Arena Tournament, Round 59: Kasia & Sarri vs Griff & Gorath

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Arena Tournament, Round 59: Kasia & Sarri vs. Griff Dull Eyes Oberwold & Gorath the Relentless

Map:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/NamelessOne_album/SinkingIsland.jpg



XP Award: 300 XP to each non-DQd member of winning team
GP Award: 300 GP to each non-DQd member of winning team

Kasia (http://www.dndonlinegames.com/view.php?id=79069) - Alcion
Sarri (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=6918) - 02youeng
Griff Dull eyes Oberwold (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=120319) - Ladorak
Gorath the Relentless (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=6988) - Corsair420


All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare any final purchases

Prior to the match start you may privately plan by spoiler or PM with your partner, but after the start any communications will need to be done in character inside the arena as rules allow.

[02youeng]

Good luck guys, may the best team win

Sarri

[roll0]

Also, can we use the link to my sheet that's in my sig? I moved my sheets over

Also, no purchases

[Alcion]

Indeed :3

Kasia

[roll0]

Bought one +1 bolt of monstrous humanoid bane for 166.1gp

[Corsair420]

Gorath Init: [roll0]

For griff: it's us two melee users vs two ranged, i would suggest we wait near the top till they get close so we can charge in and prevent them the ranged advantage

[Ladorak]

Griff Init: 1d20+1

For Gorath:
I agree, meet you at the top. It would be easier to double up on one if possible, lock them down. If not I'll go for Kasia since she has that bolt.

[Ladorak]

Sorry about that [roll0]

[02youeng]

Any other purchases guys?

[Ladorak]

I can't speak for Corsair, but none for me.

[Corsair420]

i'm too poor to afford things, so i'm good to go.

But I will say, I hope your a good shot with that bow, cause your only getting one shot to hit me with that fancy bolt, after that i'm going to run you through and wear you and your partners heads on my horns

[Ladorak]

Lol, don't worry guys, I'll make sure he returns them afterward... :smallwink:

[02youeng]

Sarri, turn 1

Actions:
How does starting work? I take up all 4 spaces when mounted...

Either, way, starting M1-N2, mounted on my horse, holding an unloaded crossbow in one hand, wearing all my armour, etc.

Standard action: disarm Kasia of her +1 bolt of monstrous humanoid bane. I'm assuming here she doesn't resist, and she has no melee weapon to make an AoO with [like the plan refs? They want her guts, not mine now]

Free actions: wield my light crossbow, and load the +1 bolt into it

Swift action: activate Law Devotion [+3 AC]

Move action: move to H7-I8

Turn done, next person go

Stats:
HP: 10/10
AC: 24 [18 FF, 20 Touch]

Law Devotion: 10/10 rounds remaining [+3 AC]

+1 Bolt of Monstrous Humanoid Bane: unused
20 bolts left

[Alcion]

How sweet you are, Corsair. I appreciate that.

Kasia

@ref-type-peoples & Sarri
I do not resist Sarri's disarm.

Not interrupting the game. Do continue ;P

[Corsair420]

@ref and Griff: move action: N25 to P20 if i can't move that far then please let me know the closest point i can reach directly south of P20, i want to have some of that wall as to obscure me from view

after a ref confirms my action my turn is done

[Sallera]

Corsair: Confirmed.

[Schism]

@Corsair:P-20 looks correct to me. When moving at an angle, the first diagonal is 5 feet, the second is 10, the third is 5, the fourth is 10, and so on.

Continue.

Edit: Ref-ninja'd.

[Corsair420]

that's what i thought about diagonal movement but i just wanted to be sure, my turn is over then

[Alcion]

Kasia

Actions:
Starting in M2 wielding my shortbow, wearing my armor and all that jazz
Swift action: activate Animal Devotion [flight]
Move action: fly 20ft up, 10ft forwards to M4/+20ft

Turn's not done yet, I's calling for LoS

Ref question:
If I've got LoS can you tell me how far away they are? Uneven ground and etc. has teh newb confused.

Stats:
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 10/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

One Moment:

@Kasia/Refs
Ok, does anyone out there have the rules for flying and maneuverability?

My obsolete 3.0 DMG says average maneuverability allows a max of 60° climb angle, and moving 20ft up and 10ft to a side comes out to a 63.4° angle, or too steep of a climb unless the flying rules have changed.

[Alcion]

@refs
Okies, I'll move to M3+20 instead then

x3

[Ladorak]

Griff

@refs
Griff starts with Large Spiked Chain in both hands. He hussles from M25 to I22

End turn

[Alcion]

Just so we're clear Ladorak, I'm not done with my turn yet . . . still need LoS.

