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Llama231
2009-06-19, 07:43 PM
Yep, it's that time of year again. Sort of.

As it appears that the vote-up craziness has died down, I will bring back my mini category here.
Past Vote-up Base Classes
Deludist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104335)

Currently, there are many, many other Vote-ups all over this forum, including an index of most of them, but I cannot seem to find it so a link would be appreciated.

Unlike the previous thread, there no optionally nominated class features. However, roles are still based on nomination.

Votes may be changed at any point until voting is closed, so do not worry about changing your mind.

The number of votes allowed per voter for each category is told. Ties, or close ties will result in multiple being used. Multiple votes may be use to support a single choice.

Part 1
Type: Vestige/Pact/Invocation, with a little Nature and Martial/Mundane 2 Votes
How does the class work, what does it run on?
Martial/Mundane: 6
Divine:
Nature: 6
Arcane:
Psionic: 3
Vestige/Pact/Invocation: 8
Incarnum: 3
Blood: 4
Avatar d20 style Seeds and Skill Checks: 1
Other (Specified):


Part 2
Roles: Summoning, Control, and a bit of buffing and NYTA. 3 Votes
No, this is not a 4e class. Focus toward roles will be dealt between most of the ones voted for, with more focus for more votes. Roles are what the class does, basically. And yes, a purely martial class can have a role as an illusionist. And so on. So basically, you can vote for up top 3 roles. However, do to the sheer openness that this topic has, there is no list to choose from other than what others have nominated.
Buffing: 2
Confusion: 1
Control: 3
Disabling: 1
More Action Per Round: 1
Nature's (Martial and Charismatic) Revenge: 1
Not Your Typical Alchemy: 2
Pet Wrangler: 2
Summoning: 4



Part 3
Abilities: Constitution and a bit of Intelligence and Wisdom 3 Votes
The usefulness and need for abilities will be based on how the voting spreads out.
Strength: 1
Dexterity: 1
Constitution: 5
Intelligence: 4
Wisdom: 4
Charisma: 1



Part 4 (Current)
Hit Dice 1 Vote
Pretty self-explanatory. This is your best chance to totally outbalance this class.
d4:
d6: 3
d8: 4
d10:
d12: 4



Section 2


Part 5
Skills Points 1 Vote
Yeah, I like crazy stuff.
0:
2:
4:
6:
8:
10:
12:



Part 6
Skills 15 Votes
What are the class skills? I will take the number of votes that the most voted for skill gets and divide it by 2. Anything above that is a class skill. If you think that this class should not have so many class skills, put more votes into the ones that you want, or simply not use all of the votes. No skill may get more than 5 votes per person.
Appraise:
Balance:
Bluff:
Climb:
Concentration:
Craft:
Decipher Script:
Diplomacy:
Disable Device:
Disguise:
Escape Artist:
Forgery:
Gather Information:
Handle Animal:
Heal:
Hide:
Intimidate:
Jump:
Knowledge:
Listen:
Move Silently:
Open Lock:
Perform:
Profession:
Ride:
Search:
Sense Motive:
Sleight Of Hand:
Speak Language:
Spellcraft:
Spot:
Survival:
Swim:
Tumble:
Use Magic Device:
Use Rope:
Other (Specify):



Part 7
B.A.B 1 Vote
Fractions.
1:
3/4:
1/2:



Part 8
Saves 3 Votes, 1 for Each Save
Base save bonus at level 20.
Fortitude
3:
6:
9:
12:
15:
Reflex
3:
6:
9:
12:
15:
Will
3:
6:
9:
12:
15:


Let me know if I am missing anything.

And yes, you can try to make this class as unbalanced as you want, I will still keep it within 3.X standards.

LordZarth
2009-06-19, 09:04 PM
Nature! ten characters...

Llama231
2009-06-19, 09:31 PM
Ummm... You get to vote for everything at once, and get multiple votes for most. :smallconfused:

Zeta Kai
2009-06-19, 09:44 PM
I would highly recommend a one-aspect-at-a-time vote, so people can focus on what's being chosen & how it affects what's already nailed down. Being asked to simultaneously vote for 8 different aspects (36 with every sub-aspect) is daunting, to say the least.

Llama231
2009-06-19, 10:06 PM
Alright, I have cut it down. Now you only need to to vote for types and roles first.

Zeta Kai
2009-06-19, 10:50 PM
Great, in that case, I shall vote for Type: Martial & Role: Confusion.

Llama231
2009-06-19, 11:16 PM
Umm..., remember, that example was simply an example, and you do get to vote for a lot of role stuff...
I am assuming that you are voting for 5 votes for confusion as a role.

