OOTS Werewolf-GAME ON! Opening post page 3.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

OK, I have (finally) balanced my OOtS WW game. Here it is:

Order of the Stick Werewolf Game

Rules

There is a day phase and a night phase. Every day phase, the players vote on who they want to lynch. A majority of any kind can decide. As in: 2 bandwagons, let's say Murska and Fin. Murska has 3 votes, Fin has 2. If no other majority is reached, at the end of the day, Murska (3 votes) dies. During the night phase, everyone with a night action can use it. If someone does not vote for 3 consecutive days, he will be auto-lynched. There is no scry interference.

Roles

The Order of the Stick:

Roy-Day Baner: PMs the narrator during the night phase to protect one person from lynch the next day.
Durkon-Baner: PMs the narrator during the night phase to protect that player from night kill.
Haley-Sniper: PMs the narrator during the night phase to try to kill someone. Has a 50% chance of success.
Belkar-Voider: Hamstrings one person during the night, and that person cannot use their night action.
V-Seer: Can scry one person per night. If V scrys Elan, V will see him as the Seer.
Elan-Fool: Is told he is the seer, but he gets a random answer. If he scrys V, he will see V as the Seer.
2 Sapphire Guardsmen (masons): Start the game knowing each other. No other special ability.
7 Azurites (Villagers): They have no night actions at all, and do not know each other.


The Linear Guild:
All members of the Linear Guild begin play knowing each other.
Team, as a whole, chooses one player every night to kill (remove from game).

Nale-Alpha: Chooses the other members of the Linear Guild from the list of players.
Sabine-Devil: Can scry one person per night. Sees both V and Elan as the Seer.
Thog-Day Baner: PMs the narrator during the night phase to protect one person from the following day's lynch. This ability can be used twice throughout the game.

Win conditions are normal, but these extra wins are added: Extra win for Haley and Elan if they find each other by the end of the game. Extra win for Haley if she snipes Sabine.

Recruiting is closed.

If you roleclaim, even if you claim fake, you are instakilled and role not shown.

Co-Narrator: Supagoof

Players(2/18)

{table=Head]Signed up order|Player|Alive?/Role|Killed?(how and when)
1.|gothicbob|No/Azurite|Lynched Day 1
2.|Fin|No/Azurite|Lynched Day 4
3.|Fleeing Coward|No/Thog|Ninja'd Day 5
4.|Jontom Xire|No/Azurite|Lynched Day 8
5.|Murska|No/Nale|Sniped Night 2
6.|The Bookworm|No/Azurite|Lynched Day 6
7.|Reinholdt|No/Azurite|Lynched Day 7
8.|Lord Herman|No/Sapphire Guardsman|Killed Night 6
9.|Shadowcaller|No/Elan|Auto'd Day 7
10.|Kyouhen|Yes
11.|Opeth_Freak|No/Sapphire Guardsman|Killed Night 4
12.|Eaglewiz|No/V|Killed Night 3
13.|Heroic|No/Haley|Killed Night 7
14.|Dirk Kris|No/Belkar|Killed Night 8
15.|paddyfool|No/Roy|Killed Night 5
16.|MOD|Yes
17.|Geesi|No/Azurite|Lynched Day 3
18.|Trixie|No/Azurite|Killed Night 2
[/table]

Thanks to Da Goof for the table.

[Robert Blackletter]

Can I play please

[Fin]

In, with Cake!

[Fleeing Coward]

Count me in

[Jontom Xire]

I haven't read the rules yet, but in anyway, please.

[Murska]

Eh, sure, in.

[The Bookworm]

In. Like *insert object here*

[Reinholdt]

I'll play. At the very least to encourage new narrators and such.

[Lord Herman]

Ooo! Pick me! Pick me!

[Shadowcaller]

I will join this game. I still remember when I were a new narrator...

[Kyouhen]

I'll join.

[Opeth_Freak]

Count me in.

[EagleWiz]

Count me in as well

[Heroic]

I'm in as the Bandana Paladin!

[Dirk Kris]

In, like Fin.
Only not, because he's a liar. :smalltongue:

[paddyfool]

In, please. Should be fun. (Especially if I hit the jackpot and end up in the Linear Guild... although if I say that, whoever's Nale would never pick me, so I'd better not).

[MOD]

In...oh yes very In!

[Supagoof]

I'll help you co-narrate this one. I'd like to see it be a success for you. :smallsmile:

[Guancyto]

Might as well join. In!

[Trixie]

Well, if you still need players... :smalltongue:

[Supagoof]

Recruitment is closed.

Shadowhisper - Here's a table. I think we can add another villager role to accomodate Trixie into the game as well. You're still under the 20 mark if we do.

{table=Head]Signed up order|Player
1.|gothicbob
2.|Fin
3.|Fleeing Coward
4.|Jontom Xire
5.|Murska
6.|The Bookworm
7.|Reinholdt
8.|Lord Herman
9.|Shadowcaller
10.|Kyouhen
11.|Opeth_Freak
12.|Eaglewiz
13.|Heroic
14.|Dirk Kris
15.|paddyfool
16.|MOD
17.|Geesi
18.|Trixie
[/table]

And if you want to copy it to the first post - here's a noparse version to copy and paste.
{table=Head]Signed up order|Player
1.|gothicbob
2.|Fin
3.|Fleeing Coward
4.|Jontom Xire
5.|Murska
6.|The Bookworm
7.|Reinholdt
8.|Lord Herman
9.|Shadowcaller
10.|Kyouhen
11.|Opeth_Freak
12.|Eaglewiz
13.|Heroic
14.|Dirk Kris
15.|paddyfool
16.|MOD
17.|Geesi
18.|Trixie
[/table]

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Thanks so much, Supagoof.
Role PMs will be sent out shortly.

[Fleeing Coward]

Welcome back Trixie and I vote for Murska in advance :smalltongue:

[Lord Herman]

But Fleeing Coward, aren't you supposed to vote for yourself?

[Fleeing Coward]

Yea, after Murska dies. I'm now a believer in the Murska Constant :smallbiggrin:

[Trixie]

Sooo... is Nale busy? :smallconfused:

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Role PMs sent out. Game should start tomorrow.(after I get the roles to Da Goof:smalltongue:)

[Jontom Xire]

Hi, all.

As most of the Order don't know each other, and only the two masons know each other, there may be a workable tactic where both masons come out and confirm each other. We lynch one to prove his role, and then the baner banes the other mason while all members of the Order of the Stick tell their role to him/her.

Obviously it is possible that some member of the linear guild may get in on the act by pretending to be a member of the Order, but if all memebrs of the Order have to give their actual role then we end up with two suspects. We can then work out which one is lying.

We should be able to form a reliable network of all Order members and the last mason, who can also act as seer's proxy.

Also, one seer type should scry the remaining mason while the other scries someone else. That results in the mason knowing who the fool is.

[paddyfool]

That... could very well be game.

I vote in favour, Masons. Show yourselves!

EDIT: Waitaminute... I've thought of a flaw in the plan. Not a critical one, but it could be an issue. Sending it to Jontom by PM.

[Fin]

Why don't we just do this in every game. I don't know, but I know we don't. So perhaps it is not such a good idea...

[Fleeing Coward]

Matter of numbers. In this game with so many named roles and only 3 wolves, we can potentially end it by night one due to the pure numbers - even with dead mason, we'll have 7 networked power roles in a 18 player game.

[happyturtle]

Is it really a good idea to try and break a narrator's first game? :smalltongue:

[Jontom Xire]

Why don't we just do this in every game. I don't know, but I know we don't. So perhaps it is not such a good idea...

What FC said.

Plus in a normal game not all wolves have power roles and can be thrown away on such a tactic on the off chance that it works. Here with only three bad guys (unless I misread the rules) they simply can't afford such a gambit.

Also in normal games the seer can quite easily find the masons since there are so many of them. Find one, find all.


Is it really a good idea to try and break a narrator's first game? :smalltongue:

My apologies to the narrator. I must admit I barely read the rules when I signed up. I've been dying a lot recently, so I just signed up. I only read the rules after getting my role PM.

[paddyfool]

My minor concerns, such as they were, have been addressed by PM, and I'd like to reiterate that I think this is an excellent, even game-breaking plan.

[happyturtle]

If you follow this plan, there won't be a game. And what fun is that for anyone?

Sorry to jump into a game I'm not in, but if people who are in the game argue against it, they'll be suspected of being wolves.

[Reinholdt]

I'll argue against it!
Rather... Happy's right. There wouldn't be a game at all.

So... let's presume in our heads that we did it. And then imagine it played out. And imagine the villagers won that game. Grats villagers.

Let's pretend this is game two and we don't do it this time just to keep things exciting. See, everyone's happy, cause now the villagers won the first one and the second one is still up in the air!

[paddyfool]

Fair enough. (You sly wolf, you ;-) ).

[Murska]

Yeah. I don't like the plan. It's the most efficient way to win, sure, but I play for fun and this devolves it into just numbers. Every player points where he's told to point, the wolves die in time, game end, but what has anyone really achieved?

If I'm a Mason, I won't out myself.

[Opeth_Freak]

Wait... You mean we already won this game, before the opening post? :smallconfused:

Wow...

[Kyouhen]

I'll argue against it!
Rather... Happy's right. There wouldn't be a game at all.