Okies? Thanks :3

[Ladorak]

Oh apologises, I simply assumed.

[Psionic Dog]

@Kasia
M-3 +20 is an even stepper climb. :smalltongue:

As a general rule of thumb the maximum rate of climb with average manuverabity is about 5 squares vertically for every 3 squares horizontally, although gentler climbers are certainly possible too.

Perhaps you meant M-5 +20, although now that I think on it takes double movement to fly upwards, unless you have perfect maneuverability, so reaching +20 ft elevation would take at least a double move action.

Almost have enough information to make the LoS, please wait just a wee bit longer. :smallsmile:

[Alcion]

@refs
Okay! xD I'm pretty sure I get this now ^ ^;;

So! I'll be using a full round action to go to M5+20 ft then

fml

Okies, Griff, after line of sight my turn is over :3

[Mavian]

@Psidog

Movement in three dimensions (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/movement.htm#movingInThreeDimensions)

[madtinker]

@KasiaYour partner is in H7-I8, Griff is in the opposite team starting area, and you don't see gorath.

@SarriLoS with Kasia, no other LoS

@GorathLoS with Griff, no other LoS

@GriffYou see Kasia in M5 at +20 feet

[Ladorak]

Sorry for jumping down your throat like that:smallredface:

@Refs

Free action, speak: 'She's already airborn, 20 feet up.' (Do we need a Listen check for Gorath to hear? I can't think of what the RAW would be and I'm away from my books.)
Griff moves from M25 to J22 via straight diagonal. Need LoS check as to where Kasia loses LoS


Turn not over, need LoS check.

Stats:
HP: 14/14
AC: 15 (14 FF, 11 Touch)

[Lubirio]

LoS in reverse init order:

@Griff:
You and Kasia lose LoS as you enter L24 (the first diagonal square), you may revise your turn from that point.

@Kasia:
Griff starts in M25, you lose sight of him as he moves west.

@Gorath:
No LoS changes.

@Sarri:
No LoS changes.

[Alcion]

@refs&Sarri
I say "I lost sight Griff as he moved west towards the hills."

I'm just talking, not trying to interrupt anyone's turn :3

[Ladorak]

Thank you

@Gorath and Refs
Free action, speak: 'She's already airborn, 20 feet up.'

@Refs
Griff moves to J22

End turn

[02youeng]

Sarri, round 2

Actions:
Speech to Kasia
I'm moving west, around this cliff, you go the other side, and circle them from above

Move action: move to E17-F18
Standard action: ready the following action:

Move back the way I came if Griff or Gorath move within 20ft of me, or are pinpointed by a listen check within 20ft of me

[roll0]
[roll1]

Turn done, LoS would be lovely

Stats:
HP: 10/10
AC: 24 [18 FF, 20 Touch]

Law Devotion: 9/10 rounds remaining [+3 AC]

+1 Bolt of Monstrous Humanoid Bane: unused
20 bolts left

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

@refs
[roll0]
[roll1]
[roll2]
[roll3]

With the hill Sarri hears from GnG, nor is anything said by Sarri heard by GnG.

Kassia hears GnG speak to eachother and vise versa, but can't make out the words.

When I actualy started ploting LoS curves and calculating listen distances I realized that Kasia and gorath should have had los...

Then I realized that neither Kasia nor Gorath have acted yet nor have they spoken any invalid statements, so no rewind necessary.

Anyway, the terrain shape appears to prevent Sarri from seeing either of the GnG team.

LoS check (sorry for delay)

Sarri
No LoS.

Gorath
Actualy, you should have been able to see Kasia this whole time. However, since neither of you have acted after yet after gaining the previously unmentioned LoS no rewinds are necisary.

She's flying in M-5 at +20ft elevation. Kasia says a bunch of stuff you can't quite make out.

You also see Griff. No other LoS.

Kasia
Actualy you should have been able to see Gorath. He was/is in P-20.
However, since neither of you have acted since gaining the unmentioned LoS no rewinds are necessary.

Griff also says some stuff before leaving your line of sight, but you can't make out exactly what was said.

You see Sarri move around the corner and leave your LoS while riding south out of E-10/F-11.

No other LoS

Griff
You still see Gorath.

Before moving you heard Kasia says some stuff, but can't make out what was said.

No other LoS.
----------------------
About listen checks and speaking to your parner at a distance:

Officially they should have to make a listen check.
However, precedent has established that your partner will always hear you if you wish, so the refs instead adjust the listen DC such that your partner would have heard you on a '10' and use that adjusted DC to see if your opponents can also hear you.

You may still chose to 'speak normally' and force your partner to roll listen checks to hear you if you wish.


I believe Gorath is up next.

