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Otogi
2008-12-28, 01:09 AM
I'm trying to compose a list of half-breeds found in D&D, and here's what I have so far:

Base

Half-Elves (Human/Elf) - Player's Handbook

Half-Orcs (Human/Orc) - Player's Handbook

Half-Ogres (Human/Ogre) - Races of Destiny, Savage Species, Bastards & Bloodlines

Muls (Human/Dwarf) - Dark Sun 3.5

Aasimar (Human/Half-Celestial) - Monster Manual

Tiefling (Human/Half-Fiend) - Monster Manual

Gensai (Human/Half-Elemental) - Races of Fearun

Feytouched (Humanoid/Half-Fey) - Fiend Folio

Allear (Elf/Giant Eagle) - Bastard & Bloodlines

Alicorn (Elf/Unicorn) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Blinkling (Halfling/Blink Dog) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Burrower (Gnome/Umber Hulk) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Decatuar (Elf/Centaur) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Green Folk (Human/Lizardfolk) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Grendle (Human-Dwarf/Troll) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Gnoll (Human/Gnoll) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Goblin (Halfling-Gnome/Goblin) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Hobogoblin (Dwarf/Hobogoblin) -Bastards & Bloodlinse

Half-Bugbear (Elf/Bugbear) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Kuo-toa (Dwarf/Kuo-toa) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Houri (Elf/Nymph) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Jovian (Human-Orc-Half Orc/Hill Giant-Fire Giant-Frost Giant) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Krestel (Halfling/Harpy) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Lasher (Dwarf/Roper) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Lurker (Gnome/Cloaker) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Merg (Human/Merfolk) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Mind Ripper (Humanoid/Mind Flayer) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Morlok (Gnome/Troglodyte) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Piper (Elf-Halfling/Satyr) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Spring Child (Humanoid/Dryad) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Sthien (Elf/Naga) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Trixie (Gnome/Pixie) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Watcher (Dwarf/Gargoyle) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Wendigo (Dwarf/Frost Wolf) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Woodwose (Elf/Treant) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Wretch (Orc/Hag) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Wyrd (Elf/Ogre Mage) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Changeling (Human/Half-Doppleganger) - Eberron Campaign Guide

Shifter (Human/Lycanthrope) - Eberron Campaign Setting

Fey'ri (Sun Elf/Demon)- Races of Fearun

Tannaruk (Orc/Demon) - Races of Fearun

Chaond (Human/Half-Slaad?) - Monster Manual II

Zenthyir (Human/Half-Lawful?) - Monster Manual II

Whispling (Halfling/Demon) - Fiend Folio

Maeluth (Dwarf/Devil) - Fiend Folio

Mechanatrice (Human/Inevitable) - Fiend Folio

Shyft (Human/Ethereal Creatures?) - Fiend Folio

Half-Kender (Human/Kender) - Dragonlance Campaign Setting

Draegloth (Drow/Demon) - Monsters of Fearun

Mephling (Humanoid/Mephit)

Template

Half-Dragons (Anything/Dragon) - Monster Manual

Half-Celestials (Anything/Good Outsider) - Monster Manual

Half-Fiends (Anything/Evil Outsider) - Monster Manual

Half-Elementals (Anything/Elemental) - Manual of the Planes

Half-Fey (Anything/Fey) - Fiend Folio

Half-Minotaur (Humanoid/Minotaur) - Dragon Magazine

Half-Vampire (Humanoid/Vampire) - Libris Mortis, Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Illithid (Non-Human/Illithid) - Fiend Folio

Half-Rakshasa (Anything/Rakshasa) - Dragon Magazine, Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Beholder (Anything/Beholder) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Titan (Anything/Titan) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Doppleganger (Anything/Doppleganger) - Dragon Magazine, Bastards & Bloodlines

Draconic (Humanoid/Half-Dragon) - Draconomicon, Races of the Dragon

Half-Farspawn (Anything/Far Realm Entity) - Lords of Madness

Anything else?

Glyde
2008-12-28, 01:17 AM
One of my characters is Half Minotaur / Half Ibixian.

Yeah, that's right. Course I don't have a real name for it. She's pretty much the only one, as far as I know.

Eloel
2008-12-28, 01:21 AM
Allear (Elf/Giant Eagle)
Woodwose (Elf/Treant)
Wyrd (Elf/Ogre Mage)

Isn't it weird what the elves can do?..

ericgrau
2008-12-28, 01:23 AM
Isn't it wyrd what the elves can do?..
Fixed it for ya.:smalltongue:

The minotaur was the offspring of a bull and a woman (or man and cow?), but I'm not sure if d&d follows Greek legend there.

Wow, this interbreeding is really out of control. If only they made races unable to cross-bread, we'd have just a little more sanity remaining.

VerdugoExplode
2008-12-28, 01:28 AM
No love for Mongrelfolk? (Half anything and everything which could conceivably reproduce with something else)

Eloel
2008-12-28, 01:33 AM
Mongrelfolk is basically (Half-Anything Half-Anything/Half-Anything Half-Anything) a few times over...

