Arena Tournament, Round 54: Kirabee Vs Finn

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Arena Tournament, Round 54: Kirabee vs. Finn

Map:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/Bitzeralisis/Arena%20Tournament%20Maps/Sambusei.gif


XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

Kirabee (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=127316) - Samb
Finn (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=127199) - Gauntlet


All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare any final purchases.

[Gauntlet]

Recent purchases:
Masterwork Guisarme
Tanglefoot Bag
two Thunderstones
3 potions Repair Light damage

Also sold off my old (normal) guisarme.

[roll0]

Edit: corrected CLW to RLD

[Samb]

Recent purchases: powerstones of offensive precog, grease, and entangling ecto.

"well met Mr. Roboto. May your tin body never rust once you are scrape metal."

Init:
[roll0]

[Gauntlet]

Looks like you're first.

[Samb]

Round 1
start at b1
move to e13, send psicrystal to double move to j14
Manifest force screen wild surged
[roll0] 1-5 is dazed



Status

HP=6
AC=19
Force screen 20 turns
PP=5/6
In main hand light crossbow
Powerstone of entangling ectoplasm in off hand

[Gauntlet]

Start in Y14, move to W17. Ready action tanglefoot bad at the square under anyone coming out from W13/14

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Tanglefoot Bag
Offhand: Mwk Guisarme
Carried: Crossbow, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bag

I'm done.

[Samb]

Let's get a spot check. I can't copy and paste so could you ask for it please?

[Gauntlet]

LoS check?

[Samb]

Yes please

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

LoS Check:

Samb - Kirabee
No LoS

Gauntlet - Finn
No LoS

[Samb]

Round 2
double move psicrystal to U14, manifest vigor with wild surge
[roll0] 1-5 is dazed

Not done yet, waiting on LoS

[Samb]

Grrr let's just establish LoS so we don't have always wait for refs. How about you just tell me where you are and I'll tell you if you have LoS?

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

LoS Established when a PsiCrystal reaches S-14.

Finn is in W-17 with a readied action and holding a guisarme and tanglefoot bag.

Still Kirabee's turn.

[Samb]

Huh? My psicrystal is small, close to ground and 20' higher than Finn how can LoS be established for either of them? The structure itself should get in the way especially at s14.

[Psionic Dog]

Well...
*pulls out scratch pad and pen*
*rereads rule precedents of this map*

The 'structure' isn't quiet that big an obstacle.

Constricts may be diminutive and occupy only 1 cubic foot, but are assumed to be anywhere in the 5ft square they occupy on the map. Thus, if we assume the cliff squares slopes directly to the ground then it could look directly over the edge to see Finn, and be seen in turn, as I previously assumed.

At worst the map precedent section lists a "3ft face at the top". If that translates to "3 ft of even level ground at the top" (which It isn't since a DC 15 climb is also required to stand at the top) then a 1ft tall object 3ft from an edge then your crystal can see down 5ft over the edge for every 15ft distant the object is horizontally... in which case I established LoS a little to soon. So, at worst LoS would still have been established when the crystal reached U-14.

[Samb]

Using move action to take out powerstone of offensive precog
my psicrytal make angry gestures at Finn with ectoplasmic feet.
End turn
Status

Hp=6
Temp hp=10
AC=19 touch=15
Force screen 19 more turns
Powerstone of entangling ectoplasm and offensive precog in hand

[Gauntlet]

I guess I'll pocket the bag and guisarme and draw my crossbow (while walking to W19), then take a potshot at the weird crystal thing.

[roll0]
[roll1]

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Heavy Crossbow
Carried: Guisarme, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bags

Edit: I'm done.

[Samb]

Round 3
move to I13 manifest offensive precog and drop stone and equip powerstone of entangling ectoplasm

Psicrsytal makes mocks Finn's poor aim and moves (double if needed) to r17.

Can't believe you're attacking my construct, aren't you guys related?

End turn

Hp=6
Temp hp=10
AC=19 touch=15
Psicrystal ac=20
Hp=3
Temp hp=10

[chilepepper]

High Ref chilepepper

Hang on.
refs
As I understood it, the cliffs were 20' high, even beside the stairs. When the psycrystal is in U14, there is not LoS for the crossbow shot. If so, we need to rewind to the crossbow shot.

edit: Kyeudo says I'm dumb not correct.


KirabeeNo LoS. By my calculations, the psicrystal can only make it to K13 or K14. In round 2, you ordered it to U14. LoS was established in the middle of the move but you never changed it's destination. From U14, it's 55' to K13 or 60' to K14.
FinnNo LoS. LoS to the psycrystal is broken as it moves west.

