Piedmon_Sama
2009-02-17, 11:00 AM
So, last night I was giving Complete Mage a thorough read-through for the first time, although I've owned it for a while. One Prestige Class jumped out at me as particularly cool, so I had to tell a friend about it. The Nightmare Spinner. Kind of a silly name, but using your enemy's nightmares against them? Sign me up!
Unfortunately when I told him about its ultimate ability, which is basically a Save or Die vs DC 10 + Class Level (I assumed it meant NS levels only) + Cha Mod, he declared it absolutely broken. Even when I told him using a Supernatural Ability (as this is) is a Full Round Action, he figured the "three times per day" thing means you can force someone to save vs death three times before they can do anything.
So he's like "so what stops you from just pumping Charisma until the DC is ridiculous, and then anyone without an awesome will save is screwed." And I'm like "well yes, that's the point, that's why it's their ultimate attack" and he's like "that's ridiculous, so I can make you save or die three times per day and there's nothing you can do about it?" Ignoring the fact it's an Illusionary Fear-Effect (and so won't work on certain creatures or characters), I'm trying to tell him D&D isn't fair and as his primary PC for the last few months has been a Cleric he ought to know this. T_T
Anyway, I'm right, right? There's nothing extraordinary about this class. It's got a fun gimmick, but there's nothing overpowering about it, right?
Unfortunately when I told him about its ultimate ability, which is basically a Save or Die vs DC 10 + Class Level (I assumed it meant NS levels only) + Cha Mod, he declared it absolutely broken. Even when I told him using a Supernatural Ability (as this is) is a Full Round Action, he figured the "three times per day" thing means you can force someone to save vs death three times before they can do anything.
So he's like "so what stops you from just pumping Charisma until the DC is ridiculous, and then anyone without an awesome will save is screwed." And I'm like "well yes, that's the point, that's why it's their ultimate attack" and he's like "that's ridiculous, so I can make you save or die three times per day and there's nothing you can do about it?" Ignoring the fact it's an Illusionary Fear-Effect (and so won't work on certain creatures or characters), I'm trying to tell him D&D isn't fair and as his primary PC for the last few months has been a Cleric he ought to know this. T_T
Anyway, I'm right, right? There's nothing extraordinary about this class. It's got a fun gimmick, but there's nothing overpowering about it, right?