Glyde
2008-12-28, 01:47 AM
Mongrelfolk eh? Well I must be getting close... Some star elf has been eying my minobixian thing.

AmberVael
2008-12-28, 01:55 AM
Half-Nymph
Half-Satyr
Half-Doppleganger
Half-Minotaur
Half-Scrag (aquatic troll)
Half-Troll
Half-Vampire
Half-Illithid
Half-Janni
Half-Rakshasa

Half-Golem (not sure if this really counts)

Starsinger
2008-12-28, 01:57 AM
Half-Nymph
Half-Satyr
Half-Doppleganger
Half-Minotaur
Half-Scrag (aquatic troll)
Half-Troll
Half-Vampire
Half-Illithid
Half-Janni
Half-Rakshasa

Half-Golem (not sure if this really counts)

Techincially Half-Golem should double everything, since you could be a Half-Golem Half-Half-Elf...

Serenity
2008-12-28, 02:04 AM
Bringing Pathfinder into it, we have the Ogrekin--inbred, mutant, half-ogre/half-humans. Them ogres ain't right, if you get my meaning.

UserClone
2008-12-28, 10:35 AM
Your half-orc claims to have an ogre for a dad, OP.

Curmudgeon
2008-12-28, 10:49 AM
You've got two different concepts jumbled together, you know. Straight interbreedings, like Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, and Half-Ogres (all half-human interbreedings) can't be combined with any other half-human pairings; you can't ever get 1/2 Elf and 1/2 Orc from Half-Elf and Half-Orc parents, only Human, Half-Elf, and Half-Orc. Most templates, like Half-Celestial, can be mixed as long as you can meet the requirements, because inherited templates are all about magical change rather than genetics.

Xefas
2008-12-28, 10:51 AM
Burrower (Gnome/Umber Hulk)


:smalleek: ...AHHHHHHH!

Oh sweet mother of Hextor that's horrifying. Are there actually stats for this? That's...agh...that's...*sigh*

Anyway, isn't there a special Half-Drow/Half-Demon? Called a Draegloth or something? I can't remember where I read about it...

Eloel
2008-12-28, 10:51 AM
Add
Mule (Horse/Donkey)
Just because.

Adumbration
2008-12-28, 11:05 AM
Thanks for destroying my sanity. Especially the Umber hulk/gnome.

OOTS_Rules 2
2008-12-28, 11:46 AM
Blink Dogs . . . + Halflings? OK, I think that could offend frequenters of the House of Horrors!

Adumbration
2008-12-28, 11:49 AM
Krestel (Halfling/Harpy)

Lasher (Dwarf/Roper)

Lurker (Gnome/Cloaker)

Watcher (Dwarf/Gargoyle)

Wendigo (Dwarf/Frost Wolf)

Wretch (Orc/Hag)


Pass me the brain bleach, please.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 11:50 AM
List updated to mess further with your heads.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 11:53 AM
Pass me the brain bleach, please.

A few of those aren't as gross as you believe.

arguskos
2008-12-28, 11:56 AM
A few of those aren't as gross as you believe.
Dwarf/ROPER?!? What sorta strange stuff you do look at in your free time to NOT want brainbleach for that unholy union?? :smalltongue:

"Honey, pass the rock salt please."
"BLEARGH!!"
"Thank you!"

*shudders*

EDIT: Gnome/Cloaker is pretty bad too. >_<

kamikasei
2008-12-28, 11:58 AM
The Fey'ri are fiend-blooded extraplanar elves, if that satisfies your criteria. There are orcish equivalents but I can't remember their names - Tarrukh?

Adumbration
2008-12-28, 11:58 AM
Gnome/Cloaker isn't that good either.

EDIT: Ninja'd by an edit. :smalltongue:

arguskos
2008-12-28, 11:58 AM
The Fey'ri are fiend-blooded extraplanar elves, if that satisfies your criteria. There are orcish equivalents but I can't remember their names - Tarrukh?
Tanarruk, I believe.

Threeshades
2008-12-28, 12:04 PM
Are there rules for all of these, if so, it would be nice to have the sources they're from noted with each

Flickerdart
2008-12-28, 12:05 PM
Aren't there half-halflings (quarterlings?)?

kamikasei
2008-12-28, 12:05 PM
Tanarruk, I believe.

Indeed yes, thank you.

arguskos
2008-12-28, 12:09 PM
Aren't there half-halflings (quarterlings?)?
No idea, but aren't quicklings half-breeds of some variety? Or are they their own race?

Neek
2008-12-28, 12:13 PM
This list would be much more improved if the entire compilation was organized by base creature or template, with cross-references to their sources. Just saying.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 12:16 PM
Got it, doing it right now.

newbDM
2008-12-28, 12:24 PM
Actually, there is nothing in the MM saying that Aasimars and Teiflings have to be half-human.

They simply based the drawing in the MM off human. Aasimar and Teifling are the genetic throwbacks to a demon ro celestial ancestor, so you can have a dwarf teifling, en elf teifling, a gnome aasimar/teifling, etc. For smallar or larger sized creatures just add the size category changes from the MM1.