LordZarth
2009-06-19, 11:17 PM
Type: Nature
Role: Nature's (Martial and Charismatic) Revenge x5

EdroGrimshell
2009-06-19, 11:22 PM
Arcane Alchemy (potion style)

Not your typical alchemy 2, Pets (creation or taming) 1

Zeta Kai
2009-06-19, 11:22 PM
Umm..., remember, that example was simply an example, and you do get to vote for a lot of role stuff...
I am assuming that you are voting for 5 votes for confusion as a role.

Jeez, don't make it so hard on your voters. Voting is fun & productive because it's easy for the voters. Making a confusing multi-part request for info is tedious & doesn't encourage participation. For example, I'm not participating any further until it's easier to do so. Good luck.

Llama231
2009-06-19, 11:55 PM
Okey, net time I can get around to it, I will compile a list of every possible role thaat I can find and use it after cutting it down a bit.

LordZarth
2009-06-19, 11:56 PM
Okey, net time I can get around to it, I will compile a list of every possible role thaat I can find and use it after cutting it down a bit.

Again, if you let the first vote go through first, you can get a list of roles tailored to it.

Llama231
2009-06-20, 08:31 AM
Wait, what do you mean?

Zeta Kai
2009-06-20, 08:55 AM
Wait, what do you mean?

What we're trying to tell you, as politely as possible, is that you should hold a poll for the class's power source first. Just the power source.

Martial/Mundane
Divine
Nature
Arcane
Psionic
Vestige/Pact/Invocation
Incarnum

That's it. Then, when you get enough votes for that, or enough time has got by (like a day or two), then hold a separate poll for party role. Just for party role, tailored to fit the power source (no need to include Blaster role for a Martial source, or a Tank role for an Arcane source). Then, hold a separate poll for ability score priority, et cetera. That's simple, easy to vote for, efficient to run, & allows you time to get your thoughts together behind the scenes.

Running all votes simultaneously is a Bad Idea. I hope that this helps to illustrate why.

Llama231
2009-06-20, 09:17 AM
This sounds good, I will reduce it down some more.

zagan
2009-06-20, 09:54 AM
Ok, so for type (source of power).

1: Vestige because only one base class use that.
or
2:Other: Blood (for example the character could collect the blood of various creature to create diverse effect. Anyway I think it could be cool. Depending on the other vote of couse)

The Dark Fiddler
2009-06-20, 09:57 AM
1: Other, Blood.

2: Martial/Mundane

Seconding the above recommendation, blood could be pretty cool.

Llama231
2009-06-20, 12:15 PM
First round of voting closes on the 22nd.

Owrtho
2009-06-20, 04:05 PM
Vestige and Blood.

Owrtho

Lappy9000
2009-06-20, 07:53 PM
Yay! I can understand it now! :smallbiggrin:

Put me down for Martial/Mundane and Nature.

Zeta Kai
2009-06-20, 08:17 PM
I made the OP see the light with a sensible argument based on reason & practicality...

...backed up by what I like to call my 'Brewer's Fist. :smallwink:

Hyozo
2009-06-20, 08:20 PM
Put me down for vestige/pact/invocation and, let's see, psionics probably won't mess with my goal of it being something similar to my two favorite classes.

aje8
2009-06-20, 10:42 PM
Vestige/Pact/Invocation and Blood.

Llama231
2009-06-21, 02:05 PM
Alright, votes are tallied, it looks like it is going to be a vestige/pact/invocation and blood class. Voting closes tomorrow.

This should be interesting.

LordZarth
2009-06-21, 02:28 PM
ףFor my other vote, put Nature as wel.

Vadin
2009-06-21, 02:48 PM
Vestiges/Pacts/Invocation
and Other: Incarnum

The Witch-King
2009-06-21, 03:13 PM
Martial/Mundane and Nature.

vegetalss4
2009-06-22, 12:41 AM
Vestiges/Pacts/Invocation
and Nature

Iferus
2009-06-22, 03:14 AM
I'd like to see a psionic/martial character causing confusion.

Sereg
2009-06-22, 10:54 AM
I choose Incarnum (which incidently , you have listed twice in the results table) and psionics. Alternate power sources FTW.

jagadaishio
2009-06-22, 11:40 AM
I vote Martial/Mundane and Other: Avatar d20 style Seeds and Skill Checks.

Llama231
2009-06-22, 06:08 PM
First round of voting closes soon.

