Conjure Up A Villain! [Contest Complete]

[afroakuma]

Well, since Vote Up A Villain is on hiatus, I've decided to give you folks the chance to get one for your very own!

That's right, I will craft for the winner a complete villain in the format of VUAV entries. Each user is allowed two submissions, which must be sent to me via PM. You must provide, in order, all of the answers to the following riddle. All answers can be found within D&D related sources (novels, sourcebooks, magazines), and all can be found on the Internet.


The Conjuring
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/afroakuma/darkside.png

Ten drops has he suffered, to where he now lies
In a Pit below Pit where benevolence dies

Mother of princes and children in chains
Shrouded to minds that cannot explain

Daughter of nightmare and serpent of doom
Eater of terror's from sleeping mind's womb

Traitor to evils, the one of three faces
Deep in a red prison, the lord of three races

Living weapons from a world most far
Wage heinous war below the stars

Frozen away in a horrible dark
Land of deadly ice shards like the teeth of a shark

Home of the shapers of terrible skin
Once was a dragon - now dark lies within

Red he is lord of, and lord the most high
among mortal lords of the great lords of the sky

In far icy banishment ever do sleep
Those beings who cause ev'n immortals to weep

[arguskos]

So, there are nine answers? One for each verse?

[afroakuma]

That is correct.

[arguskos]

If we submit our first one, will you tell us what we got wrong?

[afroakuma]

Yep! Hence the two.

There are some obscure things in there, so I felt I'd make it a bit more fair.

[Llama231]

O.O

So, what is it exactly that we are looking for?
Specific villains?

[afroakuma]

I require the components of evil.

Some may be planar evils, others may simply be eldritch horrors or villains native to specific campaign settings. One of them is a place, and one a race of creatures.

[arguskos]

Of those that are setting specific, are they specific to any given setting, or does the setting vary? (Basically, are all the setting specific ones from the SAME setting, or different ones, or does it even matter?)

Also, congratulations. This is REALLY FREAKIN' HARD. :smalltongue: (but I have 5 so far!)

[Adumbration]

Damn. This is just too hard. I haven't managed to figure out a single one - every idea I had just didn't quite fit.

[arguskos]

Yeah, some of them are... BRUTAL, to say the least. Number 4, 5, and 8 are amazingly difficult, and I'm struggling. Number 9 I... very tenuously have, but I'm not that sure about it. :smallannoyed:

afro, you seriously made a scary hard quiz. :smallsigh:

[magic9mushroom]

Well, since Vote Up A Villain is on hiatus, I've decided to give you folks the chance to get one for your very own!

That's right, I will craft for the winner a complete villain in the format of VUAV entries. Each user is allowed two submissions, which must be sent to me via PM. You must provide, in order, all of the answers to the following riddle. All answers can be found within D&D related sources (novels, sourcebooks, magazines), and all can be found on the Internet.


The Conjuring
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/afroakuma/darkside.png

Ten drops has he suffered, to where he now lies
In a Pit below Pit where benevolence dies

Mother of princes and children in chains
Shrouded to minds that cannot explain

Daughter of nightmare and serpent of doom
Eater of terror's from sleeping mind's womb

Traitor to evils, the one of three faces
Deep in a red prison, the lord of three races

Living weapons from a world most far
Wage heinous war below the stars

Frozen away in a horrible dark
Land of deadly ice shards like the teeth of a shark

Home of the shapers of terrible skin
Once was a dragon - now dark lies within

Red he is lord of, and lord the most high
among mortal lords of the great lords of the sky

In far icy banishment ever do sleep
Those beings who cause ev'n immortals to weep


The first and last I know, but can't be bothered figuring out the rest.

The first is from Fiendish Codex II, the last is from the Epic Level Handbook.

[afroakuma]

Could you possibly not quote the entire first post? Thanks.

Also: please no offering hints or planting decoys. If I feel it is too challenging I will make changes as needed.

[The Tygre]

If nobody gets them all right, does the person who got the most right win?

[afroakuma]

I'll consider it... it will depend on a few things.

