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Choco
2009-07-24, 08:22 PM
K, so I may be running in an evil campaign and will probably play something undead. Now, how could I make myself immune to turning/rebuking? I sure as hell don't want the evil cleric in the party gaining control of my char, thus making me roll a new one...

AstralFire
2009-07-24, 08:27 PM
"Hey, guy who's going to play a cleric."
"Yeah?"
"We're buds, right?"
"Yeah?"
"So, let's work out some character backstory that results in my character not running like an elf with his pants down from yours when you hold up your blighted cross."


OOC COMMUNICATION AND PLANNING
Like optimizing, but simpler.

(Disregard the above if this is one of those intentionally competitive, backstabbing Evil campaigns.)

oxinabox
2009-07-24, 08:28 PM
um.. can't you be a cleric and the use your rebuking to counter his turning?

ZeroNumerous
2009-07-24, 08:33 PM
(Disregard the above if this is one of those intentionally competitive, backstabbing Evil campaigns.)

An Evil cleric Rebukes rather than Turns. Which means that he just stands around rather than run.

The simplest way is just having the evil cleric bolster you. Combine with Ghoul, Lich or basically any other +Turning Resistance race and you're immune to turning as long as the cleric rolls high enough to put you at +5 or higher versus Turning. The highest a cleric can turn is Level+4 (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#turnOrRebukeUndead).

Kosjsjach
2009-07-24, 08:37 PM
You could also nab the feat Improved Turn Resistance (Libris Mortis p27). +4 boost to your effective character level in terms of turn resistance.

Emy
2009-07-24, 08:40 PM
K, so I may be running in an evil campaign and will probably play something undead. Now, how could I make myself immune to turning/rebuking? I sure as hell don't want the evil cleric in the party gaining control of my char, thus making me roll a new one...

If you can find a way to get always-on protection from good or similar, it'll keep anyone from being able to command you with rebuking.

wadledo
2009-07-24, 08:40 PM
Look at the items in this. (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/dx20021031x)
Be happy.

jmbrown
2009-07-24, 08:41 PM
Libris Mortis has improved turning resistance and also the necropolitan race which is LA 0 race that has an innate turning resistance and can heal naturally. There's no actual immunity to turning AFAIK. All undead can be turned just some are more easy than others.

Zeta Kai
2009-07-24, 08:44 PM
It would be helpful to know just which undead creature you are planning to be, so we can best determine your options.

Vampire? Ghoul? Wight? Lich? Mummy? Wraith? Revenant? Ghost? Necropolitan? Uh, Rob Zombie?

AstralFire
2009-07-24, 08:48 PM
Rob Zombie can only be turned by clerics holding a blessed pair of barber's shears.

Choco
2009-07-24, 08:50 PM
(Disregard the above if this is one of those intentionally competitive, backstabbing Evil campaigns.)

There are evil campaigns that DONT become competitive/backstabbing at some point?

Anyway, that Improved Turn Resistance feat mixed with that Cloak of Turn Resistance should do the trick, thanks.


It would be helpful to know just which undead creature you are planning to be, so we can best determine your options.

Vampire? Ghoul? Wight? Lich? Mummy? Wraith? Revenant? Ghost? Necropolitan? Uh, Rob Zombie?

Probably a mummy

Emy
2009-07-24, 09:22 PM
Probably a mummy

I'd like to take a moment to recommend Gravetouched Ghoul [Libris Mortis] instead.

grautry
2009-07-24, 09:27 PM
There are evil campaigns that DONT become competitive/backstabbing at some point?

Sure. Can work just like described here (http://www.giantitp.com/articles/XbsQgS9YYu9g3HZBAGE.html).

Innis Cabal
2009-07-24, 09:28 PM
True Rez always works.

Sinfire Titan
2009-07-24, 09:51 PM
An Evil cleric Rebukes rather than Turns. Which means that he just stands around rather than run.

The simplest way is just having the evil cleric bolster you. Combine with Ghoul, Lich or basically any other +Turning Resistance race and you're immune to turning as long as the cleric rolls high enough to put you at +5 or higher versus Turning. The highest a cleric can turn is Level+4 (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#turnOrRebukeUndead).

Not really. CO's gotten around Cleric Level +15 before.

ZeroNumerous
2009-07-24, 09:56 PM
Not really. CO's gotten around Cleric Level +15 before.

No, the table stops at Cleric Level+4. Even if you roll 9,001 on your Turning Check the maximum upper limit is Cleric+4 due to the wording of "22 or more" on the table.

tyckspoon
2009-07-24, 10:04 PM
No, the table stops at Cleric Level+4. Even if you roll 9,001 on your Turning Check the maximum upper limit is Cleric+4 due to the wording of "22 or more" on the table.

+4 may be the highest bonus you can get by rolling, but that doesn't stop you from stacking abilities and items that say something like "You gain +1 to your effective cleric level when turning undead."

KillianHawkeye
2009-07-24, 10:06 PM
I believe one of the variants for a "Good Lich" had blanket immunity to turning. Not sure which one it was, though.

Of course, that doesn't particularly help for an Evil game at all. Just sayin'.

lsfreak
2009-07-24, 10:07 PM
There are evil campaigns that DONT become competitive/backstabbing at some point?
Evil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntiHero) does not (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroicSociopath) have to be (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompleteMonster) stupid (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard).

You're welcome for the night of getting nothing done.

Keld Denar
2009-07-24, 10:09 PM
There is gear like Ephod of Authority (MIC), Phylactery of Undead Turning (DMG), Sacred Armor (A&EG) on both armor and shield, the Rod of Defiance (LM) and the Lyre of the Restless Souls (LM) to make +17 without even rolling. With that, even a level 10 cleric could turn Vecna's avatar...lol!

Tar Palantir
2009-07-24, 10:37 PM
Death knights are immune to turning, but can be banished by Holy Word and similar effects.