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Leliel
2009-01-22, 10:45 PM
From Wizards:


Alright, now before the flamers get outa hand, this is NOT an accusitory thread that D&D 4e is "To Anime".

It is, in fact, inspired by my DMs latest game in which every character had to pick a anime, video game, or book character and make them into a 4e D&D character and how best to do it.

In my party, we have Tuxedo Mask, Young Link, Ganondorf, Vash, and One of the Ray earth girls (Can't remember which one).

So, here is the example. Tuxedo Mask would be best represented by a human Rogue, with specialty in dagger throwing. High dex and high cha, he would eventually paragon path into daggermaster.

Young Link is a elf fighter, who uses a long sword and light shield (Until he gets the hyrulian shield of course, then it's heavy!;)). He carries several vials of alchemic fire as "Bombs", the mounted combat feat so he can ride "Epona" and carries a shortbow. He also keeps a climbers kit on him for the grappling hook.

Ganondorf is a drow dark pact warlock, multi classed to fighter. He carries a massive sword he uses in a pinch, but mostly it's the darkness blasts.

I know the least about our vash, except that he is a ranger (For the speed shiftyness) with a repeating crossbow for a gun, and a warforged arm with a great crossbow component.

And i don't really know anything about the ray earth girl, except that she's filling the healer girl.

The point of this thread? Critique these, come up with your own, and figure out which would be best. For example, what would YOUR favorite character be? Or perhaps, might their be a better path for link than fighter?

Since I like the Tales series, I'll do some of their villains:

Yggdrasil (the Desian leader in Symphonia): Evil Half-Elf Cleric with Overland Flight and Teleport abilities.

Duke (the ultimate villain of Vesperia): Unaligned Human Swordmage (Unaligned since he's open-minded enough to accept he's wrong at the end of the game and helps the party out of alturism before then).

Dhaos (Phantasia): Evil Eldarin Starlock

Flynn (the "rival" character of Vesperia): LG Human Paladin (beacuse you don't need to be Evil to get in the way.)

Ragou and Cumore (Vesperia villains): Chaotic Evil Aristocrats (play the game. If you do not cheer when Yuri kills them, you are offically Lawful Stupid.)

Kaun
2009-01-22, 10:56 PM
Just looking at the original quote, why would anybody want to play a Vash style chr is beyond me.. In a game about killing stuff and getting loot playing a chr that is uterly apposed to killing anything would be hard and more or less irritating.

and befor anybody says "playing chrs like that can be fun to RP blah blah" Yes that is true in a game where everybody else is on a similar page but with the other chr archtypes in the group its like playing hungrey hungrey hippos but refusing to use a hippo.





... hmmm im not sure that made sence

Mando Knight
2009-01-22, 10:56 PM
Young Link is so definitely a halfling and older Link is an Elf!

Anyway... here's (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5014633&postcount=19) His Majesty, the Honorable Lord Ike the Manly, Hero of Crimea, Savior of Tellius, Hero of the Blue Flame, and Father of Sothe's Children:
(reprinted here)

IKE

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/ike/ike.jpg

PC Stats, as of the end of Radiant Dawn:
Fighter/Iron Vanguard/Chosen of Yune (mechanically, as of Selune) 30
Medium natural humanoid (human)
Initiative +20
Senses Perception/Insight +17, passive 27
HP: 236 Bloodied: 118 Surge: 59 Surges/Day: 16
AC: 49 Fort: 41 Ref: 41 Will: 34
Speed: 6

Powers Known:
At-Will: Cleave, Reaping Strike, Tide of Iron
Encounter: Warrior's Challenge (Lv. 17), Frontline Surge (Iron Vanguard 11), Aether (outlined above), Adamantine Strike (Lv. 27)
Daily: Reaving Strike (Lv. 19), Supremacy of Steel (Lv. 25, Reliable), No Mercy (Lv. 29, Reliable), Indomitable Strength (Iron Vanguard 20, Healing)
Utility: Inexorable Shift (Iron Vanguard 12, encounter), No Surrender (Lv. 22, daily, Healing), Interposing Shield (Lv. 16, encounter), Stalwart Guard (Lv. 10, daily), Unbreakable (Lv. 6, encounter), No Opening (Lv. 2, encounter), Waking Fortune (Chosen of Yune Lv. 26, daily)

Fighter/Iron Vanguard/Chosen Class Features:
Combat Challenge, Combat Superiority, Fighter Weapon Talent (1-handed) (PHB 76); Enduring Warrior, Ferocious Reaction, Trample the Fallen (PHB 86); Divine Spark (to STR & DEX), Divine Recovery, Divine Miracle (FR PG 72, same as Demigod, PHB 175)

