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Kurtulmak
2009-01-15, 01:10 PM
So, I'm playing a Warlock. Mid-Level. Sickly huge UMD, as all Warlocks should have.
We already have a wizard (albit one that went specialist for some reason and can't cast Conjuration), and a Druid, so my job is mostly to fill in the gaps and act as backup. That's fine.
I already have a Wand of Cure Light, thanks for asking.

So, I'm wondering, what are some good, handy scrolls to bring along on the adventure?
Assume I can't cast anything higher than 7th level, because.. well, I can't.
Any suggestions?

Fax Celestis
2009-01-15, 01:18 PM
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Bugbeartrap
2009-01-15, 01:20 PM
Awww... I'm proud to see another warlock growing up into mid-levels.

I used to carry around scrolls of desecrate, so that when I used Animate Dead they would be super buff ( a favorite trick I used to pull on dead BBEGs). I had to give this up though after I used it on the Hydra that my party just killed, because it was so broken. So many... attacks... per round... shudder...

I also carried a scroll of plane shift to Ysgard, as well as one to the Material Plane, and a scroll of revenance. Why you ask? Well... without a cleric we had no easy raise dead so, if anyone died we would "bring them back to life" with revenance, plane shift to Ysgard where they would die again, wait till morning for a true ressurection, and then plane shift back home (I believe I also paid for a scroll of teleport because plane shift doesn't put you anywhere close to where you want to go). Teleport scrolls as well as summon monster may be good for your party if your wizard doesnt know conjuration (a foolish choice of school to give up IMO). Another excellent, multipurpose conjuration is Glitterdust. It blinds, it highlights invisibles with no save! It may even be worth a wand! Scratch that, if your mid-level, everyones going to be making the save against blindness, just use it for your invisible enemies.

Have you checked out Logic Ninja's or Solo's guides?

Kurald Galain
2009-01-15, 01:27 PM
You sure you want to? Your UMD failure chance on scrolls is going to be pretty bad (as opposed to that for wands and wondrous stuff).

Adumbration
2009-01-15, 01:36 PM
You sure you want to? Your UMD failure chance on scrolls is going to be pretty bad (as opposed to that for wands and wondrous stuff).

You do realize that he can take 10, removing any chance of mishap?

monty
2009-01-15, 01:53 PM
What exactly is your UMD score, assuming you take 10?

Kurtulmak
2009-01-15, 02:23 PM
What exactly is your UMD score, assuming you take 10?

30. Well, for scrolls, it's 32, from synergy. I'm level 11. (Good CHA, Max Ranks, Took Skill Focus early on as a filler feat). I'm not really optimized, honestly, more concept than munchkinized, but I can sure cast me some scrolls.
The '7th Level Limit' isn't so much a problem with my score as it is a constriction in the DM's world. There just aren't that many high level characters, and spells beyond that grade become near difficult to find.
Hypothetically I'd become pretty high society in the campaign world once I hit the next level and gain the power to make any scroll I want.

I'm just wondering what the heck to actually get.

woodenbandman
2009-01-15, 06:49 PM
Get wands and scrolls of good battlefield control spells, preferably ones that don't require saves to screw people: Web, Forcecage, Solid Fog, etc. Also a good choice are all day long buffs, such as Greater Magic Weapon. As always it's a priority to make sure that you're not just casting what the wizard is casting. If your wizard knows, say, polymorph, you can still use that, but if he is using web every turn, don't you go ahead and do that too.

Does your druid heal for you, with Vigorous circle and such? If not, you can UMD wants of lesser vigor. If the wizard doesn't do rope trick, you can do that.

Tehnar
2009-01-16, 03:11 AM
Hmm I think you might have miscalculated your UMD score:

10+14 ranks+ 5 (ballpark, probably more) (charisma)+3(skill focus)=32, 34 with scrolls.

34 would allow you to emulate caster level 14, and emulate a 19 in any ability scroll. So you could theoretically cast lvl 8 scrolls.


Now what I suggest is that you ask the DM how he will make a ruling on your warlock using staves. If he allows you to use your UMD check to emulate a caster level and ability score, and use those when using a staff, that is great, in some instances bordering on the overpowered, if you can manage to crank your UMD high enough. Naturally you take the craft staff feat at 12 and go to town.

Note: this doesnt work by RAW (actually not sure if by RAW warlocks can use staffs at all), and a reasonable houserule would be to when using staffs to use your warlock level instead of the caster level, and your CHA instead of the ability required by the spell. This still makes staff usage good.

To answer your original question:
- usefull scrolls are of those spells that dont depend on caster level or save DC
- since I see you dont have a cleric, I would probably load up on cleric only spells for emergency situations: restoration, death ward, remove curse, remove paralysis, etc
- my personal favorites are revivify, teleport, wall of force
- also dont forget to pick up scrolls of highly situational but oftimes usefull spells such as: stone to flesh

Burley
2009-01-16, 09:39 AM
For those scrolls that are really useful, like Glitterdust and such, I'd suggest getting one of those Everlasting Gobstopper Wands from the Magic Item Compendium (can't remember the actual name).
Having a scroll of those spells makes you not want to use it, because then it's gone. Having a ever-wand lets you use it a few times a day, then it recharges. You'll ration it, but not feel bad for using it.

Bugbeartrap
2009-01-16, 05:51 PM
The Eternal Wands can be found in the Magic Item Compendium or the Eberron Campaign Setting. They're about the same price as a wand of the same spell and don't ever run out of charges, but you can only use them a couple times a day. They're good for situational spells, not cure light wounds or anything you want to be really flexible with.