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oxinabox
2009-08-26, 08:25 AM
So i want to build tyhe ultimate soulbow type archer fellah.
Level 8 (cos that's where i like to build,)

How 'bout the power to kill a yak, from 200 yards away...
with mind bullets!

SO How to do it.
I want fighter/psywarrior/human/soulbow bonus feats
So i can stack on Precise Shot, rapid shot, point blank shot, Farshot.
and with a Fighter lvl i can stack on weapon specialization Mindblade(==mindBow)


My original thoughts were:
elf
Ranger 2/Soulblade 2/fighter 1/soulbow 3
But that's not that great.

Next was
Elan
fighter1/psywarrior 2/ soulblade 2/soulbow 3
But while that has psionic powers, it doesn't get BaBN +6 before lvl 9.
wich cuts out Manyshot, and Woodland archer (which I'm going to assume is a valid soulbow bonus feat, for purpose of this discussion).

on that note what's better: manyshot or Woodland archer (RoW 154 IIRC)|
Does Mayshot stack with rapid shot?

so looking at:
Ranger 2/soulblade 1/fighter 1/ soulblade 1/soulbow 3
mmmh sweet sweet skill points.
But then theres "Must wear light armour, or all your many m,any archer feats go to heck" and well Mithral full plate is a nice thing to have, with 18 dex you can add +3 (out of +4) to your AC, M. Plate is handy.

so I was thinking
Soulblade 1/ Xn 1/ Fighter 2/soulblade 1/soulbow 3.
where Xn is either Warblade, or Paladin (or really anything with BaB progression Good)
i'm taking that cos well fighter 3 is a dead level, only worth having if you plan to continue being a fighter.

amnd I nee dmy last pre soulbow lvl to be soul knife so i can ramp my autohyposise up to 8 ranks to qualify (without wasting point bycross classing)

Kylarra
2009-08-26, 08:38 AM
Weapon specialization isn't a great feat, and you'd need 4 levels of fighter to pull it off.

So you've really got no slots for psychic warrior

So you'll want:
SoulKnife 1/Fighter 4/Soulknife +1/Soulbow 2

As long as you have a 0 or positive int modifier, you'll have enough ranks to grab the 8 in autohypnosis that you want. 4 at start and 4 at level 6.

Take the rest of the feats wherever. Soulknife 1 is first so you can get weapon focus (mindblade) for free and thus don't need to burn a fighter feat on it to specialize.

RagnaroksChosen
2009-08-26, 09:27 AM
Do you have access to eberron materials theres a ton of soulknife/mindbow related feats in races of eberron.

Specificaly with kalastar

Cieyrin
2009-08-26, 09:59 AM
I'd personally as a Soulbow go for Mind Cleave (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Cleave,CoP) and Mind Empowerment (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Empowerment,CoP), as well as maybe Mind Strike, Swift (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Strike^_Swift,CoP), along with Psionic Shot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#psionicShot) and Greater Psionic Shot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#greaterPsionicShot) and go for the one-shot kill, rather than the volley shot. Since Soulknife and Soulbow are Average BAB classes (unfortunately; poor Soulknifes, so picked on b/c they can't use psionics otherwise so they get abused), it doesn't make much sense to go for the volley, as it'll only end up with a flurry of misses. Possibly Zen Archery (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Zen_Archery,CW) as well, given Soulbow does Wisdom to damage already, so you could minimize Dex to just get the archery feats you need and then just pump Wis. Finally, to keep your veritable barrage going, Psionic Meditation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#psionicMeditation) to reduce the recovery of your focus to a move action. So all in all, Move action to recover focus, swift action to charge your shot with a Mind Strike and then Standard to unleash your 3d8+4d6+Wis bonus on some poor bastard.

Them's my 2 coppers. Take as you will.