Emong
2009-06-22, 06:21 PM
Vestige and Nature

alchemyprime
2009-06-22, 06:25 PM
Type: Incarnum and/or vestige

Llama231
2009-06-22, 09:37 PM
Alright, voting will completely close tomorrow, so it technically closes at the end of today.

Okey, the class will use vestiges/pacts/invocations, and a bit of nature and martial.

Next up for voting is the role of the class. You get 3 votes (3 roles).

zagan
2009-06-23, 03:27 PM
Up too 3 vote hum, ok I got it.

1. Doing multiple thing at once, the character himself is a warrior and the vestige/spirit manipulate nature to help him all in the same round.

2. Summoning the vestige in the world to fight with him temporarely a little like invoc from FF.

3. Projecting the vestige into enemie to take control of them.

If you need an expression to count the vote you can use that:

1: More action per round
2:Summoning.
3.Controling.

togapika
2009-06-23, 03:47 PM
Not Your Typical Alchemy

The Witch-King
2009-06-23, 10:16 PM
I vote that the Role of the base class be Pet Wrangler--the class manages a small group of lesser combatants (animals, elementals, constructs, what have you) that the class summons/builds/domesticates and uses magic to support said lesser combatants.

Zeta Kai
2009-06-24, 05:09 AM
Summoning
Control
Confusion

The Dark Fiddler
2009-06-24, 06:01 AM
Disabling Enemies
Buffing Allies
uhhh... Summoning, I guess.

Llama231
2009-06-25, 03:17 PM
Voting closes on the 26th.

Owrtho
2009-06-25, 03:20 PM
Summoning, buffing, control.

Owrtho

Vadin
2009-06-25, 03:30 PM
I vote that the Role of the base class be Pet Wrangler--the class manages a small group of lesser combatants (animals, elementals, constructs, what have you) that the class summons/builds/domesticates and uses magic to support said lesser combatants.

Seconded! That sounds excellent!

Llama231
2009-06-26, 01:01 PM
Part 2 is closed, part 3 up.
Let me know if I should do more at once than this, ans if so, vote for the appropriate following categories.

Surrealistik
2009-06-26, 01:36 PM
Constitution

Llama231
2009-06-26, 01:41 PM
Oh, and since I am going to be unavailable starting in July, I think that I will make this in two parts, with the second half when I am back.

zagan
2009-06-26, 01:42 PM
1: Constitution
2: Wisdom
3: Strenght

Owrtho
2009-06-26, 04:23 PM
Dex, Wis, Con. Also, It would be good to note what the winners of each part are.

Owrtho

Llama231
2009-06-26, 04:46 PM
Added that in.

EdroGrimshell
2009-06-26, 05:00 PM
Max in Int and Con as a secondary ability

Llama231
2009-06-27, 03:47 PM
Voting closes on the 28th.

Draz74
2009-06-27, 04:51 PM
WIS, INT, and CHA.

Zeta Kai
2009-06-27, 06:39 PM
Intelligence/Constitution/Wisdom

Llama231
2009-06-28, 08:53 AM
Hit Dice up, this is the last category before the intermission.

Owrtho
2009-06-28, 09:12 AM
d6

Owrtho

Surrealistik
2009-06-28, 09:18 AM
d12 10char

EdroGrimshell
2009-06-28, 10:30 AM
D6 hit die seems most appropriate

mikeejimbo
2009-06-28, 11:05 AM
d12 because I want to unbalance it.

Zeta Kai
2009-06-28, 01:00 PM
D8. :smallcool:

zagan
2009-06-28, 02:30 PM
d8 because I don't want to unbalanced it.

aje8
2009-06-28, 09:21 PM
d12..... unbalancing is fun.

UnChosenOne
2009-06-28, 11:51 PM
I vote for (more or less) broken d12.

Milskidasith
2009-06-29, 01:01 AM
I vote for D8 hit dice.

Vadin
2009-06-29, 01:17 AM
Make mine a D8 Lite!

Llama231
2009-06-29, 10:07 AM
First section of voting closes on the 30th. i will make a second thread for the latter half when I return.

SwordGoddess
2009-06-29, 10:55 AM
d6 seems appropriate.

Sereg
2009-06-30, 05:40 AM
I'm going for d8

Zeta Kai
2009-06-30, 08:32 AM
First section of voting closes on the 30th. i will make a second thread for the latter half when I return.

Return from what?

Llama231
2009-06-30, 09:13 AM
Magical self-explanatory signature.

Anyway, we have a tie between d8 and d12, so I will keep this open until it is broken.

Djinn_in_Tonic
2009-06-30, 09:21 AM
d8. Less unbalanced.

