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PrGo
2009-01-24, 08:48 AM
In the game we play right now, our buddy Aasimar druid (the one that wanted to train a Roc) was killed by our frenzied beserker. Now we're planning to reincarnate him, but since he's a Native Outsider we can't use the table in PHB for reincarnation.
So is there such a table somewhere, or do I have to compile it on my own?
And if I do, should I also put Rahshasas in there since they're native as well? They do have insane ECL so it might be unfair for him to get a 15 level boost in stead of losing a level :smalltongue:

Thanks in advance.

Assassin89
2009-01-24, 09:05 AM
Now we're planning to reincarnate him, but since he's a Native Outsider we can't use the table in PHB for reincarnation.


Why did you make this assumption? :smallconfused:

Native Outsiders have mortal ancestors or a strong connection to the Material Plane and can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be.

Wouldn't this mean that you can reincarnate the native outsider as normal and therefore use the same chart as for any other humanoid?

PrGo
2009-01-24, 09:18 AM
Oh. Wow, I didn't think of that. Thanks a lot, man :smallbiggrin:

Well that should be it for this topic :smalltongue:

NEO|Phyte
2009-01-24, 10:34 AM
Wouldn't this mean that you can reincarnate the native outsider as normal and therefore use the same chart as for any other humanoid?

The thing is, he's NOT a humanoid (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#humanoidType), he's an outsider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#outsiderType).

Starbuck_II
2009-01-24, 11:07 AM
So why not make a list of all Native Outsiders?

Like Midgard Dwarves, Asimars, Tieflings, etc.

Remembner you don't gain LA from Reincarnate so only let Rakashas happen (if you are worried) on 100 roll (since it is any choice then).

Inyssius Tor
2009-01-24, 11:29 AM
The thing is, he's NOT a humanoid (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#humanoidType), he's an outsider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#outsiderType).

Um... he's right? The rules don't imply that reincarnation works any differently for native outsiders. In fact, I think they kind of imply the opposite.


An outsider with the native subtype can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be.


Native Subtype
A subtype applied only to outsiders. These creatures have mortal ancestors or a strong connection to the Material Plane and can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be.

NEO|Phyte
2009-01-24, 11:46 AM
Um... he's right? The rules don't imply that reincarnation works any differently for native outsiders. In fact, I think they kind of imply the opposite.

If you reincarnated a badger, would you roll on the table for humanoids? What about a minotaur? Or a frost giant?

Starbuck_II
2009-01-24, 11:54 AM
If you reincarnated a badger, would you roll on the table for humanoids? What about a minotaur? Or a frost giant?

Exactly, the reincarnate spell for 3.5 only lists human forms. You'd have to make your own list for the others.

In 3.0 you could become a Badger if died as a Dwarf.

only1doug
2009-01-24, 12:12 PM
Um... he's right? The rules don't imply that reincarnation works any differently for native outsiders. In fact, I think they kind of imply the opposite.

as others have said, Type is important, the rules indicate a table for the humanoid type, outsider types would need a new table.



For a humanoid creature, the new incarnation is determined using the following table. For nonhumanoid creatures, a similar table of creatures of the same type should be created. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/reincarnate.htm)

LibraryOgre
2009-01-24, 01:22 PM
In 3.0 you could become a Badger if died as a Dwarf.

Of course. They're both burrowing mammals.