Race Features: Bonus Feat, Bonus Skill, Bonus At-Will, Human Defense Bonuses (PHB 46)

Feats: (19) Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword), Weapon Focus (Heavy Blades), Toughness, Blade Opportunist, Armor Specialization (Scale), Heavy Blade Opportunity, Heavy Blade Mastery, Epic Resurgence, Defensive Advantage, Action Recovery, Durable, Human Perseverance, Action Surge, Power Attack, Fleet-Footed, Potent Challenge, Combat Anticipation, Improved Initiative, Evasion

Alignment: Good; Languages: Common, ? other (no other non-secret language in campaign world)
Skills: Athletics (+27), Endurance (+18), Intimidate (+21)

STR: 28 (+9, +24)
CON: 21 (+5, +20)
DEX: 20 (+5, +20)
INT: 13 (+1, +16)
WIS: 14 (+2, +17)
CHA: 12 (+1, +16)

Equipment: Ragnell (+6 version), +6 Elderscale (flavored as partial plate, unknown other properties), Heavy Shield (flavored as massive vambrace, possible enchantment), +6 cloak (unknown enchantment), bandana (likely enchanted), various healing potions and other items, several million gp, leadership over force of epic-level characters.

Reverent-One
2009-01-23, 12:46 AM
Just looking at the original quote, why would anybody want to play a Vash style chr is beyond me.. In a game about killing stuff and getting loot playing a chr that is uterly apposed to killing anything would be hard and more or less irritating.

You forget how easy it is to do non-lethal damage in 4e, you just have to say you want to knock it unconsicious rather than kill it, which would work for Vash. Then you can tie them up or come up with some other idea to keep them from continuing to try to kill you.

Aron Times
2009-01-23, 01:24 AM
Lelouch is a resourceful warlord (high int and cha, low str) with Beguiling Influence (Warlock Utility 2). Basically, Lelouch got his Geass by making a pact with C.C. In 4E, pact = warlock.

Haruhi is a level 40 greater god.

The Pactio system in Negima makes Magister Magi warlock patrons. Negi's Ministra Magi literally made a pact (Pactio) with him.

Most shinigami and arrancar in Bleach are swordmages, with their Flash Steps (teleportation) and sword releases (dailies). Zaraki Kenpachi, of course, is an anomaly, being a fighter, albeit an insanely powerful fighter.

Light Yagami is a tactical warlord with the Death Note artifact.

I'll post more later.

FoE
2009-01-23, 01:51 AM
Haruhi is a level 40 greater god.

I'll never bow down to your God of Low Attention Spans! NEVER!

Zeful
2009-01-23, 02:16 AM
Just looking at the original quote, why would anybody want to play a Vash style character is beyond me.. In a game about killing stuff and getting loot playing a character that is utterly apposed to killing anything would be hard and more or less irritating.

and before anybody says "playing characters like that can be fun to RP blah blah" Yes that is true in a game where everybody else is on a similar page but with the other character archetypes in the group its like playing hungry hungry hippos but refusing to use a hippo.

... hmmm I'm not sure that made sense

Okay first, you can play a pacifist character in D&D, it's not hard and only mildly annoying (because if the villain's still standing he'll let him escape). All you do is personally not kill anything yourself (or if you wish to be non-violent, debuff). A pacifist can fit into any group of character archetypes and still contribute. The only time it's hard to play a pacifist is when the other players believe that the ideal is stupid and force the pacifist to do dangerous things as part of a "lesson". Those people are, at best, idiots who's intelligence could not be favorably compared to a table, and at worst Stupid Evil versions of Miko.

Second, can you please take a little more time writing your posts? There was really no need for the "chr" abbreviation of character. It may take less time to write but all it takes is one sleep deprived person to try and read it and ask "What's chr?" which wastes more time than is saved. Though I can't use any magic powers to force you, I can ask politely.

So: http://wallpapers.free-review.net/wallpapers/16/Shrek_3_-_Cat.jpg Pwease?

Archpaladin Zousha
2009-01-23, 02:26 AM
From Wizards: *snip*

Hnh! I actually know Matthais777. I'll have to let him know his thread's getting some more publicity.:smallsmile:

Nerd-o-rama
2009-01-23, 02:37 AM
I'll never bow down to your God of Low Attention Spans! NEVER!What were we talking about again?

