FF7: the challenge... (and general FF7 chat thread)

[littlebottom]

right, i have decided that i will accept the challenge... (i have been wanting to do this for years but never got round to it)

the chalenge is this: complete FF7 without saving, (ergo, without dying and in one sitting) in under 24 hours...

first of all, i KNOW this is possible as it has been done before, second, it will take a fair bit of preperation, (playing through the game a couple times as fast as i can but saving, to see if i can make it in under 24 hours, and where i can cut corners to save time. also where the bosses require me to stop and level up otherwise i will die)

but id like to issue the challenge to other people as well, although i highly doubt anyone will accept and take it seriously.




But failing all that, here is a thread to chat about FF7:smallredface:

i would like to ask, where can you get the barrier materia from before deamon gate? as other wise demon gate is too hard to do without stopping to level up, wasting valuble time.

(oh and feel free to be an FF-Fanboy/girl in here :smallwink:)

[Surfing HalfOrc]

I've started this game several times, but never finished it. I bought it for the PC, and have a friend's copy fr the PS2. I thought they were planning a reskinning for the PS3, but that was just a tease to show off the PS3 graphics while back.

I'm in the elevator fight at the beginning of the game... What happens next?

[littlebottom]

by "the elevator fight" im assuming you mean escaping from the shinra building? with red XIII barret and aeris (aerith) in your party? well after that you get some plot lol along with a minimum of about 20 more hours play time?

well, directly after that fight, you escape midgar and get onto the world map for the first time... i could bother explaining the rest of the plot to you, but im sure you could find a better more detailed explanation somewhere else already on the internet...

[tyckspoon]

I've started this game several times, but never finished it. I bought it for the PC, and have a friend's copy fr the PS2. I thought they were planning a reskinning for the PS3, but that was just a tease to show off the PS3 graphics while back.


They are. They just haven't told anybody when they plan to do it. (I used to believe they weren't ever going to actually do the whole game too, but I think the preponderence of evidence [well, winking statements at trade shows] is that the FF7 remake will be done as the last piece of the Compilation of Seven project. So whenever they get done ******* around with inventing new Sephiroth clones.)

[TheSummoner]

Meh, I've always considered FF7 to be incredibly overrated...

Good luck with your challenge though.

[chiasaur11]

Meh, I've always considered FF7 to be incredibly overrated...

Good luck with your challenge though.

I haven't played it, mind, but from what I've seen, I agree.

Gets way too far in best whatever of all time polls, and some people seem to think of it as the ne plus ultra of "Who'd win in a fight."

Not pleasant.

[TheSummoner]

I've played it... its a good game, not a great game, but a good game. Definatly not "T3h BEST gameh EVAR!!!"

Personally, I prefer 6 over the rest and was awefully fond of the original Final Fantasy as well.

[Optimystik]

I haven't played it, mind, but from what I've seen, I agree.

Gets way too far in best whatever of all time polls, and some people seem to think of it as the ne plus ultra of "Who'd win in a fight."

Not pleasant.


I've played it... its a good game, not a great game, but a good game. Definatly not "T3h BEST gameh EVAR!!!"

Personally, I prefer 6 over the rest and was awefully fond of the original Final Fantasy as well.

You two have won my internet. Sadly, you'll have to share.

[Fan]

I've done it in the past, it's not the hardest of challenges. Now the REAL challenge that I've yet to do, is to do all of that without cure spells, or healing items. Hard as hell considering how things go, and it gets harder after Aeris's death, due to her limit break being a healing loop hole.

[Kyouhen]

I've done it in the past, it's not the hardest of challenges. Now the REAL challenge that I've yet to do, is to do all of that without cure spells, or healing items. Hard as hell considering how things go, and it gets harder after Aeris's death, due to her limit break being a healing loop hole.

Is that really the only limitation? That doesn't sound too hard. Just level grind like there's no tomorrow.

[Oregano]

They are. They just haven't told anybody when they plan to do it. (I used to believe they weren't ever going to actually do the whole game too, but I think the preponderence of evidence [well, winking statements at trade shows] is that the FF7 remake will be done as the last piece of the Compilation of Seven project. So whenever they get done ******* around with inventing new Sephiroth clones.)

Well if it does happen it'll be 2017 on it's twentieth anniversary so that will be the next generation of consoles. Plus releasing the game on PSN has damaged the potential sales for a PS3 remake now.

