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Warclam
2009-04-29, 05:15 PM
Is there a large-sized Humanoid with lowish HD? The type Humanoid, not just human-shaped.

And before you ask: yes, it's intended for Alter Self cheese.

Thurbane
2009-04-29, 07:29 PM
The only thing that comes to mind is a permanent Enlarge Person...

Chronos
2009-04-29, 07:42 PM
The Half-Minotaur template keeps the type of whatever it's applied to, but everything relating to it is broken six ways from Sunday, anyway. And besides, I don't think Alter Self can give you anything with a template.

monty
2009-04-29, 07:44 PM
The half-ogre and half-minotaur templates from Dragon #313 both increase a Medium creature to Large, for +1 LA. If you're already using this for cheese, then those templates shouldn't bother you much.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2009-04-29, 07:53 PM
Half-Ogre changes you to Giant, Half-Minotaur changes you to Monstrous Humanoid. He already said he wants to Alter Self into a large-size humanoid, and you can't take the form of a creature with a template.

Humanoids generally aren't large size, most are either Giants or Monstrous Humanoids. My advice for using Alter Self would be to make an Elan (+0 LA Aberration) or a Warforged (+0 LA Construct), and take the form of a creature of one of those types. Another idea would be to make a +0 LA Aasimar or Tiefling (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a), for which you never have to spend a level (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20030824a) to gain the +1 LA and other racial qualities, and Alter Self into Outsider forms.

If your character is already made, a Troglodyte is generally considered one of the best combat forms for Alter Self due to its +6 natural armor bonus.

monty
2009-04-29, 08:05 PM
Half-Ogre changes you to Giant, Half-Minotaur changes you to Monstrous Humanoid. He already said he wants to Alter Self into a large-size humanoid, and you can't take the form of a creature with a template.

Half-Minotaur: "The base creature's type does not change."
Half-Ogre: "The base creature's type does not change."

Right on the second part, though.

Keld Denar
2009-04-29, 08:15 PM
If your character is already made, a Troglodyte is generally considered one of the best combat forms for Alter Self due to its +6 natural armor bonus.

Tren (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20040613a&page=4)'s are better for NA purposes and they have the amphibious subtype and a swim speed.

Warclam
2009-04-29, 08:43 PM
Yeah, I didn't really expect there to be any, but hope springs eternal. Ah well.

I did see the Tren, though. That's a pretty sweet form.

Chronos
2009-04-29, 10:58 PM
Another idea would be to make a +0 LA Aasimar or Tiefling, for which you never have to spend a level to gain the +1 LA and other racial qualities,Your link that says you never have to take the other level only applies to templates. The general rules for monster classes are in Savage Species, and they say that you do indeed need to take all of the monster class levels before you can start on any other class. You could still go Neraph for a 0-LA Outsider, though.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2009-04-30, 12:43 AM
Your link that says you never have to take the other level only applies to templates. The general rules for monster classes are in Savage Species, and they say that you do indeed need to take all of the monster class levels before you can start on any other class. You could still go Neraph for a 0-LA Outsider, though.

All of the Savage Progressions articles, whether base races or templates, follow the same rules given in my second link. They are completely independent of the Savage Species versions, and do not follow the same rules regarding when the level adjustment must be taken.


Tren are Aquatic: "An aquatic creature can breathe underwater. It cannot also breathe air unless it has the amphibious special quality." The moment you shape into one you begin suffocating unless you're underwater.

Darrin
2009-04-30, 07:43 AM
Is there a large-sized Humanoid with lowish HD? The type Humanoid, not just human-shaped.

And before you ask: yes, it's intended for Alter Self cheese.

There are four large humanoids:

Shinomen Naga, Chameleon. 2HD, 30', NA +3, Poison DC 13, +8 Hide and Move Silently.
Shinomen Naga, Asp. 3HD, 30', Swim 30', NA +4, Poison DC 14.
Shinomen Naga, Cobra. 3HD, 30', NA +5, Poison DC 13, Danger Sense.
Stingtail Asabi. 7HD, 40', Burrow 30', Poison DC 15.

The first three are in Oriental Adventures, p. 173. The last one is in Monsters of Faerun, p. 15, but has too many HD for Alter Self.



Tren are Aquatic: "An aquatic creature can breathe underwater. It cannot also breathe air unless it has the amphibious special quality." The moment you shape into one you begin suffocating unless you're underwater.

Crucian (Miniatures Handbook, p. 59) has NA +8, but it's slow (20'). Phaerlock isn't too shabby either (FR Underdark, p. 97), NA +7, 30', +2 on Search and Spot, +4 on Balance, Jump, and Swim.

Gnorman
2009-04-30, 05:34 PM
Well, given that the Tren is marked as "semi-aquatic" in the description, I'm sure it was meant to be amphibious. Call it an oversight or an omission.

Any DM who disagrees most likely entertains fantasies of being the supreme court justice in Unnecessary Adherence to RAW Court.

Asgardian
2009-05-01, 07:33 AM
Is there a large-sized Humanoid with lowish HD? The type Humanoid, not just human-shaped.

And before you ask: yes, it's intended for Alter Self cheese.

Would a Goliath work for you? You'd count as Large in most ways that are beneficial to you


1. Whenever subjected to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check. This includes grapple checks, bull rush attempts, and trip attempts.

2. When determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size can affect him. This includes improved grab and swallow whole.

3. When determining what size of weapons the character can use.

mikej
2009-05-01, 07:43 AM
Would a Goliath work for you? You'd count as Large in most ways that are beneficial to you.

Goliath's are considered Monstrous Humanoid, soo that's a little off from what the OP desired.

Maybe consider changing your type to something that offers Large? It'll make it alot more simplier. Then something like the Goliath suggestion would be handy.

deuxhero
2009-05-01, 07:56 AM
Would a Goliath work for you? You'd count as Large in most ways that are beneficial to you


They are monstrous humanoids (hence the free simple weapon proficiency) last time I checked.

Edit:ninjaed.

Edit:didn't one book have a regional feat that could be taken at the first level that gave a human most of powerful builds benefits?

Darrin
2009-05-01, 09:52 AM
Edit:didn't one book have a regional feat that could be taken at the first level that gave a human most of powerful builds benefits?

Jotunbrud from Races of Faerun. Treats you as large for opposed checks and against certain attacks, but does not allow you to wield larger weapons without a penalty.

There's also a racial substitution level for Goliath barbarians that increases their size to Large while raging.