[Corsair420]

is ti my turn now? i'm kinda confuse don turn order

[Psionic Dog]

*checks Initiative Counts*

yep. Gorath seems to be up next.

The order is:

Sarri
Gorath
Kasia
Griff


Sarri just took his Round 2 turn, so Gorath would seem to be next up.

[Corsair420]

Refs: move action to U18, again i think thats as far as i can move, closest to it if I can't

done

[Alcion]

Kasia, round 2

Actions
Move Action: Move to M11+15ft

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 9/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

Not done quiite yet. Calling for LoS ;P

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

Have I mentioned how much I dislike doing LoS for 4 player matches? :smallsigh:

Kasia

You saw Gorath head east out of LoS.


Sarri

You saw Gorath pass through T19.


Griff

No LoS


Gorath

You could see Sarri in E17-F18 when you passed through T19.

[Alcion]

Kasia

Actions
Move Action: Move to M19+20ft

Tis +20 now cause the floor went down 5ft below me, just so we're all on the same page. I'd hate to be the cause of confusion x3

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 9/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

Turn done.

[Ladorak]

Griff

Actions
I'm going to post my full action here, assuming LoS is not an issue. If it is I'll revise my post from that point...

Shift to Mountain Rage, expanding to fill 22I-23J. Griff runs to 22F-23G (15), diagonally moving to 19C-20D (20), then up to 15C-16D (20), diagonally to 13E-14F (15), up to 8E-9F (25), then to 7F-8G (5), across to J7-K8 (20).


Not done, calling for LoS

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

Ref Notes
Wait, if Ms. Birdy is flapping at +20 above ground level, then that puts her at +30ft over 'ground standard'
*scribbles on graph paper*

Have I mentioned how much I dislike making LoS on variable hight maps like this one?



Sarri
You see Kasia come flying around the corner to M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there)

No other LoS

Gorath
You see Kasia come flying down the middle to M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there)

No other LoS

Kasia
Oh, 20ft above the ground. That puts would put you at +30ft ASES (Arena Standard Elevation System), which is measured from the common +0ft reference plane.

From M-19 you can see:
Sarrie in E17-F18,
Griff in J-22,
Gorath in U-18

Griff
You see Kasia come flying down the middle to M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there)

No other LoS.

Does that change your turn?

Question for Griff.

[Ladorak]

@Refs

Yes, instead Griff will move from 13E-14F to 18K-19L


Need LoS again :(

[madtinker]

Refs
I see no reason why Griff didn't see Sarri during his movement, and his new movement is impossible without squeazing past her, so we'll need a replay I believe.



Sarri
You see Kasia come flying around the corner to M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there)

Griff is in 13E-14F

Gorath
You see Kasia come flying down the middle to M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there)

No other LoS

Kasia
Oh, 20ft above the ground. That puts would put you at +30ft ASES (Arena Standard Elevation System), which is measured from the common +0ft reference plane.

From M-19 you can see:
Sarrie in E17-F18,
Griff in 13E-14F,
Gorath in U-18

Griff
You see Kasia come flying down the middle to M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there)

Sarri is in E17-F18. I don't see how your movement as revised would be possible, and anyway it would provoke an AoO. So pick up your turn from 13E 14F with LoS on Sarri.


Still Griff's turn.

[Psionic Dog]

@Refs
Griff didn't see Sarri because LoS was established with Kasai before he started his turn. He gains LoS with Sarri as soon as he enlarges.

His turn revision wasn't an indication that he moved that far before gaining LoS, but rather with his knowledge of Kasia he intended to keep to his turn as originally posted up to that point before changed paths. Only, as noted by madtinker, he doesn't make it that far before gaining new LoS and a second rewind.

@ Griff
Los with Kasia was established before your turn started.

LoS is established with Sarri as soon as you enlarge. You may revise the rest of your turn from that point 22I-23J where you enlarged if you wish.

[Ladorak]

Wow, this LoS stuff gets complicated huh?

@Refs

Free action speak to Gorath (As I understand the rules, everyone should be able to hear this but I thought I'd double check): She's in the middle, he's up here. Abort plan A.

@Refs, Sarri and Kasia
Actions: Griff uses Mountain Movement to climb 15 without penalty. He climbs 5 to the left and 10 up, moving to H20-I21

Climb roll (DC 10)

[roll0]

He then uses a disarm attack on Sarri

opposed attack roll: 9 (Attack mod) + 2 (Spiked chain) + 8 (Size mod) + 4 (Two handed weapon)

[roll1]




[/spoiler]

[Ladorak]

Forgot this bit...

