Tele-

[Mitsuharu]

-port!

I don't really post much on here or read many of the threads so I don't know if this has been suggested before now but I have noticed a number of threads on the subject of who teleported V and O-Chul.

My question is: were V and O-Chul teleported?

Obviously they have been moved from the tower in Azure City's Ruins to the Elven Isle but the method used could well not be an actual 'teleport' spell.

OoTS has pretty good internal consistancy, and in these (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0340.html) strips (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0366.html)with teleporting (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0635.html) in them the subject being teleported has been covered entirely with a glowing aura and left a 'hole' of light in the next panel after they vanish. Also the caster says 'tele-' then '-port' but if we assume an off-panel caster anyway that's moot.

Interference on the part of the IFCC would probably have involved a plane shift (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0656.html) as they themselves admit they do want V saved but they can't interact. Also in the comic's history the examples of a plane shift have been similally visual with a hole (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0385.html) in (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0380.html) space (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0637.html) to a flaming 'hell' dimension.

The only spell I can think of that we've seen in-comic that had a simple 'pop' with no light show is Redcloak's Word of Recall (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0655.html). It is possible that a Word of Recall with a trigger of 'imminant death' is on V or O-Chul, but V has been isolated from everyone with no access to these spells (as part of his barred school (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0340.html)) and even if he subsequently off-panel cast the spell on himself after the soul-binding Zyklon's Superb Dispelling (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0653.html) would have removed it. O-Chul's been in prison for months and it's unlikely that any evil characters would have cast such a handy spell on him anyway, besides any lingering spell with an 'imminant death' trigger would surely have been set off before now?

I'm not a very experienced D&D gamer but I do know enough to get by so can anyone think what kind of spell might've been used. It could've been direct intervention by the Twelve Gods of the North to save O-Chul? But why would they also take V? Any suggestions?

[Snake-Aes]

-port!

I don't really post much on here or read many of the threads so I don't know if this has been suggested before now but I have noticed a number of threads on the subject of who teleported V and O-Chul.

My question is: were V and O-Chul teleported?

Obviously they have been moved from the tower in Azure City's Ruins to the Elven Isle but the method used could well not be an actual 'teleport' spell.

OoTS has pretty good internal consistancy, and in these (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0340.html) strips (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0366.html)with teleporting (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0635.html) in them the subject being teleported has been covered entirely with a glowing aura and left a 'hole' of light in the next panel after they vanish. Also the caster says 'tele-' then '-port' but if we assume an off-panel caster anyway that's moot.

Interference on the part of the IFCC would probably have involved a plane shift (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0656.html) as they themselves admit they do want V saved but they can't interact. Also in the comic's history the examples of a plane shift have been similally visual with a hole (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0385.html) in (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0380.html) space (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0637.html) to a flaming 'hell' dimension.

The only spell I can think of that we've seen in-comic that had a simple 'pop' with no light show is Redcloak's Word of Recall (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0655.html). It is possible that a Word of Recall with a trigger of 'imminant death' is on V or O-Chul, but V has been isolated from everyone with no access to these spells (as part of his barred school (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0340.html)) and even if he subsequently off-panel cast the spell on himself after the soul-binding Zyklon's Superb Dispelling (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0653.html) would have removed it. O-Chul's been in prison for months and it's unlikely that any evil characters would have cast such a handy spell on him anyway, besides any lingering spell with an 'imminant death' trigger would surely have been set off before now?

I'm not a very experienced D&D gamer but I do know enough to get by so can anyone think what kind of spell might've been used. It could've been direct intervention by the Twelve Gods of the North to save O-Chul? But why would they also take V? Any suggestions?

While preparing Word of Recall, you state where it'll teleport you to, and you have to be familiar with the place. :mitd: knew nothing of it. The main current says he Wished "O-Chul and his friend to go somewhere safe", and the wish ported them to Hinjo.

[Porthos]

The main current says he Wished "O-Chul and his friend to go somewhere safe", and the wish ported them to Hinjo.

If it is Wish (or variant thereof), which is becoming increasingly more likely, then this makes perfect sense.

Somewhere safe for :vaarsuvius: = The rest of the Order of the Stick.
Somewhere safe for http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/trytoguess/O-Chul.png = The rest of the Sapphire Guard.

