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Mystic Muse
2009-08-22, 05:38 AM
can somebody explain what they do? everybody here is so much better at explaining these things than the rulebooks.:smallbiggrin:

plus you're also quicker.

Curmudgeon
2009-08-22, 05:48 AM
Domains do a couple of things for Clerics.
A granted power.
A list of spells.
The powers for both (or all) your domains work as stated, just for having those domains. The spells are a bit trickier. They give the Cleric 1 more spell of each level (assuming the Cleric can cast spells of that level), but that domain spell slot can only be filled with a domain spell. Mostly that means at each level you pick one of your two domain spells, and those are a separate, very limited second spells/day that you prepare.

Eldariel
2009-08-22, 05:54 AM
They're pretty much a Cleric-only thing. A Cleric chooses two Domains from the list his God offers (or if worshiping an ideal instead, any two; alignment domains must match character alignment).

He can then use the abilities offered by those domains (some are daily abilities, others give you class skills or such) and use his domain slot (the one marked with "plus" in every level you can cast) to prepare a spell from one of his domains.

The Domain-slot must always be filled by a Domain-spell and that's the only place in which you can prepare Domain-spells, so effectively you must choose which of the two spells offered by your domains you'll prepare for each level (or if to prepare a metamagicked version of lower level domain spell, of course).

Mystic Muse
2009-08-22, 06:13 AM
thanks. I was thinking of taking the deamon mind flaw next character I make but it sounds like it's not going to benefit me much since I don't plan on playing a cleric any time soon if ever.

Curmudgeon
2009-08-22, 06:43 AM
thanks. I was thinking of taking the deamon mind flaw next character I make but it sounds like it's not going to benefit me much since I don't plan on playing a cleric any time soon if ever.
What's this? I've never heard of it.

Mystic Muse
2009-08-22, 01:38 PM
sorry. deamon personality flaw not deamon mind. http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Deamon_personality_(3.5e_Flaw)

I was also thinking of making a character with this flaw http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Multiple_Personalities_(3.5e_Flaw) this flaw http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lalophobia_(3.5e_Flaw) and this flaw http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lalophobia_(3.5e_Flaw)

Curmudgeon
2009-08-22, 02:22 PM
sorry. deamon personality flaw not deamon mind. http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Deamon_personality_(3.5e_Flaw)

I was also thinking of making a character with this flaw http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Multiple_Personalities_(3.5e_Flaw) this flaw http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lalophobia_(3.5e_Flaw) and this flaw http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lalophobia_(3.5e_Flaw)
That didn't help very much. Every one of these came up with
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These look like homebrew things.

Kylarra
2009-08-22, 02:29 PM
First link (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Deamon_personality_%283.5e_Flaw%29)
Second link (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Multiple_Personalities_%283.5e_Flaw%29)
Third link (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lalophobia_%283.5e_Flaw%29)

The Glyphstone
2009-08-22, 02:46 PM
And this, people is why Friends don't let Friends use homebrew flaws....

Curmudgeon
2009-08-22, 03:14 PM
And this, people is why Friends don't let Friends use homebrew flaws....
Yeah. It's often a bit of verbal arm-wrestling to get DMs to accept flaws from Dragon magazine, which is (was) stamped "Your 100% Official Dungeons & Dragons Magazine" on every cover. Given that that's the only official source for flaws after the limited selection introduced in Unearthed Arcana, I really think you're pushing your luck with these homebrew concoctions.

Elfin
2009-08-22, 05:22 PM
Seriously.
Those aren't the worst of the homebrew flaws, though...one on that site is called "Music Lover", and forces you to make an easy will save every time you hear music...or be entranced for 1d4 rounds.

Sharkman1231
2009-08-22, 06:19 PM
Seriously.
Those aren't the worst of the homebrew flaws, though...one on that site is called "Music Lover", and forces you to make an easy will save every time you hear music...or be entranced for 1d4 rounds.

I think I posses that flaw ;-)

Steward
2009-08-22, 06:59 PM
Seriously.
Those aren't the worst of the homebrew flaws, though...one on that site is called "Music Lover", and forces you to make an easy will save every time you hear music...or be entranced for 1d4 rounds.

That's not a "flaw". That's a debilitating mental illness.

Mystic Muse
2009-08-22, 07:23 PM
so is multiple personalities which they have.

also fear of rabbits and fear of penguins.:smallbiggrin:

Milskidasith
2009-08-22, 08:03 PM
So with that Demon thing, if you get a high roll on your will save with a strong will save class... you automatically get to cast every spell in three domains as a SLA at will? That's about as far as I got before I said "Screw it, this makes no freaking sense!" A flaw should be something that is a negative for your character and have no way to negate it besides outright ignoring it, not something that may grant you three 9th level SLAs at will if you make a fairly easy save, especially considering you can actually get bonuses to this save with other flaws!

FMArthur
2009-08-22, 08:08 PM
You gain a bonus feat... for gaining more advantages than even a feat would have given you?

Milskidasith
2009-08-22, 08:11 PM
You gain a bonus feat... for gaining more advantages than any class besides a pure T1 caster would give you?

Fixed it for you; it's a roughly 10 roll on a will save (after taking one of the other flaws listed) to get the abilities and the same roll (after some confusing thing about having part of the demons face?) to permanently control it... so you permanently look like the demon but have it's SLAs and everything but some of their immunities/resistances.

If you make this save, you get 27 SLAs (three of each level, and domain specific) and three things that are about as good as bonus feats, at will.

Mystic Muse
2009-08-22, 08:31 PM
ah man! I like optimising my character but I'm not mean enough to do that to my DM.

does an extra feat for a split personality seem like a fair trade-off if the player can roleplay it well?

Milskidasith
2009-08-22, 08:32 PM
Even if it was an optimized campaign no DM would let you take such an incredibly badly worded and stupid "flaw" made by some random guy online.

Mystic Muse
2009-08-22, 08:32 PM
Even if it was an optimized campaign no DM would let you take such an incredibly badly worded and stupid "flaw" made by some random guy online.

apparently you have more faith in humanity than I do.

Curmudgeon
2009-08-22, 08:55 PM
does an extra feat for a split personality seem like a fair trade-off if the player can roleplay it well?
No, there's too much inherent variation in the worth of such a flaw (good roleplayers will make out; poor roleplayers will suffer).

To be reasonable, a flaw needs to consistently be a bit more of an impediment than the boost you'll get from having another feat.