Stats
HP 14/14
Temp HP: 4/4
AC: 15
Rage: 13/13

[Corsair420]

Griff:
dude i don't know exactly what you just did but i think that i'm glad your on my team if you rolled a 43 at lvl 1 lol

nothing important just a comment on his action

[02youeng]

Sarri

Kasia, Griff:
Something that wasn't mentioned in my spoilers, so I'll assume in yours too - I have an action readied, that I can take before you move [trigger was seeing you or Gorath within 20ft of me, which is fulfilled before you start climbing.] Does that change your turn, Griff?

[Ladorak]

@Sarri

Depends on the action I suppose... As I understand it readied actions act at higher intiative then the trigger (IE, you go before me) and therefore you'd take your action before I move at all.

I think I have this right. If so feel free to post your action and I'll revise from there.

[02youeng]

Sarri

Griff:
Sarri rides back down the slope, leaving LoS as he leaves E9-F10

Refs:
Sarri finishes his move in H7-I8

Readied action taken, my Init is changed to 2.1, order is now:

Gorath
Kasia
Sarri
Griff

Griff, your turn I guess

[Ladorak]

Shouting for all to hear: He's over here, she's in the center, 30 feet up. Abort Plan A

@refs

This is ironic huh? I'm going back to my original move (Pending any LoS of course)

Griff runs to 22F-23G (15), diagonally moving to 19C-20D (20), then up to 15C-16D (20), diagonally to 13E-14F (15), up to 8E-9F (25), then to 7F-8G (5), across to J7-K8 (20).

Need LoS before end turn.

Stats
HP 14/14
Temp HP: 4/4
AC: 15
Rage: 13/13

[madtinker]

@Ladorakas you come around the corner in E10 F11 you see Sarri in H7 I8. You may revise your movement from there.

Still Ladorak's turn.

[Ladorak]

Thanks Tink

@Refs and Sarri

Griff moves to F7-G8

end turn

Stats
HP 14/14
Temp HP: 4/4
AC: 15
Rage: 13/13

[Corsair420]

Ref and LoS:Move action from U18 to P19 and take a look around
Spot: [roll0]
Listen: [roll1]

Not done need LoS

[02youeng]

Refs and Griff:
How do you have so much movement? Your sheet lists your speed as 30, which seems very incorrect at the moment.

[Mavian]

High Ref Mav:

Hold up a second we need a bit of a rewind
@Refs and Griff

You can only run in a straight line, that means you can't take the path you did, which means your move is invalid.

[Ladorak]

@Refs and 02youeng

Sorry, my bad, I looked up Run under tactical movement rather than rules under full round actions. I thought I could only run in a staright line but didn't say so in the RAW, but obviously only because I was looking up the wrong RAW.

@Refs and Kasia
Sorry for the confusion. In this case Griff will climb [roll0] and then move to 18K-19L

[Ladorak]

Oh... End turn

Stats
HP 14/14
Temp HP: 4/4
AC: 15
Rage: 13/13

[02youeng]

Griff:
No worries, it happens. Needed about 3 High Refs when I started using the flying rules on Farkis...

Hehe, and sorry about Plan A

So...Gorath's turn.

[Corsair420]

Ref and LoS: Move action from U18 to P19 and take a look around
Spot: [roll0]
Listen: [roll1]


Need Los before i finish

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

Gorath
You see the following at the start of your turn:
Kasia flying south in M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there)
Griff standing in 18K-19L.

You see the same at the end of your turn.
No LoS to Sarri.

Kasia
You see Gorath move to P-19, and watch as Griff enlarges and move up to K18-L19.

You see Sarri move north arround the hill breaking LoS when Griff first enlarges.

Sarri
No LoS

Griff
You see Kasia flying south in M-19 at +30ft elevation (20ft above the ground there).
You also see Gorath move to P-19.
No LoS to Sarri

[Corsair420]

ok, i'll end my turn for now

[Alcion]

Kasia, round 3

Shouts for all to hear: Griff is at the eastern most point on the lower level of cliffs near you and Gorath is directly across from him on the ground behind the eastern cliffs

Actions
@ Griff and Gorath
Full Round Action: Withdraw to L10 [provoking no AoO's from Griff]

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 8/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

That ends my turn

[Ladorak]

@Refs and Kasia, Gorath

After my earlier mix up I'm a bit reluctant about calling this but wouldn't I still get an AoO as Kasia moves through the additional squares within Griff's 20' reach? I thought Withdraw only let you avoid the inital AoO from moving off the first square. Could be wrong, I'm in work right now... Will look it up laters

[Alcion]

@Griff and Gorath
Oh wow . . . don't be reluctant, I think you're right too, now that I look at it again ^^; If it is as we both seem to think it theen I shall make a tumble check to try to avoid AoO and keep the withdraw action

[roll0]

And I'd move four less spaces to L13+15ft

. . . Okay? xD

[02youeng]

So...can I go?