So... let's presume in our heads that we did it. And then imagine it played out. And imagine the villagers won that game. Grats villagers.

Let's pretend this is game two and we don't do it this time just to keep things exciting. See, everyone's happy, cause now the villagers won the first one and the second one is still up in the air!

I'm not happy. I was a wolf in that game. :smallfrown:

[Jontom Xire]

I think that's my quickest personal win ever!

I guess this is also why Murska posted earlier that I'm more interested in having fun than winning.

Not true - some of the time :smalleek:

Anyway, just to have some fun I'd like to out myself as both a mason, and the other mason. At the same time. So as the other mason I'd like to verify to everyone that I am in fact the first mason and with my role duly verified by both masons, can all the good guys please get in touch so we can form a network.

Also, can the bad guys get in touch too, because....ummmmm...(desperately tries to think of a good reason)...ummmm...because I'll bake you all some cookies!!!!

Of course you'll have to come to my house to collect them. (Noms all cookies in the expectation that no-one will collect).

[happyturtle]

OMG, Jontom posted something silly?!

...

...

This is the BEST WEREWOLF GAME EVAH!!!!!!!!

:biggrin:

[paddyfool]

I'm not happy. I was a wolf in that game. :smallfrown:

Not sure if you're serious. On the off-chance you are, I vote Kyouhen for the chop.

[Trixie]

Well, technically the plan would be a form of mass role gathering - so its legality is a bit dubious. Then again, when I was running Fate I tried to make sure such tactics wouldn't easily work, so I haven't exactly banned it then, and I'm not the best one to comment on that.

But still, it helped us somewhat - look who is protesting the most, despite using such tactics in the past - looks like we have found our first wolf :smallamused:

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

The game hasn't even started yet. It will when I get the spreadsheet working.:smallsmile:

[Reinholdt]

Wait... You mean we already won this game, before the opening post? :smallconfused:

Wow...
Yus!

@ Jontom: :biggrin:

You know this is a great game when everyone's having fun before it even starts!

@ Trixie: You're right! Happy's a wolf! Lynch her!
Happyturtle

[Guancyto]

Now there's a bandwagon I can get behind!

Happyturtle! Your time has come!

[Selrahc]

Yeah. Happyturtle is so obviously a wolf that I'm going to wander into the thread to point at her.

It's just a pity the rest of you guys are supposed to be looking for the Linear Guild..

[happyturtle]

:smalleek:

>.>
<.<

I'm innocent! Innocent, I tell you!

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/happyturtle-avs/werewolf/WolfInSheepsClothes.jpg?t=1250114998

[Mordokai]

*readies the noose*

[Irbis]

*prepares a really big gun*


http://th09.deviantart.net/fs31/300W/i/2009/071/d/a/Sanya_Litvyak_by_koroboros.png
[Target Acquired]


*yes, that big one* :smallamused:

[Murska]

Aww, now don't be mean to Happy. Kyouhen!

[Reinholdt]

*prepares a really big gun*


http://th09.deviantart.net/fs31/300W/i/2009/071/d/a/Sanya_Litvyak_by_koroboros.png
[Target Acquired]


*yes, that big one* :smallamused:
KITTIES!
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*steals for self*

[happyturtle]

*hides behind Murska*

Save me, dad! :smalleek:

[Supagoof]

Okay - I think we got the spreadsheet stuff to work itself out now. Shadowhisper will start the game when he has a chance.

As for the public role claiming/gathering. You will have an instant death. Not an oh end of day or end of night death, an instant one. We'll post it. You'll die. :smallfurious:

Now that that little matter is cleared up. Enjoy the game! :smallsmile:

[Opeth_Freak]

All right guys, no more lies. I'm a...


You'll die. :smallfurious:

Eep! :smalleek:

*hides*

[Guancyto]

So claiming to be the Snarl will have me destroyed?

Bummer. It's gonna be tough convincing anyone to believe me. :smallfrown:

I'm only joking! Please don't kill meeee!

[Irbis]

*hides behind Murska*

Save me, dad! :smalleek:

Wait, what? :smallconfused:

Didn't Murska said he was 16 years old? :smalleek:

[happyturtle]

He is. And I'm 37. There was an accident with a time machine you see.

Yeah. It's a running joke. :smallsmile:

[Jontom Xire]

OMG, Jontom posted something silly?!

...

...

This is the BEST WEREWOLF GAME EVAH!!!!!!!!

:biggrin:


I always post silly stuff. It's just that people keep taking it seriously. Including me sometimes! :smallbiggrin:

[Robert Blackletter]

Kyouhen
Day 1 random bandwagon

[The Bookworm]

Gothicbob. Because he's TPAM. And also was the alpha in Demons WW.

[Robert Blackletter]

Gothicbob. Because he's TPAM. And also was the alpha in Demons WW.

Its day one, and with two band wagons I needed to jump on one. and Alpha one game (my first strangely) dose not make me alpha in this game. I've been demote to a different role. :smallfrown: One without killing people:smallsigh:

[Fleeing Coward]

Happyturtle because I don't think the game has officially started yet :smalltongue:

[Jontom Xire]

I point at GothicBob because the game hasn't even started and already he's jumping on bandwagons!

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Yeah, the game hadn't started yet. It starts...now! No start of game narration for me.:smalleek:


Day 1 Starts and ends in 48 hours or once everyone gets their votes in.

Cast your votes!:smalltongue:

[Jontom Xire]

I point at GothicBob because the game hadn't even started and already he was jumping on bandwagons! :biggrin:

[Opeth_Freak]

So... Where was I? Ah, yes... Happyturtle :smallbiggrin:

[Fleeing Coward]

Murska -always a wolf even when he isn't :smallbiggrin:

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

So... Where was I? Ah, yes... Happyturtle :smallbiggrin:

So... I'll count that as no vote? You do know that happyturtle isn't playing, don't you? Vote for someone else.:smalltongue:

[Opeth_Freak]

So... I'll count that as no vote? You do know that happyturtle isn't playing, don't you? Vote for someone else.:smalltongue:

Really?

.......

I was sure, she IS playing... Oops, my bad :smallredface:

Well, in that case, go random number generator! :smalltongue:

*looks at the result*

Sorry MOD

[paddyfool]

Just to reiterate, I vote Kyouhen. It looks to me like she thought the game was over and admitted to "having been" a wolf in this statement:


I'm not happy. I was a wolf in that game. :smallfrown:

[Fin]

Gothicbob because of the pre-emptive bandwagonning.

[Kyouhen]

Just to reiterate, I vote Kyouhen. It looks to me like she thought the game was over and admitted to "having been" a wolf in this statement:

I was a wolf in OOTS 1. This is OOTS 2. See?



Let's pretend this is game two and we don't do it this time just to keep things exciting. See, everyone's happy, cause now the villagers won the first one and the second one is still up in the air!

That said, Jontom Xire for being the first to point fingers. Shame on you Jontom. :smallannoyed:

[Lord Herman]

I vote Jontom Xire because he bribed me to do so!

Edit: Changed my vote.

[Reinholdt]

I vote Dirk Kris. For... having a name?

[Shadowcaller]

I will vote for Reinholdt.

[Murska]

Fleeing Coward. Jontom Xire. Fleeing Coward. Jontom Xire. Fleeing Coward.

AAAAGH!

[Guancyto]

Murska. How dare he be the poster above me.

Might be a wolf, too.

[Robert Blackletter]

Jontom Xire because I want to live

[Trixie]

Well... since it is day one... and the only (semi-)concrete piece of evidence I have is about Murska...

Then Murska it is :smallamused:

[Murska]

...Jontom Xire. :smallbiggrin:

[Lord Herman]

Murska does seem awfully gleeful about lynching Jontom. Might just be your typical villager's enthausiasm about lynching his neighbour, but someone paranoid might mistake it for wolfyness.

[Murska]

Murska does seem awfully gleeful about lynching Jontom. Might just be your typical villager's enthausiasm about lynching his neighbour, but someone paranoid might mistake it for wolfyness.

Yup. Me and JX... and FC and Aemoh and MOD and a few dozen other people... tend to point at each other a lot.

[Lord Herman]

Just know I'll be pointing at you tomorrow. :smalltongue:

[Trixie]

Murska does seem awfully gleeful about lynching Jontom. Might just be your typical villager's enthausiasm about lynching his neighbour, but someone paranoid might mistake it for wolfyness.

...

What.

There is no such thing as "mistaking" it when it comes to that person. :smallamused:

[Dirk Kris]

Jontom Xire

[Opeth_Freak]

:smallconfused:

I don't get those votes on JX, actually. Just recently he went with epic master mindful plot, to break the game for easy villager win. Why would he do that, if he would be the wolf? It doesn't make any sense what so ever, unless that was a part of his even more clever plan. The first one scold him for it was Happy, who isn't even playing with us, so this scenario seems even less likely.

Oh, and BTW: Murska

[Murska]

Me neither, really. I mean, lynching JX is always nice and good but now that he's posting funnies and being all-around awesome(not that he usually isn't), it doesn't feel right.

Gothicbob, anyone?

[Lord Herman]

Opeth Freak has a point. If JX really planned to set us up with double (or is it triple) inverse psychology, it would have been a plan too convoluted to work.

