Vote-Up a vs. Thread Part 5: Competitors Nominations

[Llama231]

O.K, so this should be new.:smallcool:

This is an experiment to find out what the playground would consider the best, most balanced, and most reasonable cross-franchise vs. combination.

To begin with, we need a vote on what board this should continue on.

To vote, simply post your vote for the current topic.

Board: Structured Games
Media Discussion: 3
Structured Games: 1 (Admin. Vote)=1,000,000,000,000,000

This thread has been taken to Structured Games by voice of an Admin, so it will stay there, unless moved again.


Premise: Army
Duel: 2
Army: 3
Skill:
Manipulation: 1
Favorite:
Other(By nomination.):


The winner of Premise is Army.

Power level is the power of each side. You get two votes to cast, as this is an army battle, the lower power level will be the army, and the higher the single character or organization. If you want a combination between two levels, and if the are many more votes for one than for the other, I will put both votes into the lesser voted-for one. If you want an even army battle, put both votes into the same power level category. If the most voted for category has twice the number of votes as the second, it will be an even army battle.

Now to describe each power level: ()=Highly debatable.
Power Level Description Example D and D equivilant C.R.
Worst:The lowest of the low. Even us humans are not challenged by them. Ant, and below.n/a
Below Human:The generic thing weaker than a human, but not significantly. Zombie, Rabbit, Goomba<1/6
Human: About equivalent to a common human. Orc, Any human, or human-like race/species from unarmed to current average military technology, elephant.1/6 to 5
Above Human:In general better than a human, but not much. Human with Star Wars/Trek technology, Bullete, generic superminion.6 to 10
Superhuman:Basically a generic superhero, or powerful monster. Characters from avatar, superheroes, Marth, The OotS, generic uberminion, Dalek, pop-culture ninja 11 to 20
God-Blessed/Invincible/Mastermind: Something that is untouchable by humans either through their power or skill. Superman, Godzilla, The Doctor, Link, Samus, Mewtwo, Sepheroth, Xykon, The Crab, (The Q), The Vorlons 21 to 60
Demigod:Something that is near god power, or a very weak god. Chuck Norris by most jokes, Fully cheesed up epic wizard, Tabuu, (the Q)61 to 150
God:Powerful enough to be considered a god.Most generic gods, Arceus, (Giygas) What geater dietys in D and D SHOULD be, pun-pun.151 to 9000
>9000!!!1!!(Above God)Considered to be above dieties, highly debatable. More ideas than real beings.(Giygas), the first evil, the Snarl. >9000
Other (By nomination.) Anything else not mentioned above. VariesVaries

Power Level Above Human vs. Above Human
Worst:
Below Human:
Human:
Above Human: 6
Superhuman: 2
God-Blessed/Invincible/Mastermind: 2
Demigod:
God:
>9000!!!1!!(Above God)
Other (By nomination.)



Genres (Will be two chosen total.): Nonfictional vs. Gaming(Fictional)
Nonfictional: 2
Literature:
Media:
Gaming: 1
Other (By nomination.):
1(Orcs with guns.)
2(Fictional)


The current voting is:
Please nominate competitors from both sides.

Voting closes February 29 with the usual exceptions.


Competitors

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The following will be explained more in-depth later.

Final vs. Vote
To be determined.

Good luck, and thanks ahead of time for voting!:smallwink:

Edits:
Added closing time for votes.
Dates changed a lot.
Sub-poles removed.
Franchises removed.

[Dallas-Dakota]

Uhm, misplaced? I think you ment the Media Discussions forum, not the Friendly Banter forum.

[Llama231]

The purpose of posting here is to find WHICH board this would work best in.
I am taking you vot as Media Discussion.:smallsmile:

[Dallas-Dakota]

Ah, I see now.
Though, as this is a (nomination for) a vs. thread, I think it should be in Media Discussions. As most Vs. participants usually are there.
Not to mention that some people who participate in those don't come over here in FB.

