WeeFreeMen
2009-06-15, 02:33 AM
Hello again all. Im making a BBEG Shape changer type for my campaign, and I would love to run these 2 PrCs as Ive always wanted to actually play one, so I turn to you guys for your help and advice as usual. Thank you for your time in advance.
First off:
The entry requirement for both the Transmogrifist and the Warshaper both state - Able to Cast Polymorph Spell (and for Transmogrifist the Alter Self spell as well). Now I find that wording not to sound, as "Able" can mean a whole spectrum of things, at least by my definition.
Does the feat "Versatile Spellcaster" (Races of the Dragon, p.101) allow a caster (lets say Sorcerer) who can only cast 3rd level spells to sacrifice 2 third level spells In order to cast a 4th level spell. In this cast giving our caster "the ability" or "able to" cast Polymorph levels earlier than would be normally allowed?
Spoiler for visual aid of what Im trying to talk about, cause Its confusing me just trying to type it out. :smallconfused:
Lv. 6 Sorcerer
Has a high enough Charisma to get an additional 3rd level slot.
->
Sacrifices two 3rd level slots to attain a 4th level slot, and gains the ability to cast Alter Self / Polymorph
->
This in turn makes him eligible for both PrC's
->
??? Profit ???
PrC Prerequisites:
Warshaper
To qualify to become a warshaper, a character must fulfi ll all
the following criteria.
Race: Any (but see below).
Base Attack Bonus: +4.
Special: Must be able to change shape in one of the following
fi ve ways:
• Change shape supernatural ability (aranea, hound archon,
barghest, doppelganger, rakshasa, slaad).
• Shapechanger subtype (lycanthropes, phasm).
• Polymorph as a spell-like ability (astral deva, planetar, solar,
couatl, marilith, bronze dragon, gold dragon, silver dragon,
efreeti, leonal guardinal, night hag, ogre mage, pixie).
• Able to cast the polymorph spell.
• Wild shape or similar class feature (bear warrior*, druid).
The alternate form ability (possessed by quasits, vampires,
and others) is insuffi cient to become a warshaper.
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Master Transmogrifist
Alignment: Any nonlawful.
Skills: Bluff 2 ranks, Disguise 5 ranks.
Feat: Eschew Materials.
Spells: Able to cast alter self and polymorph.
AND In-case I am completely and utterly wrong, IS there a way to get 4th level spells asap rather than taking the levels? By this I mean being able to meet both Pre-Reqs for both PrC's?
Perhaps 5 levels of a base class, 10 of Transmogrifist, 5 of Warshaper
Secondly:
What would be 3 good choices for "Favored Shapes"
-Keep In mind-
Utility, Health, Damage, etc
AND do you have any nifty or cheesy tricks with Polymorph / Alter Self?
Thanks for the help all. Really appreciated.
(Also, any build advice would be appreciated. v.3.0-3.5, all and any books)
First off:
The entry requirement for both the Transmogrifist and the Warshaper both state - Able to Cast Polymorph Spell (and for Transmogrifist the Alter Self spell as well). Now I find that wording not to sound, as "Able" can mean a whole spectrum of things, at least by my definition.
Does the feat "Versatile Spellcaster" (Races of the Dragon, p.101) allow a caster (lets say Sorcerer) who can only cast 3rd level spells to sacrifice 2 third level spells In order to cast a 4th level spell. In this cast giving our caster "the ability" or "able to" cast Polymorph levels earlier than would be normally allowed?
Spoiler for visual aid of what Im trying to talk about, cause Its confusing me just trying to type it out. :smallconfused:
Lv. 6 Sorcerer
Has a high enough Charisma to get an additional 3rd level slot.
->
Sacrifices two 3rd level slots to attain a 4th level slot, and gains the ability to cast Alter Self / Polymorph
->
This in turn makes him eligible for both PrC's
->
??? Profit ???
PrC Prerequisites:
Warshaper
To qualify to become a warshaper, a character must fulfi ll all
the following criteria.
Race: Any (but see below).
Base Attack Bonus: +4.
Special: Must be able to change shape in one of the following
fi ve ways:
• Change shape supernatural ability (aranea, hound archon,
barghest, doppelganger, rakshasa, slaad).
• Shapechanger subtype (lycanthropes, phasm).
• Polymorph as a spell-like ability (astral deva, planetar, solar,
couatl, marilith, bronze dragon, gold dragon, silver dragon,
efreeti, leonal guardinal, night hag, ogre mage, pixie).
• Able to cast the polymorph spell.
• Wild shape or similar class feature (bear warrior*, druid).
The alternate form ability (possessed by quasits, vampires,
and others) is insuffi cient to become a warshaper.
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Master Transmogrifist
Alignment: Any nonlawful.
Skills: Bluff 2 ranks, Disguise 5 ranks.
Feat: Eschew Materials.
Spells: Able to cast alter self and polymorph.
AND In-case I am completely and utterly wrong, IS there a way to get 4th level spells asap rather than taking the levels? By this I mean being able to meet both Pre-Reqs for both PrC's?
Perhaps 5 levels of a base class, 10 of Transmogrifist, 5 of Warshaper
Secondly:
What would be 3 good choices for "Favored Shapes"
-Keep In mind-
Utility, Health, Damage, etc
AND do you have any nifty or cheesy tricks with Polymorph / Alter Self?
Thanks for the help all. Really appreciated.
(Also, any build advice would be appreciated. v.3.0-3.5, all and any books)