[afroakuma]

The current leading number of correct answers is four, by the way. And most of those are the easy ones.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

I´m even gonna try, but I assume the answers will be posted when/if someone guesses them all?

[afroakuma]

Yes indeedy.

One of those clues may not be perfectly accurate; I may need to replace it.

But I doubt that's a concern, since so many others have been baffling thus far. :smallamused:

[arguskos]

The current leading number of correct answers is four, by the way. And most of those are the easy ones.
Four hmm... seems like I'm doin' alright then! :smallcool:

Also, how long have you had this in your pocket afro? A while, looking for the right time to use it?

Oh, and are these all from 3.5? Or are some from older editions (because if they span editions... >_<)?

[afroakuma]

Also, how long have you had this in your pocket afro? A while, looking for the right time to use it?

A fair amount of time, yes. A sibling plan is prepared for after VUAVX takes place.


Oh, and are these all from 3.5? Or are some from older editions (because if they span editions... >_<)?

Technically, they span editions and campaign settings. Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Eberron, Planescape and Spelljammer are all potential candidates, though I guarantee one of those has no representation at all.

One is technically from a far-off edition, though I know of one reference in a D&D 3.5 product.

[arguskos]

A fair amount of time, yes. A sibling plan is prepared for after VUAVX takes place.



Technically, they span editions and campaign settings. Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Eberron, Planescape and Spelljammer are all potential candidates, though I guarantee one of those has no representation at all.

One is technically from a far-off edition, though I know of one reference in a D&D 3.5 product.
...gorrammit! That makes things immensely more difficult. :smallsigh:

You sir, are a brutal and evil person, yes you are.

[afroakuma]

Of course I am. Actually, you guys got off light. I was going to plunder the deeper vaults of villainy, but I grew a heart.

[arguskos]

Of course I am. Actually, you guys got off light. I was going to plunder the deeper vaults of villainy, but I grew a heart.
o.O?!? THIS is the bleeding heart quiz?! I've got a pretty solid knowledge of these things, and I'm struggling here. :smalleek: This is... wooow.

In other news, "Living Weapons" and "Traitor to Evils" are giving me fits. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure about the others. :smallannoyed:

Here's hoping my effort is worth the trouble.

[afroakuma]

Someone already solved "Traitor to Evils."

"Living Weapons" is intended to challenge, though.

Rated by difficulty:

Ten drops Suffered: 1
Mother of Princes: 2
Eater of Terrors: 7
One of Three Faces: 4
Living Weapons: 7
Land of Deadly Ice Shards: 4
Once was a Dragon: 1
Lord the most High: 6
Ever do Sleep: over 9000

[arguskos]

>_<

I feel bad that I can't seem to figure out the freakin' Traitor to Evils and Living Weapons. That one specifically is breakin' my mind man! Freakin' internet quizzes.

[afroakuma]

Which one? Living Weapons?

Nassty things they were, too.

[arguskos]

ARGH! SO UNDESCRIPTIVE! ARGH! >_<

I've run through a number of possibles, and gotten nowhere. Bionoids are my top bet at the moment, but they're not really "bad guys", just engineered weapons. Like, if I had some evil version of the bionoids, I'd be all over that one. As is? No freakin' idea. :smallfurious:

It might also be the Rhul-Thaun... but they are A). a race, and B). NOT REALLY EVIL. :smallfurious:

My brain hurts. Hell, at this point, it could be ****ing PRIMUS for I all know. Also, that'd be awesome. :smallwink:

:sabine: approves of your quiz's difficulty. This better be worth it.

[Magnor Criol]

This better be worth it.

It's a free homebrew villain from afro. Of course it's worth it. Would free golfing lessons from Tiger Woods be worth it?

[arguskos]

That's... a damned good point. :smallbiggrin:

BACK TO THE GRIND I SAY!!

[The Tygre]

Quick question: Are you also using websites like DiceFreaks or RPGenius? Because the first thing I thought about when I read the question about Red was from DF.

[afroakuma]

Nope. TSR/WotC sources only.