I'm therefore jumping on the other bandwagon. The Murska one. Sorry Jontom, I'll pay you back that bribe.

[Kyouhen]

:smallconfused:

I don't get those votes on JX, actually. Just recently he went with epic master mindful plot, to break the game for easy villager win. Why would he do that, if he would be the wolf? It doesn't make any sense what so ever, unless that was a part of his even more clever plan. The first one scold him for it was Happy, who isn't even playing with us, so this scenario seems even less likely.

Oh, and BTW: Murska

I made my reason for pointing at Jontom very clear. And I'm not changing my point. I get lynched for that. :smalltongue:

[Murska]

Opeth Freak has a point. If JX really planned to set us up with double (or is it triple) inverse psychology, it would have been a plan too convoluted to work.

I'm therefore jumping on the other bandwagon. The Murska one. Sorry Jontom, I'll pay you back that bribe.

Hmm. There were three votes at Gothicbob, four votes at Jontom and four votes at me when you posted that. It seems like you really want one of us two lynched. :smallconfused:

[Lord Herman]

Hmm. There were three votes at Gothicbob, four votes at Jontom and four votes at me when you posted that. It seems like you really want one of us two lynched. :smallconfused:

Or maybe Jontom decided bribing me to lynch him wasn't such a good idea after all, and he's now paying me to point at you instead. Then again, maybe Gothicbob is playing all of us against each other. Or maybe I'm making all of this up, and I really have no idea what's going on at all.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Four more people need to vote, and then we might have a day phase that lasts just one day!:smalltongue:

[Reinholdt]

Four more people need to vote, and then we might have a day phase that lasts just one day!:smalltongue:
It's recommended to not end the day or night phase early. That gives people time (especially those in different time zones) to prepare arguments and change their minds. This can be pretty important with close games/bandwagons.

Just a tip.
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Not that I've actually run one.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

I may end it before the 48 hours are ended, (because I get impatient:smallsigh:) but I won't end it today or tomorrow morning, probably. I'll probably end it tomorrow afternoon. Oh yeah, Pacific time for me. It's about 3:00 where I am as of this post.

[Opeth_Freak]

I may end it before the 48 hours are ended, (because I get impatient:smallsigh:)

Your choice, but I would be careful with it. Remember, that something very important may happen during those last hours, which can change the course of action for the next day, or even the same, if some more players are online ATM. Yeah, I also get impatient sometimes with the deadlines (especially on other forum, where I'm playing mafia. 3 week deadline - wow...), but I understand, it's important. And I think, most of the players also like or have more time to rethink all the facts.

[Robert Blackletter]

Murskato break the tie

[happyturtle]

I've narrated, and the one time I ended a day early, there were some players who were unhappy with that decision. Some people can't get online as often as others, and if they get lynched without being able to defend themselves when they thought they had more time, it can feel pretty unfair to them.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Murskato break the tie

There is no tie. Murska has the most votes at the moment.

@happyturtle: I'll keep that in mind.

[Trixie]

Your choice, but I would be careful with it. Remember, that something very important may happen during those last hours, which can change the course of action for the next day, or even the same, if some more players are online ATM. Yeah, I also get impatient sometimes with the deadlines (especially on other forum, where I'm playing mafia. 3 week deadline - wow...), but I understand, it's important. And I think, most of the players also like or have more time to rethink all the facts.

Yeah, I still remember Murska setting a diplomatic offensive against me a few times (after I went to sleep), so that when I had waked up a bandwagon was already in place with almost no time for defense.

Closing early just means someone will have no chance to react at all.

I ran a grand total of two games, and it was when forums were dying left and right, but still, I tended to gave a few hours more to compensate & to give others a chance after forumdeath. Other than that, I almost always closed shop on time, or an hour afterwards.

[Robert Blackletter]

There is no tie. Murska has the most votes at the moment.



Oh.... well then at least hes knows hes popular :smalltongue:

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Does anyone know where Eaglewiz, Heroic, MOD and The Bookworm are? They haven't pointed yet(or posted since the game-start post:smalleek:), and I'm starting to wonder where they are.

[Opeth_Freak]

Patience, young Padawan... (sounds weird, when player tells this to narrator :smalltongue:) remember, that real life is still more important than WW game on forum. When they'll have some free time, they'll come and vote. Probably...

[Trixie]

And some don't vote on certain days for strategic reasons.

That's why you have an autolynch.

[Fleeing Coward]

Gothicbob now for disguising his point to save himself as "breaking the tie"
Also let's say that Murska's life expectancy in some other game is very short atm:smallamused:

[Guancyto]

You're right, FC.

Much as I find the idea of Murska dying in every WW game simultaneously amusing, let's go for GothicBob instead.

[Heroic]

Sorry for the delay, and I'll point at Murska for now.

[Fleeing Coward]

Current votes by my count:
GothicBob - 5 (reached 5 first)
Murska - 5
Jontom Xire - 2
Kyouhen - 1
Dirk Kris - 1
Reinholdt - 1

[EagleWiz]

Some people dont like to point on day one as it is basicly just a shot in the dark and causes suspicion and emnity. Also retaliatory points. For example that Shadowcrawler person really wants to see people die. I wouldnt trust him. Ditto for Fleeing Coward (Staying waaaaay out of this wagon)

[Guancyto]

Some people don't like to point on day one because they're wolves! *scare chord*

Luckily, as selrahc was kind enough to point out, we're after a half-orc or something. All we need to do is to monopolize the fudge ripple...

[The Bookworm]

GothicBob. And I'm not THAT late...

[MOD]

Go go gadget random # generator! Looks like it was Opeth_Freak. Sorry Opeth.

[Robert Blackletter]

*Looking at the vote count
Gulp, mmmm is there a day baner in the house?

[Guancyto]

Daybane has to be decided the night before.

Powerfully sorry about that! :smalltongue:

[Robert Blackletter]

Oh....... dang. Ithink I'm going to cry
*cries
I'm n-not a b-bad guy, l-let me live p-please?

[Jontom Xire]

I'm afraid that won't work. Everyone know that people who say they aren't bad guys when they're about to be lynched actualyl ARE bad guys.

And that bad guys often admit it when it's clear they're about to be lynched. :smallwink:

I don't like the idea of Murska getting lynched day one either. See I have two theories about Murska.

1) He's a wolf and not doing his usual ploy because I made it impossible by causing the narrators to ban coming out with your role.

2) He's not doing his usual attention getting strategem because he's not a wolf.

...

or 3) He's not a wolf and not doing his usual attention getting strategem because I made it impossible by causing the narrators to ban coming out with your role.

I get the feel that 2) is the case here and not just because he is sucking up to me (arse kissing) by saying I'm awesome.

Anyway I know I am :smallbiggrin:

[Fleeing Coward]

I'll pick:
1) He's a wolf and not doing his usual ploy because I made it impossible by causing the narrators to ban coming out with your role.

That way, if he turns out to be wolf, I'm right because I picked 1 and if he turns out to be innocent, I'm right because I switched votes to save him.
Win - win situation the way I see it :smallbiggrin:

[Robert Blackletter]

I'm afraid that won't work. Everyone know that people who say they aren't bad guys when they're about to be lynched actualyl ARE bad guys.

And that bad guys often admit it when it's clear they're about to be lynched. :smallwink:

I don't like the idea of Murska getting lynched day one either. See I have two theories about Murska.

1) He's a wolf and not doing his usual ploy because I made it impossible by causing the narrators to ban coming out with your role.

2) He's not doing his usual attention getting strategem because he's not a wolf.

...

or 3) He's not a wolf and not doing his usual attention getting strategem because I made it impossible by causing the narrators to ban coming out with your role.

I get the feel that 2) is the case here and not just because he is sucking up to me (arse kissing) by saying I'm awesome.

Anyway I know I am :smallbiggrin:

Your mean! Well I'll have my revenge one day, when you least expecting it. You and your little dog

[Trixie]

I've been demote to a different role. :smallfrown: One without killing people:smallsigh:

Say, is that (per chance) Sabine with her scrying abilities? :smallamused:

[Murska]

I'll pick:
1) He's a wolf and not doing his usual ploy because I made it impossible by causing the narrators to ban coming out with your role.

That way, if he turns out to be wolf, I'm right because I picked 1 and if he turns out to be innocent, I'm right because I switched votes to save him.
Win - win situation the way I see it :smallbiggrin:

But if I turn out to be a wolf, you're wrong because you switched votes to save me and if I turn out to be innocent, you're wrong because you picked 1. :smallbiggrin:

[Fleeing Coward]

But if I turn out to be a wolf, you're wrong because you switched votes to save me and if I turn out to be innocent, you're wrong because you picked 1. :smallbiggrin:

The incorrectness is but a minor detail. The fact that I will be correct either way is what matters :smallbiggrin:

[Robert Blackletter]

I don't want to die

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

24 Hours left to change votes, make arguments, pm me with death scenes...

[Fin]

Changing my point to Murska may certain people who have PM'd pray they are correct!

[Robert Blackletter]

Dose anyone else think it strange how fc change his tune? In most recent game I have read he trying to kill murska but in this one he's trying to save him? Something not right I smell fur

[Murska]

Eh. I wished to be able to play a bit. Well, guys. You really don't want to lynch me. Really. I asked and there's no scry interference in this game so feel free to check the next night, if Baner is kind enough to protect me.

