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Froogleyboy
2009-05-24, 10:31 AM
OK I'm playing a Wizard5/Cleric (C.E.)5/Mystic theurge 13. And I have 1,000,000 gp to spend on scrolls. My plan is to get one of every scroll I want and copy them into my spell book, What scrolls should I get?

Extra info: I'm not a specialist wizard.
I mainly want damage dealing/Kill spells

Bonus question: How do you figure the price of an un-listed scroll

Keld Denar
2009-05-24, 10:43 AM
Price for scrolls is 25g x Spell Level x Caster Level

Since caster level is usually minimum for a given spell level, you get this progression.

{table]Spell Level|Caster Level|Price
1|1|25
2|3|150
3|5|375
4|7|700
5|9|1125
6|11|1650
7|13|2275
8|15|3000
9|17|3825[/table]

As far as spells, open the spell compendium. Flip to the page on wizard spells. Get ALL of them.

Flickerdart
2009-05-24, 10:46 AM
You will want at least one spell for high levels that targets each save (and AC), a good spell that can't be stopped by Spell Resistance or saves, and the standard Wizard complement: Contingency, Celerity, Time Stop, etc.

shadow_archmagi
2009-05-24, 10:57 AM
Phantom Steed and Overland flight are always musts.

Froogleyboy
2009-05-24, 11:04 AM
Price for scrolls is 25g x Spell Level x Caster Level

Since caster level is usually minimum for a given spell level, you get this progression.

{table]Spell Level|Caster Level|Price
1|1|25
2|3|150
3|5|375
4|7|700
5|9|1125
6|11|1650
7|13|2275
8|15|3000
9|17|3825[/table]

As far as spells, open the spell compendium. Flip to the page on wizard spells. Get ALL of them.

So . . . . . Are 0 level spells FREE!

Volkov
2009-05-24, 11:05 AM
No they have half the price of level one spells.

Assassin89
2009-05-24, 11:08 AM
So . . . . . Are 0 level spells FREE!

No, they cost 12.5 gp. because caster level is 1 and spell level is 1/2. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm#zeroLevelSpells)

Flickerdart
2009-05-24, 11:08 AM
So . . . . . Are 0 level spells FREE!
Cantrips/orisons count as 1/2 level for all intents and purposes.

grautry
2009-05-24, 11:08 AM
So . . . . . Are 0 level spells FREE!

Nah, they cost 12.5gp.

But you get all 0th-level spells at your 1st level of Wizard and get all Cleric spells that you can cast anyway so it's kind of pointless if you want to use them for the purpose of copying them into your books.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2009-05-24, 11:55 AM
Buying scrolls to copy is a waste of money when you can pay a fraction of that cost by paying another wizard or an organization to copy spells from their book/library for only 50 gp per spell level. You can find it under Spells Copied from Another’s Spellbook or a Scroll (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#addingSpellstoaWizardsSpellbook), also on page 179 of the PHB. Instead of paying 3825 gp for a 9th level spell, it only costs 450 gp, less than an eighth the cost.

Also remember that it takes a page per spell level, and costs 100 gp per page to copy a spell into your book. You can get around that with the spell Secret Page, just fill an entire book with 1st level spells then use that to change those one-page 1st level spells into one-page 9th level and lower spells. You should also get a (Boccob's) Blessed Book, which has 1000 pages compared to a standard spellbook's 100 pages.

Kosjsjach
2009-05-24, 12:40 PM
I'll second the "Boccob's Blessed Book + scribing from another spellbook" route. Heck, if you use it in conjunction with secret page, you're saving a boatload on scribing costs.
Forgive me for not crunching the numbers right now. :smalltongue:

edit: Ah screw it, why not.
Blessed Book: 12'500gp, 1'000 pages, no scribing cost. Assuming you fill it in its entirety, you're saving 87'500gp and 9 spellbooks. If you double it up with secret page, that's another 100'000gp saved.