AJWB
2008-12-28, 12:27 PM
Half-Titan (Anything/Titan) - Bastards & Bloodlines

:smalleek: OUCH :smalleek:

newbDM
2008-12-28, 12:29 PM
:smalleek: OUCH :smalleek:

Not necessarily. The father could have been the non-titan. :smallbiggrin:

arguskos
2008-12-28, 12:31 PM
As a note, I am fairly certain that Bastards & Bloodlines is a third-party supplement, which is why many people here haven't heard of these half-breeds.

newbDM
2008-12-28, 12:33 PM
As a note, I am fairly certain that Bastards & Bloodlines is a third-party supplement, which is why many people here haven't heard of these half-breeds.

It is. But like many 3rd party book, it is usually a better read than the official WotC stuff.

arguskos
2008-12-28, 12:36 PM
It is. But like many 3rd party book, it is usually a better read than the official WotC stuff.
That's true, that's true. (Savage Species anyone... >_>)

newbDM
2008-12-28, 12:41 PM
That's true, that's true. (Savage Species anyone... >_>)

Funny, I actually liked Savage Species. Sure it was cruel trick by WotC, but I liked it if only for the Racial Progression rules, which have come in handy for me as both a player and DM.

arguskos
2008-12-28, 12:44 PM
Funny, I actually liked Savage Species. Sure it was cruel trick by WotC, but I liked it if only for the Racial Progression rules, which have come in handy for me as both a player and DM.
It read like a train wreck on fire from hell. :smalltongue:

Personally, I hated the book. It dates from that stupid time somewhere between 3.0 and 3.5 when the design team had NO idea what rule set to use, and just sorta hoped for the best, and I can't stand that.

I like the idea behind the rules, but the implementation and the "wtf guys" rule set just puts me off something fierce. >_<

/rant

newbDM
2008-12-28, 01:03 PM
It read like a train wreck on fire from hell. :smalltongue:

Personally, I hated the book. It dates from that stupid time somewhere between 3.0 and 3.5 when the design team had NO idea what rule set to use, and just sorta hoped for the best, and I can't stand that.

I like the idea behind the rules, but the implementation and the "wtf guys" rule set just puts me off something fierce. >_<

/rant


True. And WotC later even admitted that they purposefully made Savage Species, the book meant to allow players to play monsters, a book to detour players from doing so.


Another thing I dislike about 4.0. They know a lot of us love to play monsters, yet after five editions they make it even harder?

Xyk
2008-12-28, 01:18 PM
But it's easy. Look in the back of the monster manual, they're practically player races...

Oh, you meant non-humanoid monsters...Nope, can't do that.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 01:24 PM
Or can you? (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Monstrous_Race_(4e_Race))

Asbestos
2008-12-28, 01:27 PM
Allear (Elf/Giant Eagle) - Bastard & Bloodlines

Alicorn (Elf/Unicorn) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Blinkling (Halfling/Blink Dog) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Burrower (Gnome/Umber Hulk) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Decatuar (Elf/Centaur) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Green Folk (Human/Lizardfolk) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Gnoll (Human/Gnoll) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Kuo-toa (Dwarf/Kuo-toa) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Krestel (Halfling/Harpy) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Lasher (Dwarf/Roper) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Lurker (Gnome/Cloaker) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Morlok (Gnome/Troglodyte) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Sthien (Elf/Naga) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Watcher (Dwarf/Gargoyle) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Wendigo (Dwarf/Frost Wolf) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Woodwose (Elf/Treant) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Wretch (Orc/Hag) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Half-Beholder (Anything/Beholder) - Bastards & Bloodlines



These are causing me to need the brain bleach.

Forgot Wisplings (halfling tiefling pretty much) and... shoot... what're the dwarf/devils called?

Threeshades
2008-12-28, 01:43 PM
The decataur doesn't make much sense to me. Aren't centaurs already described in the Monstermanual as having elf-like torsos?


I'm just keeping in mind that most of those crossbreeds are produced magically, that makes BnB readable.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 01:44 PM
The decataur doesn't make much sense to me. Aren't centaurs already described in the Monstermanual as having elf-like torsos?


I'm just keeping in mind that most of those crossbreeds are produced magically, that makes BnB readable.

It says it's more probable that Half-Beholders occur naturally :smallamused:

Otogi
2008-12-28, 01:49 PM
Sorry, just got it from Aasimar & Teifling. I'll change it right now.

KingGolem
2008-12-28, 01:53 PM
Forgot Wisplings (halfling tiefling pretty much) and... shoot... what're the dwarf/devils called?

The dwarf/devils are called maeluths. They're in Fiend Folio, right next to the mechanatrices, part human, part inevitable, and shyfts, part human, part whatever lives on the Ethereal Plane.