[Ladorak]

@Refs, Gorath and Kasia

Ow, bad luck there Kasia.

Ok, AoO as Kasia enters M18

Disarm attempt

Opposed attack roll: opposed attack roll: 8 (Attack mod) + 2 (Spiked chain) + 4 (Size mod) + 4 (Two handed weapon)

[roll0]



Sorry 02youeng, not quite yet

[Alcion]

@Griff and Gorath
I'm gonna skip the whole process of rolling seeing as my modifier for it is -5 and I can't possibly beat you. Consider me extremely disarmed.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but 02youeng can go now x3

[02youeng]

Sarri, round 3

Actions [part 1]:
Free action: shift Law Devotion to attack
Move action: Move to E17-F18

Turn not done, need LoS

Stats:
HP: 10/10
AC: 21 [15 FF, 17 Touch]

Law Devotion: 8/10 rounds remaining [+3 Attack]

+1 Bolt of Monstrous Humanoid Bane: unused
20 bolts left

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

Gorath
You see Kasia make a tight turn and fly north to L13.
Griff disarmed her short bow over M-20.

Griff is still in K18-L-19

Kasia
You still see Griff and Gorath.
Griff is still in K18-L19, and Gorath is in P-19

Sarri
You see an enlarged Griff welding a Spiked chain standing in K18-L19.

No other LoS

Griff
You see everyone.

Kasia can't actually make a zero-point turn, so the true point of disarmament would have been over M-20. You disarmed a short-bow. She is now flying north in L-13 +30 ft (15 ft above the ground).

Gorath is still in P-19.

Sarri has appeared in E-17/G-18. (In case this wasn't said earlier Sarri is mounted on a horse and is carrying a crossbow.)

[Ladorak]

@Refs, Gorath, Kasia

fall damage for shortbow [roll0]

Not actually interupting Sarri's turn, please continue. (Actually please don't continue and surrender instead :smallwink:)

[02youeng]

Sarri, turn 3 [part]

Actions:
This is why I freaked out when you disarmed me...I have thet bolt of death, not Kasia. I disarmed her of it on her first turn. And, I place you 25ft away, so, down to business...

Actions:

Standard action: shoot Griff with the +1 bolt of monstrous humanoid bane

[roll0] [+6 dex, +1 size, +3 bane, +3 Law Devotion, +1 Point-Blank Shot]

[roll1] [1d6 crossbow, 1d6 skirmish, 2d6+3 bane, +1 Point-Blank Shot]

Free action: pray that was enough, whilst reloading

Turn done

Stats:
HP: 10/10
AC: 21 [15 FF, 17 Touch]

Law Devotion: 8/10 rounds remaining [+3 Attack]

+1 Bolt of Monstrous Humanoid Bane: used
20 bolts left

[Ladorak]

@Sarri

You sneaky buggers! Very clever actually. People only see what they expect to see, good psychology. I didn't actually notice until yesterday that it was a bolt and even then the sum total of my reaction was “Huh, she must have meant arrow. I'll mention it when she tries to use it. Let her squirm a bit then let her swap it out.” Incidental... Oww! 18 damage hurts a lot!

@... Well, everyone actually.

Griff takes a bolt in the back and is dropped to zero HP.

Free action: Speak 'Pick up that bow Minotaur, it shall be key to our victory. If you don't hear from me again, I'm out.'

Standard action: Griff moves left from K18-L19 to...

@Refs, Sarri and Kasia

G18-H19 as part of a charge. (Can be taken as standard action if you're limited to one action

[Ladorak]

@Refs, Sarri and Kasia

attack roll:
[roll0]
damage roll:
[roll1]
Griff drops to -1 HP, and is out

[Ladorak]

Forgot this again...

End turn

[Corsair420]

I am totally lost as to what is happening, Can I get an Los please?

[Lubirio]

@Gorath:
After Griff moves out of sight, you have no LoS beyond the bow lying in M20, and Kasia still in L13, disarmend.

[Corsair420]

@ref and LoS move to M20 and pick up the bow and continue to L20

@ref: does the bow come with any arrows

i'm done

[02youeng]

Me and Griff are both down for the count, and slowly bleeding to death. Just so's you know.

For when the refs next look into this game - am I now allowed to LoS for it? I've got the game bookmarked, and check it a few times a day. Would speed things up.

For Griff:
Hehe, why thank you. And, congrats on your counter-attack, was hoping you'd miss, hehe. Guess you took your revenge. Does Gorath know there's no arrows with the bow?