So technically the only way to properly do this would be to post it on all the boards, so everybody would see it. But I don't think the mods would like that.

Edit : Also, isn't february 1st a bit of a short term?

[Llama231]

I imagined that it would be unanimous for the MD board, and thus did not want to spend to much time on this stage.

I also did not simply put this there, as I though that someone might surprise me.

[Flame of Anor]

Media discussion is good.

[Llama231]

2 for media discussion.

[Fredthefighter]

Media Discussion I am voting for.
The Yoda reference, intended it was not.

[Llama231]

Vote for media discussion, added, has been.
Yay for Yoda talk. ^.^

[Rawhide]

*cough* You don't need to vote. It goes in Structured Games, as such, it can be about anything, from media through gaming and so on. It can even be humorous if everyone wants it to be.

I'm not sure that your structure is simple enough, as you have too many levels of voting. You're also missing one, voting for the chairperson/deputy chairperson and/or committee to rotate the person(s) in power.

[Llama231]

*cough* You don't need to vote. It goes in Structured Games, as such, it can be about anything, from media through gaming and so on. It can even be humorous if everyone wants it to be.

I'm not sure that your structure is simple enough, as you have too many levels of voting. You're also missing one, voting for the chairperson/deputy chairperson and/or committee to rotate the person(s) in power.

Thanks for the move!
So, is this just supposed to be here, or can it go to Media Discussion if that is voted for?
It is supposed to be a serious thread, to find the best possible vs. idea.

I was planning on making a new thread for each level of two of voting, with most likely the next in Media Discussion.
as for the last part, I have no idea what you mean.:smallconfused:
This is generally supposed to be a poll, not a game, so could you please clarify this to me?

[GoC]

I vote battle.

[Llama231]

So...I guess it stays here now, no vote needed...

I suppose that we should now move on to the next part, as it already has a vote, so I will edit the new information into the first post.

[Szilard]

Have all the voting in the same thread, it is easier on all of us.

[Llama231]

Have all the voting in the same thread, it is easier on all of us.

Well, that is what it is now.:smallsmile:
Do you have a vote?

[Selrahc]

I think this is way way too convoluted. At this rate it would take months to get a single thread.

The way I'd suggest to do it is to get a proposal thread, post up say a half dozen premises and the most popular one gets worked up into a full thread, posted up and then is left to be discussed for a week/two weeks. Most votes wins. The time while the thread is going on is used to find the next match up.

The pre stage is to weed out any obvious curb stomps, or yawnfests. It shouldn't dominate the proceedings as much as seems to be intended.

[Llama231]

I think this is way way too convoluted. At this rate it would take months to get a single thread.

The way I'd suggest to do it is to get a proposal thread, post up say a half dozen premises and the most popular one gets worked up into a full thread, posted up and then is left to be discussed for a week/two weeks. Most votes wins. The time while the thread is going on is used to find the next match up.

The pre stage is to weed out any obvious curb stomps, or yawnfests. It shouldn't dominate the proceedings as much as seems to be intended.

This thread, original intent was to be in either gaming or media discussion, but it is here now. As for the speed, most stages of voting are only planned to take a day or few, with some only a day.

I could assume that everyone would go for a battle, and a certain power level, and such, but this thread was also made to see if I would be wrong about these assumptions. I rarely go to Silly Message Board Games, and almost never Structured Games, so things might be different here from the rest of the board.

The premises should not take long unless there is something unexpected.
The rest of the votes, mostly should rely on nominations to a date, and then voting from the nominations.

There should hopefully be none of these "curb stomps, or yawnfests" that you speak of, as the voting should go by quickly.

I would like to repeat, that the entire purpose of this thread is to make the best combination in interest and debatability to have as a vs. thread on these boards.

If there is anything that I should know about this area of the forum that may directly affect this, could someone please post?

[Szilard]

Overconfidence is your weakness.:smallamused:

Anyhow, let's go with a battle.