Here's the stats so far:


{table=head]Clue|Solved|Close|Nowhere Near
Ten drops Suffered|X||
Mother of Princes|X||
Eater of Terrors|X||
One of Three Faces|X||
Living Weapons||X|
Land of Deadly Ice Shards|||X
Once was a Dragon|X||
Lord the most High||X|
Ever do Sleep|||X[/table]

[arguskos]

HAH! I got everything... except for two... that others have gotten already... GORRAMITT!! :smallannoyed:

Why is it that the so called "easy" ones are the worst for me? Ah well, the prize is in sight, I MUST KEEP TRYING!!

And afro, though this is insanely hard, I love it. I'm looking forwards to another one in the future! :smallcool:

[afroakuma]

Well, if you're so confident, then bring it on! :smallamused:

Just remember before you go looking for more: this one was toned down.

[arguskos]

Well, if you're so confident, then bring it on! :smallamused:

Just remember before you go looking for more: this one was toned down.
Not yet I don't. I need the final two: Mother of Princes and Traitor to Evil. *sigh* Need some more time for those... since I'm still unsure about them. Damn, I was so sure that one I had for MoP was good. Argh...

Also, I want to see the HARD one (oh, and I want to break my brain on it XD).

[afroakuma]

I guess the rest of you had better hurry if you want to beat arguskos to the prize! :smallwink:

[arguskos]

I guess the rest of you had better hurry if you want to beat arguskos to the prize! :smallwink:
Hah! They better! And damnit, if someone DOES beat me, I want a consolation prize or something, for the effort and time I've tossed at this. :smallannoyed:

Also, ARGH #2/4. >_<

[afroakuma]

Well, the status is still the same. Can anyone do better than 4 out of 9?

[Magnor Criol]

I've got four, and have a guess for another three, and a vague idea for the rest.

Turns out the time I've spent reading DnD books for the hell of it may actually pay off.

[afroakuma]

Well, try your first go, then. See how you do.

[Magnor Criol]

You underestimate my perfectionism, my good man. =p

I'm going to get a "good idea" for most of them before I spend a guess.

And first I've got to go study for that differential equations test coming up, or else I'll never get anything done.

I just have to hope no one else has some flash brilliant insight in the meantime. =p

[afroakuma]

Very well. May the Force be with you. :smalltongue:

[Llama231]

I only think that I might have one.:smalltongue:

[afroakuma]

Well, it wasn't made to be easy. It's a race to the top, and there's only one prize.

[afroakuma]

By the way... the contest will end at 0000 EST, Monday March 2. So I suggest you all start racking your minds. :smallamused:

[arguskos]

By the way... the contest will end at 0000 EST, Monday March 2. So I suggest you all start racking your minds. :smallamused:
And if no one gets it, does the person with the most win?

[afroakuma]

And if no one gets it

You dare admit that possibility?


does the person with the most win?

That's what I am considering.

I'd like more people to take a stab at it, though. Grr, folks!

[arguskos]

You dare admit that possibility?



That's what I am considering.

I'd like more people to take a stab at it, though. Grr, folks!
1. Yes, yes I dare. Sadly. :smallfrown:

2. I'd like to see others take a crack at it too. It's hard, but amazingly fun. :smallamused:

[afroakuma]

Well, here's hoping for more entrants.

[Genios]

Gahhhh!!!! I just found this thread, 1 day before the deadline! I love puzzles, but I just don't have time! Noooooo!

[afroakuma]

4/9 is still the leading entrant! Surely someone can do better???

[arguskos]

I'm going to submit in about an hour... still gotta try and figure stuff out, since I've been busy for the last day or so.

Here's hoping I do alright!

EDIT: ....and there it goes!! Server willing, you'll receive it soon-ish. :smallsigh:

[afroakuma]

We have a new leader! The tally to beat is seven out of nine within the next hour.


{table=head]Clue|Solved|Close|Nowhere Near
Ten drops Suffered|X||
Mother of Princes|X||
Eater of Terrors|X||
One of Three Faces|X||
Living Weapons|X||
Land of Deadly Ice Shards|X||
Once was a Dragon|X||
Lord the most High|X||
Ever do Sleep|||X[/table]

Hmm... that number nine is causing trouble. :smallamused:

[afroakuma]

The contest has ended!

