Skjaldbakka
2009-03-05, 12:54 AM
Ok, so there is a skill trick or something that is similar, but I had a thought for an alternate use of diplomacy, that would neither be arbitrary nor broken.
You can make a diplomacy check to try to get an ally to come to his senses when effected my a mind-affecting compulsion. Your ally must be able to see and hear you for this to work.
Note, the -10 penalty for a rushed diplomacy check does apply if you are not able to spend a minute or two on the check. Such as if the effect in question is 'dominated and compelled to attack you'.
Mechanic:
Make a diplomacy check against the save DC of the effect you are trying to remove. If you succeed, your ally is allowed an additional saving throw at a -5 penalty. This penalty is reduced by 1 for every 5 pts you exceed the save DC with your skill check. It is possible to grant a bonus to the check if your skill check is sufficiently high. You can aid another on this roll. Only one attempt is allowed per effect per day.
Some numbers:
Level 5: Avg save DC for a mind effect is 17
Untrained PC, 10 charisma: In combat, cannot succeed, out of combat, needs a 17 or higher.
Trained PC, 10 charisma: In combat, unlikely to succeed, probably not worth trying. Out of combat, likely to succeed, but not to reduce the penalty.
Trained PC, 18 CHA: In combat, unlikely to succeed, needing 15 or better, but at those odds, might be worth trying every once and awhile.
Out of combat, the penalty is reduced to -4, on average.
Twinked for Diplomacy: 20 cha, circlet of persusaion, all 3 synergys, for a total of (8r+5cha+3circlet+6syn) +22 diplomacy, in combat, is likely to succeed with only a -4 penalty to the save, and out of combat, is likely to bring that save to a -2 penalty.
Level 10:
avg DC: 21
Trained, good CHA: needs a 13 in combat, 3 out of combat for save at -5.
Twinked:max ranks and syn. as before, CHA is 24, and also has a +5 skill item:
+34 mod. On average grants a -2 penalty on the additional save.
Still does not seem ridiculous.
You can make a diplomacy check to try to get an ally to come to his senses when effected my a mind-affecting compulsion. Your ally must be able to see and hear you for this to work.
Note, the -10 penalty for a rushed diplomacy check does apply if you are not able to spend a minute or two on the check. Such as if the effect in question is 'dominated and compelled to attack you'.
Mechanic:
Make a diplomacy check against the save DC of the effect you are trying to remove. If you succeed, your ally is allowed an additional saving throw at a -5 penalty. This penalty is reduced by 1 for every 5 pts you exceed the save DC with your skill check. It is possible to grant a bonus to the check if your skill check is sufficiently high. You can aid another on this roll. Only one attempt is allowed per effect per day.
Some numbers:
Level 5: Avg save DC for a mind effect is 17
Untrained PC, 10 charisma: In combat, cannot succeed, out of combat, needs a 17 or higher.
Trained PC, 10 charisma: In combat, unlikely to succeed, probably not worth trying. Out of combat, likely to succeed, but not to reduce the penalty.
Trained PC, 18 CHA: In combat, unlikely to succeed, needing 15 or better, but at those odds, might be worth trying every once and awhile.
Out of combat, the penalty is reduced to -4, on average.
Twinked for Diplomacy: 20 cha, circlet of persusaion, all 3 synergys, for a total of (8r+5cha+3circlet+6syn) +22 diplomacy, in combat, is likely to succeed with only a -4 penalty to the save, and out of combat, is likely to bring that save to a -2 penalty.
Level 10:
avg DC: 21
Trained, good CHA: needs a 13 in combat, 3 out of combat for save at -5.
Twinked:max ranks and syn. as before, CHA is 24, and also has a +5 skill item:
+34 mod. On average grants a -2 penalty on the additional save.
Still does not seem ridiculous.