Hehe, VI and VII are definately the best. Yoshinori Kitase directed them both, as well as Chrono Trigger, yet gets no credit. He also directed VIII though and that really divides opinion, I like it though.

[Oslecamo]

Gets way too far in best whatever of all time polls, and some people seem to think of it as the ne plus ultra of "Who'd win in a fight."


Actually, in gamefaqs.com, it's Ocarina of Time who has been winning the contest of best game evar for the last years when I checked it, altough indeed FF7 gets much further away than it should, and their fanboys can be pretty ravenous, claiming that Cloud is some unholy fusion between super men, Goku, the Emperor of Mankind, all of the Solars from Exalted and pun-pun.

[Tengu_temp]

I agree that FF7 is overrated - the hordes of fanboys that consider it Teh Best RPG Eva are really annoying.

However! It is still a very good game every jRPG fan should play - a lot of people don't give this game enough credit, and their arguments often show they have not even played it (each time someone says that Cloud is an angsty emo, I facepalm). The only other Final Fantasy that's better is 6, and only slightly.

As for the challenge game... Yeah, not very difficult. The only hard parts of FF7 are the special bosses in Wutai and Shinra Mansion (if you tackle them the moment you reach those places - if you return there later, they're very easy), the two Weapons, and sometimes Materia Keeper.

[littlebottom]

hmm, well ive got a valid reason for my FF7 fanboyness, but im sure no one wants to hear.

anyway, that challenge of doing the game without healing sounds like its easy, just very time consuming (like the get cloud to level 99 before blowing up the first reactor) which personally i think is just a stupid idiotic thing to do, as you will proberbly lose about 10 days of your life for that...

@tengu_temp: ive found there are several bosses that are hard when you try to speed through it, (remember, im not stopping to level, or doing any extra bits so i will proberbly be a few levels behind what i should be) these bosses include materia keeper, demon gate (infact the hardest in my opinion, as his attack can do about 1200 damage to your whole party, its alright going through as normal, but if your a few levels behind...) i actually had a hard time on the reno/rude fight on my current test, for getting through quickly. they almost leveled my party... and dock loader, (how annoying it is that he randomly takes 2 of your characters away:smallmad:) there are a few others, but most of them have some sort of loophole (like jenova at the end of the first disc, just put water ring on) but the problem tends to be bosses that go "attack your whole party for a fair bit of damage" if your not fully healed, it can screw you up...

[Fan]

hmm, well ive got a valid reason for my FF7 fanboyness, but im sure no one wants to hear.

anyway, that challenge of doing the game without healing sounds like its easy, just very time consuming (like the get cloud to level 99 before blowing up the first reactor) which personally i think is just a stupid idiotic thing to do, as you will proberbly lose about 10 days of your life for that...

@tengu_temp: ive found there are several bosses that are hard when you try to speed through it, (remember, im not stopping to level, or doing any extra bits so i will proberbly be a few levels behind what i should be) these bosses include materia keeper, demon gate (infact the hardest in my opinion, as his attack can do about 1200 damage to your whole party, its alright going through as normal, but if your a few levels behind...) i actually had a hard time on the reno/rude fight on my current test, for getting through quickly. they almost leveled my party... and dock loader, (how annoying it is that he randomly takes 2 of your characters away:smallmad:) there are a few others, but most of them have some sort of loophole (like jenova at the end of the first disc, just put water ring on) but the problem tends to be bosses that go "attack your whole party for a fair bit of damage" if your not fully healed, it can screw you up...

I'm SO glad I'm not the only one who had trouble with that fugging gate. However, I was VERY good at putting down elemental weaknesses, and put down Dock Loader pretty quick in addition to alot of other bosses.
Also, yeah, my party members individually can take a fair amount of damage, and I usually get some kick ass buffs up before I actually lay down the smacketh with KoTR, and Bahamut 0. Phoenix is defintely a good investment for those who have the "No healing items, or cure EFFECTS" (thanks for pointing out my poor wording Kyouhen, but level grinding certainly isnt the answer there.) in 24 hours.

[Revlid]

My personal favourite was FFIX.
Sans the last disc or so, anyway.

[Shpadoinkle]

FF7 was awesome... for it's time. It hasn't aged that well.

