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Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 08:09 PM
The Brown Note
Evocation[Sonic]
Level: Bard 5
Components: V, S
Casting time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 feet + 10 feet per caster level)
Area: Cone-shaped burst (All humans/humanoids within range)
Duration: Concentration + 1 round/2 caster levels (see desc.)
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: No

You emit a special, magically harmonic note, which causes all humans and humanoid creatures within the area of effect to suffer immediate and catastrophic loss of bowel control. Victims’ entire intestinal tract painfully spasms, violently expelling all contents and rendering the victim virtually helpless.

The Brown Note does not affect undead, constructs, or creatures lacking a digestive system.

The initial effect of the brown note causes victims failing their Fortitude saving throw to fall Prone, and are also treated as being Stunned (stunned creatures drop any held objects, cannot take actions, take a –2 penalty to AC, and lose Dexterity bonus to AC (if any)).

The initial affect continues as long as the caster of The Brown Note maintains the note (concentration).

Once the caster ceases the spell, all affected victims are now treated as being Nauseated: Nauseated creatures are unable to attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. The only action such a character can take is a single move action per turn. The Nauseated lasts for one round per two caster levels, to a maximum of 10 rounds. However, after five rounds, victims may make another Fortitude save attempt (same DC as the initial attempt): if successful, the victim is no longer Nauseated.

The Brown Note cannot penetrate an area of magical silence, such as the silence spell.

-edit- [affect/effect. Thanks waffle.]

Sulecrist
2006-02-22, 08:14 PM
;D

Valiena
2006-02-22, 08:14 PM
It is 82 cents below E flat.

waffle
2006-02-22, 08:30 PM
The initial effect causes them to be affected.

Seffbasilisk
2006-02-22, 08:30 PM
Nice. Sealing wax in the ears, and your bard blasts with that while you just walk around coup-de-gracing.

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 08:35 PM
Goodness, no. This sucker doesn't go through your ears... it goes straight to your bowels.

You'd need to be surrounded by a mobile personal silence affect of some kind, in order to resist an ongoing Brown Note.

-Lep

-edit-
to clarfiy, the SRD says of Sonic type spells, in part:

Stopping one’s ears ahead of time allows opponents to avoid having to make saving throws against mind-affecting sonic attacks, but not other kinds of sonic attacks (such as those that deal damage). this is not a 'mind-affecting' attack.

Caelestion
2006-02-22, 08:37 PM
So if the bard plays more than one Brown Note continuously, is the bard Brown Notesing?

tjwitz
2006-02-22, 08:45 PM
Nifty.


You emit a special, magically harmonic note, which causes all humans and humanoid creatures... The Brown Note does not affect undead, constructs, or creatures lacking a digestive system.

Any reason why it doesn't extend to other creature types with digestive systems... i.e. animals?

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 08:54 PM
Well... because the theory behind the brown note (which was pretty well debunked by The Mythbusters, as it happens) is that there is a particular note that matches the harmonic resonance of a human being's bowel. Creatures with physically different bowels would, presumably, require a different note.

But much more importantly, I didn't want the spell overpowered. It is very useful because it incapacitates, without killing, potentially a whole crowd of enemies. But if it worked against too many types, maybe it's too strong. A bard has a limited number of spells to pick... there's the principle that if any bard would be crazy not to take the spell, then it's overpowered.

But, uh, sure... you could add additional creature types if you felt it was within the power band, and appropriate. I'm not exactly an expert at balancing spells.

-Lep

tjwitz
2006-02-22, 09:00 PM
I can see that from a balance perspective. Perhaps modify the spell to affect a type of creature (not on the prohibited list) of their choosing at the time of casting? Humanoids, animals, and whatever else you feel has an adequate digestive system could be on the potential types list.

I'd also consider adding a nauseating (or similar) effect to *everyone* within a certain radius of those afflicted: doing this to a squad of stone giants is going to leave some rather large piles of brown material that not many people will willingly wade through.

