Airsoft rifles

[Egiam]

I am considering purchasing a new airsoft spring rifle in the 40-55 dollar range. These are the two I am leaning toward:

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=899&UID=1240507088-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

and http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=61&UID=1240507126-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

What do you playgrounders think? any other suggestions?

[Darth Stabber]

Go with the second one. Much cooler looking!

[BizzaroStormy]

I'd have to go with the FAMAS on this one. The MP5 would bet better as an electronic model. Anyway, the main thing about the FAMAS is the rail on the top which will allow you to put a scope or something up there to help with accuracy since you probably wont get many follow up shots before they hit you.

[Egiam]

http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AR-AGM-VSR-001W.htm

What do you guys think of this?

Still leaning towards the Famas

[BizzaroStormy]

Depends on what you're wanting to do. The famas' rail makes it better for a mid-long range weapon provided you put a red dot or a scope on it. However, if you wanted to go for sniping from the beginning, I would go with the rifle.

[Mystic Muse]

yeah it entirely depends on what you want it to do. if you plan on sniping and have a large arena for airsoft then go with the rifle. otherwise go for the first one you posted. the second one looks cooler but the first one is more effective.

[Egiam]

More Ideas! (Leaning towards second link (m5) here)

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1039&UID=1240620235-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=867&UID=1240620269-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

By the way, I own this pistol (http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1184&UID=1240620405-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=)and would like my rifle to be able to compete with it. I intend to use the pistol as a backup weapon. I would also like my rifle to compete with the FAMAS.

[Egiam]

Check this thing out!

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1039&UID=1240622928-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

Is my pistol even in the same league as this?

I think this is the real deal, but...

[BizzaroStormy]

From what I'm seeing, the only big differences between the guns you've shown are cosmetic except for the FAMAS having the rail on top, which would be a selling point for me. However, I'd probably just grab the sniper if going for a spring gun.

Honesly, with a pistol like that you probably dont even need a rifle (excluding the sniper), just slap a laser on it and there ya go.

[rankrath]

I'm going to have to step in, in order to prevent you from making a number of mistakes made by myself when I was first getting into airsoft, as well as countless other newcomers.
Number one, don't buy from or listen to shortyUSA. Many of the reviews on the site are written by employees of the company, furthermore, their prices are inflated by $20-30 or more than on other sites, and they charge for shipping, whereas many other sites do not. Tip number two, avoid cybergun products at all cost, everything they make is of low quality and breaks easily. In all honesty, your best bet is to stick with the pistol you already own, almost every spring rifle on the market is a waste of your money. If you're serious about getting into airsoft, save up a $150 or so and buy an ECHO1 or JG from http://www.airsoftgi.com (http://www.airsoftgi.com/index.php) or http://www.airsoftatlanta.com (http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/index.htm), both sites that I have had good experiences with. If all you're interested in is plinking around, just stick with the pistol.

[Egiam]

Pirate:
Thanks for the guidance. Any particular lazer?

Rankrath:
IK, But I like the good pictures and accurate stats (FPS, etc...). I have looked at plenty of other websites.

For getting serious (mid-high level), Gas is pretty much out. It gets to cold to often where I am.

For electric AEG'S, any specific one?

Thanks.



I'm still open to other options.

[BizzaroStormy]

Frankly, anything with a good reliability/cost ratio would probably be good. All I really have are a handful of cheapo Airsoft guns from department/sporting goods stores. A Double Eagle M85 (G36C), Which is pretty reliable but I cant find any mags for it; a Stunt Studios SS47 (AK 47) Which has a high capacity mag where once I run out of BBs, I just spin a wheel on the bottom of the mag to get more, and lastly a very cheap M1911 that was obliterated by its own spring. (Seriously, after firing it 9 times the spring launched half the gun into the woods, guess thats what you get for $8).

Anyway, unless you want to double your range and invest in a sniper rifle, you'd probably be better off getting a laser for the pistol instead of a new gun altogether. That way that's 10 or so less pounds yo have to carry around. The site you linked seemed to have a pretty limited selection of lasers so I'd look around before buying.

[Egiam]

How does this look for a "serious" AEG?


http://www.airgundepot.com/utg-ak47-warhawk-commando-aeg-airsoft-rifle.html

[rankrath]

If you're looking some a gun in that price range, look for a JG or ECHO1. However, before buying an AEG, consider how often you play/where you play. If all you're doing is some backyard plinking or small games, an AEG is generally too much gun.

[Egiam]

Hows this look?

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=154_156&products_id=2167

[DrakebloodIV]

I'd recommend this for several reasons

-Higher FPS and Rate of Fire
-All metal internal workings
-CO2 > Electric in lower price airsoft guns

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=1421

[The Rose Dragon]

Now I wish I knew more about airsoft rifles so I could find a nice airsoft P90.