It definitely made it's mark, but there are still problems with it. Among the biggest in my opinion is that due to the way the materia system works, pretty much every character is interchangable with all the others, except for limit breaks. While this does mean you can use whoever you want and not be penalized for it, it also means that there's very little to distinguish characters from each other during battle besides Limit Breaks. Note that yes, this is disregarding everyone's ultimate weapons, as you essentially only have those for the final dungeon or two anyway (maybe 5% of the game).

Poor language localization is another problem that made a good portion of the game difficult to understand on first playing, for me anyway.

[Tengu_temp]

FF7 was awesome... for it's time. It hasn't aged that well.


I disagree. I played it for the first time in my life almost 10 years after it came out - and the only thing that didn't age well are the Lego block people on the non-battle screens. The Final Fantasy that was awesome for its time but hasn't aged well was 4.

[Duke of URL]

My personal favourite was FFIX.
Sans the last disc or so, anyway.

IX was the first one I really played (I had started FFII [US version, really an "easy" port of IV] on the NES once upon a time, but never got far), and is still my favorite, likely because it was the first.

I'll join in with the folks who claim that VII and VIII are over-rated, especially VII. Not saying it's a bad game, just overrated. I have the older games for the PS2, I just haven't played them through yet (the joys of a full-time job, kids, and trying to write some books on the side) -- I'm currently working on XII, which I'm finding fun, despite the general "meh" reviews.

[Optimystik]

Actually, in gamefaqs.com, it's Ocarina of Time who has been winning the contest of best game evar for the last years when I checked it, altough indeed FF7 gets much further away than it should, and their fanboys can be pretty ravenous, claiming that Cloud is some unholy fusion between super men, Goku, the Emperor of Mankind, all of the Solars from Exalted and pun-pun.

Agreed... they should just give Ocarina of Time, Link to the Past, Mario 64 and FF7 Lifetime Achievement Awards and take them off the damn polls already.

[TheSummoner]

Meh, OoT gets so much recognition because it was a revolutionary game, and (correct me if I'm wrong on this), the first one to pull off a (fairly) open world in 3d. I can agree its overrated, but not to the degree FF7 is. (Personally, I liked Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess best... probably because these two had the darkest feeling to the game, but this isn't a Zelda thread so...)

[Kyouhen]

I liked FF6 best. My biggest complaint with FF7 is all the Sephiroth obsession. He wasn't that great, what did he accomplish that made him so dangerous? Kefka's infinitely better. :smallannoyed:

[Zeta Kai]

FF7 was a revolutionary game, but it has its flaws, at least in terms of storyline & plot. Many of the antagonists are lacking in motivation or meaningful ties to the rest of the world (especially Sephiroth, who only gets by on the Rule of Cool), the games mood see-saws between bleak & goofy almost at random ("We must chase down this omnicidal maniac! But first, let's all go to the casino!!"), & poor beloved Aeris was murdered because she made a huge tactical error (running off alone to a dangerous place that she knew Sepherioth was haunting, when any caution or prudence could have prevented her death).

I avoided playing the game for years due to hype aversion, but I finally picked it up. I will admit that it's a great game, with fun mechanics & quantum leap forward in terms of cut scene use & RPG plotting. But Final Fantasy X is still my all-time favorite RPG (no real surprise there :smalltongue:). I can visit the city of Midgar, but I could live in the world of Spira.

[Kyouhen]

FF7 was a revolutionary game, but it has its flaws, at least in terms of storyline & plot. Many of the antagonists are lacking in motivation or meaningful ties to the rest of the world (especially Sephiroth, who only gets by on the Rule of Cool), the games mood see-saws between bleak & goofy almost at random ("We must chase down this omnicidal maniac! But first, let's all go to the casino!!"), & poor beloved Aeris was murdered because she made a huge tactical error (running off alone to a dangerous place that she knew Sepherioth was haunting, when any Pheonix Down could have prevented her death).

I avoided playing the game for years due to hype aversion, but I finally picked it up. I will admit that it's a great game, with fun mechanics & quantum leap forward in terms of cut scene use & RPG plotting. But Final Fantasy X is still my all-time favorite RPG (no real surprise there :smalltongue:). I can visit the city of Midgar, but I could live in the world of Spira.

You made a mistake so I fixed it for you. :smallbiggrin:

Also I didn't really like FFX. It got good points from me for some of the obscenely painful bosses, but not being able to die during the final battle kind of ruined it all.