Kasia's turn is up

[hustlertwo]

I can't see why you couldn't do LoS for it. I did for my round 59 match after I was out.

[Alcion]

Actions
Move Action: Move to G18 [Yah, I've landed now]
Move Action: Take out Cure Light Wounds potion

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 7/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

Sorry, you can not provide LoS to matches one of your characters was entered in. We don't need accusations of partiality toward teammates, and it makes things awkward if an illegal action rewind or a healing latter brings you back into the game.

Rewind to start of Kasia's turn

Kasia
You started your turn flying north in L-13. Flying to G-18 from there with average maneuverability would require 55 ft of movement. I believe you have a fly speed of 40ft, so you can't do that as a single move action.
Link to flying rules. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/movement.htm#movingInThreeDimensions)


LoS
Upon further review comparing vertical elevations it appears you would have seen everything.

Sarri was in K18-L19, where he shot Griff with the crossbow.
Griff is disabled, but still charges to G18-H19 where he smacked Sarri into unconsciousness before falling over himself from the exertion.

Gorath moves to M20, borrows up your bow, and moves on to L20.

Gorath
You just found the bow. The arrows are still with Kasia, who is flying in north in L13

[Ladorak]

Me and Gorath are both down for the count, and slowly bleeding to death. Just so's you know.


You mean Griff I think. But then again I expect Gorath can work that one out for himself...

@Sarri
Thanks. Although in retrospect maybe I should have finished off Kasia instead... Her flying proves a bigger threat to Gorath then your high AC. But having said that...Yeah, I wanted the guy who took me out... Lol
Good game sir. I like your team btw, very effective.

[02youeng]

That's fair enough PsiDog, no worries

Griff:
Eh, close enough with the names. And thank you - I like your build, very similar to how my Farkis plays. Not played an opponent worth disarming yet, though.

...saying that, I've never won a game by a normal melee attack with him. Once by grappling, once by forfiet, and once by a bull rush.

[Corsair420]

lol i was like wait wtf when did i get attacked? also this is a hectic and crazy match, i'm not sure what going on, is it my turn or still kasia?

[Ladorak]

Yeah there's been a few rewinds, I would complain but most of them involve me (And one is obviously entirely my fault.):smallredface:

It's not your turn, Kasia needs to redo something. Then it's you... As 02youeng said, me and Sarri are down for the count...
You saw Griff take a bolt in the back, disappear west, and then kasia did as well.

[Corsair420]

@ refs and LoS shoulder bow(ripper still in other hand) and move to G21

i'm done

[Alcion]

We were rewinding to my turn, right? If so, here it is. . .

Sorry guys >w<

Action
Full Round Action: Move to G18 [landing]

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 7/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

[Corsair420]

Ref & LoS: pull out my grapple and rope and toss it up to the ledge at L19
Use Rope: [roll0]
And then a climb check if my hook is secured and it's knotted rope
Climb knotted rope: [roll1]

Not done need a ref check

[Corsair420]

Ref and LoS:use rope failed by 4 so it didn't secure and fell so i'm gonna try again
Use Rope: [roll0]

Am I allowed to make a climb check now or is that 2nd try considered a 2nd action taking up my turn?

[hustlertwo]

Corsair

Throwing a grappling hook is a standard action, so you can't do it twice in one turn.

[Corsair420]

hustler
Secure a Grappling Hook

Securing a grappling hook requires a Use Rope check (DC 10, +2 for every 10 feet of distance the grappling hook is thrown, to a maximum DC of 20 at 50 feet). Failure by 4 or less indicates that the hook fails to catch and falls, allowing you to try again. Failure by 5 or more indicates that the grappling hook initially holds, but comes loose after 1d4 rounds of supporting weight. This check is made secretly, so that you don’t know whether the rope will hold your weight.

Failure of 4 or less lets me try again and it doesn't specify the next round so by my understanding it lets me try again in place of my move action that i won't be using

[hustlertwo]

Corsair From the Actions section of the Use Rope skill part in the SRD: "Throwing a grappling hook is a standard action that provokes an attack of opportunity." Can't have two standards in a turn.

[Sallera]

Corsair:
Throwing a grappling hook is a standard action that provokes an attack of opportunity.Failing "[allows] you to try again" because the grappling hook is back in your hands, rather than stuck to the cliff somewhere. There is no mention of a change in the action required to secure the hook, and thus it does not change.

[Corsair420]

Hustler: ok thats fine i didn't know, i'll try again next round then

i'm done now

[hustlertwo]

No problem, Corsair.

[02youeng]

While I'm waiting for Kasia...