Dacia Brabant
2008-12-28, 01:59 PM
Half-Beholder (Anything/Beholder) - Bastards & Bloodlines

Okay, now there's some really messed up stuff on this list (half-ROPER?! someone been watching too much tentacle hentai) but this one I have to call shenanigans on. Aside from the fact it doesn't even make sense, Beholders are bar none the most xenophobic creatures in all of D&D. They won't even treat with any beholder that doesn't have the exact same look as they themselves do (which is to say, isn't from the same brood), so why in the Nine Hells would they--gah! I don't even want to think about it, though I'm sure there would be heavy doses of Polymorph Other involved, but still it's highly likely that the Beholder involved would be extremely unwilling no matter how it was done.

Oddly though the elf-treant one doesn't raise any eyebrows for me, I mean they are tree-huggers.

newbDM
2008-12-28, 02:05 PM
It says it's more probable that Half-Beholders occur naturally :smallamused:


Okay, now there's some really messed up stuff on this list (half-ROPER?! someone been watching too much tentacle hentai) but this one I have to call shenanigans on. Aside from the fact it doesn't even make sense, Beholders are bar none the most xenophobic creatures in all of D&D. They won't even treat with any beholder that doesn't have the exact same look as they themselves do (which is to say, isn't from the same brood), so why in the Nine Hells would they--gah! I don't even want to think about it, though I'm sure there would be heavy doses of Polymorph Other involved, but still it's highly likely that the Beholder involved would be extremely unwilling no matter how it was done.




http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f173/celestialkin/93b62f42.jpg

Not as unlikely as one might think...



Sorry, just got it from Aasimar & Teifling. I'll change it right now.

What?

Otogi
2008-12-28, 02:07 PM
Okay, now there's some really messed up stuff on this list (half-ROPER?! someone been watching too much tentacle hentai) but this one I have to call shenanigans on. Aside from the fact it doesn't even make sense, Beholders are bar none the most xenophobic creatures in all of D&D. They won't even treat with any beholder that doesn't have the exact same look as they themselves do (which is to say, isn't from the same brood), so why in the Nine Hells would they--gah! I don't even want to think about it, though I'm sure there would be heavy doses of Polymorph Other involved, but still it's highly likely that the Beholder involved would be extremely unwilling no matter how it was done.

Oddly though the elf-treant one doesn't raise any eyebrows for me, I mean they are tree-huggers.

Not necessarily. Unless, of course, you see ropers as having their genitals on their lashings, to witch you would be the one watching questionable erotica, sir. Besides, with all the variations and different species of beholder, coupled with the fact that they are outside nature, could result in some half-beholders. Besides, it's not like beholders are that understandable - it could be a psychological contradiction.

RTGoodman
2008-12-28, 02:09 PM
The Dragonlance Campaign Setting (3.5) also has Half-Kender, which means that, somewhere in the setting, there's at least one human (I guess) that put up with a Kender long enough to, you know, do the deed. :smalleek:

newbDM
2008-12-28, 02:12 PM
The Dragonlance Campaign Setting (3.5) also has Half-Kender, which means that, somewhere in the setting, there's at least one human (I guess) that put up with a Kender long enough to, you know, do the deed. :smalleek:

I have always liked kender and haling personalities myself. Some guys like spunky girls...

Otogi
2008-12-28, 02:14 PM
Okay, updated with Half-Kender and Half-Farspawn

Frog Dragon
2008-12-28, 02:19 PM
Are there official rules for a Gnome/Dwarf?

Dacia Brabant
2008-12-28, 02:22 PM
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f173/celestialkin/93b62f42.jpg

Not as unlikely as one might think...




What?

...

You were just waiting to use that, weren't you? :smalltongue:


Besides, with all the variations and different species of beholder, coupled with the fact that they are outside nature, could result in some half-beholders. Besides, it's not like beholders are that understandable - it could be a psychological contradiction.

I seem to remember each subspecies of Beholder being explained as a magical alteration of existing Beholders created for a specific purpose, like flying a ship or being able to cast spells.

As for Ropers, come on it's the obvious joke.


The Dragonlance Campaign Setting (3.5) also has Half-Kender, which means that, somewhere in the setting, there's at least one human (I guess) that put up with a Kender long enough to, you know, do the deed.

That's what Silence spells are for. :smallwink:

Nah you know what, you're right, even that's not enough. I'm surprised all the other races of Krynn haven't banded together to wipe them out for the good of the world. Tinker Gnomes too.

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 02:26 PM
there's a 3.5 dark sun?

Otogi
2008-12-28, 02:30 PM
Indeed, there is. (http://athas.org/)

Asbestos
2008-12-28, 02:32 PM
As for Ropers, come on it's the obvious joke.


I suppose there was some grappling involved, things got really awkward, and both parties slinked away avoiding eye contact.

Tingel
2008-12-28, 02:33 PM
List

The term is Tiefling, not Teifling.

"Hobogoblin" (sic) amuses me.

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 02:37 PM
Indeed, there is. (http://athas.org/)

kewl, had no idea that existed


The term is Tiefling, not Teifling.


Otogi,HOW DARE YOU MAKE A TYPO
HOW DARE YOU?

Otogi
2008-12-28, 02:39 PM
It wasn't me, it was the one armed man! How else do you expect typos?!