I'm wondering if Sousuke Sagara is a Ranger or a Rogue...in 4e, probably a Rogue. Not really big on two-weapon fighting or sniping in particular. Dex/Int Rogue, no Charisma to speak of. Kurz and Mao are Ranger and Fighter respectively, I guess. Kaname's the weirdest Inspiring Warlord I've ever seen, but she definitely is one. I wonder if Tessa's useful enough in a tactical (as opposed to strategic) situation to be a Tactical Warlord...

That's the last show I watched, and what was I saying about my attention span? No, seriously.

skywalker
2009-01-23, 02:57 AM
Okay first, you can play a pacifist character in D&D, it's not hard and only mildly annoying (because if the villain's still standing he'll let him escape). All you do is personally not kill anything yourself (or if you wish to be non-violent, debuff). A pacifist can fit into any group of character archetypes and still contribute. The only time it's hard to play a pacifist is when the other players believe that the ideal is stupid and force the pacifist to do dangerous things as part of a "lesson". Those people are, at best, idiots who's intelligence could not be favorably compared to a table, and at worst Stupid Evil versions of Miko.

Actually, the most frequent problem with a pacifist is that they also tend to think "We shouldn't take their stuff, since that's just as wrong as killing them!" They also tend to roleplay pacifism by encouraging (browbeating) their fellow party members not to kill. That's frequently (always) a problem. The Book of Exalted Deeds does not help with this. Generally speaking, "non-violent" characters have taken the feats in that book, which specifically prevent you from even assisting your fellow party members in killing (even by de-buffing).

I agree about the typing, tho. This:

and befor anybody says "playing chrs like that can be fun to RP blah blah" Yes that is true in a game where everybody else is on a similar page but with the other chr archtypes in the group its like playing hungrey hungrey hippos but refusing to use a hippo.

would be sig material if it were more clearly typed.

Crow
2009-01-23, 03:02 AM
Yggdrasil (the Desian leader in Symphonia)

Originally a big tree.

Panda-s1
2009-01-23, 03:13 AM
I think it goes without saying, but Kamina is an epic level Bravura Presence warlord/Knight Commander/Warmaster. In fact I'm kinda sure Kamina is one of the inspirations behind the Bravura Presence build.

Ironically, I made a ranger back in 3.5 that was more or less based off Kamina, but thanks to my subpar GM his days of riling up the populace were never realized. He did get a cleric cohort, who was basically Hanataro from Bleach :P

On another note, Dora the Explorer is a level 30 Beastmaster ranger w/ monkey compainion (modified spider), with the Feral Spirit PP, and Deadly Trickster epic destiny. I mean c'mon, how else can you make someone fail their Thievery check just by saying "No"?

Kurald Galain
2009-01-23, 04:42 AM
Okay first, you can play a pacifist character in D&D, it's not hard and only mildly annoying (because if the villain's still standing he'll let him escape). All you do is personally not kill anything yourself (or if you wish to be non-violent, debuff).

Pacifism Does Not Work That Way!

Good night.

KKL
2009-01-23, 04:49 AM
I think it goes without saying, but Kamina is an epic level Bravura Presence warlord/Knight Commander/Warmaster. In fact I'm kinda sure Kamina is one of the inspirations behind the Bravura Presence build.

History, nor Mythology has ever had anyone who was a great leader through sheer force of personality, nope never. Also, Kamina is low, maybe mid heroic. The only epic things the man has done were either utter stupidity (Hello Ganmen) or massive inspiration (socking Simon in the face and telling his whiney ass to get back in the mech). Although I admit the Giga Drill Breaker is the GM getting bored and randomly throwing in Exalted for "the lulz."


On another note, Dora the Explorer is a level 30 Beastmaster ranger w/ monkey compainion (modified spider), with the Feral Spirit PP, and Deadly Trickster epic destiny. I mean c'mon, how else can you make someone fail their Thievery check just by saying "No"?

No, Dora the Explorer is a level 1 Beastmaster Ranger with a spider (monkey) companion who happens to be played by the DM's girlfriend, becuase Dora the Explorer is in fact a terrible show and should have never been shown. You know why? Because it fricking sucks and is in fact utter garbage.

The New Bruceski
2009-01-23, 06:13 AM
Ash Ketchum would be a beastmaster Hunter multiclassed into Warlord.

Tengu_temp
2009-01-24, 01:28 PM
Super Robot Wars tiem! There's a lot of characters in these games, but so far I've thought up those:

Ryusei - Tempest Fighter. Uses a variety of weapons, including ranged ones, but mostly swords and spiked gauntlets.

Rai - Wizard, focuses on damage-dealing spells with lots of range and AoE.

Aya - Laser Cleric.

Sanger - Paladin, using a fullblade and multiclassing into Swordmage for Whirling Blade and similar powers. Yes, it means he needs all stats to be high, but he's so badass he makes it work.