[Cubey]

Phoenix Down doesn't resurrect the dead. It revives unconscious people. Aerith wasn't knocked unconscious, she was killed.
Yes, this means all the violent attacks that hit your guys in battle won't kill them, only knock them unconscious at best. They're just that tough.


I haven't played it, mind, but from what I've seen, I agree.

Gets way too far in best whatever of all time polls, and some people seem to think of it as the ne plus ultra of "Who'd win in a fight."

Not pleasant.
That's not the game, these are the fanboys. FF VII aren't the only annoying ones, EVERYTHING fanboys are annoying. FF VII simply has more of them (and equally annoying fangirls as well. I blame Sephiroth).

OP, the challenge doesn't look too hard. The biggest difficulty is not in the game, but with your own body - if you can take it to play 24 hours non-stop. It possibly would be healthier to take breaks and just make sure you don't die or don't reach over 24 hours on the game's timer clock. But hey, it's not the most crazy thing I've heard of or did myself, so knock yourself out.

[tyckspoon]

You made a mistake so I fixed it for you. :smallbiggrin:

Also I didn't really like FFX. It got good points from me for some of the obscenely painful bosses, but not being able to die during the final battle kind of ruined it all.

The final boss of X is Braska's Final Aeon, both in terms of difficulty and in its impact on the characters. Yu-Yevon is just cleanup that has to be done to finish the story. And even at that I'm glad for the auto-raising, because your own Aeons can and will kick your ass in that fight. Especially if you acquired the bonus ones.

[Oslecamo]

The final boss of X is Braska's Final Aeon, both in terms of difficulty and in its impact on the characters. Yu-Yevon is just cleanup that has to be done to finish the story. And even at that I'm glad for the auto-raising, because your own Aeons can and will kick your ass in that fight. Especially if you acquired the bonus ones.

Actually, FF X is kinda ridiculous in the sense that it has DOZENS of monsters much much stronger than the final boss hidden all across the world and somehow nobody seems to know them. Dark aeons, Omega Weapon, the arena specials, and then after you geat them all it appears still some super uber boss to top it all.

I would actually say that following the storyline in FF X won't save the world since there are dark aeons now scattered all across Spira who can instant kill you:P

On the other hand, if you ever get desesperate, Yojimbo can 1-hit kill anything in the game if you pay him the right amount, so no boss is really that hard.

[Nerd-o-rama]

You know, I'm fairly sure 24 hours isn't even a speedrun of Final Fantasy VII. Just going through the main plot and ignoring most of the sidequests shouldn't take a whole lot more than that. Like Cubey said, this is a challenge more because it's a combination of speedrun and endurance run.

[Kyouhen]

The final boss of X is Braska's Final Aeon, both in terms of difficulty and in its impact on the characters. Yu-Yevon is just cleanup that has to be done to finish the story. And even at that I'm glad for the auto-raising, because your own Aeons can and will kick your ass in that fight. Especially if you acquired the bonus ones.

Yeah, I know Braska's supposed to be the real final boss. But generally when I see someone like that pop up and I know I'm not done, I'm expecting something much worse immediately after. Especially considering the way that entire game seemed to work. *cough*Yunalesca*cough* Also Yu-Yevon only took down one of my characters the entire fight. I had all the Aeons, wasn't overly impressed. :smalltongue:

Also FF6 has my personal favourite boss battle memory ever. It was against Doom Train. (Or whatever it was called in FF6) The fight starts, and I'm trying to figure out what I want to do to it. Then it pops into my head that it was filled with ghosts. Hmmm, I wonder if it's undead? I threw a Pheonix Down at it AND IT DIED. That's right, I stopped a charging train by throwing a feather at it. :smallbiggrin:

[Duke of URL]

You know, I'm fairly sure 24 hours isn't even a speedrun of Final Fantasy VII. Just going through the main plot and ignoring most of the sidequests shouldn't take a whole lot more than that. Like Cubey said, this is a challenge more because it's a combination of speedrun and endurance run.