I don't suppose they make bolt-action airsoft rifles, since you wouldn't need to eject the cartridge.

EDIT: One question: Are they airsoft rifles, meaning the barrel is rifled, or are they airsoft guns, meaning the barrel is smooth?

[BizzaroStormy]

Now I wish I knew more about airsoft rifles so I could find a nice airsoft P90.

I don't suppose they make bolt-action airsoft rifles, since you wouldn't need to eject the cartridge.

EDIT: One question: Are they airsoft rifles, meaning the barrel is rifled, or are they airsoft guns, meaning the barrel is smooth?

There are bolt-action airsoft rifles, you just dont get an ejected cartidge when you **** it.

[The Rose Dragon]

Another question: are real-cap magazines readily available?

Is there a list of general advice on picking airsoft guns?

EDIT: Also, any shotguns without pump-action (preferably semi-auto)?

[BizzaroStormy]

If by "Real-cap" you mean "Magazines that only hold as much as a real one" then yes. You may need to look around though.

[Egiam]

Hows this look?

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=154_156&products_id=2167


???

anyone?

@Drake
Uh... no thanks. It's too cold where I live for gas.

[DrakebloodIV]

I don't suppose they make bolt-action airsoft rifles, since you wouldn't need to eject the cartridge.

EDIT: One question: Are they airsoft rifles, meaning the barrel is rifled, or are they airsoft guns, meaning the barrel is smooth?

They technically dont have rifling, but high quality airsoft weapons have hop up, which means their shots travel in an arc. Which effectively increases their range and velocity but causes aiming trouble at close range.

Bolt action rifles exist, they are generally very high quality spring loaded weapons. I have one and it is dead accurate.

@Egiam
If you're not gonna do gas then focus on getting one with a lot of metal in the body. Avoid kalashnikovs 'cause the number of knock offs on them is much higher than any other gun. The one you have there is both made in China and has a significant amout of plastic parts. Thats two strikes against it already.

The Socom (http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=1639) is an amazing gun. High FPS, large clip, very accurate (especially on semi), mostly metal. Sadly, its discontinued. If you can find it used than you are a lucky lucky person. I also like the Broxa Evolution (http://www.aftermathairsoft.com/rifles.aspx?productID=29) it's not as durable as the Socom (The clip has a nasty habit of breaking) and has a slightly slower fps, but it is deadly accurate and manuverable as well as being incredibly light. It also has built in weaver rails on the sides which are great for scopes and a laser.

[Egiam]

How about this (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_166&products_id=2108)one?

[Egiam]

I have essentially narrowed my search for a budget, mid level aeg that will compete with high end aegs to:

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=894&UID=1241803380-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

http://www.airsoft.com/ER-WELL-R6-M4A1.htm

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=154_156&products_id=2108

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_163&products_id=2167
(in order)

What do you think?

Any other recommendations?

[Egiam]

*bump*

anyone?

[The Rose Dragon]

Did you consider a bullpup design? While M4A1s are considerably customizable, they are not as compact as, say, P90, which can also accept several add-ons.

If you're going for the look, you may try to find a M4 Commando. It is easier to carry around and looks like an M4A1 with a shorter barrel. The greatest drawback of this is the slightly reduced range and higher recoil (IIRC), which are not really applicable to airsoft guns, since they don't drive masses as large as 5.56 bullets and they don't have to eject cartridges.

((Actually, I just realized that M4A1 is actually a carbine and rather shorter than the assault rifle counterpart, M16. You're still better off with the Commando, or a P90.))

P.S. Do note that my advice is based on online research and not real-life experience. It may not be as applicable to actual airsoft combat and airsoft guns in general.

[Egiam]

Something like this? (http://www.amazon.com/P90-Electric-Airsoft-Gun-AEG/dp/B000PD8KC2)

Or this? (http://www.airsoftstation.com/echo-1-model4-m4-commando-electric-airsoft-rifle-aeg.html)

[DrakebloodIV]

Have you thought about sniper rifles at all? Cause your price range is right at where the best entry level spring rifles are.

This (http://www.phatzairsoft.com/Black_Type_96_Airsoft_Sniper_Rifle_Shadow_OPS_p/lesoft-s368bh%5Bpy-1211-2165%5D.htm) is pretty darn good and if you get some .2g bbs and a scope for it than it kills. Getting a hang of hop up is tough though.

FYI hop up is when one gives backspin to the BB which causes a low pressure zone right at the top of the bb. This causes the BB to go up, giving its flight an arc. This increases range but takes some adjusting to because at close range you will have to aim lower. For instance, at around thirty feet aiming for the center mass causes a headshot, while at a hundred feet it causes a body shot.

[Egiam]

So... I went with the UTG spring Warhawk. It rocks!

Now I am looking around for a first AEG. Right now I am leaning towards the Echo 1 Stag (m4/m16) series.

What do you think? Will this compete with high end AEG?