Tengu_temp
2008-12-28, 02:40 PM
I sense a fellow soul in the creator of Bastards & Bloodlines.

DiscipleofBob
2008-12-28, 02:45 PM
So what's the other half of a halfling?

Otogi
2008-12-28, 02:48 PM
So what's the other half of a halfling?

A ling, obviously.

Tingel
2008-12-28, 02:48 PM
Otogi,HOW DARE YOU MAKE A TYPO
HOW DARE YOU?
It wasn't a typo; Teifling was used exclusively and quite often within this thread, so it wasn't an accidental misspelling.

There are other mistakes in Otogi's list, but as they are obviously just typos I didn't mention them.

I only mentioned the Hobogoblin because I found it funny.

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 02:49 PM
It wasn't me, it was the one armed man! How else do you expect typos?!

You've gone to far, you made a typo that, as we can see from Tingel's post, IN NO WAY affected there ability to understand what you were trying to say. This upset them so much that they felt the need to draw attention to this.

"one armed man" indeed...

Otogi
2008-12-28, 02:51 PM
Now I feel a little scared :smalleek:

Anyway, for more half-breed madness, check out the Lineage Feats for 4e in my sig.

Tingel
2008-12-28, 02:53 PM
Again, it wasn't a typo. Orge Mage or Humaniod (both in Otogi's list) are simple typos and thus don't need to be pointed out, but Teifling was used so repeatedly that it has to be based on an actual misconception. Since the term means something, using the proper spelling is desirable, and Otogi or newbDM might actually care.

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 02:56 PM
Now I feel a little scared :smalleek:

Anyway, for more half-breed madness, check out the Lineage Feats for 4e in my sig.

Well, Its because of typo's that so many people got confused when people typed Rouge when trying to type rogue.

This confused many forum posters who come from a far off past (The 1980's i believe) before people started, commonly, using "blush" to refer to that type of cosmetic.


Again, it wasn't a typo. Orge Mage or Humaniod (both in Otogi's list) are simple typos and thus don't need to be pointed out, but Teifling was used so repeatedly that it has to be based on an actual misconception. Since the term means something, using the proper spelling is desirable, and Otogi or newbDM might actually care.

Tingel,

This obviously meant so much to you, that you felt the need to mention it.
I can only assume that your attempts to defend Otogi now are the result of threats against your life. It's ok, you don't have to give in to them. If brave people like you don't point out that others are misspelling words, who will?

Asbestos
2008-12-28, 02:57 PM
Now I feel a little scared :smalleek:

Anyway, for more half-breed madness, check out the Lineage Feats for 4e in my sig.

Off-topic but... so now everyone is going to be part Bugbear? They (WotC) really need to properly stat out Bugbears (like they did Minotaurs) so this silliness ends.

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 02:59 PM
Off-topic but... so now everyone is going to be part Bugbear? They (WotC) really need to properly stat out Bugbears (like they did Minotaurs) so this silliness ends.

I still Owlbear's to be the most disturbing of all...

Tingel
2008-12-28, 03:04 PM
I can only assume that your attempts to defend Otogi now are the result of threats against your life. It's ok, you don't have to give in to them.
I have no idea what you are trying to say.

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 03:09 PM
I have no idea what you are trying to say.


Ah, that's my fault, it would appear rereading that post, that I was disrespectful enough of my fellow forum users to misspell at least one word.
At one point, the misspelling was important enough to you that you felt the need to point it out.
Now, you're making it seem like its not a big deal
I have to assume that your change of heart came across due to people who misspell words making threats against your life.
Don't worry, I have alerted the proper authority's on your behalf. The world must be kept safe for those who point out the honest mistakes of others.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 03:13 PM
Okay, I think typos are mostly fixed.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 03:15 PM
Off-topic but... so now everyone is going to be part Bugbear? They (WotC) really need to properly stat out Bugbears (like they did Minotaurs) so this silliness ends.

Not if you think having a sword that does 1d10 damage is worth looking like fugly bear-man and wasting a heroic feat.

Asbestos
2008-12-28, 03:26 PM
Not if you think having a sword that does 1d10 damage is worth looking like fugly bear-man and wasting a heroic feat.

Yeah, but I've got feats to spare. A feat that let's you get the oversized weapon property is too much. The fact that the only other way to get it, besides being a bugbear, is through an epic destiny should mean something.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 03:30 PM
Yeah, but I've got feats to spare. A feat that let's you get the oversized weapon property is too much. The fact that the only other way to get it, besides being a bugbear, is through an epic destiny should mean something.

I wish there was another way to put it in, but I don't know how to make so that it isn't underpowered.

Zeful
2008-12-28, 03:39 PM
Aasimar (Human/Half-Celestial) - Monster Manual

Tiefling (Human/Half-Fiend) - Monster Manual

Can you explain your reasoning for this? I'm pretty sure the MM mentions something along the line tracing a blood line. And where do the Celestial and Fiendish templates fit in. After all Celestials are mentioned in the description.

