humain tank Prc

[Zain]

dose anyone know if their are any humain tank Prcs?

[Korivan]

Legendary Dreadnought?

[Assassin89]

Bear Warrior? Several Prcs in Complete Warrior? Some more details might help.

[Zain]

the idea is that he would be the -con mortifies wizard bodyguard takeing the hits for him while he blasts the monsters

[RandomLunatic]

Thayan Knigt? PGtF or CWar.

[Telonius]

It sounds like you're looking for the Knight class, from PHB2. No PrC needed. It's probably the best class in the game if you're building something specifically to absorb blows targeting another character. Test of Mettle is one of the few was in D&D that can force foes to not target their primary threat (the spellcaster). The Shield Ally feat allows him to lessen or negate a hit struck against an adjacent ally.

A Knight with the Vow of Peace feat from Book of Exalted Deeds could be absolutely horrid for this purpose. Any foe that strikes him has to have his weapon make a Fort save or be shattered.

Call a Test of Mettle (DC is +4 due to Vow of Nonviolence, a Prereq for Vow of Peace).
A. The enemy fails its Test of Mettle Will save and advances to you.
A1. The enemy fails its Calm Emotions Will save (DC +4) and is affected by Calm Emotion. WIN. (Though note that the Calm Emotions effect would be broken if the Wizard then targets the enemy).
A2. The enemy makes its Will save and attacks you.
A2a. The enemy misses. WIN.
A2b. The enemy hits, and its weapon fails its Fort save (DC+4). WIN.
A2c. The enemy hits, and its weapon makes its Fort save. Take damage. WIN, since the Wizard has not taken damage.
B. The enemy makes its Test of Mettle will save and advances to attack the Wizard.
B1. The enemy misses. WIN.
B2. The enemy hits, and you use your Shield Ally ability.
B2a. The enemy's weapon fails its Fort save (DC +4). The Wizard takes half damage, you take no damage, and the enemy's weapon shatters. WIN.
B2b. The enemy's weapon makes its Fort save. The Wizard takes half damage, you take half damage, and the enemy retains its weapon. PARTIAL LOSS. The Wizard took damage, but only half as much as he otherwise would have.

To even get a partial tactical victory, the enemy must: Make a will save at DC+4 to avoid targeting you, hit the Wizard's AC, and have its weapon make a Fort save at DC+4 to avoid shattering. Only Hexblade and Duskblade, and a Divine Power'd Cleric will have good Fort save, good Will save, and full BAB.

[Zain]

nice i shall look into this

[herrhauptmann]

Devoted defender in Sword and Fist. I don't believe it was ever updated to 3.5.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Forget prestige classes, use Crusader from Tome of Battle, possibly even make him a Mineral Warrior (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20031003e). The spell Mineralize Warrior in Underdark grants the template, and in doing so makes the affected creature your willing servant for a year and a day, which would definitely explain why he's your character's bodyguard.

[Gnaeus]

It sounds like you're looking for the Knight class, from PHB2. No PrC needed. It's probably the best class in the game if you're building something specifically to absorb blows targeting another character. Test of Mettle is one of the few was in D&D that can force foes to not target their primary threat (the spellcaster). The Shield Ally feat allows him to lessen or negate a hit struck against an adjacent ally.

A Knight with the Vow of Peace feat from Book of Exalted Deeds could be absolutely horrid for this purpose. Any foe that strikes him has to have his weapon make a Fort save or be shattered.

Shield Ally doesn't say that they strike you, it says that you absorb damage. RAW, Vow of Peace wouldn't break weapons that do not strike you.

I agree that Knight with Vow of Peace would be absolutely horrid. It might make a passable cohort, but even there you could do better.

You know a better class for absorbing blows targeting another character...Paladin. Shield Other works from 30 feet away. Paladins can also heal the wizards wounds (hopefully out of combat) or other negative conditions. While paladin is a low performing tier 5, it is still better than Knight under most conditions.

Best, of course, is a character that is actually a big enough threat that the enemy strikes them instead. A combat build like a charger that gets in their face and does a lot of damage, or a tripper that puts them on the ground far out of reach of the wizard. And of course, the absolute top of the line for this job is a full caster. A Cleric or Favored Soul can also cast Shield Other to take hits for the wizard, they can heal better than the paladin, they can raise the wizard from the dead if he fails a fort save. The enemy doesn't need to make a will save to attack someone else, he needs to make an intelligence check to realize that leaving them alone is a bad idea.

[Dhavaer]

Only Hexblade and Duskblade, and a Divine Power'd Cleric will have good Fort save, good Will save, and full BAB.

Hexblades don't have a good Fortitude save.

[Paul H]

Hi

Sounds simple - but what about a pure Cleric casting Shield Other?

Currently playing a Dwarf Tank - Cleric 6/Radiant Servant Pelor 10. Mithril Dwarf Axe, Mithril Full Plate, Restful Crystal. Lots of spells & powers.

Using Divine Metamagic to power up Persisted Divine Favour. Got same BAB as Fighter, more strength, and about same HP. But can buff & cast Heal when necessary. (Party also has full extended Heroes Breakfast each morning)! :smallcool:

GM limiting book access, but still, I prefer to simplify things......

Cheers
Paul H

[Keld Denar]

To even get a partial tactical victory, the enemy must: Make a will save at DC+4 to avoid targeting you, hit the Wizard's AC, and have its weapon make a Fort save at DC+4 to avoid shattering.

Unless the enemy targets the wizard with ranged attacks, or casts spells, or moves away to behind cover to hide and plot something delicious and ambushy...

Can't stop any of that.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

dose anyone know if their are any humain tank Prcs?

Afrika Korps Veteran

[Emy]

Forget prestige classes, use Crusader from Tome of Battle, possibly even make him a Mineral Warrior (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20031003e). The spell Mineralize Warrior in Underdark grants the template, and in doing so makes the affected creature your willing servant for a year and a day, which would definitely explain why he's your character's bodyguard.

This, plus Constant Guardian and Dutiful Guardian from Drow of the Underdark.


Afrika Korps Veteran

I didn't notice that he wrote "dose", "their", and "humain" until you quoted it.

[Thurbane]

Human or humane?

[Zain]

human is the race of the fighter in question

[Blackjackg]

The best build I've been able to come up with for this role is a PrC-Free Knight 17/Crusader 3 (Get the Crusader levels only after at least four or six levels of knight so you can qualify for some of the higher-level Devoted Spirit maneuvers).

Definitely look at the feats from Drow of the Underdark, too.