Tie broken. :smallbiggrin:

Llama231
2009-06-30, 02:15 PM
Yay! ^.^

Voting for section 1 is closed, a new thread will appear when I return, so please stick around.

And to anyone who was questioning the idea of starting this thread soon before leaving on vacation (11 day before), I was assuming that it could be completed in about a week or so, but due to increasing the number of rounds of voting being extended, it did not work out that way.

Thelas
2009-07-19, 07:33 AM
Yep, it's that time of year again. Sort of.

As it appears that the vote-up craziness has died down, I will bring back my mini category here.
Past Vote-up Base Classes
Deludist (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104335)

Currently, there are many, many other Vote-ups all over this forum, including an index of most of them, but I cannot seem to find it so a link would be appreciated.

Unlike the previous thread, there no optionally nominated class features. However, roles are still based on nomination.

Votes may be changed at any point until voting is closed, so do not worry about changing your mind.

The number of votes allowed per voter for each category is told. Ties, or close ties will result in multiple being used. Multiple votes may be use to support a single choice.

Part 1
Type: Vestige/Pact/Invocation, with a little Nature and Martial/Mundane 2 Votes
How does the class work, what does it run on?
Martial/Mundane: 6
Divine:
Nature: 6
Arcane:
Psionic: 3
Vestige/Pact/Invocation: 8
Incarnum: 3
Blood: 4
Avatar d20 style Seeds and Skill Checks: 1
Other (Specified):


Part 2
Roles: Summoning, Control, and a bit of buffing and NYTA. 3 Votes
No, this is not a 4e class. Focus toward roles will be dealt between most of the ones voted for, with more focus for more votes. Roles are what the class does, basically. And yes, a purely martial class can have a role as an illusionist. And so on. So basically, you can vote for up top 3 roles. However, do to the sheer openness that this topic has, there is no list to choose from other than what others have nominated.
Buffing: 2
Confusion: 1
Control: 3
Disabling: 1
More Action Per Round: 1
Nature's (Martial and Charismatic) Revenge: 1
Not Your Typical Alchemy: 2
Pet Wrangler: 2
Summoning: 4



Part 3
Abilities: Constitution and a bit of Intelligence and Wisdom 3 Votes
The usefulness and need for abilities will be based on how the voting spreads out.
Strength: 1
Dexterity: 1
Constitution: 5
Intelligence: 4
Wisdom: 4
Charisma: 1



Part 4 (Current)
Hit Dice 1 Vote
Pretty self-explanatory. This is your best chance to totally outbalance this class.
d4:
d6: 3
d8: 4
d10:
d12: 4



Section 2
I vote d4.

Part 5
Skills Points 1 Vote
Yeah, I like crazy stuff.
0:
2:
4:
6:
8:
10:
12:

4 + Int.
Part 6
Skills 15 Votes
What are the class skills? I will take the number of votes that the most voted for skill gets and divide it by 2. Anything above that is a class skill. If you think that this class should not have so many class skills, put more votes into the ones that you want, or simply not use all of the votes. No skill may get more than 5 votes per person.
Appraise:
Balance:
Bluff:
Climb:
Concentration: 5 votes
Craft:
Decipher Script: 2 votes
Diplomacy:
Disable Device:
Disguise:
Escape Artist:
Forgery:
Gather Information:
Handle Animal:
Heal:
Hide:
Intimidate:
Jump:
Knowledge: 3 votes
Listen:
Move Silently:
Open Lock:
Perform:
Profession:1 vote
Ride:
Search:
Sense Motive:
Sleight Of Hand:
Speak Language: 1 vote
Spellcraft: 3 votes
Spot:
Survival:
Swim:
Tumble:
Use Magic Device:
Use Rope:
Other (Specify):



Part 7
B.A.B 1 Vote
Fractions.
1:
3/4:
1/2:

1/2 BAB.

Part 8
Saves 3 Votes, 1 for Each Save
Base save bonus at level 20.
Fortitude
3:
6:
9:
12:
15:
Reflex
3:
6:
9:
12:
15:
Will
3:
6:
9:
12:
15:

Fort 9, Ref 6, Will 15.
Let me know if I am missing anything.

And yes, you can try to make this class as unbalanced as you want, I will still keep it within 3.X standards.

Votes are inside quote. Skills are inside their spoiler.

Llama231
2009-07-19, 11:05 AM
Wha? I have reposted this in another thread.

blueblade
2009-07-19, 10:39 PM
D6. Make something vaguely playable. To me, you're headed for a druid anyway...

Llama231
2009-07-20, 09:52 AM
Angry sounds.

Please post HERE (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118526).

Great, my sig had the wrong link. Fixed.