Luckily for the spell, those are two groups are at the same place (within a few hundred feet at least). So might as well drop them both there at the exact same spot. Conservation of magical energy and all that. :smalltongue:

[SadisticFishing]

The lack of flash is actually a good indication that it IS wish. Well noticed.

[NerfTW]

How are people NOT noticing that it was the MITD that ported them? His eyes glow, and the roaches all look at him funny afterwards.

It may have been Wish, or it may have been another racial ability. But there's no doubt it was the MitD that ported them.

[SadisticFishing]

How are people NOT noticing that it was the MITD that ported them? His eyes glow, and the roaches all look at him funny afterwards.

It may have been Wish, or it may have been another racial ability. But there's no doubt it was the MitD that ported them.

I think people are still assuming it's a The Tarrasque!

[Mysterio]

How are people NOT noticing that it was the MITD that ported them? His eyes glow, and the roaches all look at him funny afterwards.

It may have been Wish, or it may have been another racial ability. But there's no doubt it was the MitD that ported them.

I think everyone IS noticing it, although there has been some speculation from a few people that maybe he didn't, and it was just made to look like it to throw us off the scent. But I haven't seen any posts that indicated that anyone just didn't notice what you pointed out.

[SadisticFishing]

I think everyone IS noticing it, although there has been some speculation from a few people that maybe he didn't, and it was just made to look like it to throw us off the scent. But I haven't seen any posts that indicated that anyone just didn't notice what you pointed out.

That would be terribly done. It'd be like someone saying "Teleport!" and then someone else casting it, with no visual cues whatsoever.

[Mitsuharu]

His eyes glow, and the roaches all look at him funny afterwards.

It does seem likely and I agree that it'd assume it was the MitD, I'm not assuming otherwise and Elan would undoubtably point out all those dramatic conventions but I am also taking into account that it is a little too obvious, and Rich is a clever enough story-writer to twist most things so I wouldn't go so far as make the assumption that anything we are not directly told is true, regardless of any 'hints' other characters make.

Besides I did say at the begining that I wasn't posting about who but about how so it doesn't matter to my point if MitD cast it or not.

[SadisticFishing]

He told us the MitD did it. That wouldn't be a twist, at this point it would be a lie. Especially with the sleeping.

[THE KAPPTIN]

The mystery and suspense are not supposed to be in the question of "who did it?" (it was meant to be obvious that it was the mitd). The mystery is in HOW did he do it? WHAT is he? Maybe that'll become a major part of the plot soon. I don't know if it's good to keep him locked up in there forever. :P

[Porthos]

... but I am also taking into account that it is a little too obvious, and Rich is a clever enough story-writer to twist most things so I wouldn't go so far as make the assumption that anything we are not directly told is true, regardless of any 'hints' other characters make.

I'd just like to point out that, more often than not, Rich actually goes with the "obvious" storyline, if he throws out enough clues beforehand (albiet with a really nice execution).

For instance, when Miko overheard Lord Shojo and Roy plotting, almost everyone presumed that she would wig out and do something really stupid. But there a few people who said, "nahhh. Too obvious. Rich wouldn't do something that obivous"

Turns out he did. :smalltongue:

Also when she approached the Throne Room during the height of the battle between Soon and Xykon, the vast majority of the forum went, "Aw, crap." I can think of other examples, but those are the two main ones that come to mind.

So what am I saying? I guess that I am saying that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. :smallamused:

When it comes right down to it, as THE KAPPTIN said, it's all down to the execution. That's where the "interesting and clever" bit comes in to play.

[factotum]

It does seem likely and I agree that it'd assume it was the MitD, I'm not assuming otherwise and Elan would undoubtably point out all those dramatic conventions but I am also taking into account that it is a little too obvious

If the MitD had been known to teleport others around before then it would be obvious. As it stands, I think it was just showing us the MitD has abilities we've not seen before.

[Mitsuharu]

Again, I wasn't every questioning if the MitD did it, and that wasn't the point of the thread I was asking about the spell used, I already know there are dozens of other threads on who did it, and they can speculate on that as they choose, my question was concerning more the method of the teleport rather than the caster.

[SadisticFishing]

Erm, you listed like 6 different possible casters in your original post...

[Mitsuharu]

Erm, you listed like 6 different possible casters in your original post...