@V: Star Wars quote.

[Llama231]

Overconfidence is your weakness.:smallamused:
???


Anyhow, let's go with a battle.
Yay votes! ^.^

[Selrahc]

I would like to repeat, that the entire purpose of this thread is to make the best combination in interest and debatability to have as a vs. thread on these boards.

And I think you are going about it in an overcomplicated way. The way to get a good versus thread is to suggest an interesting match up. It isn't to go through a formula.



There should hopefully be none of these "curb stomps, or yawnfests" that you speak of, as the voting should go by quickly.


I wasn't saying there would be, I was saying that since the only purpose of a versus thread generation thread is to weed these out, then it is best to make it as simple as possible. You appear to have added as many stages as possible.

For example, Genres, franchises and sub franchises all appear to be unnecessary steps. Premise 2 is I imagine the specifics of the contest chosen, and so should be individually chosen for the contestants, rather than picked at stage two.

If it all gets played out, I'm sure I'll get involved since I do enjoy a good versus thread, but I would urge you not to add too much bureaucracy or formulaic stuff into the system, since it tends to draw out the creation of threads, put off newcomers and generally cause too much pain for too little gain.


Oh, and Battle, I guess.

[Llama231]

Alright then.
I will remove sub-franchises and sub-premises, but it will mean that all voters will need to clarify their vote.
I am still taking suggestions to make this work better.

[The Tygre]

I vote duel.

[Athaniar]

My vote goes to Manipulation. Almost every VS thread is either Duel or Army.

[Llama231]

1 for Duel
1 for Manipulation

Until their vote are clarified, I will split all Battle votes evenly into Duel and Army.

[Emperor Demonking]

Army

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[Llama231]

Due to the boards being down, I will extend voting until the 5th.

[GoC]

Army.
Above Human vs. Superhuman (you can have this with armies).

[Llama231]

Army.
Above Human vs. Superhuman (you can have this with armies).

Good.
Prevote?

[Szilard]

I shall vote for two armies fighting each other. (Or perhaps one man vs. an army? That would be pretty cool.)

[Llama231]

Good, votes are no longer tied!:smallbiggrin:

[Llama231]

Army wins!

Edited to next poll: Power Level.

[Llama231]

Voting time extended to the 9th.
Please vote!

[Selrahc]

Above Human. I mean that is pretty much the only category that will really work for armies.

[Fredthefighter]

Above Human

[The Tygre]

I throw in for Above Human.

[Szilard]

Mastermind vs. Above Human.

[Llama231]

Mastermind vs. Above Human.

*cough*Dr. vs army*cough*

[Szilard]

*cough*Dr. vs army*cough*

Exactly. .

[GoC]

Good.
Prevote?
yep.:smallamused:

[Llama231]

Currently it seems that it will be above vs. above.

[Llama231]

Voting for power level has ended.
Genre is up.

[GoC]

Non-fiction vs. Gaming (computer gaming)

[Llama231]

Updated.
...............

[Llama231]

Voting extended due to only one vote.:smallfrown:

[Selrahc]

Well I don't think we even need this part of the selection process. My vote is just for submission of potential armies that can fight.

Although I would like to point out that it would be pretty hard for any non fiction army to fit into the category of "above human", since the only armies with non fictional existence are either human or insect...

[Llama231]

Well I don't think we even need this part of the selection process. My vote is just for submission of potential armies that can fight.

If this speaks for everyone else , as I believe it does, I will lower the date for voting to the 12th.


Although I would like to point out that it would be pretty hard for any non fiction army to fit into the category of "above human", since the only armies with non fictional existence are either human or insect...


We could always have an army of elephants.:smallamused:

[Szilard]

Or an army of woolly mammoths...
against orcs with machine guns...
What genres would that fit into?

[Llama231]

Or an army of woolly mammoths...
against orcs with machine guns...
What genres would that fit into?