[Fleeing Coward]

Dose anyone else think it strange how fc change his tune? In most recent game I have read he trying to kill murska but in this one he's trying to save him? Something not right I smell fur

Check Zombies - main reason why I'm trying to protect Murska here. I feel bad enough for killing him there especially since it turned out I was wrong about him :smalltongue:

[Trixie]

Eh. I wished to be able to play a bit. Well, guys. You really don't want to lynch me. Really. I asked and there's no scry interference in this game so feel free to check the next night, if Baner is kind enough to protect me.

Let me guess: You scry as a Nale who is actually neutral and only has a weird secret role? :smallamused:

Anyway, until you ask nicely I'm picking a new player as the one saved, for obvious reasons.

[Murska]

Let me guess: You scry as a Nale who is actually neutral and only has a weird secret role? :smallamused:

Anyway, until you ask nicely I'm picking a new player as the one saved, for obvious reasons.

Okay. Would you please not lynch me? It's not often I get to be a VILLAGER powerrole. :smallfrown:

[Kyouhen]

I guess I'll switch to the gothicbob bandwagon to help Murska. He's kind of suspicious with his pleading anyway.

[Trixie]

Okay. Would you please not lynch me? It's not often I get to be a VILLAGER powerrole. :smallfrown:

And we should believe that why, exactly?

Besides, this game has 15 team good members, over half of them powerroles, so this isn't saying much, even if you say the truth. Oh, and there is no such thing as villager powerrole, they're mutually exclusive.

Oh, and I still remember that in my two last games you had a good powerrole (Assassins & The Seven), so even that 'not often' argument seems fishy. And I remember what you did to other good powerroles in those games, incidentally.

[Opeth_Freak]

Oh, and I still remember that in my two last games you had a good powerrole (Assassins & The Seven), so even that 'not often' argument seems fishy. And I remember what you did to other good powerroles in those games, incidentally.

Also in S.E.U. IV, though he got killed rather quickly.

[Murska]

And we should believe that why, exactly?

Besides, this game has 15 team good members, over half of them powerroles, so this isn't saying much, even if you say the truth. Oh, and there is no such thing as villager powerrole, they're mutually exclusive.

Oh, and I still remember that in my two last games you had a good powerrole (Assassins & The Seven), so even that 'not often' argument seems fishy. And I remember what you did to other good powerroles in those games, incidentally.

Aw, I don't want to start arguing. :smallfrown:

But I shall. My powerrole happens to be rather important as everyone can see in one night anyway. If I'm a wolf, just lynch me tomorrow. Not such a big deal.

'Villager powerrole' is a term meaning 'a powerrole on the villager's side'.

I wasn't a powerrole in Assassins.

[paddyfool]

Argle. Switching vote to GothicBob. I'm not at all sure, but he seems, very marginally, more guilty than Murska.

[Robert Blackletter]

Keeping you in thegame merely prolong the time the dog boys can use your powers. It be safer getting rid of you or fc, then killing me if I am wrong. But if murska change his vote to fc then so will I.

[Trixie]

But I shall. My powerrole happens to be rather important as everyone can see in one night anyway. If I'm a wolf, just lynch me tomorrow. Not such a big deal.

Erm... the only good role with the effect you described would be Haley, and even so, you cannot prove it, unless you do something like shoting me, killing someone from the Team Good in process.

You admitted you're not baner, said you're not a mason, not a villager - and yet, no good role left can do anything to prove anything, like you claimed.

Well, I hate to admit it, but you start to sound like a wolf trying to waste one lynch, or drag things to maybe create another bandwagon tomorrow, blurring the picture, especially after that protest to Jontom's plan.

Of course, I could be wrong, so if you can, give me one good point/proof about your innocence, and I'll change that point.


'Villager powerrole' is a term meaning 'a powerrole on the villager's side'.

I wasn't a powerrole in Assassins.

Um... no. It's like saying 'flying kiwi' or 'brave chicken'. I think you're thinking 'good powerrole'.

And yes, you were. One even got named after you :smallamused:

Or was that role someone else had? Hmm, I'd have to check, but you were definitely connected. Ahem.

[Robert Blackletter]

I guess I'll switch to the gothicbob bandwagon to help Murska. He's kind of suspicious with his pleading anyway.

Dang, was going for sad and pathitic. Make you feel sorry for me.

[Murska]

Erm... the only good role with the effect you described would be Haley, and even so, you cannot prove it, unless you do something like shoting me, killing someone from the Team Good in process.

You admitted you're not baner, said you're not a mason, not a villager - and yet, no good role left can do anything to prove anything, like you claimed.

Well, I hate to admit it, but you start to sound like a wolf trying to waste one lynch, or drag things to maybe create another bandwagon tomorrow, blurring the picture, especially after that protest to Jontom's plan.

Of course, I could be wrong, so if you can, give me one good point/proof about your innocence, and I'll change that point.



Um... no. It's like saying 'flying kiwi' or 'brave chicken'. I think you're thinking 'good powerrole'.

And yes, you were. One even got named after you :smallamused:

Or was that role someone else had? Hmm, I'd have to check, but you were definitely connected. Ahem.

I can't prove anything. I can, however, be scried. As I said, there's no scry interference in this game. And I've nowhere claimed not to be a baner or a villager or a mason, I've just implied it. I protested Jontom's plan because it was very, very unfun and what's the point of playing the game if not for fun?

Also, since there is no official terminology about the WW games and 'villager powerrole' is a term widely used and accepted, I'm pretty sure there's no point in arguing about that.

About my innocence, there's some possibilities:

1: I'm a wolf. I die tomorrow. Oh well, you wasted a single day.
2: I'm an important villager powerrole. I survive. Yay, we have a good chance of getting something done.
3: I'm a wolf. I die today. Congratulations.
4: I'm an important villager powerrole. I die today. You just lynched an important villager powerrole. Good going.

Now let's see the possible consequences: Keep me alive today and the worst that could happen is that one lynch is wasted. Kill me today and the worst that could happen is an important villager powerrole is lynched.

It's your call, but I think it's pretty clear which one is more important.

Also off to sleep now. Darn school...

[Opeth_Freak]

1: I'm a wolf. I die tomorrow. Oh well, you wasted a single day.

(...)

Now let's see the possible consequences: Keep me alive today and the worst that could happen is that one lynch is wasted.

*cough*Thog*cough*

[Guancyto]

Now let's see the possible consequences: Keep me alive today and the worst that could happen is that one lynch is wasted. Kill me today and the worst that could happen is an important villager powerrole is lynched.

Well, as long as the Baner doesn't come out of the blue and tell you his identity over this... :smalltongue:

Also, wasting Thog's all of two daybanes ever on days 2 and 3 seems like a bad plan, especially since there's a good Voider rolling around.

If Murska is Nale: Three days down the drain. What's that? Wasting the first few lynch days? In a werewolf game? Alert the media! On the plus side, we get Nale, so Vaarsuvius has it made. The wolves are also 1/6 the total cast, so we can actually afford a lot of no-lynch days.

If Murska is Sabine: He'll get maybe one scry off before he's dead. Probably less, because there's a Sniper.

If Murska is Thog: Lynched on day 3 when his decision to daybane himself gets voided and the seer has a proxy. Has to be decided at night, remember?

I don't think he's a wolf though (I know, I know, blasphemy). Alpha got to pick his team, and while I certainly wouldn't want to meet Murska in a dark alley, he's also done an awful lot of getting killed lately. Gothicbob, on the other hand, is much more likely to fly under the radar.

[Robert Blackletter]

About my innocence, there's some possibilities:

1: I'm a wolf. I die tomorrow. Oh well, you wasted a single day.tt
2: I'm an important villager powerrole. I survive. Yay, we have a good chance of getting something done.
3: I'm a wolf. I die today. Congratulations.
4: I'm an important villager powerrole. I die today. You just lynched an important villager powerrole. Good going.

Now let's see the possible consequences: Keep me alive today and the worst that could happen is that one lynch is wasted. Kill me today and the worst that could happen is an important villager powerrole is lynched.

This prove little, has all 4 steps could apply to me. Everyone should look at his and fc behaviour, they not actting like they would normally, they are tring to protect each other! We have seen these to attack each other to there own team determent but we never seen them help each other before

[Robert Blackletter]

Well, as long as the Baner doesn't come out of the blue and tell you his identity over this... :smalltongue:

Also, wasting Thog's all of two daybanes ever on days 2 and 3 seems like a bad plan, especially since there's a good Voider rolling around.

If Murska is Nale: Three days down the drain. What's that? Wasting the first few lynch days? In a werewolf game? Alert the media! On the plus side, we get Nale, so Vaarsuvius has it made. The wolves are also 1/6 the total cast, so we can actually afford a lot of no-lynch days.

If Murska is Sabine: He'll get maybe one scry off before he's dead. Probably less, because there's a Sniper.

If Murska is Thog: Lynched on day 3 when his decision to daybane himself gets voided and the seer has a proxy. Has to be decided at night, remember?

I don't think he's a wolf though (I know, I know, blasphemy). Alpha got to pick his team, and while I certainly wouldn't want to meet Murska in a dark alley, he's also done an awful lot of getting killed lately. Gothicbob, on the other hand, is much more likely to fly under the radar.

