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Zergrusheddie
2009-07-26, 08:01 AM
I read earlier on these forums about a "Sacrilegious Fist" build thingy. Mr. Google has failed in showing me what it is exactly; all that I have seen are old posts about how it is something goofy like 20th level Divine Caster and some Monk thrown in there. What exactly is this build and how does it work?

Best of luck y'all.
-Eddie

The Rose Dragon
2009-07-26, 08:04 AM
I think it's an Ur-Priest build. Which may or may not involve Sacred Fist and Duskblade.

ghost_warlock
2009-07-26, 08:16 AM
This is the only version I've seen. (http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-570843)

playswithfire
2009-07-26, 08:16 AM
Sacrilegious Fist is any build that uses Sacred Fist to progress Ur-Priest casting. There are at least two versions, though the link to one seems to no longer work.
The one whose link is busted is: Monk 2/Duskblade 3/Ur-Priest 2/Sacred Fist 10/Enlightened Fist 3
The one I can find a link for is this (http://69.8.198.225/wotc_archive/index.php/t-570843), but I think the first is more powerful (assuming you can find the right feats, etc)

Frosty
2009-07-26, 02:21 PM
And how does one satisfy the Bluff 6 ranks requirement after Monk 2/Duskblade 3?

The Rose Dragon
2009-07-26, 02:24 PM
And how does one satisfy the Bluff 6 ranks requirement after Monk 2/Duskblade 3?

A feat that makes Bluff a permanent class skill.

I'm sure there is such a feat.

Starsinger
2009-07-26, 02:43 PM
I'm pretty sure humans get said such a feat in races of destiny.. but I don't know what it's named either.

The Rose Dragon
2009-07-26, 02:50 PM
I'm pretty sure humans get said such a feat in races of destiny.. but I don't know what it's named either.

I checked, and no, they don't. The feat Cosmopolitan in FRCS did that, though, as well as give a bonus to the skill.

Xey42
2009-07-26, 03:50 PM
races of destiny, page 150. able learner feat, for humans and doppelgangers only

The Rose Dragon
2009-07-26, 03:58 PM
races of destiny, page 150. able learner feat, for humans and doppelgangers only

That doesn't work. We need something that changes it into a class skill. Able Learner simply makes cross-class ranks cost less.

Emy
2009-07-26, 04:05 PM
For elves, there's Aereni Focus, which is like skill focus but it makes the skill a class skill, too. [Player's Guide to Eberron]

or Planar Touchstone: Catalogues of Enlightenment for one of the domains that gives bluff as a class skill. (Trickery) [Planar Handbook]

or Apprentice (Criminal) [Dungeon Master's Guide II]

You might be able to do it with Favored In House, but I don't know that it's a good idea.

Frosty
2009-07-26, 04:35 PM
Or go Pathfinder :smallsmile:. Skill ranks are no longer capped with regards to cross-classed or not!