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Ahab
2009-07-13, 02:19 PM
Does anyone know of any supplementary content published (by WotC or not) about the katar (or in PHB terms, punching dagger) ?

I want my character to dual-wield katars (.hack// inspiration) but the 1d4 damage is pretty lame.

AugustNights
2009-07-13, 02:35 PM
EDIT: My bad, however I'd say any class that Works with a dagger should work with the Katar, so a lot of classes from the Complete Adventurer and Complete Scoundral Should work, also there are nice weapon focus classes in the Complete Warrior.

The Rose Dragon
2009-07-13, 02:37 PM
It's listed as Dagger, Punching (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#dagger).

I think he's aware of that and he just needs some more support for it.

Mongoose87
2009-07-13, 02:42 PM
Make up a PRC that combines Punch Dagger and Monk to create awesome!

Yora
2009-07-13, 05:12 PM
If it can be sold to the gm, you may say that this particular style of katars you want to use, has blades large enugh to be similar to short swords regarding damage.
Or, as they are punching weapons, you may be allowed to use full strength to damage with off hand attacks.
I think it's rather unusual to have punching daggers as simple weapons and not exotic ones. They are even weapons fpor specialists in areas, where they are native.

But I don't think I ever saw punching daggers ever in any wotc book, except for that single instance in the PHB.

alchemyprime
2009-07-13, 05:21 PM
Wasn't their some sort of weapon ability where a Monk can used Unarmed damage instead of Weapon damage for a weapon?

And the monk belt?

Just a nice combo I remember our monk using for his dagger.

Haven
2009-07-13, 05:48 PM
Wasn't their some sort of weapon ability where a Monk can used Unarmed damage instead of Weapon damage for a weapon?

...Then wouldn't it be simpler for him to just go unarmed?

Anyway, consider asking your DM if you can count punch daggers as both daggers and unarmed strike for feats relating to either (though feats relating to both don't count twice, obviously)? Then you could make a swordsage focusing on Shadow Hand and Setting Sun, and use stuff like Falling Sun Attack. It wouldn't be too much of a boost over a regular unarmed attack, but it'd still be pretty awesome.

Lappy9000
2009-07-13, 05:51 PM
Yeah, the 1d4 damage is kinda lame (I've got a character dual-wielding katars right now!), but the x3 Critical is nice. However, my group's using d20r (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98722), which makes Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, and Weapon Focus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99519) quite a bit more awesome.

I'd ask the guys on the Gaming forum if they can get a decent dual-wielding build set up for you. Otherwise, a Prestige Class focused around the weapon may work nicely.

Jane_Smith
2009-07-13, 06:24 PM
People typically want a monk to weild a weapon for the weapon enchantments. Nothing like a flurry of blows when duel-weilding +5 keen speed flaming longswords (some feat that lets you do it*), which they are normally unable to get with raw unarmed strikes. Cant really enchant your foot unless you take a prestige class like Kensai or some crap. :P

Lappy9000
2009-07-13, 07:12 PM
People typically want a monk to weild a weapon for the weapon enchantments. Nothing like a flurry of blows when duel-weilding +5 keen speed flaming longswords (some feat that lets you do it*), which they are normally unable to get with raw unarmed strikes. Cant really enchant your foot unless you take a prestige class like Kensai or some crap. :PI believe the longsword feat is in the Eberron Campaign Setting.

Lert, A.
2009-07-13, 07:15 PM
...Then wouldn't it be simpler for him to just go unarmed?

As mentioned, there are enhancements that can be added to a weapon. Also, I would assume that the damage type would be as the weapon itself, allowing to deal slashing, piercieng, etc. to vulnerable foes.

Mongoose87
2009-07-13, 07:19 PM
Or, you could buy a necklace of Natural Weapons, and never need a weapon again.

Debihuman
2009-07-13, 10:45 PM
Punching Dagger (Katar) is mentioned in Arms & Equipment page under the entry for Stump Knife but the rules for it are in the Player's Handbook.

This might be helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katar


Debby

Cieyrin
2009-07-14, 10:58 AM
On the .hack front, the Twinblades in question aren't awesome just for their blades, its for their techniques, which dovetails into going into the Tome of Battle for maneuvers and whatnot.

If you want to deal more damage with them, why not Monkey Grip (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Monkey_Grip,CW) some Large katars and go into Invisible Blade to feint and Sneak your way to victory?

For the monk path, if you have your heart set on flurrying with katars, just take Unorthodox Flurry (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Unorthodox_Flurry,DC1)(katar) and there ya go! Stabbing anyone that comes your way with style!

Them's my 2 coppers. Take as you will.

jagadaishio
2009-07-14, 11:04 AM
Fighter 4 for weapon focus and specialization and other qualifying feats, rogue 1, all of invisible blade, and all of tempest. Punch dagger is your best bet, and those classes represent your best bet of really mastering two of them. Good luck.