[Egiam]

This thing: http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1544&UID=1242936119-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

[The Rose Dragon]

I don't know if it's the angle, but the barrel is too long.

Unless you're never going to get in close quarters, I suggest against it. Go with a bullpup. You mentioned a FAMAS model in the first post; even that will be better than an M16.

[Egiam]

How about this? (http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1542&UID=1243013638-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=)

[The Rose Dragon]

That looks good.

I'm not sure what you have against bullpup designs, though.

[Egiam]

I think this one looks cooler.

Also If I join a team, It will probably be US military-themed, and an AUG Steyr seems out of place beside m16s

With of these looks better to you?:

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1542&UID=1243017474-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

or

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_166&products_id=2108

[The Rose Dragon]

Join as special forces. They get all kinds of different stuff.

Not military, but some SWAT teams are equipped with P90s as well.

[Egiam]

Thank you for all the help in the "Airsoft rifles" thread. This time I am searching for an affordable gas Nonblow back pistol under 330 fps (w/ .20s). For some psychological reason I feel against using flammable gas (propane) in a gun. Can you help me?

Here are ones I am considering:
this (http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1228&UID=1243355174-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=)
this (HFC 1911 Gas Non Blow Back Airsoft Pistol Black)
this (http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1497&UID=1243355509-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=)
and this (http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1496&UID=1243355559-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=)

Any thoughts, suggestions, rants?

[expirement10K14]

I have this (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_163&products_id=1974), with a sighted TASCO scope ($20 at wal mart), and it has not yet failed me. Folding stock allows close range, accuracy at long range.

And where do you live that you have teams? Around here it is like 8-10 kids in the woods on weekends hoping the police don't show up.

Edit: As far as pistols go.
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_25_151&products_id=3791
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_25_151&products_id=4812

The first is a great deal, but over your FPS limit. The second I believe you already linked (diff company, same specs), but I think this one is something like $30 cheaper.

[Egiam]

I Think I will "go serious" a year or 2. Until then, I am just looking to continue my spring skirmishes and get a gas pistol.

[expirement10K14]

I Think I will "go serious" a year or 2. Until then, I am just looking to continue my spring skirmishes and get a gas pistol.

Then don't go Crosman, that will break. As far as spring goes I know very little, but the spring shotguns are very good for not. I have seen this (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_181&products_id=3133) win against AEG's using the right strategies.

[Egiam]

Also, I would like it if my gas pistol could hold it's own in a "serious" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxq1tRcJWXs&feature=PlayList&p=E6378E946EC97C0B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=23) match. Will these do the trick?

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1228&UID=1243872021-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1228&UID=1243872021-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=1496&UID=1243872095-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=

[Egiam]

How about this? (http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GP-302BH-M9.htm)

[expirement10K14]

In all honesty, for a serious match a pistol is useless. AEG's and high FPS bolt actions/springers are your best bet.

[Egiam]

As a sidearm?...

[Egiam]

Here (http://www.airsplat.com/Items/GP-KJW-1911-CO2.htm):

If I go co2.

But if someone can explain to me why to use flammable gas, probably this (http://www.shortyusa.com/airsoft.html?http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=996&UID=1244054880-69.178.88.185&CA=&RID=)one.

[Egiam]

I have pretty much decided on one of these:

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_237&products_id=3517

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=139_24_237&products_id=3542

Any thoughts on which one?

[Shevarash's_Son]

BOTH ARE PLASTIC
this is a problem for me but it may not be a problem for you
1

has a retactable stock
shorter barrel

2

has a non retactable stock
longer barrel

number 2 uses a larger battery making it fire faster
number 1 would be better for close range combat
number 2 has a longer barrel and that means more accuracy
if you are going to be longer range use 2
short range use 1

[warty goblin]

BOTH ARE PLASTIC
this is a problem for me but it may not be a problem for you
1

has a retactable stock
shorter barrel

2

has a non retactable stock
longer barrel

number 2 uses a larger battery making it fire faster
number 1 would be better for close range combat
number 2 has a longer barrel and that means more accuracy
if you are going to be longer range use 2
short range use 1

I've not playe Airsoft, but I've fired both a paintball gun modeled after the M16, and an actual M4, and I can tell you that the retractable stock is very helpful. It just makes shooting that much more comfortable and natural feeling.

[Shevarash's_Son]

I've not playe Airsoft, but I've fired both a paintball gun modeled after the M16, and an actual M4, and I can tell you that the retractable stock is very helpful. It just makes shooting that much more comfortable and natural feeling.

paintball is a lot different from airsoft i know sence (i cant spell) i play both


a sub to both the rifles you chose
1http://www.airsoftpost.com/full-metal-airsoft-rifle-peq2-p-30905.html
2http://www.airsoftpost.com/dboy-matrix-full-metal-airsoft-sniper-rifle-p-31317.html

[Roland St. Jude]

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