[roll0] - 10, and I stop bleeding, anything else, I go to -6HP

[Alcion]

Sorry this took so long. I've been quite distracted the past couple days ><

Actions
Move Action: draw Cure Light Wounds Potion
Move Action: draw Cure Light Wounds potion

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 7/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

Le done

[hustlertwo]

Kasia

I believe you were already holding a cure potion from a previous turn.

[Corsair420]

Refs and LoS i'll try throwing my grapple again
Use Rope: [roll0]

Climb if successful [roll1]


oh i'm done now

[Alcion]

Hustler
Mm, nope. I had to redo my turn and I used a full round action to fly to Sarri's body.

Actions
Take a 5-foot step to G19
Full Round Action: Force one Cure Light Wounds potion down Sarri's throat

[roll0]

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 6/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

Done

[Ladorak]

Quick thought...

Since 02youeng and myself are effectively out of the game, could we not check LoS etc between us, there'd be no bias after all, although it still leaves the problem of one of us coming back into the game.

[Corsair420]

Waiting on LoS

Griff: I don't think he knows i'm right behind them, this could get interesting

[02youeng]

I already asked that Griff, Kyeudo said no

[Psionic Dog]

High Ref PsiDog

@Refs
I'm inclined to say G-18 is 15 ft elevation, and K-19 is 20ft elevation.
Gorath has a speed of 30 ft, so 30/4 round down is 5 ft of climbing putting him at +5ft into the air. Given the geomety and elevation differences the gladators can't quite see eachother.


Kasia
You see a grappling hook latch on at K/L-19

No other LoS

Gorath
The grappling hook is a success. You are now 30ft/4 round down... 5 ft up the 10ft cliff.

[Corsair420]

Ref and LoS: Dammit I meant to use accelerated climbing but i got irritated that I missed the first use rope

Accelerated climb:[roll0] (DC = 0 to climb knotted rope with wall to brace against)

And when I get up i'll make a spot check around me

Spot: [roll1]

I'm done but we need an LoS

[Ladorak]

I already asked that Griff, Kyeudo said no

I know, that's what gave me the idea. What I meant was we could ref by committee. (Well, not committee, there's only two of us.)
By communicating with each other by PM we could reach unbiased decisions. I realise this idea probably isn't going to fly, but the temptation to look at what's going on now I'm out is killing me :smallwink:

[madtinker]

@GorathYou see Kasia in G19 with Sarri, who is unconcious.
@KasiaGorath just mounted the cliff in K19.

[Alcion]

Actions
Take a 5-foot step to G18
Full Round Action: Force one Cure Light Wounds potion down Sarri's throat -again

[roll0]

Stats
HP 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 12 Touch: 15

Animal Devotion: 5/10 remaining
Indigo Strike: Unused
Essentia: 1/1

Done

[Alcion]

@Sarri
I just healed you for a grand total of 10 over two turns. Gorath's in K19. FYI

[02youeng]

Sarri, round 5

Just to fill you in Gorath - Kasia has fed me two healing potions, putting me back in the positives. Which makes it my go.

Actions:

Attempt a fast mount onto my mount in E17-F18, DC 20 Ride test

[roll0]

Rest of turn coming...

[Corsair420]

pretty sure it takes a move action to get up from prone, which means you might be able to mount but you won't be able to move

[02youeng]

Ok, so normal mounting it is. That's my move action taken.

Free action: 5ft step to F18-G19
Free action: move Law Devotion to AC
Standard action: Shoot Gorath!

[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]

Free action: reload crossbow

Turn done

Stats:
HP: 4/10
AC: 24 [18 FF, 20 Touch]

Law Devotion: 5/10 rounds remaining [+3 AC]

+1 Bolt of Monstrous Humanoid Bane: used
19 bolts left

[Corsair420]

that would be 3 move actions, 1 for prone 1 to mount 1 to move, you can't do 3, we need a ref here

[02youeng]

The 5ft step is free, but you're right, I can't mount. Forgot I was prone, heh.

Alright then, I stand up, don't take the 5ft step, then shoot you for 4 damage.

That puts me in F18

[Corsair420]

does the game just assume you didn't drop your weapon when you went KO? as in you would need to pick it up first? not trying to nitpick just trying to understand all the rules

[02youeng]

No worries, let's wait for a ref to say what's what.

[Lubirio]

In the description of dying it says you fall unconscious, there it refers you to helpless, none of which specifically say anything is dropped. I may very well be wrong though...

[Mavian]

The only condition that causes you to drop what you are holding according to raw is Stunned.

[Corsair420]

Full round action: Charge Kasia

Attack with Ripper: [roll0]
Crit Confrirm: [roll1]
Dmg: [roll2]

[02youeng]

That's my team mate cut in two, I believe.