[chilepepper]

I re-edited my post above. Posting again for thread subscribers. Game on.

[Samb]

for refs only
Actually I could have sent my psicrystal further since I carried it to e14 myself. I could have sent it to o14 but didn't want to leave it in the middle of the bridge to get kicked out.
I didn't know I could change destinations once LoS was established. So I know that Finn was at w17 on turn 2 and he knows that my psicystal is somewhere on the steps? So still no LoS and rewind to round 2 Finn? Or to my round 2 since refs gave away its location (hence defeating the purpose of spoiler)?

[Gauntlet]

I walk to X19 and reload my crossbow.

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Heavy Crossbow
Carried: Guisarme, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bags

I'm done.

[Samb]

Dude hold on we might need to rewind last turn because no LoS was established. Also could you list what round you are on so I know if this is a new turn, or a continuation of your current turn or even a revision.

[chilepepper]

High Ref chilepepper

MATCH ON HOLD.

REFS ONLY
Samb (Kirabee) should be DQed for cheating.


Since I am involved in said match I will need more clarification as to what the status is. Do we rewind last turn as chile stated? Also I'm pretty sure it take a full round action to reload a heavy crossbow.

I never said anything about rewinding outside of the ref spoiler. Ref spoilers are off limits to the participants of a match.


I walk to X19 and reload my crossbow.

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Heavy Crossbow
Carried: Guisarme, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bags

I'm done.

Gauntlet never said anything about reloading a crossbow outside of his spoiler. Opponent's spoilers are off limits without express permission of a ref or that player.

[Gauntlet]

I was taking my new turn (to follow yours in post #18).

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

@Samb

Have you been reading ref only spoilers?

[Samb]

@Kyeudo

I sent you a PM, but in a word: no
I did look at Finn's last move though since I thought I still had LoS given that chile was wrong about the terrain

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

@Samb

We rarely can detect cheating, so when we see something that might be cheating we tend to come down like a bag of hammers.

I'll accept your explanation, but further suspicious actions may result in at least a DQ loss for this match.


Match is good to go.

[Samb]

@refs
so do I have LoS still or was I mistaken? Also is the match still on hold? I want to be more careful but i'm at a loss as to how to proceed. If I didn't have LoS when I looked at Finn's actions should we rewind to Finn's last move since I was mistaken? Was I mistaken?

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

@Samb and refs

You have LoS, I believe, as the main reason you might not have LoS was the potential height of the slope. If I am mistaken, a rewind may be in order. The match is no longer on hold.

[Samb]

gauntlet, you need to revise your last move since reloading a heavy crossbow is a full action.

PS I did look at your spoiler tag since I have LoS, just in case you needed to know.

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

Sorry, Kirabee had (past tense) LoS which was broken as part of his round 3 movement.

There is currently no LoS.

LoS History: (spoilered for space, all may view)

Kirabee Round 1:
Kirabee wins initiative. Does stuff. No LoS.

Finn Round 1:
Finn does stuff. No LoS.

Kirabee Round 2:
Kirabee does stuff, psicristal establishes LoS when arriving at U-14. (S-14?) Psycristal/Finn LoS established.

Finn Round 2:
Finn takes the pot shot at the Psycristal and moves. LoS between Psycristal/Finn still in effect.

Kirabee Round 3:
Kirabee does more stuff. The Psycristal retreats west breaking LoS.

Finn Round 3:
Finn does stuff that Kirabee can't see since LoS was just broken above.


@Kirabee

No LoS

I believe you are now in I-13 and your psicristal is in R-17. From R-17 your psycristal can't see Finn.

@Finn

No LoS

As Kirabee stated, you can't reload a heavy crossbow as a move/standard action. Please revise your turn in any way you see fit.

Rewind enacted to the beginning of Finn's last turn, round 3.

[Samb]

Ahhhh in that case revise your turn since I looked at your turn when I didn't have LoS.

[Gauntlet]

I'll keep my turn exactly the same- reload my heavy crossbow as a FRA and 5-foot step to X17 from W17.

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Heavy Crossbow
Carried: Guisarme, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bags

I'm done.

[Samb]

Round 4

Move psicrystal to V13

Not done yet, waiting on LoS.

[Samb]

Reposting mag so I don't have to keep flipping back and forth

Map: for all to view
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z83/Bitzeralisis/Arena%20Tournament%20Maps/Sambusei.gif

[chilepepper]

High Ref chilepepper

Another rewind.

SambWe are going back to Finn's turn in Round 3.
You are currently in I13 and your Psicrystal is in R17

KirabeeThere seems to be a bit of a confusion, I'll recap your moves.