Not because I was particulally questioning if they had done it. I was only suggesting possible spells, and giving reasons both how they could've been employed and potential reasons why they couldn't. The casters were only relevan insofar as the allowed the futherance of the argument, rather than asking if they had been the caster.

[Optimystik]

He told us the MitD did it.

Got a link for that?

[SadisticFishing]

Glowing eyes, roaches. All signs point to it, and not indirectly. He said "the MitD did it" as much as Soon said "you're an idiot" to Miko.

For him to say "No, it was actually Durkon!" at this point would be... shattering. I wouldn't stop reading the comic, but it would hit me as hard as Dorukan's loss to Xykon.

[Optimystik]

Glowing eyes, roaches. All signs point to it, and not indirectly.

That's the very definition of a "red herring." He makes every bit of evidence point a certain way without saying it flat out.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the MitD did it, but it is not set in stone... and if it turns out to be someone/something else, the Giant won't have actually lied either.

[SadisticFishing]

Yes, he will have. A red herring is not THAT said.

Did I already use the (bad) gun metaphor? The Monster in the Darkness is holding a smoking gun, and we SAW it pull the trigger, and O-Chul and V have been... well, shot. If it wasn't him, that's absolutely retarded and makes no sense. It wouldn't be tricking us, it would be lying to us.

[TETanglebrooke]

Yes, he will have. A red herring is not THAT said.

Did I already use the (bad) gun metaphor? The Monster in the Darkness is holding a smoking gun, and we SAW it pull the trigger, and O-Chul and V have been... well, shot. If it wasn't him, that's absolutely retarded and makes no sense. It wouldn't be tricking us, it would be lying to us.

I think it is more fitting to say that o-chul and v were shot and at the same time we saw a muzzle flash from MitD. the gun has yet to be found.

[Optimystik]

I think it is more fitting to say that o-chul and v were shot and at the same time we saw a muzzle flash from MitD. the gun has yet to be found.

This man knows what he is typing about

[Logalmier]

If I had to choose, I'd say it was a Wish. Why? Well, like everyone else has said, a Wish would teleport them directly to the rest of the fleet. I also think that it was a Wish, because Wishes use up XP, and we've seen the MitD sleeping shortly after he cast the spell. I know it could just be a coincidence, but it seems to me that a good way to represent an XP loss would to make it physically tiring. Thus, the MitD sleeping.

[Mitsuharu]

If I had to choose, I'd say it was a Wish.

Having read the definition of Wish (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/Wish.htm), I agree. It sounds exactly like the sort of no-nonsense spell that works with a 'pop' and no fancy-ness, if you can cast Wish you don't need to bother with showing off with lights.

[SadisticFishing]

Fair enough, but this is a comic book. To show that implies causality so strongly that to do anything else now would be unfair.

His eyes just glowed because he was happy! He typed in all caps because he wanted it REALLY badly! And the roaches are all looking at him now because he's their friend. Yep.

No. He did it.

[Haven]

I think it is more fitting to say that o-chul and v were shot and at the same time we saw a muzzle flash from MitD. the gun has yet to be found.

There's also very strong ballistics evidence. Namely, the trajectory of MitD's story arc, which had recently been greatly accelerated by the propellant that is O-Chul.

While it might turn out to be a red herring, there's no reason to assume it is definitely one. Saying "all the evidence points to it, that DEFINES red herring" is fairly ridiculous, as "all the evidence points to it" is also the definition of correct things, more often than not. If that weren't the case, a red herring would lose all its dramatic power.

Nothing wrong with a little http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tinfoilsmall.gif, but that's all that the statement that it's a red herring is at the moment.

[dps]

{Scrubbed}

[Niknokitueu]

Come on, guys, it is obvious. I did it. (heh)

So MitD cast a Wish. Brill. you can take it from me that it definitely was MitD and it definitely was a Wish. But hey, I'm just a random internet poster, so use your own judgement...

If it was not MitD, then Rich has misled us in a way that he never has before. Lying is not his style, especially when you realise how much build-up MitD has had.

As to whether it was a Wish? Probably. It is the way I would have done it, and everything I have seen in this thread supports such a view.

So congrats. Now we can return to the advertised program...

