YA Useless speculation thread: Tiamat

[pendell]

Hokay, so we see that Tiamat is indeed pissed that an ungodly -- hem hem -- percentage of the dragon population in OOTS world was destroyed.

What will she do about it? What can she do about it? It looks as if the gods do not often intervene directly, but instead commission adventurers to complete quests for them.

So I'm guessing we're going to have a draconic cleric commissioned to bring unholy vengeance down on V's head. Presumably his family as well. Raise the dead dragons as Revenants, maybe?

What other horrible things can Tiamat due to V?

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[hamishspence]

Maybe Lord Tyrinar is a cleric or Blackguard of Tiamat, and will be involved in the fight for the next gate?

[paddyfool]

The fact that she's got straight in touch with these three rather than gone right after V suggests she views V as their pawn, and them as responsible for V's actions. I suspect that Tiamat's first act would be to demand extensive compensation. A small part of that, if she gets out of them that they have a period in direct control of V, might be to demand some of the timeshare for herself, then task some black dragon to watch V's progress and take control at some point that would do V much harm (such as whenever V next comes into contact with hir family). Just an idea.

[FlawedParadigm]

Isn't the phrase "useless speculation" an exercise in redundancy? I almost wonder if that was intentional. Heh.

[ThisIsNotDan]

She might get a draconic cleric to team up with the linear guild; they're in need of a couple of casters. S/he could even be V's parallel, if they were desperate.

[Warren Dew]

The fact that she's got straight in touch with these three rather than gone right after V suggests she views V as their pawn, and them as responsible for V's actions.

I tend to agree.

She could possibly demand some or all of Vaarsuvius' soul time for her own purposes. She might also use the opportunity to bargain for some sort of recognition of the Dark One.

[Lupy]

I tend to agree.

She could possibly demand some or all of Vaarsuvius' soul time for her own purposes. She might also use the opportunity to bargain for some sort of recognition of the Dark One.

That's a good thought there Dew.

[Alex Warlorn]

She might get a draconic cleric to team up with the linear guild; they're in need of a couple of casters. S/he could even be V's parallel, if they were desperate.



THAT MAKES TOTAL PERFECT AND ABSOLUTE SENSE! Get the Giant on the line and give him this idea!

[Bunnywolf]

(Tiamat) might also use the opportunity to bargain for some sort of recognition of the Dark One.

Nice thought.

SoD spoiler
In the crayon sequence, is it Tiamat who - alongside Loki - argues that the Dark One should be given the same knowledge as the Elven gods?

[Morquard]

Nice thought.

SoD spoiler
In the crayon sequence, is it Tiamat who - alongside Loki - argues that the Dark One should be given the same knowledge as the Elven gods?
SODNo

It was Tiamat together with Loki that prevented the other (good) gods from slaying the Dark One when he was raised to Godhood.

It was explicitely stated that even they kept the knowledge of the Snarl and the gates from him, while the old elven gods had been told about it.
edit: forgot spoiler tags :)

[David Argall]

She might get a draconic cleric to team up with the linear guild; they're in need of a couple of casters. S/he could even be V's parallel, if they were desperate.

How is this not completely inadequate reaction to the death of all those dragons?

[pyrefiend]

She might get a draconic cleric to team up with the linear guild; they're in need of a couple of casters. S/he could even be V's parallel, if they were desperate.
How is this not completely inadequate reaction to the death of all those dragons?

I think it's a possible outcome. Maybe Tiamat places the bulk of the blame on the fiends, and only cares about killing V enough to task one of her clerics with killing him. Arguably Tiamat has more jurisdiction over the fiends because they are beings from the outer planes, and the gods aren't supposed to directly intervene on the Material Plane.

[Bibliomancer]

I think it's a possible outcome. Maybe Tiamat places the bulk of the blame on the fiends, and only cares about killing V enough to task one of her clerics with killing him. Arguably Tiamat has more jurisdiction over the fiends because they are beings from the outer planes, and the gods aren't supposed to directly intervene on the Material Plane.

Since when do the gods avoid meddling (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0040.html) in the affairs (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0353.html) of mortals? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html)

I don't see why she can't just empower a cleric with epic level spells to come kill V, V's family, and the entire order, and then soul bind them or redirect their souls to Tiamat's domain.

[pyrefiend]

Since when do the gods avoid meddling (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0040.html) in the affairs (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0353.html) of mortals? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html)

I don't see why she can't just empower a cleric with epic level spells to come kill V, V's family, and the entire order, and then soul bind them or redirect their souls to Tiamat's domain.

Well, if the gods can act freely on the material plane, it would seem to follow that they would do so more often. What would stop some good-aligned god from crushing Xykon, for example? Or, if gods are allowed to empower clerics easily as you suggest, why don't they do so constantly?

In your last two examples, the gods only act through their clerics. In the second example it's only to bend the rules. Granted, the rule-bending is pretty significant, but its a far cry from epic-empowerment. In the third example, they aren't allowed to interfere at all, even to bend the rules for a follower.

Your first example, I admit, would seem to oppose the idea that the gods can't act directly on the material plane. I think one of the following is true:
1. The village is on one of the higher planes.
2. The strip is not to be taken too seriously, as the scene is done as a joke and was written when OotS was much less plot-oriented.

[factotum]

Since when do the gods avoid meddling (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0040.html) in the affairs (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0353.html) of mortals? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html)

I don't see why she can't just empower a cleric with epic level spells to come kill V, V's family, and the entire order, and then soul bind them or redirect their souls to Tiamat's domain.

The first one of those came out before the strip story had really solidified and so doesn't count. The second two just reinforce what we're told elsewhere--namely, that the Gods cannot interfere directly in the affairs of the world; they have to do so via their clerics. (Note that Thor was only "bending the rules" to allow Control Weather to do what it did in Cliffport, not breaking them outright).

A god just raising one of their clerics to epic levels without them having to earn any experience would be a no-no, I think: otherwise the reason given in SoD for goblinoids to exist wouldn't be relevant.

SoD Spoiler:

For those who don't know, Redcloak claimed that goblinoids and other weak humanoid NPCs were created purely so the clerics of the Gods would have somebody weak to kill in order to earn experience and level up.