R1 - move to W17 / Ready and action
R2 - move to W19 / Shoot at Psicrystal

It is now the beginning of your turn in Round 3, you are in W19 with an unloaded crossbow and have no LoS.

[Gauntlet]

Samb is Kirabee...

[Samb]

I don't even know what to look at..... Shall we ask for another LoS?

[Mavian]

High Ref chilepepper

Another rewind.

SambWe are going back to Finn's turn in Round 3.
You are currently in I13 and your Psicrystal is in R17

GauntletThere seems to be a bit of a confusion, I'll recap your moves.

R1 - move to W17 / Ready and action
R2 - move to W19 / Shoot at Psicrystal

It is now the beginning of your turn in Round 3, you are in W19 with an unloaded crossbow and have no LoS.



There you guys go.

[Gauntlet]

Ack, for some reason I thought I was in W17... I'll 5-foot step to X19 from W19 and reload my corssbow, then.

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Heavy Crossbow
Carried: Guisarme, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bags

I'm done, your turn.

[Samb]

Round 4

Move psicrystal to V13

Not done yet, waiting on LoS.

[Mavian]

@Gauntlet

You see the Psicrystal in V13


@Samb

Your Psicrystal spots Finn in X19

[Samb]

double move to R14
End round 4 for Kirabee
Free action: psicrystal makes provoking gestures at Finn with wispy feet.


HP=6
temp HP=10
AC=19
In main hand: light crossbow
In off hand: powerstone of entangling ectoplasm
force screen 18 turns
offensive precog 9 turns
psicrystal AC=20
HP=3
temp HP=10

[Gauntlet]

Finn walks to W16, drawing his Guisarme and a Tanglefoot bag as he does so.

Assuming I don't get LoS to Kirabee, I'm done.

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Tanglefoot Bag
Offhand: Mwk Guisarme
Carried: Cossbow, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bag

[Samb]

I should pop up with this action,

Round 5
move to U14 and use entangling ectoplasm on you (we are 22.36 feet away from eachother).

[roll0]

Crap, free action drop powerstone and take out another powerstone

end turn
status

HP=6
temp HP=10
AC=19 touch=15
In main hand: light crossbow
In off hand: powerstone of entangling ectoplasm
force screen 17 turns
offensive precog 8 turns
psicrystal AC=20
HP=3
temp HP=10

[Gauntlet]

Finn walks to W14 and chucks a Tanglefoot Bag at your feet.

[roll0]

AC 5 for the floor of your square. If I hit, DC 15 reflex save of be glued to the floor, and you're entangled either way. Finn moves his now-empty hand to hold his Guisarme also.

Stats:
HP 12/12
AC 17 (FF 16, touch 11)
Mainhand: Mwk Guisarme
Carried: Cossbow, potions, thunderstones, Tanglefoot bag

Edit: I'm done.

[Samb]

[roll0]
reflex save, please dice gods let me make this save of it's game over.

[Samb]

my turn
Str check
[roll0]

[Samb]

I'm going to concede this game. I worked so hard to get the jump on you and have high ground, only to miss my touch attack. Maybe I shouldve used tanglefoot bags as well since your reflex save sucked. Well let me have it then.

Rolling no higher than a 4, 3 times in row was not in my stratgy either. Best laid plans fail to poor luck.

[Gauntlet]

what does Entangling Ectoplasm actually do? :smallconfused:

[Samb]

It entanges you for 5 turns on a touch attack. No saves, no STR checks 25feet range. If I used a tanglefoot bag on you you would just make the STR check.

Of course I have to roll at least a 7 to get it to hit you and I only rolled a 2. Figures.

[Gauntlet]

I don't know, I'd have needed to roll a 14 to break out of a Tanglefoot Bag- I only have a 16 in Str, you know :smallamused:

Does seem nice, though- the advantage of a TFB is you can go for the AC 5 square under your feet. Also, even if you *do* make the reflex save or the Strength check, you're entangled anyway- the saves only get rid of the immobilisation.

[Samb]

Hmm why did i think you had a 20 in STR? damn I'll use the bags instead next time, its cheaper too.
Although with a roll of 2 I'd even miss the ground so it would not have mattered. The dice gods wanted me to lose :(

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

Kirabee conceeds. The victory goes to Finn.

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Match Commentaries:

Gauntlet: Tanglefoot is not a splash weapon, and targeting a square will not entangle the square's occupant(s). The description specifically says a ranged touch against a creature is required. Nothing changes this match as the 18 would have still hit, but it is a point to remember in future matches.