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 09:02 PM
I considered that, actually, but decided it was too variable. It might all stay in their trousers... someone who hasn't eaten in days might not expell anything (but would still suffer from the effects, as the bowel spasms, etc.). A pixie is a humanoid, so is affected, but probably wouldn't make all that much of a mess.

Too complicated. Let the DM flavor-improvise it.

-Lep

tjwitz
2006-02-22, 09:12 PM
Sounds good then, those are just the things I would have (and you did, it seems) considered when designing a spell like that. If I was going to suggest anything else... nah, I'm sure you've already thought of it ;)

Frojoe21
2006-02-22, 09:17 PM
Wouldn't the spell make the target(s) sickened, not stunned? It seems like you would be more sick than stunned if your bowels were emptied spontaneously.

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 09:19 PM
You'd think so, eh? But Sickened characters still get to move around. I wanted them conscious, but otherwise mostly helpless. Not 'Helpless' mind you: no coups-de-grace. They still have an AC.

Stunned seemed like it had the right description for what I wanted, rules-wise, even though the name of the status is inappropriate.

-Lep

Jothki
2006-02-22, 09:20 PM
I see nothing preventing the note from affecting the bard himself. Is it really a good idea to have a spell that has a chance of stunning you and a chance of not stunning every nearby opponent?

Oh, cone-shaped. Seems kinda strange for a sonic burst.

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 09:25 PM
Yeah, cone-shaped. I poked around in the hypertext SRD bard lists, trying to find a bard spell to 'start from', because I haven't made a lot of spells.

Shout is a bard spell with a cone-shaped burst, which affects friends and foes alike. The bard has to be smart about where he points the spell, lest he include a friend... and the spell is less useful once your friends are in melee with the bad guys.

I wanted to combine two factors: a spell which affects everyone in the area (not just enemies), AND can be used while in a party of friends (they'd better stand aside or behind you). Cone seemed to be the right way to go.

-Lep

pocketwatch
2006-02-22, 09:26 PM
Oh my. Is the component a handful of beans? That's some nasty music. Bardic schools just went down in my eyes.

Spuddly
2006-02-22, 09:27 PM
Well... because the theory behind the brown note (which was pretty well debunked by The Mythbusters, as it happens) is that there is a particular note that matches the harmonic resonance of a human being's bowel. Creatures with physically different bowels would, presumably, require a different note.

New Scientist recently published an article on nonlethal weapons the DoD was developing (or looking to develop) and this was one of them. ;D

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 09:32 PM
Spuddly, you're too smart for your own good.

Wanna know why I thought of this in the first place?

I saw today's new Arms and Weapons III thread, and I read the bit about how it could also be questions about futuristic weaponry... but that such things would probably be evalutated based on real physics, etc.

So I started thinking about realistic future weaponry, and then I had the idea of writing up spells which replicated non-lethal versions of such things. The Brown Note was an immediate application that I couldn't resist writing up.

Ultimately, though, I suspect the DoD is going to be disappointed.


Oh my. Is the component a handful of beans? That's some nasty music. Bardic schools just went down in my eyes.


V,S only. I'll leave the, um, precise nature of the "somatic" component up to your imagination.

-Lep

tsu
2006-02-22, 09:39 PM
if it does prove to be overpowered try making it so critical failure of concentration check makes the spell a radius effect instead of cone, that il keep the player from overusing it.

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 09:41 PM
There's no such thing as a critical failure of a concentration check, though. That makes such a ruling somewhat problematical.

However, if one were to introduce houserules about critical spell failures, I think the kinds of 'accidents' you might get from this particular spell could be quite, um, amusing?

-Lep

pocketwatch
2006-02-22, 09:43 PM
I am trying so hard not to imagine bards casting this spell. Bards are supposed to be refined, cultured, well-versed in ettiquette. This is more like what happens at a barbarian frat party with drunken spellcasters. Everyone who has ever played a bard, imagine this spell on your list.