And nobody could solve that silly little ninth puzzle.

Very well, for survival of the fittest purposes, the winner is arguskos with 7 of 9 correct answers!

For those of you who were curious:


Ten drops has he suffered, to where he now lies
In a Pit below Pit where benevolence dies
Asmodeus, Lord of the Ninth

Mother of princes and children in chains
Shrouded to minds that cannot explain
Pale Night

Daughter of nightmare and serpent of doom
Eater of terror's from sleeping mind's womb
Dendar the Night Serpent

Traitor to evils, the one of three faces
Deep in a red prison, the lord of three races
Apomps the Triple-Aspected

Living weapons from a world most far
Wage heinous war below the stars
Witchlight Marauders

Frozen away in a horrible dark
Land of deadly ice shards like the teeth of a shark
Ocanthus, Fourth Layer of Acheron

Home of the shapers of terrible skin
Once was a dragon - now dark lies within
Khyber, the Darkness Below

Red he is lord of, and lord the most high
among mortal lords of the great lords of the sky
Duulket Ariakas

In far icy banishment ever do sleep
Those beings who cause ev'n immortals to weep
Esoteric knowledge is kept from thine eyes
But the solver shall earn a commensurate prize

Congratulations, arguskos!

[arguskos]

Yay!! My work pays off!

Now.... the big question is... uh... what now? It was stated that the prize was a villain, in VUAV-style. However, how would you like me to go about this? Just present my ideas/opinions? Let you have a blast with it?

[afroakuma]

You've been PM'ed.

The rest of you: I'd go look at the ninth answer if I were you...:smallamused:

[Magnor Criol]

Ritzin' fritzin' sassafrassin' internet was out at my apartment. I couldn't log on to send you my answers! :smallmad: Oh, well, I didn't beat arguskos' 7 anyhow.

Let's see...Asmodeus and Pale Night I got right off the bat. Khyber took a bit longer, because I was trying to think of individuals or races first, and didn't consider places, until I was browsing through an Eberron book and the phrase "the dragon below" hit me like a ton of bricks. Ocanthus came soon after that.

All the others, though - Dendar, Apomps, the Marauders, and Duulket - I never had a chance. I don't know any of those settings well at all (though I've wanted to read more on Planescape for a while).

Well, maybe I'll get lucky enough to discover riddle nine, yet.

[afroakuma]

Riddle Nine is virtually impossible. Seriously. Take it to Wizards' board, Mythweavers or anywhere else and see if you can get help cracking it.

[evil-frosty]

Now arguskos will you be sharing this villain?

[arguskos]

Well, that depends. If permitted, I might (though I might not, I'm rather unpredictable like that). :smalltongue:

[Juhn]

I knew Asmodeus and Ocanthus just from a look. Got Pale Night soon after.

Perhaps I should have attempted this.

[afroakuma]

There's still the ninth one. Anyone who solves it gets the same prize.

You can even post your guesses publicly, if you like. As it won't matter, number nine is impossible.

[Lord_Gareth]

...Are they the "herculean minds" of the Far Realms?

[afroakuma]

No. These are creatures that have actually been given a name.

[Thane of Fife]

Are we trying to identify the beings or the place? Or will you not tell us?

[afroakuma]

The beings.

[Adumbration]

I'm trying to think outside the box here, so please don't laugh... Are they, by any chance, Space Witchlight Marauders?

[afroakuma]

No, sorry. Witchlight Marauders were the fifth answer.

I swear, the name appears once in one 3.5 sourcebook, and again (though fairly obscurely) in a modern issue of Dragon.

[Adumbration]

Consuming Vortices of Traal, mayhaps, then? I'm starting to seriously doubt that I have the book with the referance. I've got what it might be down fairly well, but I just can't find anything that would really fit.

[afroakuma]

Well, list me the books you own, I'll see if you have it.