Have Fun!
Niknokitueu
ps. Warning: May Contain Nuts

[JonestheSpy]

Just want to chime in and point out that to the best my recollection, our esteemed author does not seem at all interested in giving false clues and messing with creating inaccurate expectations. Yes, OotS very original and often catches us by surprise, but something like setting up an entire situation that points to X but then having it really be Y (with Y being completely out of the blue, no hint whatsoever beforehand) is just unprecedented. and it would be sucky writing, in my humble opinion.

[SadisticFishing]

Just want to chime in and point out that to the best my recollection, our esteemed author does not seem at all interested in giving false clues and messing with creating inaccurate expectations. Yes, OotS very original and often catches us by surprise, but something like setting up an entire situation that points to X but then having it really be Y (with Y being completely out of the blue, no hint whatsoever beforehand) is just unprecedented. and it would be sucky writing, in my humble opinion.

Not just your humble opinion.

Well said.

[Lyx]

{Scrubbed}

[SadisticFishing]

The topic being, who cast the spell? The MitD.

Or how did he cast it? Wish. No other teleports make as much sense, so that's everyone's vote at the moment.

Okay, we stayed on topic - now the topic is over.

[Lyx]

{Scrubbed}

[lothos]

Just want to chime in and point out that to the best my recollection, our esteemed author does not seem at all interested in giving false clues and messing with creating inaccurate expectations. Yes, OotS very original and often catches us by surprise, but something like setting up an entire situation that points to X but then having it really be Y (with Y being completely out of the blue, no hint whatsoever beforehand) is just unprecedented. and it would be sucky writing, in my humble opinion.

Yes, this accurately sums up a big part of why I read OOTS too. What an insightful comment. I love being surprised by a show, book or comic, so long as it's not something that completely jars with what's already been established. Rich manages to do that with aplomb very often in OOTS.

[SadisticFishing]

... okay, random new poster, read the post. It talks about different people using different spells. The MitD casted the spell, which removes everything from that list except Wish. Conversation over, I guess? That's not fun, though, so not-quite-off topic is what we went for. It worked.

"Interference on the part of the IFCC"
"t is possible that a Word of Recall with a trigger of 'imminant death' is on V or O-Chul,"
"It could've been direct intervention by the Twelve Gods of the North to save O-Chul"

No, this thread is about WHO casted WHAT. Not what the MitD casted.

Once again. The MitD, to our knowledge, casted Wish. There are possibly other choices, but they're far less likely and less common.

[Archetype]

... okay, random new poster, read the post. It talks about different people using different spells. The MitD casted the spell, which removes everything from that list except Wish. Conversation over, I guess? That's not fun, though, so not-quite-off topic is what we went for. It worked.

"Interference on the part of the IFCC"
"t is possible that a Word of Recall with a trigger of 'imminant death' is on V or O-Chul,"
"It could've been direct intervention by the Twelve Gods of the North to save O-Chul"

No, this thread is about WHO casted WHAT. Not what the MitD casted.

Once again. The MitD, to our knowledge, casted Wish. There are possibly other choices, but they're far less likely and less common.
The original poster has actually SAID what the topic is supposed be. Multiple times.


Again, I wasn't ever questioning if the MitD did it, and that wasn't the point of the thread I was asking about the spell used, I already know there are dozens of other threads on who did it, and they can speculate on that as they choose, my question was concerning more the method of the teleport rather than the caster.

[SadisticFishing]

Okay, how about read the actual post, when he claims at LEAST 4 other people (or groups of them) could have done it?

Or say something ON topic. Because I'm out of on topic things to say D: I'm done here, I guess :P

[Archetype]

Okay, how about read the actual post, when he claims at LEAST 4 other people (or groups of them) could have done it?

Or say something ON topic. Because I'm out of on topic things to say D: I'm done here, I guess :P

Or how about read the multiple OTHER posts, made by the same original poster regarding EXACTLY that misconception. The topic is about what was cast, not who cast it, as was repeatedly stated by the same guy that started the thread. You're the one driving the discussion off topic. Sit down.

[factotum]

The point is, though, unless we start including some sort of homebrew psionic ability, Wish is pretty much all that's on the table. There's nothing else that could realistically do what the MitD did, so what discussion is possible along those lines?

