LA of Basic Types? [3.5]

[Salvonus]

Hey guys! :smallbiggrin:

I've been thinking about putting together some races with unusual types (http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/typesSubtypes.htm). I was just wondering - what do you lot think the LA of most of these types would be, without any additional abilities added on to them? Hopefully, you'd be able to give me some sort of fraction, so I'd have an idea of where to work from. :smallbiggrin:

Oh, and this would be assuming no RHD. :smalltongue:

I'm particularly interested in:
Constructs (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#constructType) ("Proper" Constructs, not Living Constructs. I'd assume that all HD for the PC race would become d10s.)
Dragons (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#dragonType)
Elementals (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#elementalType)
Oozes (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#oozeType) (Assuming a non-Mindless Ooze, but keeping their immunity to Mind-Affecting abilities.)
Plants (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#plantType)
Undead (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#undeadType)


Thanks! :smallsmile:

[AstralFire]

Monster rules are, by far, the area of D&D that I am worst at. I mean, I'm terrible. Terr-ee-bull.

But I think Construct and Undead HD is in reference to racial hit die, and class hit die supercede this - so Commoner Golems and Wizard Zombies are stuck with d4s. I think.

[Salvonus]

Generally, Undead for-PC templates (Lich and Necropolitan come to mind) turn all your HD into d12s to make up for your lack of a Con score. :smallwink: I'd generally do a similar thing for Constructs that don't have the Living subtype.

[edit] Oh, and Zombies actually do change all their HD to d12s. :smallwink:

[AstralFire]

See, I hate dragons and undead and I've never bought any of the Monster Manuals, so this really is the absolute limit of my usefulness on this thread. Good luck, though.

[Salvonus]

The campaign setting that this question stems from may not actually contain any Undead, to be honest. :smalltongue: I just included them on my list 'cause I've always been curious about what an appropriate LA would be.

Thanks anyway. :smallsmile:

[peacenlove]

What is RHD? I assume you mean LA-buy off (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/reducingLevelAdjustments.htm)?

Let me give my opinion
Constructs. (I'd assume that all HD for the PC race would become d10s.)
Low +1 (they do not gain as many immunities/HP/Options as undead).
Dragon:
High +0 / Low +1
Elementals:
Low +1 or +1 since elementals do not age i think
Ooze(Assuming a non-Mindless Ooze, but keeping their immunity to Mind-Affecting abilities.):
+1 (note that its immunity to mind affecting is derived by its lack of intelligence score, nots its type.)
Plants:
+1
Undead:
+1 (check Necropolitan template in Libris mortis)

All these assume that you do not recalculate Hit die, B.A.B, Saves skills (which is a given).

[AstralFire]

Racial hit die.

[Salvonus]

Yup, Racial Hit Dice. I mentioned this 'cause certain types (Dragon, for example) give positively excellent RHD.


Constructs. (I'd assume that all HD for the PC race would become d10s.)
Low +1 (they do not gain as many immunities/HP/Options as undead).

Makes sense.


Dragon:
High +0 / Low +1

Yeah, it's probably in the +0 range. Immunity to Paralysis and Sleep is all that you really get when compared to Monstrous Humanoid.


Ooze(Assuming a non-Mindless Ooze, but keeping their immunity to Mind-Affecting abilities.):
+1 (note that its immunity to mind affecting is derived by its lack of intelligence score, nots its type.)

I know, but I'd keep the immunity to mind-affecting abilities nonetheless. Just look at the Plant, Undead, or Construct types - they all get that same immunity, even with an intelligence score. Ooze minds would be even less susceptible to that sort of thing, I would think. :smallsmile:


Plants:
+1

Sounds good. :smallsmile:


Undead:
+1 (check Necropolitan template in Libris mortis)

The Necropolitan is a bit cheaper than +1 LA, though. It loses you some experience and gold, but you can catch up quite quickly from that.

[peacenlove]

I know its somewhere in the monster manual (but i didnt find it on the SRD strange >.> ) and vermin (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#verminType)have the same mind affecting immunity as oozes. They specifically lose it when they gain intelligence ( i saw an intelligent vermin creature in a book or 2 cant remember which).
However you can rule it as you want since its kinda a gray area (never seen an ooze with intelligence but i think there is a template in savage species that turns a creature into an ooze so you can derive info from that). Also it makes sense that oozes have no minds whatsoever (where would that be inside a moving liquid?) :smallbiggrin:
Yeah Necropolitan indeed is a low +1 but a +1 nevertheless because the amount of options for an undead character is staggering and you could put constitution as a dump stat :P
Oh and RHD = racial hit die :P Now it makes sense.

[Salvonus]

I know its somewhere in the monster manual (but i didnt find it on the SRD strange >.> ) and vermin (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#verminType)have the same mind affecting immunity as oozes. They specifically lose it when they gain intelligence ( i saw an intelligent vermin creature in a book or 2 cant remember which).
However you can rule it as you want since its kinda a gray area (never seen an ooze with intelligence but i think there is a template in savage species that turns a creature into an ooze so you can derive info from that). Also it makes sense that oozes have no minds whatsoever (where would that be inside a moving liquid?) :smallbiggrin:

Exactly. :smallbiggrin: I don't think I've ever seen an intelligent Ooze, but I kinda wanna make one. :smallwink:

[quote[Yeah Necropolitan indeed is a low +1 but a +1 nevertheless because the amount of options for an undead character is staggering and you could put constitution as a dump stat :P[/QUOTE]

Heh, I more meant that I find Necropolitan is a bit overpowered for its pseudo-LA, given that you don't actually lose much. :smallwink: Still, the Undead type probably does average out to about LA +1. Real LA, rather than easily-recovered level loss. :smalltongue:

Well, thanks a lot for your help! :smallbiggrin:

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