But if I was trying to fly under the rader then why put myself out there like I have. I have been very visable even before fc brought my name up again. My band wagon had died, it fc that brought more fuel on to it. If you look at the demon thread I was an alpha and I stayed off the radar throughout apart from once. And then I quickly move it off me. Murska the more dangerous player, if he left to live, then he will cuase trouble as a wolf while I'm new and less likely to do anything surpising if I scry as a wolf.

[Guancyto]

Well.

The odds that both of you are innocent are around ~70%. The chances of you both being good power roles is more like ~25%. If Murska's on the level (admittedly a dangerous proposition), those are odds I will take.

And if he isn't, eh, Murska's a wolf trying something tricky, let's all trust him completely and PM him our roles.

Psst! I'm the Bag of Tricks Rhino (Neutral Beast Seer Alpha Voider)!

Narrators, this is a joke again, please don't kill me!

[Trixie]

I can't prove anything. I can, however, be scried. As I said, there's no scry interference in this game. And I've nowhere claimed not to be a baner or a villager or a mason, I've just implied it.

1: I'm a wolf. I die tomorrow. Oh well, you wasted a single day.
2: I'm an important villager powerrole. I survive. Yay, we have a good chance of getting something done.
3: I'm a wolf. I die today. Congratulations.
4: I'm an important villager powerrole. I die today. You just lynched an important villager powerrole.

Saying 'I can't do something' is a pretty much dead giveaway.

As for points: doesn't Alpha scries as villager? Still, even if he isn't, there is something to be gained for you: Thog's protection. If you're Sabine, you can count on getting up to three free scries, while, at the same time, you'll be intensively muddying the waters to make people forget about you. If it looks Thog's in danger, you can suddenly remind anyone about yourself.

Oh, and while all of this is happening, good aligned people and potentially even powerroles die.

Anyway, I'm not convinced by you, or by gothicbob, but for reasons that are obvious to anyone I'll give a chance to a new player.

Psst! Good thinking, Geesi - [rolls dice] - I'm apparently a Katty (neutral voider-viler-villager)! :smallbiggrin:

[Guancyto]

As for points: doesn't Alpha scries as villager?

It does. But if Murska claims a good power role and then scries as a villager? It's killin' time!

Oh snap! My secret win condition is to kill you, Trixie!

[Trixie]

It does. But if Murska claims a good power role and then scries as a villager? It's killin' time!

Really? He will say something along the lines "I just wanted to live, anyway, that proves I'm innocent. Never mind my claims about proving anything."

If he managed to convince anyone with "I scry as a wolf, but I'm really good, look!" that it is better to don't give an opportunity to wiggle out of something suspicious, again. IMHO.

Ha! Try getting through my vile void first, Rhino! :>

[Lord Herman]

I have a cunning plan that cannot fail.

First, everyone posts their role in the thread.

Then we lynch all the wolves.

[Guancyto]

But what if Argent happens to be a secret role?

Does he count as a wolf or a dog?

Curses, foiled again! You'll pay for this, PlanetTrixie!

[happyturtle]

Do you lynch the wolves before or after everyone insta-dies?

[Trixie]

Change of plan, then: Have only wolves post their roles.

And Murska.

No, wait, that's kind of redundant.

There, happy ending, everyone should vote for this! :smallbiggrin:

[Kyouhen]

I vote for Trixie's plan.

[Lord Herman]

I agree. Trixie's plan is even more cunning than mine, and cannot possibly fail.

[Guancyto]

I vote against Trixie's plan.

Completely cuts Haley off from her extra win conditions. :smallfrown:

[Opeth_Freak]

I vote against Trixie's plan.

Completely cuts Haley off from her extra win conditions. :smallfrown:

Was that a claim? :smallamused:

[Guancyto]

Was that a claim? :smallamused:

*notices storm clouds forming* :eek:

Goodness no! But I wouldn't mind the idea of a certain power role (who is not me, and who hopefully won't shoot me during the night for implying such) getting an extra-happy ending.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Actually no, Alpha does not scry as villager.
Not in this game, anyway.

[Fleeing Coward]

Current Votes:
GothicBob - 7
Murska - 6
Jontom Xire - 1
Dirk Kris - 1
Reinholdt - 1
Opeth Freak -1

I'm more interested in those that are keeping off both bandwagons. I know if I were one of 3 wolves in a 18 player game, I'd be keeping under the radar at the start rather than attract the attention that GothicBob and Murska are getting considering that scry interference isn't in place.

[Kyouhen]

Well I was hoping for more evidence against either bandwagon, and I don't really like what we have now, so Fleeing Coward just so I'm not the one who gets either Murska or Bob killed.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Voting ends.

(To make part of this short, everyone now looks like The Guy with a Halberd.)

"You had something that had a blade! It even had blood on it!" Said, um, TGwaH.
"Yeah, he's right, you did!" Said another Guy with a Halberd.
"What? No! Don't kill me, kill Murska instead!" Said gothicbob, pointing at Murska.
They called it to a vote.
"Ok, 6 for you, and 6 for Murska. But you were voted for first." Said the first guy, preparing a noose.

After Gothicbob was hanged, he reverts from Guy with Halberdness to his original form.

Summary:
Gothicbob was lynched. He was an Azurite(villager).


Day 1 ends. Night 1 begins and ends in 24 hours. Send me your night actions.

EDIT: Sorry Kyouhen, but that vote didn't count, as I was already writing this. And I can't change it now, because people have seen it by now.:smalleek:

[Selrahc]

((Doesn't really matter too much... But as an fyi, some narrators post when the day has ended then edit that post to contain the update to avoid these situations.))

[Kyouhen]

EDIT: Sorry Kyouhen, but that vote didn't count, as I was already writing this. And I can't change it now, because people have seen it by now.:smalleek:

Eh, probably wouldn't have been enough to keep him from dying anyway. :smalltongue:

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

@^: Yes it would have, actually.
@^^: Huh?

[Selrahc]

As soon as you get ready to end the day, put in a placeholder post. Something like "Day ends, update coming.", that way people won't post while you're busy updating.

[Kyouhen]

@^: Yes it would have, actually.
@^^: Huh?

It would have? I must have miscounted... I thought Murska had reached the (now) tie votes first...

Oh well, I tried. :smalltongue:

[Fleeing Coward]

Yea, if Shadowwhisper had counted your vote change, Murska would technically have reached 6 votes first even though gothicbob dropped down from 7 votes to 6 votes :smalltongue:

[Robert Blackletter]

Dang, good game all

[Lord Herman]

Hold on, you were a villager? Why didn't you tell us? We could have lynched Murska if you hadn't gone around pretending to be a wolf! :smalltongue:

[Robert Blackletter]

Hold on, you were a villager? Why didn't you tell us? We could have lynched Murska if you hadn't gone around pretending to be a wolf! :smalltongue:

It was that simple! Dang ;p

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Night 1 ends. Narration up soon.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Everyone got a good night's sleep.
Summary:
Nobody was killed.


Day 2 starts and ends in 48 hours.

[Opeth_Freak]

Looks like a Baner did a good job :smallamused:

So... Where was I? Ah yes... Murska, unless Seer or Seer's proxy says otherwise.

[EagleWiz]

Yep. Its time to kill Murska

[Kyouhen]

Murska. Plain and simple. :smalltongue:

[Lord Herman]

Hi ho bandwagon, away! Murska.

[Fin]

Murska, unless of course the seer has something to say about it...

[Dirk Kris]

I sorta feel bad for lynching Murska so early all the time. But then I remember things like Smash Brothers and I get over it. :smallbiggrin:

[Fleeing Coward]

One major problem with this unreal bandwagon - it's only day 2 so how does the seer/fool know which they are.
And they can't really come forward themselves to say anything for or against Murska even if they are sure they're the seer since it's most likely the baner got attacked last night and he can't protect 2 players at once.

Withholding my point for now.

[Trixie]

Unbreakable union of hidden wolf players
Great Murska has welded forever to stand!
Created in struggle against the gooders
United and mighty, by Murska's hand!

Sing to the Murska, leader of the evil,
Bulwark of roles, in brotherhood strong!
Oh! Wolves of Alpha! The strength of the devil,
To Murska's triumph will lead us on!

I hope you won't find this inappropriate :smalltongue:

[Reinholdt]

*bites lip*
*regrets saying it*
I just... don't think Murska is a wolf this time...
*ducks the thrown objects*

paddyfool

[MOD]

Murska he's gotta go.

[Guancyto]

Could the seer have found a decent proxy having only scried Murska?

Unless it's him, the only way of clearing him is for the seers to out themselves to an unknown. This seems like a poor plan no matter what role he is.

So let's go with Opeth_Freak.

[Lord Herman]

Unbreakable union of hidden wolf players
Great Murska has welded forever to stand!
Created in struggle against the gooders
United and mighty, by Murska's hand!

Sing to the Murska, leader of the evil,
Bulwark of roles, in brotherhood strong!
Oh! Wolves of Alpha! The strength of the devil,
To Murska's triumph will lead us on!

I hope you won't find this inappropriate :smalltongue:

Aaaah! Commie! Kill him!