Elzam - Archery Ranger, dual-wielding light crossbows. Has ritual casting for potion brewing (reflavored as cooking). Not trained in bluff. When Bard comes out, he dualclasses into it for Trombe! Override.

Ibis - another Archery Ranger, focusing on powers that let you spam a lot of missiles arrows in one round. Multiclassed into Rogue for some dex-based melee, most notably Handspring Attack.

Masaki - Assault Swordmage, focusing on thunder and fire-based powers. Yes, this means one of the biggest Idiot Heroes in SRW has an intelligence-based class.

Katina - Battlerager Fighter. This variant was made for her, no contest.

kamuishirou
2009-01-24, 01:52 PM
Parn, Record of Lodoss Wars - I know, far stretch for him to be a fighter, but I've always enjoyed his character. :)

Deedlit, Record of Lodoss Wars - Druid. Her elemental control would fit the Druid well. Of course I can wait about a week and see the Shaman entails :).

Priss Asagiri, Bubblegum Crisis - Ok, this is a little harder. I suppose I'd go warlock and add some skill for riding her moto...errr horse :).

Kamui Shirou, X - Swordmage seems like a good fit. Bastard sword for sure.

Just a few of my ideas.

Dacia Brabant
2009-01-24, 04:19 PM
The Heroes of Time:

Crono: Human Paladin, uses a Okatana (greatsword), multiclassed to Cleric/Radiant Servant for "Ulimate Holy Damage" goodness.

Marle: Human Cleric multiclassed to Wizard, crossbow, uses only ice spells, battle healer extraordinare.

Lucca: Has Artificer made it into 4e yet? If not, then Human Taclord multiclassed to Wizard, warhammer (no Wondershot, sorry), uses only fire spells.

Frog: Dragonborn (reflavored a bit) Fighter, bastard sword, Kensai because he only uses the Masamune, though unfortunately misses out on water magic.

Robo: Warforged um...I have no idea, maybe some kind of Laser Cleric who uses Necrotic damage?

Ayla: Need a homebrew 4e Monk class for her I'm thinking.

Magus: Tiefling (no horns and tail please) or Eladrin Dark Pact Warlock/Wizard of course, throws around all sorts of damage types and wields a mean scythe too.

Tengu_temp
2009-01-24, 04:48 PM
There was an Artificer sneak peek some (long) time ago.

I've always seen Frog as more of a paladin, myself - his behaviour fits the archetype like a glove. Good choice on Dragonborn - ice breath = water magic!

Ayla could be a 100% "feral form" druid, who looks the same as usual in wild shape, just has different abilities.

Dacia Brabant
2009-01-24, 05:59 PM
There was an Artificer sneak peek some (long) time ago.

I've always seen Frog as more of a paladin, myself - his behaviour fits the archetype like a glove. Good choice on Dragonborn - ice breath = water magic!

Ayla could be a 100% "feral form" druid, who looks the same as usual in wild shape, just has different abilities.

Hmm, I missed out on that, and she definitely needs to be an Artificer if at all possible.

And while that's true of Frog in the SNES translation, in the original Japanese he's much less well-mannered. Still, I do see your point and Paladin would give him a little bit of healing potential, though I still like him for Kensai/Weapon Master.

Good idea on Ayla as a feral druid, she uses a bite attack after all not just punches and kicks, she's far from civilized and she has that whole feline thing going.

Heh, now I want to go stat up a three-stage encounter with Lavos that goes from a level 30 Solo Controller (outer shell) to a 31 Solo Artillery (outer core) to a 32 Solo Brute (inner core) with Elite Controller and Skirmisher support bits.

Tengu_temp
2009-01-24, 06:38 PM
Artificer. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080702)

Knaight
2009-01-24, 06:50 PM
Sounds interesting. Black Cat characters up next.

Train(Black Cat)-Ranger, Multiclass fighter to pick up melee abilities, emphasis on defensive abilities for the gun blocks.

Sven-Artificer, with the suit case holding pretty much everything.

Eve-Needs morphing abilities beyond even what 3.5 had. Not going to work well. Flipping Nanotech.

Saphiria-Fighter, sword specialist.

Number 7-No idea.

Panda-s1
2009-01-24, 11:45 PM
No, Dora the Explorer is a level 1 Beastmaster Ranger with a spider (monkey) companion who happens to be played by the DM's girlfriend, becuase Dora the Explorer is in fact a terrible show and should have never been shown. You know why? Because it fricking sucks and is in fact utter garbage.