Nonfiction
and
Literature, Gaming, or Media

[Szilard]

I vote for Non fiction, and Other (The orcs w/ machine guns).

[Lord Mancow]

Fictional vs Fictional.

[Llama231]

Fictional vs Fictional.

I have assumed even want over all fictional categories, not counting other, so the outcome is

Nonfiction vs. Gaming

Next up for voting is the nomination of franchises.
Note: This is not so much of a vote as a nomination. When this is complete, there will be voting for the nominated franchises. Voting ends on the 19, as that is when I will be able to access this next.

[Llama231]

No votes?:smalleek:

[Szilard]

Um...
Ice Age vs. LotR?

[Llama231]

Voting has been stretched to the 20th due to the boards being down.

[GoC]

I vote to cancel nomination of franchises. Just select armies instead.
If that's not possible then I choose US Military vs. Alliance from Warcraft.
Though to tell the truth I just want to see some fantasy army recieve a royal beatdown.:smallamused:

[Llama231]

Do we have anyone else supporting this?^

[Selrahc]

I vote to cancel nomination of franchises. Just select armies instead.
If that's not possible then I choose US Military vs. Alliance from Warcraft.
Though to tell the truth I just want to see some fantasy army recieve a royal beatdown.:smallamused:

Hmm. Sounds okay if we take away the higher ordnance.

Maybe a ground forces detachment of each. I mean the alliance have stuff like teleportation, activated invulnerability and mind control. Which might be enough to get them a win against superior technology...

[GoC]

Hmm. Sounds okay if we take away the higher ordnance.

So take away the more powerful spells and the nukes?

[Szilard]

Do we have anyone else supporting this?^

Me. .

[Llama231]

That's good enough for me.
Nominate competitors please, one for each side.
Voting closes on the 25, with the usual exceptions.

[Llama231]

Voting extended until March 1st...

[Llama231]

Voting extended to March 5th...

[Selrahc]

See why I thought adding lots of rounds of voting was a bad idea? :smalltongue:

Are we not doing that warcraft versus US military thing? That sounded okay.

[Llama231]

Well I suppose that we will go with the current nomination(s).

[Llama231]

Should I let this thread die, and start up a vs. in Media Discussion?

Warcraft vs. U.S. Military vs. Orcs w/machine guns vs. Wholly Mammoths

[GoC]

Sounds fun but leave out the mammoths or the mods will delete it immedeatly. And you should be careful about doing a three side free-for-all. Those get messy.

[Selrahc]

You could just post it here? I imagine that it will be a lot less likely to be locked that way.

[Llama231]

Would it work in this thread?

[GoC]

I think so.
But first we need to get the restrictions right.
Warcraft is the Lich King at his height of power right? What game-enders will we be removing from that side? We're taking out nuclear weapons from the US side. Should we also remove biological and chemical ones?
How will the conflict take place? Where?
Will this be a war of country vs. country or just a single battle of army vs. army?
How many orcs are there?

[Llama231]

No WK, no nukes.
10 orcs for 1 human?
Or 1:1
...

[GoC]

No WK, no nukes.
10 orcs for 1 human?
Or 1:1
...

Umm... What's a WK?:smallconfused:

[Llama231]

Umm... What's a WK?:smallconfused:

Oops, I meant Lich King. (LK)

[GoC]

Oops, I meant Lich King. (LK)

Why no Lich King? He seems pretty irrelevant in an army vs. army battle.

[Llama231]

Why no Lich King? He seems pretty irrelevant in an army vs. army battle.

I don't know much,. but it seems like he would be a little overpowered.

[GoC]

I don't know much,. but it seems like he would be a little overpowered.

What are his abilities?
Is he completely immune to physical damage and has area attacks that affect over a million square meters?

[Llama231]

What are his abilities?
Is he completely immune to physical damage and has area attacks that affect over a million square meters?

Sadly, I have no idea.
I know almost nothing about this guy.