[Heroic]

I'll point at Murska

[paddyfool]

*bites lip*
*regrets saying it*
I just... don't think Murska is a wolf this time...
*ducks the thrown objects*

paddyfool

You had a point, right up to where you voted ;-)

I'm not really that convinced, either, although I don't see any other leads, so I may as well just be vindictive, Reinholdt. Incidentally... my opening post should make me almost 67% less likely to be a wolf than anyone else (since it should make Nale less likely to want to pick me) :smallwink:

[The Bookworm]

Murska. Always a linear guilder.

[Murska]

Well, I'm not going to die today. That's due to my role. No, it's not a wolf role.

I've been contacted by someone who scried me correctly. Now he'll need to find a proxy. Waste a lynch if you wish.

Reinholdt strikes me as a player an alpha would pick.

[Shadowcaller]

I can't really trust Murska after what he did in demons.

[Fin]

Well, I'm not going to die today. That's due to my role. No, it's not a wolf role.

So your claiming Roy?

[Murska]

So your claiming Roy?

I'm not claiming anything. Since that's against the rules and gets you instantly killed.

[Kyouhen]

Hmmm... If Murska really is Roy then we'll just waste this day trying to lynch him. On the other hand if Nale is someone who's been around a while and if he can pick what roles the rest of the guild gets then Thog would be the perfect place to put Murska, especially if we don't get any info that tells us if the person we try to lynch was saved by Roy or Thog.

I'm going to withdraw my vote for now. If Murska really has made contact with the Seer then all we need is a proxy and we can find out if he's telling the truth.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Withdraw your vote? Meaning pretty much change vote to no lynch?:smallconfused:

[Heroic]

A question about the rules, do we get to know if it was Roy or Thog who performed the day lynch?

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

No, you don't.

[Kyouhen]

Withdraw your vote? Meaning pretty much change vote to no lynch?:smallconfused:

More along the lines of waiting to see what happens before I pick someone to vote against.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

More along the lines of waiting to see what happens before I pick someone to vote against.

You pointed at Murska, I think.

[Kyouhen]

You pointed at Murska, I think.

I had, but I'm taking it back so people don't count it towards any bandwagons. I want to see what other ideas come up before I decide what to do.

[Fleeing Coward]

I'm going with the alternate bandwagon on Reinholdt here. Even if it turns out that Murska is indeed a wolf I think chances are good that he'd be day baned today. (Unless he's Thog and got voided last night or if the voider randomly voided Thog of course)

[Jontom Xire]

Murska.

Why?

1) He claimed to be a useful role - Roy (if he is Roy) isn't that useful.
2) If he's Roy, he's safe. If he's Thog he loses a day bane.

I know no-lynch days aren't great, but if we lynch Murska three days in a row and he survives....

Also as to the no-kill last night:

1) Inactive wolves - yeah right! On the other hand the night phase happened over the weekend and I for one didn't see the day end post until after the night had ended already.

2) Murska is baner. After claiming a role the wolves tried to kill him but he was baning himself (or being baned by the baner - I know I would). Question to narrators - don't we get told if the baner successfully banes someone? Anyway, this is moderate likelihood depending on who is in the linear guild. Games have been lost by attacking the person who was being baned on several occasions (Black Iron Prison, anyone?).

3) Murska is linear guild and ordered that there not be a night kill to make it look like he had baned himself. Less likely as usually when there is a bane we get told that the bane happened and often who the potential victim was.

[Trixie]

Hmmm... If Murska really is Roy then we'll just waste this day trying to lynch him. On the other hand if Nale is someone who's been around a while and if he can pick what roles the rest of the guild gets then Thog would be the perfect place to put Murska, especially if we don't get any info that tells us if the person we try to lynch was saved by Roy or Thog.

Yeah, we are not wasting anything. There are 5 good roles to 1 evil in this game, so we have ~85% chance of lynching someone good if we switch the vote. More, we have ~60% chance of lynching a powerrole out of good roles remaining, so...

Yes, there won't be a lynch today is Murska really is daybaned, but there was no nightkill either, and instead of killing (almost surely) someone good we can get useful info. That being said, there are three possibilities:

1) Murska is Roy. Great, we confirmed one good role, nice for seer test.
2) Murska is evil. Great, Team Evil is burning banes before they did anything, and we caught a wolf.
3) There is no daybane, because Murska either is lying through his teeth, or because he told Team Evil to save them (possibly because he figured he can lie his way out of the bandwagon - it's his specialty, after all). More info gained.

Oh, and I seem to remember a promise from a certain someone, that he will give us proof - somehow, it failed to happen.

[paddyfool]

Switching to Murska. His whole "I'm going to be day-baned" claim, if true, gives him a 75% probability of being in the Linear Guild, because it means one of the following four options:

1) He's Roy
2) He's Thog, and (probably) protected by one of Thog's two day-banes
3) He's Sabine, and (probably) protected by one of Thog's two day-banes
4) He's Nale, and (probably) protected by one of Thog's two day-banes

Given these numbers, this would have been a stupid defence to try if he was a villager, OOTS or mason, so I reckon it has to be one of these four. And given, also, that they can only kill one of us off each night, and that they can only do that if they manage not to overlap with the night baner, I reckon Murska's a shoe-in.

[Murska]

Switching to Murska. His whole "I'm going to be day-baned" claim, if true, gives him a 75% probability of being in the Linear Guild, because it means one of the following four options:

1) He's Roy
2) He's Thog, and (probably) protected by one of Thog's two day-banes
3) He's Sabine, and (probably) protected by one of Thog's two day-banes
4) He's Nale, and (probably) protected by one of Thog's two day-banes

Given these numbers, this would have been a stupid defence to try if he was a villager, OOTS or mason, so I reckon it has to be one of these four. And given, also, that they can only kill one of us off each night, and that they can only do that if they manage not to overlap with the night baner, I reckon Murska's a shoe-in.

I'm none of those four. And the proof is out there, we just need to wait this one unproductive lynch or possibly more depending on the seer's luck to have someone safe to spread it. After all, I doubt anyone believes if I say I was scried. See, my specialty is not lying my way out of bandwagons, it's getting in touch with people early. :smallwink:

[Guancyto]

Actually, come to think of it...


Thog-Day Baner: PMs the narrator during the night phase to protect one person from the following day's lynch. This ability can be used twice throughout the game.

If Thog's used his day bane on Murska, the wording would indicate that counts toward the total whether or not he actually gets lynched. If Roy's used his day bane on Murska, nothing's wasted but today's killin'.

[Kyouhen]

Actually, come to think of it...



If Thog's used his day bane on Murska, the wording would indicate that counts toward the total whether or not he actually gets lynched. If Roy's used his day bane on Murska, nothing's wasted but today's killin'.

And here's where the problems start. If Murska's Thog or has Thog's protection, we don't just lose today's killing, we lose tomorrow's as well. And if he's got Roy's protection we'll lose the day after that's too just to find out who he knows. That's 3 days of no kills for the wolves to catch up on.

[Opeth_Freak]

Gaah! I'm sick of those weird theories thrown around. This assumed real seer, who scried Murska - please contact me. Or if you don't trust me (which is understandable), scry me and then contact me. I can be helpful with networking/ dealing with Murska's problem.

[Trixie]

Geesi & Kyouhen - hmm, you two seem awfully bent on saving Murska, or at least making sure he isn't checked - as you did a day before :smallannoyed:

And if the person who contacted me is a real mason, then neither of you nor Murska are one, so it cannot be explained by masons or seer trying to save the network.

So what if we waste one or two days? We've got five players to their one, and as soon as we have a solid lead, Haley can shoot them all without even trying, making up for any lost days, as voided wolves aren't terribly effective.

If, on the other hand, we do as you propose and begin blindly lynching good guys (85%, remember?), then we will end up without their abilities or any data to act upon. :smallannoyed:

[Guancyto]

I'm pretty sure my one vote isn't stopping this bandwagon. So one way or another, we'll have some idea what the deal is.

All I'm saying is, saying that he hasn't provided evidence isn't strictly fair: he can't be cleared until at least tomorrow, and we all knew that yesterday.

@V Hmm, fair point. Seer/proxy works much faster and more effectively than attempting to lynch him for three days straight.

[Kyouhen]

Geesi & Kyouhen - hmm, you two seem awfully bent on saving Murska, or at least making sure he isn't checked - as you did a day before :smallannoyed:

And if the person who contacted me is a real mason, then neither of you nor Murska are one, so it cannot be explained by masons or seer trying to save the network.

So what if we waste one or two days? We've got five players to their one, and as soon as we have a solid lead, Haley can shoot them all without even trying, making up for any lost days, as voided wolves aren't terribly effective.

If, on the other hand, we do as you propose and begin blindly lynching good guys (85%, remember?), then we will end up without their abilities or any data to act upon. :smallannoyed:

I'm not bent on saving him, I'm only interested in not spending a day with no lynch until the seer can get a proxy to tell us whether or not Murska's telling the truth.

[Jontom Xire]

Gaah! I'm sick of those weird theories thrown around. This assumed real seer, who scried Murska - please contact me. Or if you don't trust me (which is understandable), scry me and then contact me. I can be helpful with networking/ dealing with Murska's problem.

Opeth Freak - the same can be said of almost everyone playing this game. Why you?