...Um, I believe the show is great for younger children. It's kinda really dumb for people our age, but certainly not utter garbage. Not to mention Dora's one of the few major Hispanic characters in children's programming.

skywalker
2009-01-25, 12:15 AM
...Um, I believe the show is great for younger children. It's kinda really dumb for people our age, but certainly not utter garbage. Not to mention Dora's one of the few major Hispanic characters in children's programming.

It was one of the first shows to attempt to counteract America's growing obesity epidemic by getting children moving during an activity in which we are traditionally sedentary. It also gets children in the door with language education (some studies show you need to have some sort of language other than your own introduced to you by 7 for you to ever be any good at other languages), teaches them a few useful things in a useful language, and shows that Latino people are not all of the "illegal immigrant" stereotype. I really love the concept.

I also really think this thread's title is a bit misleading. Because the "e" in "4e" stands for edition, it could very easily be taken to mean "D&D 4e is the anime and video game edition," where somebody forgot the punctuation.

LurkerInPlayground
2009-01-25, 12:18 AM
Just looking at the original quote, why would anybody want to play a Vash style chr is beyond me.. In a game about killing stuff and getting loot playing a chr that is uterly apposed to killing anything would be hard and more or less irritating.

and befor anybody says "playing chrs like that can be fun to RP blah blah" Yes that is true in a game where everybody else is on a similar page but with the other chr archtypes in the group its like playing hungrey hungrey hippos but refusing to use a hippo.





... hmmm im not sure that made sence
Well, you can opt to knock enemies out instead of killing them in 4E.

Vash had the rather irritating habit of being able to merely incapacitate his enemies because he was pretty much superhuman, and now all your 4E characters get to do it for free.

And a lot of enemies like undead and various constructs don't really count as "killing."

Kaolins
2009-01-25, 01:22 AM
Originally a big tree.

Well since you're talking directly about the game character, and not the Tree of Myth....
Literal;

He ends UP as a big tree. Yes, knowledge of Mythology is cool, but I'm going to be a jerk-in-the-playground on this technicality. :P

The above really is a spoiler to Tales of Symphonia.


An internet to the Haruhi comment.


And as much fun as I can imagine turning the entire cast of FFVI into 4E characters would be, I'll hold off.

TWO internets to anyone who posts Locke though.

DiscipleofBob
2009-01-25, 01:45 AM
The Heroes of Time:

Crono: Human Paladin, uses a Okatana (greatsword), multiclassed to Cleric/Radiant Servant for "Ulimate Holy Damage" goodness.

Marle: Human Cleric multiclassed to Wizard, crossbow, uses only ice spells, battle healer extraordinare.

Lucca: Has Artificer made it into 4e yet? If not, then Human Taclord multiclassed to Wizard, warhammer (no Wondershot, sorry), uses only fire spells.

Frog: Dragonborn (reflavored a bit) Fighter, bastard sword, Kensai because he only uses the Masamune, though unfortunately misses out on water magic.

Robo: Warforged um...I have no idea, maybe some kind of Laser Cleric who uses Necrotic damage?

Ayla: Need a homebrew 4e Monk class for her I'm thinking.

Magus: Tiefling (no horns and tail please) or Eladrin Dark Pact Warlock/Wizard of course, throws around all sorts of damage types and wields a mean scythe too.

The Swordmage seems to fit Crono better in my opinion.

I agree with Marle.

Lucca would definitely be an Artificer with an appropriate "implement" for a weapon, either that or a Warlock with heavily-redone fluff. Mechanically it made sense in my head anyway.

Frog: I like the Dragonborn idea, but I'd actually go with an Inspiring Warlord with maybe some Fighter multiclass if you want to go with the Kensei idea. Even with the Masamune, Frog was always a support character in combat to me.

Robo: Warforged Paladin who flavors his powers as being programmed in by a higher power, either humanity or the Mother computer. Multiclass later to Cleric for some of the laser-type powers.

Ayla: Barbarian, definitely. Not sure how best to exploit the bare-handed thing, but I'm sure there is or will be a feat for that somewhere. Otherwise, high damage and hit point potential fits perfectly.

Magus: Although Shadar-Kai makes more sense appearance-wise, Eladrin fits his backstory to a T. Although Dark Pact Warlock is a really good fit fluff-wise, I'd actually go with Wizard. After all, Magus can use every element and his wide range of area-of-effect spells would make him a very effective controller.

Tengu_temp
2009-01-25, 02:03 AM
TWO internets to anyone who posts Locke though.

Easy - he's a Rogue, they even have a "steal an item in combat" power. Brutal Scoundrel class feature, probably, but with high charisma regardless (how else can you explain all the awesome?). Bought the Shield Proficiency feats.