Leperflesh
2006-02-22, 09:49 PM
Heheh. Well... surely there is room in the world for the Half-Orcish barbarian/bard?

I could also maybe see this being invented and utilized by a gnome. They are known for their practical jokes... and even the clever gnomes are not above potty humor, eh?

-Lep

tjwitz
2006-02-22, 09:58 PM
Hardly. Gnomes are barely above anything at all, even the ground itself!

Furanku_S
2006-02-23, 09:12 AM
Gnomes can get above stuff pretty well, it's the landing back on the ground that gets them ;D

Helios
2006-02-23, 10:48 AM
I read this thread and couldn't stop laughing for about ten minutes.

Nice idea! ;D :D

Oeryn
2006-02-23, 03:23 PM
...Let the DM flavor-improvise it.

I'm highly amused by this topic, but I respectfully move that we keep the word "flavor" out of it...

prufock
2006-02-23, 03:31 PM
Very creative, I like! ;D I think "Concentration + 1 round per 2 caster levels" might be a bit too powerful, though, considering that they can't take any actions while pooping themselves.

Amotis
2006-02-23, 04:02 PM
We call this "farting through the instrument"

How 'bout adverse affects for woodwinds? Their reeds exploding?

Leperflesh
2006-02-23, 05:19 PM
Very creative, I like! ;D I think "Concentration + 1 round per 2 caster levels" might be a bit too powerful, though, considering that they can't take any actions while pooping themselves.

Yeah, it's a real concern. A bard could hold a whole crowd in thrall, writhing on the ground, for an hour or two.

What should be the maximum for the spell, do you think?
-Lep

ExHunterEmerald
2006-02-23, 05:34 PM
A limit based on how many rations the subject's had...
As for components...
Verbal-Um...*cough*
Somatic-The bard grabs his index finger with his thumb and index finger and pulls.
Material-Uncooked meat, or a bean

Leperflesh
2006-02-23, 05:41 PM
There's still no material component...

I was figuring
Somatic: The bard places his hands palms-together, and raises them to his lips, with his wrists pointing towards the target

Verbal: and he blows, hard, making a b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b sound

-Lep

Gamebird
2006-02-23, 05:41 PM
I would say the bard could continue the "stun" effect for no more than one round per caster level.

Am I reading that right that this effects a cone of people 100+10'/level on a side? Wowzer! That's big. Too big, in my opinion.

Admittedly it's 5th level, but with the bard having the ability to maintain it round to round, the party can just sit back and fire arrows or spells at their foes, summon monsters to attack them, throw alchemist's fire and watch as their foes are unable to take an action to put the fire out...

Seems too powerful to me. I'd cut out the ability of the bard to maintain the effect from round to round. Just change it to a "you cast it, it has X effect, we go on" sort of spell. Either that, or like Mass Hold Person, targets should get another save every round.

Leperflesh
2006-02-23, 05:56 PM
Well let's see. You have to be at least 13th level to cast this, so... one round per level... still over a full minute. It is indeed a pretty devastating spell.

Do note that it's a fortitude save, though, so most fighter-types have a decent chance against it.

Still, I think you're right. It should be an Instantatneous duration, with the worst affect lasting a small number of rounds (level/2?) and then the lesser affect, as written.

-Lep

Squangos
2006-07-06, 04:29 PM
There's still no material component...

I was figuring
Somatic: The bard places his hands palms-together, and raises them to his lips, with his wrists pointing towards the target

Verbal: and he blows, hard, making a b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b sound

-Lep
But that doesn't happen when I do that…
I can make a pretty good appropriate sound by pressing two fingers on one hand together (middle and ring finger of my right hand, for example), curling them, putting the pseudo-knuckle sandwich (as it were) to my lips and blowing (you can even change the pitch by curling your fingers to a greater or lesser degree).

Never thought I'd have an excuse to share that information…