Let the seer scry who they wish. It has the advantage that they are less likely to somehow be tricked by a wolf, and that they can choose someone they work well with (which is probably why, even when I get scried, the seer rarely gets in touch - at least not immediately ;)

Plus the wolves won't have any idea who the seer scried.

[Opeth_Freak]

Opeth Freak - the same can be said of almost everyone playing this game. Why you?

Because scrying me will be something more than just 'ah, +1 to innocents.'

[Lord Herman]

Because scrying me will be something more than just 'ah +1 to innocents.'

I knew it! You're the seer, and if you scry yourself, you'll know you're you!

[Opeth_Freak]

I knew it! You're the seer, and if you scry yourself, you'll know you're you!

Curses! You spoiled my perfect plan! :smalltongue:

[Fin]

But by saying that you have now made yourself an unviable option for scry due to the fact that the wolves will probably target you now as soon as possible. So the seer should scry pretty much anyone but you!

[Opeth_Freak]

Maybe that's the plan? :smallamused:

Also, if you meant scry interference by that, it's not in here, so that's not a problem.

Anyway, as long as next seer's scry will help us deciding whether Murska is telling truth or not, I'll be satisfied.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Day ends, update coming.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Several Guys with Halberds accosted Murska as he was walking through the streets of Azure City.
"You're always a wolf/linear guilder/Evil role!" said one of the GwHs.
"What? No! I'm not evil this time!" said Murska, stepping back.
Someone else ran up and said, "He's not always evil, he wasn't in Zombies, so why do you think he's evil in this game?"
The guys with halberds thought about that for a moment, then went away.
"Thank you for saving my life."
"No problem."

Summary:
Murska was daybaned.


Night 2 begins and ends in 24 hours.

[Trixie]

Sooo... Murska is Nale. Or Sabine.

Or he managed to out-lie Roy, which would be his typical behavior, yes. :smallannoyed:

[Jontom Xire]

Or is Thog. Or is Roy.

I'm assuming that all the OOTS guys don't know each other. And can you really imagine the guy who is Roy daybaning Murska without certain knowledge that he's a good guy? Really? With his reputation?

Anyway, so we try and lynch him again tomorrow and if he is a bad guy then Thog's day banes are used up and we can lynch him the day after.

[Kyouhen]

Ok, so then. I would appreciate it if the Seer would scry me tonight. It would be a very good idea to do so and the wolves know who I am anyway, so I'll be more than happy to act as a proxy.

[Fin]

How could you possibly know what the wolves know? I am going to vote for you tomorrow because of this statement.

There are only two ways you could know they know what you are:

1. They have contacted you after scrying you and told you as much, in which case tell us who contacted you and we can lynch them.

2. Your a wolf.

[paddyfool]

I'd like to strongly suggest that whoever's playing Haley should shoot Murska tonight. As he's been baned, there's a 75% probability that he's one of the Linear Guild. In the 25% probability that he is Roy, well... daybaner isn't that useful, since all he can really do is save himself from lynching. Which may, in turn, end up wasting two further rounds of lynching in any event.

We can discount the possibility that he's someone other than Roy or an LG for the reasons given by Jontom Xire. As for any reduction in the probability based on the LGs having been more likely to save a day bane... well, given prior rounds, does it really seem likely that (a) Thog wouldn't have one remaining and (b) he wouldn't anticipate Murska needing it?

[Murska]

I'd like to strongly suggest that whoever's playing Haley should shoot Murska tonight. As he's been baned, there's a 75% probability that he's one of the Linear Guild. In the 25% probability that he is Roy, well... daybaner isn't that useful, since all he can really do is save himself from lynching. Which may, in turn, end up wasting two further rounds of lynching in any event.

We can discount the possibility that he's someone other than Roy or an LG for the reasons given by Jontom Xire. As for any reduction in the probability based on the LGs having been more likely to save a day bane... well, given prior rounds, does it really seem likely that (a) Thog wouldn't have one remaining and (b) he wouldn't anticipate Murska needing it?

In fact we can not.

Also, this post makes me suspicious of you. After all, the WHOLE POINT of me being still alive is to have the seer, who scried me last night, scry someone else to proxy tomorrow.

[paddyfool]

In fact we can not.

Also, this post makes me suspicious of you. After all, the WHOLE POINT of me being still alive is to have the seer, who scried me last night, scry someone else to proxy tomorrow.

Ridiculous. If the seer scried you last night, then they'd have had no time to identify the daybaner, and thus no time to indicate to him that he'd need to protect you. Therefore there's a 75% chance that you're a wolf, which is pretty good odds in this game.

[Murska]

Ridiculous. If the seer scried you last night, then they'd have had no time to identify the daybaner, and thus no time to indicate to him that he'd need to protect you. Therefore there's a 75% chance that you're a wolf, which is pretty good odds in this game.

The seer might've scried me as the daybaner. Or I might've found the daybaner. Or the daybaner might've randomly protected me(yeh right).

Anyway, after you've already wasted a day trying to lynch me and after you would, tomorrow, know for sure whether I am a wolf or not, you're trying to get the sniper to waste her kill at a villager powerrole? That is very, very wolfy.

[paddyfool]

The seer might've scried me as the daybaner. Or I might've found the daybaner. Or the daybaner might've randomly protected me(yeh right).


- If "the seer scried you as the daybaner", that's not exclusive to being the daybaner, and doesn't alter the odds.
- If you'd found the daybaner, you'd be the seer, and what's more, you'd have got very lucky indeed. (Or you'd be the fool, and either have got even more lucky, or hit an LG, but we're getting into very unlikely territory here). I really don't think this is a likely option.


Anyway, after you've already wasted a day trying to lynch me and after you would, tomorrow, know for sure whether I am a wolf or not, you're trying to get the sniper to waste her kill at a villager powerrole? That is very, very wolfy.

If you're not a wolf, having thrown out this kind of accusation in the face of logic... I'll eat my hat. With mayonnaise.

[Kyouhen]

I'd like to say that I'm 100% against having Murska shot. I'd like to once more put forth the idea of the Seer and Fool (if you haven't figured out which you are yet) scrying and/or contacting me. When morning comes we'll know if either has scried Murska. If you really don't trust him let's have Belkar void him in case he really is Thog. Do that and he dies tomorrow to votes. If we find out he really was scried then we just won't lynch him and he won't have to worry about being daybaned tomorrow anyway.

[Murska]

Paddyfool. If you haven't understood it yet... You do not have to be seer to talk to someone and find out his role.

That's pretty much what the whole 'Murska - Wolf' thing is based on. I always talk to people, I find out their roles, if I'm on a team that's opposed to them that means trouble.

[Trixie]

Or is Thog. Or is Roy.

Nope. The wording of narration and the last sentence strongly indicate Murska was daybaned by others. No one (yet) introduced our (new) narrator to the concept of lying narrations, so I'm going to take that at face value.


I'm assuming that all the OOTS guys don't know each other. And can you really imagine the guy who is Roy daybaning Murska without certain knowledge that he's a good guy? Really? With his reputation?

They don't.

And I've seen baner confessing to Murska, on day one, who then asked him to protect a random person and killed him :smallamused:

Or that one claim of 'neutral scrying as a wolf' that failed to get him lynched through entire game. :smalltongue:

Or that big... But this will have to wait until that game is over, as I don't want to spoil the surprise for the remaining players, and I technically shouldn't know this anyway :smallbiggrin:

[Trixie]

Paddyfool. If you haven't understood it yet... You do not have to be seer to talk to someone and find out his role.

That's pretty much what the whole 'Murska - Wolf' thing is based on. I always talk to people, I find out their roles, if I'm on a team that's opposed to them that means trouble.

Yeah, right. :smallannoyed:

You never speak to me, even when we're on the same team. :smallannoyed:

No, I think especially if we are on the same team.

Anyway, I think I should add an addendum to 'Trixie is never evil': 'and is never in cahoots with Murska, never, ever'. :smallamused:

[paddyfool]

Paddyfool. If you haven't understood it yet... You do not have to be seer to talk to someone and find out his role.

That's pretty much what the whole 'Murska - Wolf' thing is based on. I always talk to people, I find out their roles, if I'm on a team that's opposed to them that means trouble.

Hm. So you're saying you've been talking to a number of people out of the thread, and one of them happened to both be the daybaner and be convinced by you that you're not a wolf. Sounds very tenuous. I'm going with Occam's razor, counting the simplest solution as best, and you, sir, as a wolf.

Haley, Belkar, wherever you are, please consider him as a prime target for voiding or sniping.

[Guancyto]

Ahh, what a target-rich environment this is.

The trouble will be telling intentional disruption from good honest never ever trusting Murska ever.

[Jontom Xire]

Paddyfool. If you haven't understood it yet... You do not have to be seer to talk to someone and find out his role.

That's pretty much what the whole 'Murska - Wolf' thing is based on. I always talk to people, I find out their roles, if I'm on a team that's opposed to them that means trouble.

And I have trouble believing that, after all the games that have gone before, ANYONE could be stupid enough to tell you their role.

It's a fairly dumb thing to do at the best of times. I only did it in Sharn because in that game you have to extend some trust to make any progress at all. And I still didn't tell you my full role. Just enough to get me killed.