Sarri, round 6

Attempt a fast mount onto my horsie [DC 20, rest of turn coming after my roll]

[roll0]

[02youeng]

Dammit, only 1 off. I wanna run away from your big pointy spear...

Move action: mount my light warhorse[E17-F18]
Move action: run away! I leave LoS at E14-F15
Finish my movement at E9-F10

Turn done

Stats:
HP: 4/10
AC: 24 [18 FF, 20 Touch]

Law Devotion: 4/10 rounds remaining [+3 AC]

+1 Bolt of Monstrous Humanoid Bane: used
19 bolts left

[Corsair420]

just to clarfiy your action here, it says that you can attempt to fast mount if you have a move action, which you did, but if you fail it doesn't count as a move action for having attempted a fast mount?

[02youeng]

You can attempt to mount or dismount ... as a free action, provided that you still have a move action available that round. If you fail the Ride check, mounting or dismounting is a move action.

It's a free action if you pass the test, a move action if you fail. Says nothing about wasting the move action if you fail.

[Corsair420]

ok thats what i thought, just making sure

Ref and Los
move action H19 to F14

Done

[madtinker]

@Refsonly two left standing, yeah?

@ Corsair and 02: LoS established (unless someone besides 02 and corsair are alive):LoS established; 02 is in E9-F10 and Corsair is in F14

[Corsair420]

Free action to speak: "I'm gonna gut you and eat that horse!"

[02youeng]

Right...let's see if I can end this now

Sarri, round 7

Actions:

Standard action: Fire!

[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]

Then...
Move action: Handle Animal, ordering my horse to charge, and attack you [DC10 Handle Animal check]

[roll4]

If this fails...then I stand still, and wait to be impaled, hehe. Will post result after seeing the roll

[02youeng]

Yay, horsie wants to kick your face off. Good horsie

[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]

Turn done

Stats:
HP: 4/10
AC: 22 [16 FF, 22 Touch]

Law Devotion: 3/10 rounds remaining [+3 AC]

+1 Bolt of Monstrous Humanoid Bane: used
18 bolts left

[02youeng]

So...you on 2HP, me on 4HP?

[Corsair420]

having a horse attack is a dc 20 HA check

and i don't see how ur horse has a +6 attack

[Corsair420]

just to push ti forward i'm gonna do both charge and normal attack then wait for a ref ruling

Charge: [roll0]
Crit: [roll1]
Dmg: [roll2]

And normal melee

Attack:[roll3]
Crit: [roll4]
Dmg: [roll5]

[02youeng]

Having a horse attack is a DC20 check. I have a Warhorse - trained for combat. To make him use one of his tricks [like "attack"] is a DC10 Handle Animal check. If you check the Light Warhorse entry on the SRD, you'll see he has +4 to hit. Charging makes that +6.

Two, you only get one attack on a charge

[Corsair420]

where are the rules for combat training I was looking but couldn't find them, either way was a good fight but either attack kills you

also your sheet says light horse not light warhorse

[02youeng]

-75g Light Horse [then trained for Combat Riding]

Also...you can't charge. I'm already in contact with you. Your whole turn in invalid.

[Corsair420]

thats why i'm asking for a ref ruling i did both a charge in case i was right and a normal melee incase you were right as to speed things up after a ref makes a ruling

also

-75g Light Horse [then trained for Combat Riding]

thats not a war horse

[02youeng]

Ah, fair doos. Thought you were making two attack on a charge.

[Corsair420]

lol, we just need to get a ref in here :-p s/he will sort it all out

[Ladorak]

where are the rules for combat training I was looking but couldn't find them, either way was a good fight but either attack kills you

also your sheet says light horse not light warhorse

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/handleAnimal.htm

[Corsair420]

I had meant what it does not how to do it, that doesn't have anything below a DC 15 check so i have no clue how he got a DC 10 check

[Mavian]

Quick question... Corsair has to move to do his attack no? If so, wouldn't the horse get an AoO for him moving out of the square?

[Corsair420]

i still don't see his basis with his horse and the DC i've found no info to go along with his dc 10 check to charge me with his horse

[Mavian]

If you follow the link posted above, you'll see a chart posted on the side, with relevant DC's. The DC to get an animal to preform a trick it knows is 10.

[Corsair420]

ok, wow, i looked that up and down all day yesterday and never saw that one...

and i don't think he would since he would have to occupy the same square as his horse if he's riding it

[Mavian]

Ah, I wasn't sure if he was mounted or not.

High Ref Mav:

Gorath and Griff gets the win and the loot.

[Corsair420]

me and griff you mean? this was 2v2

[Mavian]

Bah, I don't have time to check these kind of things... :smallredface: