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DM_of_the_Lazy
2009-06-02, 05:12 PM
Monkey grip says you cant use an oversized weapon in your off hand, is there another feat or some way to be able to use an oversized weapon in your off hand too?

Thanks

Doc Roc
2009-06-02, 05:16 PM
Strong-arm bracers + Enlarge person == Why did I spend a feat on monkey grip again?

Goatman_Ted
2009-06-02, 05:32 PM
Powerful build (Half-Giant and Goliath racial trait) and Strongarm Bracers (MIC) fit the bill.

RTGoodman
2009-06-02, 05:34 PM
If you really want to, I think there's an Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting feat in... Complete Adventurer? Or maybe Complete Warrior.

Sanguine
2009-06-02, 05:38 PM
If you really want to, I think there's an Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting feat in... Complete Adventurer? Or maybe Complete Warrior.


That feat doesn't fit this thread. What it does is make one-handed off-hand weapons be treated as light for the purpose of two-weapon fighting penalties. It has nothing to do with using a two-handed weapon in your off-hand.

RTGoodman
2009-06-02, 06:27 PM
That feat doesn't fit this thread. What it does is make one-handed off-hand weapons be treated as light for the purpose of two-weapon fighting penalties. It has nothing to do with using a two-handed weapon in your off-hand.

No one said anything about looking for a way to use a two-handed weapon in your off-hand. OTWF lets you "use an oversized weapon in your off hand" in that you can use a bigger weapon in your off-hand than normal without the penalties.

It's not the exact same thing, but it serves almost the same purpose since, well, a Large shortsword (a light weapon) in your off-hand does the same damage as a Medium longsword (normally a one-handed weapon). With OTWF, you don't take the bigger penalties for that longsword in your offhand.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2009-06-02, 07:24 PM
A character with the Major Titan Bloodline (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.htm#titan) lets a character wield a weapon as though they were one size larger. Wear Strongarm Bracers and use a weapon with the Balanced property from the Arms and Equipment Guide, and you'll have a medium sized character using a gargantuan sized weapon without penalty.

Deepblue706
2009-06-02, 08:08 PM
A character with the Major Titan Bloodline (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.htm#titan) lets a character wield a weapon as though they were one size larger. Wear Strongarm Bracers and use a weapon with the Balanced property from the Arms and Equipment Guide, and you'll have a medium sized character using a gargantuan sized weapon without penalty.

Does this mean that after being hit with an Enlarge Person, your weapon will get to Colossal size (as what you use grows with you)?

Sinfire Titan
2009-06-02, 09:08 PM
A character with the Major Titan Bloodline (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/bloodlines.htm#titan) lets a character wield a weapon as though they were one size larger. Wear Strongarm Bracers and use a weapon with the Balanced property from the Arms and Equipment Guide, and you'll have a medium sized character using a gargantuan sized weapon without penalty.

Isn't the Titan Bloodline supposed to be "As the Oversized Weapon ability of the Titan"? In which case, wouldn't you be able to wield Gargantuan weapons off the bat?


I know it's debatable, but that really does make for a cool image. Plus it makes the Titan bloodline worth something (otherwise it's a +2 LA version of Powerful Build with a bunch of other uselessness tagged on).

RTGoodman
2009-06-02, 09:22 PM
Isn't the Titan Bloodline supposed to be "As the Oversized Weapon ability of the Titan"? In which case, wouldn't you be able to wield Gargantuan weapons off the bat?

Yeah, I've seen several debates about it before, but the RAW is that you gain the Titan's Oversized Weapon ability, which says, "A titan wields a great, two-handed warhammer (big enough for Gargantuan creatures) without penalty." So even your lowly pixie with a titan bloodline (don't try to think how it's possible) is toting around a 4d6 weapon. :smallconfused:

Sinfire Titan
2009-06-02, 09:40 PM
Yeah, I've seen several debates about it before, but the RAW is that you gain the Titan's Oversized Weapon ability, which says, "A titan wields a great, two-handed warhammer (big enough for Gargantuan creatures) without penalty." So even your lowly pixie with a titan bloodline (don't try to think how it's possible) is toting around a 4d6 weapon. :smallconfused:

Which (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle8px80d2wm3pd) is why (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AwesomeButImpractical) it's awesome! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrazyAwesome)

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2009-06-02, 10:05 PM
Right, but if you go by that interpretation, it only works when wielding a two-handed warhammer, and making it any bigger will negate the benefit since it can only apply if it's gargantuan sized.