I'd prefer a game where I can hear "CHESUTOOOO!" - I don't mind emulation, I just don't know where to look.

In defence of the anime, it does have this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5IBlMjYpXQ&fmt=18).

[Cubey]

It depends on if you mind having your game in Japanese or do you have to have a translation.

If it's the former, then you can either go Alpha series, starting from Alpha 1, which is on PS1, or SRW Z for PS2. OG games have their PS2 incarnation as well - OGs lumps the first two games together, adding several new missions and characters, and OG Gaiden is a continuation. I played it, it's great.

If it's the latter... then it's either OG 1 and 2, or fan translations of whatever you can find, as I said already.

At any rate, the OG games are rare to find, but the rest is impossible to obtain legally outside of importing from Japan.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I can definitely recommend Alpha, R, and J from personal experience. Probably A as well. Of those, only Alpha has voice-acting, but importing or even emulating a PlayStation game is a bit of a pain.

You could try the translated Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden from Aeon Genesis Translation Project (or something that abbreviates to AGTP). It has translated English text and Japanese voice acting. Two caveats are that it is notoriously hard (almost as hard as SRW3, an SNES game that also has a fan translation out there) and that it is technically a sequel to Alpha, but the opening crawl should have all the info you need.

The thing about SRW is that they're very story- and text-heavy games. While you can appreciate them with a summary or by knowing the shows they made, it's really probably a lot better to get them in English.

Oh, and there better not be a translation of J, or I'm gonna be pissed.

[Tengu_temp]

In defence of the anime, it does have this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5IBlMjYpXQ&fmt=18).

Hey, so that's how they form the SRX... cool.

By the way, from my experience, most video game-based anime are worst than the game. As any Disgaea fan will tell you.

I'd recommend playing the officialy-translated OG1 and 2 for GBA, and after finishing, when you know all the story, somehow obtaining OGs for PS2 and enjoying the same thing, but with voice acting and cool animations.

[tyckspoon]

Oh, and there better not be a translation of J, or I'm gonna be pissed.

There's one in progress by.. whoever these people http://kaioshin.romhacking.net/?cat=10 are. Seems to be going reasonably well, but since this is a translation project god knows when it'll actually be completed.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Yeah, there's allegedly one for Alpha, as well. And yet, they finished translation on the sequel first. What's up with that?

[Tengu_temp]

Isn't it obvious? They finished Alpha Gaiden first because it has freakin' Sanger. I use the work "freakin'" as an expression of quality here.

[Terraoblivion]

Having followed the translation project for J i can say that unless they have been lying heavily about their progress they have been going fast through it. Likewise unless they have been lying they also have positions needed filled out and working on it. No matter what it is not done, leaving Alpha Gaiden and SRW3 as the only ones translated by fans. As for why they started with Alpha Gaiden and not Alpha is anybody's guess, but it probably involves Sanger like Tengu said.

[Drascin]

Hey, so that's how they form the SRX... cool.

By the way, from my experience, most video game-based anime are worst than the game. As any Disgaea fan will tell you.

;_;

*rocks back and forth in fetal position* Disgaea anime... so much promise, and so screwed up... why so much character derailment...? ...was Gordon not good enough...?

[Nerd-o-rama]

So I apparently became a Titan in the Playground.

I hereby demand that all my posts now be automatically colored a bitchin' black/navy colorscheme.

[13_CBS]

So I apparently became a Titan in the Playground.


I call Princep for the Imperator-class Nerd-o-Rama! :smallbiggrin:

[Nerd-o-rama]

I actively ignore Warhammer 40k and I still got the reference, man.

[13_CBS]

I actively ignore Warhammer 40k and I still got the reference, man.

In any case, I call driver's seat for the Playground's newest Titan. :smalltongue:

[nothingclever]

This is great.

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71434/page.13/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71434/page.15/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71434/page.16/

The cheesy themes of characters in Souten no Ken just get better and better.
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71435/page.4/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71435/page.5/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71600/page.8/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71600/page.9/

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71600/page.3/

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71600/page.6/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71600/page.7/

"This moustache has saved my life countless times."
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/2979/souten_no_ken/chapter.71820/page.11/

[Fri]

For those who is still kinda new around here and never got my first advertisement. And for those who got my first advertisement and had completely forgot about it too, actually.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Faris/doubleK.jpg

Double K (http://captainosaka.deviantart.com/art/DOUBLE-K-028-108956486) just got its first explosion.

[Neon Knight]

I just finished reading Air, Kanon and Tomoyo After - Dear Shining Memories. All three were well written, well drawn, and overall worth reading.

Let me tell you though, Kanon would sit a lot less well with me if it weren't for that epilogue. And I have some serious values dissonance with Air. And by the time I read Tomoyo After, I was tired of the whole Her Heart Will Go On (And it is almost always her heart. It's like the male version of Women in Refrigerators) gambit.

They're all good reads despite my complaints, but there has to be a better way to display that a character has gained emotional strength than beating the significant other with the deathstick. All three works had strains of this; it was most painful in Air, and narrowly averted in Kanon. (That epilogue puts the end of the earlier chapter in a whole new light.)

Are any of the games/anime associated with these works any good?