[Adumbration]

All right, here's the list:
- Arms and Equipment guide
- Deities and Demigods
- Dungeon Master's guide I&II
- Monster Manuals II and III
- Player's Handbook I&II
- Sword and Fist
- Unearthed Arcana
- Complete Divine, Arcane, Mage, Champion, Adventurer, Scoundrel and Psionic
- Races of Stone, Wilds, Destiny, Eberron and Dragon
- Savage Species
- Book of Exalted and Vile Deeds
- Fiendish Codexes I&II
- Lords of Madness
- Ghostwalk
- Champions of Valor
- Draconomicon
- Fiend Folio
- Frostburn
- Sandstorm
- Heroes of Battle
- Heroes of Horror
- Libris Mortis
- Manual of the Planes
- Planar Handbook
- Stormwrack
- Underdark
- Spell Compedium
- Tome of Magic
- Dragon Magic
- Expanded Psionics Handbook
- Magic of Incarnum
- Miniatures Handbook
- Tome of Battle

That should be about it, excluding a few 3rd party books.

[afroakuma]

Sorry bud, you do own it.

Happy searching. :smallredface:

[Thane of Fife]

Wait, wait, I've got it:


Frost Giants. No, hear me out.

Proof:

Given: Onions make people cry.

Frost Giants are Giant type creatures.

Ogres are Giant type creatures.

Therefore, Frost Giants are like Ogres.

Ogres are like Onions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9nJlXLF06k)

By the Transitive Property, Frost Giants are like Onions, and thus make people cry.

And, you know, they live in the cold.

QED
:smallbiggrin:

[afroakuma]

*sigh* I really didn't want to do this.

A second clue. On the same thing. Hopefully someone can get it now.



'Prisoned by fact in dark fantasies reaching
primordial knowledge forms dark lady's teaching

[arguskos]

Hmm.... that's fairly tough still. I was thinking it was something involving Shar... but it can't be, since Shar isn't in any of the books Adumbration owns. :smallconfused:

Seems... interesting.

Also, afro, did you get my PM from the other day, with preferences in it?

[afroakuma]

I did. I am presently brewing with fierce clouds of darkness.

Speaking of darkness, VUAV X will appear soon.

[arguskos]

Very cool. Wasn't sure, since I hadn't heard back. :smallcool: Take thy time, no rush, no hurry.

That said, yay VUAV X! I'm not sure if I should be excited or terrified.... :smalleek:

[Shadow_Elf]

Remorhazes?

The Worm that Walks?

Can you tell I've been wondering how to use my Purple Worm mini lately?

[evil-frosty]

Here's my first guess, don't laugh if its completely off i am horrible at riddles, could it be the Vashar or Jerren?

More guesses will be coming soon as i look at a few of my books.

[Llama231]

Also, afro, did you get my PM from the other day, with preferences in it?

It's a good thing that I did not win...

I continue to lack any idea about any of these, and yes, even the one I thought that I might have had was wrong.

Xixecal?

My list of source books that I own:

Core 3.
PH 2
MM 1 to 5
Epic Level Handbook
Draconomicon
Secrets of Xen' Drik
Ebberon Campaign Setting
Exlemplars of Evil
All MMs
Complete Warrior and Adventurer
Savage Species
Libris Mortis
Heroes of Horror
Races of the Dragon
World's Largest Dungeon
Other 3rd Party Junk

[afroakuma]

Well, you have no access to it, then.

[Shadow_Elf]

By cross-referencing the two lists, I have come up with this list:


- Arms and Equipment guide
- Deities and Demigods
- Dungeon Master's Guide II
- Sword and Fist
- Unearthed Arcana
- Complete Divine, Arcane, Mage, Champion, Scoundrel and Psionic
- Races of Stone, Wilds, Destiny, and Eberron
- Book of Exalted and Vile Deeds
- Fiendish Codexes I & II
- Lords of Madness
- Ghostwalk
- Champions of Valor
- Fiend Folio
- Frostburn
- Sandstorm
- Heroes of Battle
- Manual of the Planes
- Planar Handbook
- Stormwrack
- Underdark
- Spell Compedium
- Tome of Magic
- Dragon Magic
- Expanded Psionics Handbook
- Magic of Incarnum
- Miniatures Handbook
- Tome of Battle


and afro, how close is everyone to the answer? Nowhere near? I'm having a hard time, not having access to anything but the SRD.