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 03:42 PM
Sorry everybody

Re: idiocy



You failed to realize the difference between a typo and a genuine misspelling and started to belittle me.


Sorry every body, I failed to realize what an idiot i am.
My bad

newbDM
2008-12-28, 04:03 PM
This has me pondering, has there ever been a published (WotC or 3rd party) half-human/half-halfling, half-elf/half-halfling, and/or a half-gnome/half-halfling?



...

You were just waiting to use that, weren't you? :smalltongue:


You have no idea. At least two years. :smallbiggrin:

Tingel
2008-12-28, 04:06 PM
This has me pondering, has there ever been a published (WotC or 3rd party) half-gnome/half-halfling?
I know this isn't 3.5, but there's a gnomeling base race in HackMaster.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 04:06 PM
Can you explain your reasoning for this? I'm pretty sure the MM mentions something along the line tracing a blood line. And where do the Celestial and Fiendish templates fit in. After all Celestials are mentioned in the description.

Aasimar and Tieflings are the grandchildren of Half-Celestials and Half-Fiends, while Celestial and Fiendish creatures are simply creatures who are native to upper and lower planes respectably.

newbDM
2008-12-28, 04:07 PM
I know this isn't 3.5, but there's a gnomeling base race in HackMaster.

Damn. So close. :smallfrown:


Although, I am guessing their story is quite hilarious.

newbDM
2008-12-28, 04:08 PM
Aasimar and Tieflings are the grandchildren of Half-Celestials and Half-Fiends, while Celestial and Fiendish creatures are simply creatures who are native to upper and lower planes respectably.

But again, why categorize them as human, when the entries do not detail them as such?

Otogi
2008-12-28, 04:15 PM
But again, why categorize them as human, when the entries do not detail them as such?

Because their in the Races of Destiny, and beside that, ever since they came out they've always been described as being part human, as it says in the PS boxset.

Zeful
2008-12-28, 04:16 PM
Because their in the Races of Destiny, and beside that, ever since they came out they've always been described as being part human, as it says in the PS boxset.

Part human =/= half human

Otogi
2008-12-28, 04:18 PM
Part human =/= half human

Alright, human with outsider blood.

Inhuman Bot
2008-12-28, 04:48 PM
That is a creepy list.

Mechatrice.

WTF!

and the elf/naga?

I'll have nightmares for weeks.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 04:52 PM
Eh, I've seen worst lists. Most Terrible Looking Sex Toy comes to mind. :smalleek:

lisiecki
2008-12-28, 04:55 PM
Eh, I've seen worst lists. Most Terrible Looking Sex Toy comes to mind. :smalleek:

I dono...

Im fairly sure watching a beholder mate with...
ANYTHING
Would be worse than watching any human use any sex toy, no matter how soul crushing

Otogi
2008-12-28, 04:56 PM
I dono...

Im fairly sure watching a beholder mate with...
ANYTHING
Would be worse than watching any human use any sex toy, no matter how soul crushing

Ah, but we don't know about the sex, just the result.

Vexxation
2008-12-28, 05:08 PM
Wait, Tingel really got attacked for correcting spelling?
Seriously?
:frown:

Anyway. Those Bastards & Bloodlines creatures frighten me. I may well have nightmares regarding them.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 05:09 PM
Alright, back on topic, are there any other half-breeds out there?

Trizap
2008-12-28, 05:09 PM
..........I don't see how any of the things listed here could give you nightmares

:smallconfused:

Vexxation
2008-12-28, 05:11 PM
..........I don't see how any of the things listed here could give you nightmares

:smallconfused:

Wendigos.
Seriously.
Dwarf + Wolf?

Awkward for the midwife...

Trizap
2008-12-28, 05:14 PM
Wendigos.
Seriously.
Dwarf + Wolf?

Awkward for the midwife...

dwarf + wolf? hm. weird, but would make a cool dwarf/wolf hybrid, he would be his own best friend, be very loyal, and would be totally badass

esorscher
2008-12-28, 05:33 PM
Wow. After reading through all of that, I'm going to point out one thing:

Why do we assume that all these pairings are consensual? Ropers have needs too, and, well, a dwarf hole feels just like any other hole.

Maybe a bit hairier.

newbDM
2008-12-28, 07:30 PM
That is a creepy list.

Mechatrice.

WTF!

and the elf/naga?

I'll have nightmares for weeks.


Says the person with the username Slaanesh, and a Slaanesh chaos space marine for an avatar. :smalleek:


I figured this would be right up your alley...

Agrippa
2008-12-28, 07:59 PM
I sense a fellow soul in the creator of Bastards & Bloodlines.

Um, what are you talking about Tengu? Please explain yourself.

Tengu_temp
2008-12-28, 08:01 PM
Um, what are you talking about Tengu? Please explain yourself.

I, as well, like to disturb people. I thought up a Bukkake Monk once, who attacked his enemies by... well, yeah. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, ask Wikipedia about "bukkake". Do NOT try google!)

Otogi
2008-12-28, 08:24 PM
I, as well, like to disturb people. I thought up a Bukkake Monk once, who attacked his enemies by... well, yeah. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, ask Wikipedia about "bukkake". Do NOT try google!)