Scroll-bought, normally-scribed 9th-level spell: 4'725gp per spell.
Copied-from-spellbook, secret page / blessed book 9th-level spell: 450gp per spell.
You save 4'275gp per 9th-level spell. Three of those and you've more than recouped your losses from buying the blessed book.

arguskos
2009-05-24, 12:44 PM
I'll second the "Boccob's Blessed Book + scribing from another spellbook" route. Heck, if you use it in conjunction with secret page, you're saving a boatload on scribing costs.
Forgive me for not crunching the numbers right now. :smalltongue:
Normally, I'd be all over this, saying how it can save you SOO much money, but if you look at the OP's post again, you'll see where it says he has ONE MILLION GP to spend on just scrolls in his book. That's enough to buy and scribe every wizard spell every printed anywhere, ever, with some left over!

Really, just skip the damn details froogleyboy, and say you have everything, with 100k left over.

ericgrau
2009-05-24, 12:48 PM
Get every single cheap utility spell that you'll rarely use, probably a few copies of a lot of them. Various divinations, status effect fixing spells, spells to overcome strange challenges, etc. Now you don't have to prepare those oddball spells, yet you'll be prepared for anything. Especially since you're both a cleric and a wizard.

Get some Boccob's Blessed Books to hold all those spells, plus well secured backup copies in case you lose your book. Get practically every spell there is to copy into your book(s), like you said. Though technically you don't need to bother copying down the spells from the first paragraph.

Kosjsjach
2009-05-24, 01:04 PM
Normally, I'd be all over this, saying how it can save you SOO much money, but if you look at the OP's post again, you'll see where it says he has ONE MILLION GP to spend on just scrolls in his book. That's enough to buy and scribe every wizard spell every printed anywhere, ever, with some left over!

Heh, you're right. whoops. I get a bit over-enthusiastic with money-saving tricks.

Though the Blessed Book does still save on space! Whereas a normal spellbook will be hefty and only 100 pages, a Blessed Book is a "well-made tome is always of small size, typically no more than 12 inches tall, 8 inches wide, and 1 inch thick... durable, waterproof, bound with iron overlaid with silver, and locked." Even with a million gp (that feels weird to say, I always think in low-level terms) to throw away on scrolls and scribing, that's nice.

arguskos
2009-05-24, 01:14 PM
Heh, you're right. whoops. I get a bit over-enthusiastic with money-saving tricks.

Though the Blessed Book does still save on space! Whereas a normal spellbook will be hefty and only 100 pages, a Blessed Book is a "well-made tome is always of small size, typically no more than 12 inches tall, 8 inches wide, and 1 inch thick... durable, waterproof, bound with iron overlaid with silver, and locked." Even with a million gp (that feels weird to say, I always think in low-level terms) to throw away on scrolls and scribing, that's nice.
Hell, with a million to toss at the issue, I'd have my own damn private demiplane library, filled to the brim with Boccob's Blessed Books categorized by spell level and school, neatly alphabetized for easy reference (can you tell what my favorite character to play is?).

Quirinus_Obsidian
2009-05-24, 01:20 PM
Does it have to be just scrolls? That seems a waste of effort.

Ummm, RODS?!?! I would be making rods of awesomespellpwnzorrzZOMG imawizard!!! type stuff.

Wow... give a melee fanboy like me a million gold and you will see some interesting stuff.

Devils_Advocate
2009-05-24, 02:00 PM
If you have that much money to spend on scrolls, you might want to consider playing an Archivist (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20051007a&page=3) instead of a Cleric so you can get all of the divine spells.

On the other hand, it lacks Turn Undead, which eliminates all the potential (ab)uses of that. Choose carefully.

Epic Mystic Theurge is infamously sucky because it only progresses each type of casting every other level. It gives the same basic effect as alternating between your base classes, so there really was no point to them making this particular Epic progression. You're better off with another PrC that grants at least some dual casting progression, like True Necromancer (from Libris Mortis).

Cleric 3/Wizard 3/True Necromancer 14/Mystic Theurge 3 works way better than your listed build. Do it! The power of 9th level spells compels you!