[Haven]

First, topics drift naturally, and I'd argue there's nothing wrong with that. Until this page, where the topic was rather rudely derailed onto talking about what the topic is about (notice that all of the posts saying what this should be about don't contribute a thing to the discussion)

Even if you don't agree with me on that, though, the last sentences of the post are speculation that someone else did it, so establishing that the MitD was the one who did it and supporting that viewpoint is valid.

But third, and most importantly, this is a forum: a place for people to speak their minds freely, and politely. This thread was exceptionally polite until Lyx began, frankly, trolling.

That out of the way:


The point is, though, unless we start including some sort of homebrew psionic ability, Wish is pretty much all that's on the table.

It's possible it might a custom spell called "Escape" (it's not necessary, but it is usually the case, that people say the name of the spell they're casting in this comic; maybe that's what the MitD is doing). I know there are some creatures (like sylphs, as Celia pointed out) that can use magic as a caster of their HD, so maybe the MitD is one of those. Unlikely, but a possibility. I like the idea of this because it makes him less of a Q-from-Star-Trek type, which doesn't quite sit well with me.

[Sholos]

If he uses Wish as an SLA, does he have to say the name? If the lightning from sylphs is an SLA, Celia doesn't ever say anything when using.

[SadisticFishing]

No verbal components for SLA's.

The MitD cast Wish.

[Sholos]

That's what I meant. He happens to be saying the word "escape" at the same time that he uses Wish as an SLA.

[Mitsuharu]

There are several examples of homebrew spells in OoTS but normally when they've been researched by the caster like the cloister epic, V's mega-search spell, maybe 'evan's barbed tentacles of forced intrusion' count, but the comic has certainly established the potential for such spells, but if we assume MitD I don't know where he could 'learn' one.

Zyklon seems very suprised by their vanishing but I don't know if that's because he's pissed at the kill steal or suprised at the method of vanishing. As an epic level sorcerer/lich he must have a high spellcraft skill plus he knows the abilites of MitD, and I'd have thought he'd put two and two together if he knew MitD could do it and he recognised the spell type. So maybe it is a 'house' spell.

Wish does seem most likely and it is more than possible that Zyklon has never seen such a Wish spell before being used in such a way, at least.

[factotum]

As an epic level sorcerer/lich he must have a high spellcraft skill plus he knows the abilites of MitD, and I'd have thought he'd put two and two together if he knew MitD could do it and he recognised the spell type. So maybe it is a 'house' spell.


What makes you think Xykon (or Zyklon, whoever HE is) knows what the MitD's abilities are? He has absolutely no idea what it is! Redcloak knows, but he wasn't present in the throne room when the events under discussion transpired and probably wouldn't put two and two together from the limited description given him by Xykon.

[Threeshades]

After reading the OP Im getting the feeling that
Redcloak might have had his hands on their sudden disappearance

[Roland St. Jude]

Sheriff of Moddingham: Please keep it civil in here.

[Tyrmatt]

Well, as I continue my sad and increasingly lonely opinion that the MitD and Snarl are entwined somehow, it's more likely it was Miracle than Wish, given that the Snarl's power is divine, rather than an arcane ability.

Just a minor point. :)

[Logalmier]

Well, as I continue my sad and increasingly lonely opinion that the MitD and Snarl are entwined somehow, it's more likely it was Miracle than Wish, given that the Snarl's power is divine, rather than an arcane ability.

Just a minor point. :)

Why do you say that? I know that the Snarl was created by the gods, but that doesn't mean it's a caster. I'm just wondering...

[Mitsuharu]

my opinion that the MitD and Snarl are entwined somehow, it's more likely it was Miracle than Wish.

Okay that's an interesting quibble but I was given to believe that the snarl couldn't understand the material world because it was naturally chaotic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0275.html), so would it be ableto understand the context enough to enable that sort of casting? Still it's an interesting idea

[GreatWyrmGold]

There's always what I posted somewhere:

:mitd:Whaa?
:redcloak: You have spell-like abilities.
:mitd:What?
:redcloak:Spell-like abilities.
:mitd:What?
:redcloak:Spell-like abilities.
:mitd:What?
:redcloak:Spell-like abilities.
:mitd:What?
:redcloak:Spell-like abil-uh, you can pretend you can cast spells.
:mitd: Cast what now?