Not to be antagonistic, but that's not freaky, just gross. Not a lot of story and depth can be found in the character class.

Tengu_temp
2008-12-28, 08:26 PM
Not to be antagonistic, but that's not freaky, just gross. Not a lot of story and depth can be found in the character class.

Eh, don't worry, I just wanted to give an example everyone would understand. Most of my weird stuff is less inappropriate, but more niche.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 08:30 PM
It's alright, no harm in the the absurd and gross. Anyway, are there any more known half-breeds?

SurlySeraph
2008-12-28, 08:48 PM
I don't know of any more half-breeds. There might be a few templates like Shadow that could be caused by either breeding or magic, but probably not many more. And, after this, I don't WANT to know of any more.


Burrower (Gnome/Umber Hulk) - Bastards & Bloodlines

WHAT? Clearly this was some misprint - they can't actually have thought it would make sense to -


Lasher (Dwarf/Roper)

Oh. Well -


Lurker (Gnome/Cloaker)

Never mind, then. Okay, those are really damn weird, but there has to be some justification for -


]Wendigo (Dwarf/Frost Wolf)

What did the dwarves and gnomes do to the author of that book that gave him such a big grudge against them? Or does he have some kind of dwarf/tentacle monster or gnome/sentient clothing/giant insect fetish?


mechanatrices, part human, part inevitable.

... how? How? Even without getting into the mechanics, what on earth would make an Inevitable stop pursuing its prey for long enough to have a romantic relationship? I mean, I kind of want to play one of those now, but they make no sense whatsoever. I'm thinking an adventurer who keeps waking up in the middle of the night with a sudden urge to find and punish oathbreakers and wanders off.


The Dragonlance Campaign Setting (3.5) also has Half-Kender, which means that, somewhere in the setting, there's at least one human (I guess) that put up with a Kender long enough to, you know, do the deed. :smalleek:

And the ungrateful little bastard probably stole the contents of said humans nightstand afterwards.

Dacia Brabant
2008-12-28, 08:50 PM
Why do we assume that all these pairings are consensual?

I... don't think anyone was assuming that.

I mean, half-gnome/half-umber hulk, or /half-cloaker, or /half-troglodyte? Man those gnomes are evil. Do we need any more proof that they belong in the Monster Manual? :smalltongue:


Anyway, are there any more known half-breeds?

I didn't see Draegloth (half-drow/half-demon) on your list.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 08:50 PM
I actually like the races. They don't really seem creepy to me. Half-breeds are my favorite characters, really.

Otogi
2008-12-28, 08:51 PM
I... don't think anyone was assuming that.

I mean, half-gnome/half-umber hulk, or /half-cloaker, or /half-troglodyte? Man those gnomes are evil. Do we need any more proof that they belong in the Monster Manual? :smalltongue:



I didn't see Draegloth (half-drow/half-demon) on your list.


You mean the half-fiend?

arguskos
2008-12-28, 08:53 PM
You mean the half-fiend?
No, it has unique mechanics, and is not a template. The Draegloth deserves to be on this list if a gnome/umber hulk is!

Otogi
2008-12-28, 09:03 PM
No, it has unique mechanics, and is not a template. The Draegloth deserves to be on this list if a gnome/umber hulk is!

Well, I have to admit, even though Drow/Demon is more or less just a template away from a Draegloth and Gnome/Umberhulk is crazy **** that deserves to be a truest example of a half-breed, that point is something I must abide by. Going up now.

Trizap
2008-12-28, 09:08 PM
I actually like the races. They don't really seem creepy to me. Half-breeds are my favorite characters, really.

yea, you get do look and do stuff that you normally can't, very cool, its like evolution or something.

newbDM
2008-12-28, 09:26 PM
Well, the officially licensed 3.5 book Dangerous Denizens has a whole section titled Half-Races starting at p.201.


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f173/celestialkin/d5fb519d.jpg


Races in said book:

The "adumark". A half-dwarf/half-human.
The "haragitu". A half-githzerai/half-human.
The "vraaark"(in Gnoll)(has various other names names depending on the given culture). A half-gnoll/half-human.
The Half-Gnomes, the Half-Forest Gnomes, and the Half-Deep Gnomes.
The "fieri". A half-goblin/half-human.
The "vrastand". A half-human/half-satry.




I am also a big fan of half-breeds, so this was a must-have book for me. I highly suggest it OP.

Lycar
2008-12-29, 02:31 PM
Hrm, it just surprises me nobody has posted a link to http://andersson.elfwood.com/ yet.

Especially this (http://andersson.elfwood.com/family_gathering_colored.jpg.html) picture. :smallwink:

Lycar

Telonius
2008-12-29, 02:41 PM
... how? How? Even without getting into the mechanics, what on earth would make an Inevitable stop pursuing its prey for long enough to have a romantic relationship? I mean, I kind of want to play one of those now, but they make no sense whatsoever. I'm thinking an adventurer who keeps waking up in the middle of the night with a sudden urge to find and punish oathbreakers and wanders off.

Seems to me it must have been a Mechanus experiment gone awry - an Inevitable of Sappy Love Songs.


Sooner or later,
Love is gonna get you,
Sooner or later,
Love is gonna win!

So, good for a Bard maybe?

SurlySeraph
2008-12-29, 02:55 PM
Seems to me it must have been a Mechanus experiment gone awry - an Inevitable of Sappy Love Songs.

So, good for a Bard maybe?

Statement: You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment is what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other Inevitable

Statement: I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

Statement: I am never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you...

arguskos
2008-12-29, 02:56 PM
Statement: You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment is what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other Inevitable

Statement: I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

Statement: I am never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you...
PAIN. AUGH, MY BRAIN! IT WEEPS!!

Also, I like that last one. :smallwink:

Agrippa
2008-12-29, 03:59 PM
Eh, don't worry, I just wanted to give an example everyone would understand. Most of my weird stuff is less inappropriate, but more niche.

I like some weird things too. Mostly things such as Good-aligned necromancers, my black dove prestige class idea (staff chick Shadow Hand ninja), generally freaky crossovers like a Doctor Who/Final Fantasy VII/first Highlander movie/Warhammer 40,000 (at the least) one, as either a fanfic (not bloody likely from me) or a campaign and epiliptic trees in general. I relish the thought of Davros as the creator of JENOVA. Probably tame compared to your standard ideas I'm sure.

Shademan
2008-12-29, 04:27 PM
well I tried 4E once, and in that adventure I was playing a dragonborn married to a elf. he had three children and even more grandchildren.
I tried to ask others on the forum what they thought the offsprings would.... well.... BE.
they did not like the idea.
AT ALL!

FMArthur
2008-12-29, 11:02 PM
Changeling (Human/Half-Doppleganger) - Eberron Campaign Guide

Changelings are "half-doppleganger"s. A human/changeling pairing still produces a changeling, but the main thing is that human/doppleganger unions are what initially bred changelings.

Inhuman Bot
2008-12-29, 11:37 PM
Says the person with the username Slaanesh, and a Slaanesh chaos space marine for an avatar. :smalleek:


I figured this would be right up your alley...

No, that only proves how disturbing this is.

Inhuman Bot
2008-12-29, 11:39 PM
I, as well, like to disturb people. I thought up a Bukkake Monk once, who attacked his enemies by... well, yeah. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, ask Wikipedia about "bukkake". Do NOT try google!)

................................

WHAT. THE. HELL!

:smalleek:
(sorry for double posting, editing has too much lag)

By the way, feel proud, as you managed to disrturb me :smalltongue:

Vexxation
2008-12-29, 11:50 PM
Changelings are "half-doppleganger"s. A human/changeling pairing still produces a changeling, but the main thing is that human/doppleganger unions are what initially bred changelings.

Nitpick for OP:
The perfectionist in me would also point out that Changlings are listed as from the "Eberron Campaign Guide". It should in fact be "Setting".

Also, esorscher: I don't think anyone here honestly would expect all of these to be voluntary... Some would be just plain... unforgivable.

kamikasei
2008-12-30, 01:22 AM
Changelings are "half-doppleganger"s. A human/changeling pairing still produces a changeling, but the main thing is that human/doppleganger unions are what initially bred changelings.

Changelings are to half-dopplegangers what tieflings are to half-fiends. They're not the product of direct unions but many, many generations of mixed descent.

Prak
2008-12-30, 02:46 AM
This has me pondering, has there ever been a published (WotC or 3rd party) half-human/half-halfling, half-elf/half-halfling, and/or a half-gnome/half-halfling?
well, I know that the 3.5 novels had Lidda and gimble as a possible pairing, so...


Most Terrible Looking Sex Toy
I'd like to see that list out of morbid curiosity...


Wow. After reading through all of that, I'm going to point out one thing:

Why do we assume that all these pairings are consensual? Ropers have needs too, and, well, a dwarf hole feels just like any other hole.

Maybe a bit hairier.
I've got B&B, I can shed some light...
aeller tend to be the result of elves liking flying so much that they spend significant periods of time polymorphed as giant eagles, and, well giant eagles are, IIRC, sentient, so... things happen.
Wendigo tend to be the result of dwarves getting lost in snowy areas, going feral, and joining a pack of winter wolves.
Lashers are the old arcane experiment idea.
Burrower (half gnome/umber hulk is the result of an umber hulk priest performing a complex ritual to evil elemental gods.
Lurkers are the result of a gnome trying to shadow walk through a cloaker, or the children of such accidents.
Morlocks (Gnome/Troglodyte) are the result of gnomes being exiled into the underdark by the gods and being accepted into Trog settlements as, basically, teachers and artists.

Mercenary Pen
2008-12-30, 05:41 AM
Has anyone mentioned the Ogrillon? Half-Ogre, half-orc.

Moonshadow
2008-12-30, 05:46 AM
What, no love for Owlbears? they are half-owl/half-bear, after all, so don't they fit?