[evil-frosty]

Another Guess since i see Incarnum on the list of books: A perfect soul, makes the gods weep.

[afroakuma]

Nobody's hit remotely close to the answer.

The best by raw proximity would be arguskos' guess, the Outer Beings.

[LordZarth]

Hmm. Maybe I should try my hand, which is very inexperienced, at this. In any of these books?

- Deities and Demigods
- Complete Divine
- Complete Arcane
- Complete Psionic
- Races of Stone or Eberron
- BOED/BOVD
- Lords of Madness
- Fiend Folio
- Manual of the Planes
- Planar Handbook
- Magic of Incarnum
- Miniatures Handbook
- Tome of Battle

[afroakuma]

EDIT: Zarth, you changed your list. Now I can't comment, one way or the other.

[Agrippa]

Queen of Air and Darkness?

[afroakuma]

Not unless she's in the being frozen business.

[LordZarth]

Aargh, forums ate my post. I edited, saying that I can't find a couple books that I thought I had access to, and was too lazy to look through. Eh, I'll go find them, unless you can comment on that list.

[afroakuma]

No, I can't, because I'd already confirmed that it was on the previous list. If I confirm the current list, it means the removed books can be excluded from consideration. If I do not, it means the removed books are the source.

So no, I won't be commenting. And I don't intend to comment on any more lists.

You should be able to weed out some of the less likely sources.

[LordZarth]

No, I can't, because I'd already confirmed that it was on the previous list. If I confirm the current list, it means the removed books can be excluded from consideration. If I do not, it means the removed books are the source.

So no, I won't be commenting. And I don't intend to comment on any more lists.

You should be able to weed out some of the less likely sources.

Mmm, true. I didn't think of that. No matter, I found one of them anyway (the Codices).

[afroakuma]

Well, good luck. I hope you find it.

[LordZarth]

Well, good luck. I hope you find it.

Yeah, right. (@ find it, not your hoping) I've really only been playing D&D a couple of years, and sporadically to boot.

[afroakuma]

You'd have had to have been playing for well over a decade to be expected to have any familiarity with this thing.

For the rest of us, a casual brush with the knowledge is all one can possibly expect.

[LordZarth]

Hold on--I might actually have a teensy chance at this.

I opened up my Codex to a random page, and found "Special--Ulgurshek is not a demon lord, but an ancient entity created before the formation of the Great Wheel". He is apparently a 'draeden'.

Wiki: In the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game, draedens are massive, ancient beings that predate the multiverse. Draedens have conflicted with the immortals (or deities) in the past. The 92nd layer of the Abyss, known as Ulgurshek, is actually a draeden who lay dormant while the Abyss formed around it. Other draedens may exist in dormancy deep within the Paraelemental Plane of Ice, entrapped in similar fashion to Ulgurshek, eons ago by the waxing reality of the Great Wheel's inner planes.

Am I grasping at straws?

EDIT: "I gave a little nod to it in turn by inserting the Demiplane of Draedenden into Dragon 353." In Dragon? You said that...

[afroakuma]

LordZarth: You found it. You win the prize.


In far icy banishment ever do sleep
Those beings who cause ev'n immortals to weep
'Prisoned by fact in dark fantasies reaching
primordial knowledge forms dark lady's teaching
Draedens

[LordZarth]

LordZarth: You found it. You win the prize.
:smalleek:
:smallconfused:
:smallfrown:
:eek:

Are. You. Kidding. Me.

Do you realize the epic chances I just surmounted? Statisticians everywhere are moaning.

Forums and smilies fail to illustrate the "WHAT?!" and "OHMYGOD?!" I am currently experiencing, as well as the high heart rate of excitement.

...seriously, what are the chances? :smalleek: I should have entered the lottery...