Sub-9-hours is possible. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197341/31141)

[littlebottom]

Sub-9-hours is possible. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197341/31141)

9 hours eh? well thats cool, if its possible... as if im honest, running around and watchin all the cut scenes adds up to most of that, he must be doing something thats key to cutting it down dramatically...on my current run, doing it and cutting out the rubbish, im in the temple of the ancients at about 8 hours, and theres alot to come yet... although, i suppose alot of the time does come from the first disc, as afterwards, you have more freedom, but i shall be aiming for a quick time i was hoping more along the lines of 15 hours, but who knows, maybe if i go through a couple more times before i attempt it i could cut it down to even lower, but, to do it without saving, is a risk, as when you are dangerously low for a boss, you only get one shot, im assuming he has saved (and possibly died often enough) on certain bosses... ah well, we shall see:smallamused:

[Cubey]

FF VII isn't exactly a difficult game. I'm sure pros who try to beat the time on a speedrun don't consider any boss they have to go through a difficulty, only an obstacle that adds time to the counter.

[Trizap]

I want FF7, and I'm hoping that since its my birthday today that someone got the PC version since I don't got any Playstations.........I really do hope I get to play this game one day, I watched my brother play it and thought it was awesome.

[tyckspoon]

Actually, FF X is kinda ridiculous in the sense that it has DOZENS of monsters much much stronger than the final boss hidden all across the world and somehow nobody seems to know them. Dark aeons, Omega Weapon, the arena specials, and then after you geat them all it appears still some super uber boss to top it all.


Well, the Dark Aeons only show up in the International Super Special Awesome Remix edition. The original game and the US edition doesn't have to worry about them. Omega Weapon is peacefully sleeping in his ruins until you go and poke him. The Arena master's special creations, tho.. there's no real explanation for why those aren't running rampant. That guy's got to be some kind of god indulging himself in a hobby. He can generate new monsters, summon an infinite number of them at will (although apparently only one at a time), and prevent beings that could one-shot Sin from killing you when they inevitably stomp you into the ground. Either he is the absolute deity of FF's monsterkind, or the Calm Lands Arena is actually a ridiculously advanced holosuite.

Hmm. If hacking PS2 stuff was feasible, you'd probably see a ROMhack version featuring the Arena Boss monsters running wild around Spira, in the tradition of the Superboss hacks of VI and its generation.

[Ranis]

right, i have decided that i will accept the challenge... (i have been wanting to do this for years but never got round to it)

the chalenge is this: complete FF7 without saving, (ergo, without dying and in one sitting) in under 24 hours...

first of all, i KNOW this is possible as it has been done before, second, it will take a fair bit of preperation, (playing through the game a couple times as fast as i can but saving, to see if i can make it in under 24 hours, and where i can cut corners to save time. also where the bosses require me to stop and level up otherwise i will die)

but id like to issue the challenge to other people as well, although i highly doubt anyone will accept and take it seriously.




But failing all that, here is a thread to chat about FF7:smallredface:

i would like to ask, where can you get the barrier materia from before deamon gate? as other wise demon gate is too hard to do without stopping to level up, wasting valuble time.

(oh and feel free to be an FF-Fanboy/girl in here :smallwink:)



A few things you should do about your challenge: definitely get the Trine Enemy Skill from the dragons in the mountains, the boss there is weak to it and it's an awesome spell to have. Another enemy skill you really want to pick up is Mighty Guard from the Beach Plugs, and do this before you go to the Gold Saucer. Mighty Guard will set you up nicely for the rest of the game.

Make sure you fight ultima weapon three times before going into the North Crater. Steal the adamantine bangles each time, they're some of the best armors in the game and will give you all of the materia slots you'll need.

Mastering the materia you get early on is the key. Don't spread out on your materia usage too much, it'll just weigh you down. Focus on the key elements and use summons to compliment your arsenal.

[Duke of URL]

Actually, FF X is kinda ridiculous in the sense that it has DOZENS of monsters much much stronger than the final boss hidden all across the world and somehow nobody seems to know them. Dark aeons, Omega Weapon, the arena specials, and then after you geat them all it appears still some super uber boss to top it all.

I would actually say that following the storyline in FF X won't save the world since there are dark aeons now scattered all across Spira who can instant kill you:P

On the other hand, if you ever get desesperate, Yojimbo can 1-hit kill anything in the game if you pay him the right amount, so no boss is really that hard.

I'm a little fuzzy (been a while), but for all of its "camp", FFX-2 does at least address the dark aeons issue, as Yuna & Co. have to tackle them, as they are indeed making a nuisance of themselves and disrupting the post-Sin world.