---

Announcement to everyone. DO NOT TELL YOUR ROLE TO OTHER PEOPLE UNLESS THE NARRATOR HAS TOLD YOU THEY CAN BE TRUSTED or you're pulling off acomplicated in-game gambit.

I've seen it ruin games over and over again. You chat to someone on MSN (or in person) and because it's MSN it feels like it's outside the game so it's ok to chat about the games a bit and then the person you're talking to is so nice and friendly and, well, trustworthy, and before you know it you're telling them your role (I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours) and then the game is ruined for everyone, especially if the person you're talking to is Alarra or Shadow or Murska!!

After one game a few years ago the wolf who found out several key roles admitted that he discovered them while driving to a convention/meet with some other OOTSers. Others have voluntarily shared roles with boyfriends/girlfriends and in games with recruitment have asked to arrange to be recruited (which is cheating).

DON'T DO IT!!

---

Addendum: When I say the narrator has told you "they can be trusted" what I mean is:

1) The fool is dead and you're the seer and there is no disguiser role, no recruitment, and you've scried them.

2) Your role PM says you're a mason/wolf and the others in your team are...

3) No, there is no three.

In some circumstances, if someone is baned from a night kill and the narrator says they have so been baned and the rules do not allow for wolves to attack each other then that person can be trusted. If the rules make it very likely that wolves would not attack each other then that person can very likely (BUT NOT DEFINITELY) be trusted.

Do not judge if people can be trusted by judging their personality, but by what happens in game and never ever trust them completely unless 1) or 2) applies.

---

Lastly, and just to be complete, telling your role to someone can be game winning or game losing. If the good guy roles managed to correctly find and trust each other it would be game winning. If they got it wrong it would be game losing. You might as well flip a coin to see who wins though, and there's no skill or fun in playing games like that.

[Murska]

Lastly, and just to be complete, telling your role to someone can be game winning or game losing. If the good guy roles managed to correctly find and trust each other it would be game winning. If they got it wrong it would be game losing. You might as well flip a coin to see who wins though, and there's no skill or fun in playing games like that.

I have to make a point here...

I'll often tell my role around in situations where I don't know someone else is on my side for sure and it happens the other way around too. It sometimes works out and sometimes doesn't. I never TRUST people unless I have a definite reason to, but I do share my role, depending on the role itself and it's importance.

Why do I do it? Because I find playing the game much more fun when I'm connected, or taking risks. I'll get a feel of the person based on his actions in thread and in the, say, MSN conversation, if I get the feeling he might be on my side I'll take a risk. I sometimes lie, usually speak the truth just so they can't be sure. Same with implying your role or just saying 'a villager powerrole' etc. I tend to lie every once in a while to keep people on their toes but I usually am rather truthful in it simply because that encourages cooperation later aswell.

So, it gives me possibilities. One, I might find a teammate, link up, and be connected, giving me someone to discuss the game with. It's fun.

Two, I might find and/or suspect someone of being on the opposite team from mine, giving me a target and some evidence that isn't completely baseless.

Three, I might gain nothing and lose nothing.

Or four, I might get killed.

Then there's the possibilities of, say, being a mason, linking up with someone I suspect and keeping a close eye on his responses. If I die, it's a mason lost for an almost certain wolf, which is a good trade. If I don't, I won't actually leak him anything and I'll keep a close eye on him, possibly dispelling or maybe increasing my suspicions.

The game can be played by roles only, but I like to bring in the player's touch not only in the way you use the action you have but also in the part of the game which consists of player-to-player relations and discussions.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Night ends, update soon.

[Vwulf DeMarcus]

Murska and two other people were ranging through the streets after most of the rest of the town had gone to bed. They were pursuing a person name Trixie.
"She went that way!" said Murska.
"No, she went this way!" said one of the other two people. They finally cornered Trixie in a dead-end alley. *violence* Murska and the two other people, after murdering Trixie, split up to go to their respective houses. Murska, walking through an alley, heard a voice, talking to him.
"Murska, you will die tomorrow if I miss this shot."
"Huh? Who's there?"
*twang* THUNK!
"Uuughhhhh...
"Bullseye." said Haley, from a nearby roof, as she walked away.

Summary:

Trixie was killed. She was an Azurite(villager).
Murska was sniped. He was Nale, the Alpha Wolf.


Day 3 begins and ends in 48 hours.

[Opeth_Freak]

HAH! TOLD YA! :smallbiggrin:

and I'll point at Geesi, for pointing at me yesterday, and for trying to save Murska :smallamused:

[Lord Herman]

Good work, Haley!

Now for our next victim... Jontom Xire. That latest post of him is clearly a ruse, contradicting Murska so we think he's not on the same team. But he is. Because he's a wolf.

[paddyfool]

Good call. I'd like to flag up Kyouhen as a tad suspicious too... but surely the wolves couldn't be quite so obvious?

[Fleeing Coward]

I personally don't think Kyouhen would be this obvious as a wolf.
Despite the fact that Murska did turn out to be a wolf, I agree with Kyouhen that sniping Murska during the night was a bad idea in general since she could potentially have gifted the wolves with a free power role death had he actually been telling the truth.

[Fin]

Kyouhen said...


Ok, so then. I would appreciate it if the Seer would scry me tonight. It would be a very good idea to do so and the wolves know who I am anyway, so I'll be more than happy to act as a proxy.

So I said...


How could you possibly know what the wolves know? I am going to vote for you tomorrow because of this statement.

There are only two ways you could know they know what you are:

1. They have contacted you after scrying you and told you as much, in which case tell us who contacted you and we can lynch them.

2. Your a wolf.

So I am pointing at Kyouhen

[Trixie]

What, I was too close for comfort for someone? :smallamused:

Anyway, good game guys - two villagers for an Alpha, that is, the man behind team evil - not a bad tally, after all, given all muddying and lies that tried to prevent it. A pity I wasn't baned, though, since it was pretty obvious outcome.

And that's why you shouldn't lynch new guys during first day and always listen to me over Murska, incidentally :smallbiggrin:

[Jontom Xire]

I can't believe Murska was a wolf AGAIN!

Seriously - in another game Shadow was saying how the Murska constant was made mostly in jest - for fun - but almost every game he's been in recently he's been a bad guy.

And I agree that it was a bad idea to snipe him. Ok so it turned out well, but it was still a bad idea. We could have lynched Murska again today and again tomorrow and then he'd be dead but without the risk of losing a power role.

Of course it's possible that the seer scried Haley and so knew Murska was lying and so sniping him in that situation would be a good idea.

Also, I found Kyouhen asking to be scried suspicious, especially after someone else already did that and got told it was a bad idea. However, that said, there is no disguiser role (unless the narrators have added secret hidden roles which I hate in games like this), so it would only get him lynched or ignored if he was a wolf.


I'm also feeling confused. Paddyfool said "We can discount the possibility that he's someone other than Roy or an LG for the reasons given by Jontom Xire", to which Murska responded "In fact we can not." Really? I cannot see how Murska could possibly expect to be believed with this line. It's blatantly not true unless Murska managed to fool Roy into baning him which is next to impossible.

Anyway I need to think about who I point at. I'd like a little more thought put into it than just "Kyouhen objected to Haley sniping Murska".

It'll be fitting irony if Kyouhen does turn out to be linear guild. And you may freely lynch me as not contributing anything useful to this game.

[Reinholdt]

I can't believe Murska was a wolf AGAIN!

Seriously - in another game Shadow was saying how the Murska constant was made mostly in jest - for fun - but almost every game he's been in recently he's been a bad guy.
*sigh* Yeah. I know.
I made the constant not in jest. But cause at the time it was true! I see it's resurging.

He's always a wolf when I don't think he is too. :smallannoyed:

[Fin]

Anyway I need to think about who I point at. I'd like a little more thought put into it than just "Kyouhen objected to Haley sniping Murska".

If it makes you feel any better that is not the reason I am pointing at him. I am pointing at him because he has made baseless claims about what the wolves do and do not now that he can't possibly substantiate.

[Murska]

What's with constantly getting nightkilled as a wolf. >>

I'm supposed to worry about lynches, not massive hordes of enemy powerroles seeking to nightkill me, when I'm a wolf.

[Kyouhen]

Wow, so not only was he actually a wolf, but he was Nale too. :smalleek: I'm more than a little concerned about who the other wolves may be...

And how is it suspicious that I was asking for a scry? There's no disguisers and there's no scry interference. V can scry me and know exactly who I am without any problems. I was asking because we could use a proxy for the seer and I'm more than happy to fill that role.

Pointing at Fin. There's a 3rd way for the wolves to know who I am and I'm prepared to assume you left it out for a reason.

[Guancyto]

Huh. So I was dead flat wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

Guess he was being honest when he told me he wasn't worried about getting voided, though. Also, I don't think sniping him would've worked if he had been baned (maybe?), so it was less of a bad idea than one would think.

So, let's see, people Murska would choose to be a wolf. Let's go with Fleeing Coward.

[Supagoof]

I can't believe Murska was a wolf AGAIN!
*snip*Neither could this Narrator..... :smalltongue:

[Dirk Kris]

((I'll vote for Kyouhen.))
A tall, barefoot man walked the streets, sadly surveying the memorial set up for Trixie in the alley where she was slain.

[Shadowcaller]

I'm intrested to see Fleeing Cowards role...