[afroakuma]

Do you realize the epic chances I just surmounted?

Uhhh... yeah, I do. I had to go pull that piece of profound lore out in the first place.

You are being PM'ed your prize info.

To the rest: thanks for playing!

[LordZarth]

Hmm. Two questions:

1. Is there actually a prize? Because that would be... ridiculously awesome... EDIT: Ninja'd by the ninja of ninjas

2. 'Prisoned by fact in dark fantasies reaching
primordial knowledge forms dark lady's teaching' I don't get it. Can you explain?

[afroakuma]

That would actually be from Ulgurshek's info in that same book.

Prisoned by fact
Ulgurshek was trapped when the Abyss formed around it.

in dark fantasies reaching
There aren't many fantasies darker than the Abyss. Also "fantasies" in the concept of beliefs, as the Abyss is an Outer Plane and thus shaped by ideals.

primordial knowledge
Draedens are older than the Great Wheel. They have a heck of a lot of info available.

forms dark lady's teaching
Lolth communes with Ulgurshek, who gives her strategies and information from his own time.

[LordZarth]

<snip>
forms dark lady's teaching
Lolth communes with Ulgurshek, who gives her strategies and information from his own time.

Oh, I get it. Those were really good riddles!

The last one--where did you find that?

[afroakuma]

Oh, I get it. Those were really good riddles!

Of course. :smallamused:


The last one--where did you find that?

I don't even remember how I first stumbled upon them... it was before I read the Fiendish Codex...

AH! Yes, I recall now. I was studying up on the most ancient, most secret lore of the multiverse, and while researching beings who would give even these extreme creatures pause, I happened to catch mention of them.

[arguskos]

IT WAS JUST DRAEDENS?!?! DAMN YOU AFRO!!

I was expecting something FAAAAR more diabolical and special, not just the freakin' Draedens. :smallfrown:

I mean, seriously. They don't make SQUAT weep, since nothing EXISTED when they did!

Of course, it was amazingly obscure, and very much unknown to most people, but I was expecting more than that. I was expecting something more "Elder Evil" scaled, not just beings that don't exist anymore, because reality confined them.

Note: Way to go Lord Zarth. I had considered Draedens, but dismissed them on the grounds of being too well-known. Looks like I was too analytical. :smallannoyed:

[Adumbration]

Aww, last night after Afroakuma posted that the answer was somewhere in the books, I looked at the clock and decided to go to sleep, next morning beginning the search. I had already narrowed it down that the answer would be either somewhere in the theme books (Lords of Madness, etc.) or one of the Codexes.

I should've stayed up all night... :smallfrown:

[afroakuma]

I was expecting something FAAAAR more diabolical and special, not just the freakin' Draedens. :smallfrown:

Your mistake. :smallamused: I'm frankly surprised you know of them.


I mean, seriously. They don't make SQUAT weep, since nothing EXISTED when they did!

Incorrect. They waged war against the Immortals to stop the formation of the multiverse. The only reason they agreed to peace is because they decided to just wait it out and then come back with a vengeance.

[arguskos]

Your mistake. :smallamused: I'm frankly surprised you know of them.
Of course I do. They're pretty damn neat, and I like neat things. :smallwink:


Incorrect. They waged war against the Immortals to stop the formation of the multiverse. The only reason they agreed to peace is because they decided to just wait it out and then come back with a vengeance.
[Citation Needed] From what source do you draw this? I am guessing.... Planescape, 2nd Edition, meaning I wouldn't have known about it, because I didn't get heavily into esoteric planar knowledge until recently.

Oh well.... I could have had a 8/9, but damnit, I over-analyzed. :smallsigh: It's not that I didn't get 8/9, it's that I overlooked the answer right in front of my face... like an idiot. /facepalm
Anyways, excellent job Zarth. You should feel proud, you managed to score a prize, and only had to solve one riddle! :smallbiggrin:

[Daracaex]

You said one of the things was only mentioned once in a D&D book and was actually mostly from another game, right? Was that Draedens? What other game are they in?