Optimystik
2009-08-26, 10:45 AM
I'd personally as a Soulbow go for Mind Cleave (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Cleave,CoP) and Mind Empowerment (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Empowerment,CoP), as well as maybe Mind Strike, Swift (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Strike^_Swift,CoP), along with Psionic Shot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#psionicShot) and Greater Psionic Shot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#greaterPsionicShot) and go for the one-shot kill, rather than the volley shot. Since Soulknife and Soulbow are Average BAB classes (unfortunately; poor Soulknifes, so picked on b/c they can't use psionics otherwise so they get abused), it doesn't make much sense to go for the volley, as it'll only end up with a flurry of misses. Possibly Zen Archery (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Zen_Archery,CW) as well, given Soulbow does Wisdom to damage already, so you could minimize Dex to just get the archery feats you need and then just pump Wis. Finally, to keep your veritable barrage going, Psionic Meditation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#psionicMeditation) to reduce the recovery of your focus to a move action. So all in all, Move action to recover focus, swift action to charge your shot with a Mind Strike and then Standard to unleash your 3d8+4d6+Wis bonus on some poor bastard.

Them's my 2 coppers. Take as you will.

I heartily support this. If you have a mental energy gun, might as well make it a railgun!

sofawall
2009-08-26, 10:59 AM
That's telekinesis, Kyle.

Cieyrin
2009-08-26, 12:21 PM
I'd personally as a Soulbow go for Mind Cleave (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Cleave,CoP) and Mind Empowerment (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Empowerment,CoP), as well as maybe Mind Strike, Swift (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Mind_Strike^_Swift,CoP), along with Psionic Shot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#psionicShot) and Greater Psionic Shot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#greaterPsionicShot) and go for the one-shot kill, rather than the volley shot. Since Soulknife and Soulbow are Average BAB classes (unfortunately; poor Soulknifes, so picked on b/c they can't use psionics otherwise so they get abused), it doesn't make much sense to go for the volley, as it'll only end up with a flurry of misses. Possibly Zen Archery (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Zen_Archery,CW) as well, given Soulbow does Wisdom to damage already, so you could minimize Dex to just get the archery feats you need and then just pump Wis. Finally, to keep your veritable barrage going, Psionic Meditation (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#psionicMeditation) to reduce the recovery of your focus to a move action. So all in all, Move action to recover focus, swift action to charge your shot with a Mind Strike and then Standard to unleash your 3d8+4d6+Wis bonus on some poor bastard.

Them's my 2 coppers. Take as you will.

Oh and go Order of the Bow Initiate for some Ranged Precision, as I do believe you can qualify with Mind Arrows, as they're considered long bows, i'm fairly sure. You're using standard action shots, anyways, so it doesn't hurt, especially when you get Weapon Focus free through Soulknife, anyways.

UserClone
2009-08-26, 01:17 PM
...how about the power...to move you?

Eldariel
2009-08-26, 02:28 PM
Oh and go Order of the Bow Initiate for some Ranged Precision, as I do believe you can qualify with Mind Arrows, as they're considered long bows, i'm fairly sure. You're using standard action shots, anyways, so it doesn't hurt, especially when you get Weapon Focus free through Soulknife, anyways.

Considering how awful Order of the Bow Initiate, I'm going to suggest "No!" here. The way to make archery deal damage is through iteratives, Rapid Shot and so on, and acting at an immense rage. OotBI throws all that away for horrible PRECISION damage boosts to single attacks. It's just a bad class that should never have been printed as it isn't good at what it's supposed to be good at.

sofawall
2009-08-26, 02:49 PM
Not counting this one, 3/9 posts have Tenacious D contained within. I count this as a victory.

oxinabox
2009-08-26, 06:25 PM
Weapon specialization isn't a great feat, and you'd need 4 levels of fighter to pull it off.

So you've really got no slots for psychic warrior

So you'll want:
SoulKnife 1/Fighter 4/Soulknife +1/Soulbow 2

As long as you have a 0 or positive int modifier, you'll have enough ranks to grab the 8 in autohypnosis that you want. 4 at start and 4 at level 6.

Take the rest of the feats wherever. Soulknife 1 is first so you can get weapon focus (mindblade) for free and thus don't need to burn a fighter feat on it to specialize.
I had soulblade 2 (cos ranger sweet sweet skill points at lvl 1)
I thought weapon specialisation only required fighter 1, damn.
I'm not reducing my number of PrC lvls for that , even ikf i'm making 3 attacxks per round, so +6 damage, that's not worth it, sos i'll be getting from the 3rd lvl of soube bo +1 attack +1 damage per arror anyway

I'm going to check out races of eberon

Johanas
2009-08-26, 06:32 PM
I had a party fight a shiny demon once. Only one player caught the reference, and I ran with it. It just so happened he was a bard. He sang the "Greatest Song in the World"...and the rest of the table watched as we grinned like idiots, oblivious to the greatest that they had just witnessed. Oh well. Good times.

