Eugene's Would-Be Reaction to 4E Rituals.

[MReav]

This isn't a "Will OotS convert to 4E thread".

I'm just thinking:

Eugene is a massive prick to his son, believing in the supremacy of Wizards over all else. I just wonder what his reaction would be if he found out that rituals in the new Edition can be learned by anyone, provided they meet a couple of easy pre-reqs (training in K. Arcana or K. Religion). So many advantageous spells now being disseminated amongst the other classes...

I think he'd bitch and whine about how Wizards have been diluted.

[SadisticFishing]

I don't think it's that simple.

Being trained in Arcana is not a simple prereq - it requires years of studying the arcane arts.

Eugene would be okay with Roy doing that, methinks.

[Arakune]

I don't think it's that simple.

Being trained in Arcana is not a simple prereq - it requires years of studying the arcane arts.

Eugene would be okay with Roy doing that, methinks.

Not so much, you just need to level up and pick the feat.

[Flickerdart]

He'd be bugging Roy to take the Ritual Caster feat every level-up, for sure.

[SoC175]

And for many rituals there's still a huge difference in effect depending on how well the caster makes his check.

A 30th level fighter with total of +20 arcana (including skill training) is still nothing compared to a real 30th level caster with +50 to arcana

[Random832]

Not so much, you just need to level up and pick the feat.

Yeah, but if you do that it's assumed you've been studying it :elan:

[SadisticFishing]

Mhmm. It's like if a fighter was forced to put half their skill points into arcana, in a system in which skills actually make sense.

I see it as sort of maxing Spellcraft and Arcana. Sure, skills don't have any effect on what your character can do - but that's stupid. Understanding Arcana SHOULD make you better at... Arcane stuff.

Anyways, that's two feats, not one.

[Klivian]

Mhmm. It's like if a fighter was forced to put half their skill points into arcana, in a system in which skills actually make sense.

I see it as sort of maxing Spellcraft and Arcana. Sure, skills don't have any effect on what your character can do - but that's stupid. Understanding Arcana SHOULD make you better at... Arcane stuff.

Anyways, that's two feats, not one.

Which isn't too bad in 4E where each non-human character gets 18 feats by level 30 (humans get 19)

[Dork Lord]

You mean Wizards -haven't- been diluted? :smallconfused:

[SadisticFishing]

Irrelevant. The point is, it requires a character to understand Arcana, and take another feat to learn Rituals, so time spent there too.

You don't just "take ritual casting", in character :D

This complaint about 4e is INVALID. ;p

[Kish]

You mean Wizards -haven't- been diluted? :smallconfused:
4ed Wizards: One part lemonade for every ten parts of pure water.