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Vaarsuvius4181
2009-01-03, 08:34 PM
What, around, are the levels of the characters when they started, and now? I dont play DandD so i dont really know how to tell.

Assassin89
2009-01-03, 08:50 PM
Ther entire party started at 7th-9th level at the start (http://www.giantitp.com/FAQ.html#faq6a), but now they are at least 13th level or greater due to the following:

Durkon almost cast holy word in #556 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0556.html)
Haley has improved uncanny dodge (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0604.html)

Zevox
2009-01-03, 08:59 PM
Ther entire party started at 7th-9th level at the start (http://www.giantitp.com/FAQ.html#faq6a), but now they are at least 13th level or greater due to the following:

Durkon almost cast holy word in #556 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0556.html)
Haley has improved uncanny dodge (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0604.html)

Also, V casting Prismatic Spray in #591 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0591.html) means she is at least 13th level too.

Zevox

Scarlet Knight
2009-01-03, 09:11 PM
x is the baseline level for playing every adventure.

:durkon:,:elan:,:haley:,& :vaarsuvius: should be about x (13?)

:belkar: is x-1 due to wight battle (12?)

:roy: is x-y where y are the adventures missed while dead. (9?)

Optimystik
2009-01-03, 09:12 PM
Rather than rehash pages and pages of speculation and rhetoric, I'll just direct the OP to the Geekery (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95005) thread on this very topic. Chances are good also that both Haley and Belkar got significant exp from the Greysky adventure.

Zevox
2009-01-03, 09:38 PM
:belkar: is x-1 due to wight battle (12?)
Unlikely. He gets a save after 24 hours to get that level back, and since it's with his best save (fortitude) vs a low DC (14), he'd have to roll absolutely horridly to fail (probably fails only a 1, or at worst a 2-3).


:roy: is x-y where y are the adventures missed while dead. (9?)
Roy hasn't been dead anywhere near that long. The rest of the Order has only been on one sub-plot adventure each since his death. And if he was on par with everyone else during the Battle of Azure City, he was level 13 then - V was able to cast Mass Enlarge Person on 13 people in #427 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html), which requires level 13 as well.

Zevox

[TS] Shadow
2009-01-03, 11:01 PM
Eugene also says that Roy was the "highest level good character," so I wouldn't rule out 14 or 15, either.

factotum
2009-01-04, 02:56 AM
Unlikely. He gets a save after 24 hours to get that level back, and since it's with his best save (fortitude) vs a low DC (14), he'd have to roll absolutely horridly to fail (probably fails only a 1, or at worst a 2-3).


More to the point, the whole joke there was that he got level drained immediately after gaining a level--so if he started at level 13, he became level 14 for about five seconds, then the Wight inflicted a negative level on him. Even if he failed his save, that would leave him at level 13 as before.

Tempest Fennac
2009-01-04, 03:01 AM
One other possibility regarding the negative levels is that the resistance may have had Restoration scrolls (we know some were looted from the temple, and it would have made sense to use them if they were available). I know that Haley and Belkar never bothered to mention the negative levels after they got them, so it's hard to tell whether they stayed or not.

Tredrick
2009-01-04, 02:07 PM
x is the baseline level for playing every adventure.

:durkon:,:elan:,:haley:,& :vaarsuvius: should be about x (13?)

:belkar: is x-1 due to wight battle (12?)

:roy: is x-y where y are the adventures missed while dead. (9?)

:belkar: is x-z due to multiclass experience penalty where x equals the total experience awarded, not level.

Berserk Monk
2009-01-04, 02:48 PM
Well I don't know what Rich did, but I'm pretty sure every PC has to start at level 1 and work their way up. I heard a rumor once a PC that started at level 10 and worked his way down to level 3 and anther about this guy who went from level 4 to 9 to 2 to 12 to 36. At least 13 as for current. That's the minimum level required for prismatic spray, a 7th level spell.

Ancalagon
2009-01-04, 03:52 PM
A GM can let his characters start at whatever level he wants to.

And there are quite a few proofs that the party did not start as level 1. Some even do not seem to start as level 1 in Origin of PCs (Belkar was basically the same level as he was at the start of The Web Comic).

NerfTW
2009-01-04, 05:56 PM
Well I don't know what Rich did, but I'm pretty sure every PC has to start at level 1 and work their way up. I heard a rumor once a PC that started at level 10 and worked his way down to level 3 and anther about this guy who went from level 4 to 9 to 2 to 12 to 36. At least 13 as for current. That's the minimum level required for prismatic spray, a 7th level spell.

As mentioned in the FAQ linked near the start of this thread, the comic started with the characters around level seven. They very clearly were not level one. They had also all been adventuring for a while in Origin of PCs, as shown by Roy and Durkon's adventures and talking about leveling up, Haley telling V about how much faster she's been leveling, and Elan having a long standing career as a Bard.

Also, PCs can start off at whatever level the campaign needs them to be. It's not a "rumor", it's common practice.

mroozee
2009-01-05, 02:41 AM
Also, PCs can start off at whatever level the campaign needs them to be. It's not a "rumor", it's common practice.

Berserk Monk is a Dwarf in the Playground with a couple hundred posts (since joining in July!) on a wide range of D&D and OOTS topics and claims to have played D&D for about 5 years including DM'ing. So I'm guessing it was a joke.

Optimystik
2009-01-05, 03:06 AM
Berserk Monk is a Dwarf in the Playground with a couple hundred posts (since joining in July!) on a wide range of D&D and OOTS topics and claims to have played D&D for about 5 years including DM'ing. So I'm guessing it was a joke.

The internet does not lend itself well to sarcasm, sadly.