Lycanthromancer
2009-08-26, 06:36 PM
Check out the soulbound weapon psywar variant. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070214a)

You get plenty of bonus feats to toss around, lots of great psychic warrior powers (that, if used judiciously and imaginatively, can get you some interesting bonuses on your attacks).

Strength of my enemy f.t.w.?

Soulknife + psywar variant + a summoned mind blade f.l.o.w.?

sofawall
2009-08-26, 07:53 PM
5/13, now.

oxinabox
2009-08-27, 03:21 AM
theres nothing good for soulbows in Races of elberon

Doc Roc
2009-08-27, 03:33 AM
Sometimes you gotta leave your zone of safety. You have to manufacture Inspirado.

oxinabox
2009-08-27, 05:47 AM
Soulblade 1/ Fighter 2/soulblade +1/Warblade 1/soulbow 3
My intitator lvl will be 3, so i'll be able to sellect from manouvers lvl 1 and 2.

What stance and 3 maneuvers can be used as buffs/counters/stikes that are allowed at range?
EDIT: not many, Tiger Claw has some, eg leap


I'll have to spend 2 skill points to cross class raise my Autohyponosise, eh can't have everything (unless your the omnisphier, in wich case you can)
Now what warbladse stances are there that are buf

riddles
2009-08-27, 06:25 AM
Check out the soulbound weapon psywar variant. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070214a)

You get plenty of bonus feats to toss around, lots of great psychic warrior powers (that, if used judiciously and imaginatively, can get you some interesting bonuses on your attacks).

Strength of my enemy f.t.w.?

Soulknife + psywar variant + a summoned mind blade f.l.o.w.?

love the fluff on that variant and the idea of summoning the blade bound to your soul from mid air etc.

however, check out the casting time for call weaponry - 1 full round. and it lasts 1 min/level. that's you out of the fight for the whole first round. even if you use link power from compsi to allow you to do something in the first round, you don't have a weapon!

RagnaroksChosen
2009-08-27, 06:27 AM
theres nothing good for soulbows in Races of elberon

Actualy there is all the things for a kalashtar that works on the mindblade works ont he soulbow specificaly the mind warrior comes to mind,


Feats:
Soulblade warrior
Spiritual force

as well as the racial sub for soulknife...

1st elvel allows you to align our blade(or arrow)
3rd lets you dismiss any thingyou hit(or atleast attempt to)

oxinabox
2009-08-27, 07:07 AM
All your suggestions are good, but:
Being Kalshtar, means no human Bonus feat.
in exchange for +2 to a couple of siklls and to saves against mind effecting effects.



Soulblade warrior

Its's good, i won't argue that it's good.
But it's very specificeabout blades so i'm not sure it it would pull of so well for the soulbow. do feats like that automatically traslate? i thought only weapon focus, and specisiation.
Also it's better if you have Eberon Action points.


Spiritual forceWopuld be neat if i wanted to ever use psionic focus (which so far i'm avoiding, thus saves concentration checks))
Also this build uses CHA as it's dump, it's not the basis for any of it's other abilities, and almost no CHA skills are class for it, even with the bulk multiclassing.
All Dex skills are :smallbiggrin:





1st elve allows you to align our blade(or arrow)
whioch is nice, expect it only works for one round, and it cost one powerpoint (which a kalashtar only has one).




3rd lets you dismiss any thing you hit(or atleast attempt to)[
Which is AWESOME, except I was only takeing 2 soul knife.
That alone might be worth taking a extrea lvl of soul knife except:
It costs 3 power points.
and it's not a full one dispell (eg i can't get rid of the flaming shere that's creating large battlefeild block).
Ie thats awesome except that that isn't what it is:


He then spends 3 power points in order to make a dispel check
(using his soulknife level as his caster level) against
each mind-affecting spell or ability influencing the
target (though he can’t choose to ignore some effects
and dispel others). If his dispel check succeeds, the
effect is dispelled (as by dispel magic). Effects that are
immune to dispelling can’t be affected (except as
noted below).
The purifying strike is also treated as a dismissal spell
for the purpose of exorcising a quori spirit inhabiting
a target creature. The save DC for this effect is 10 + the
soulknife’s class level + the soulknife’s Cha modifier
– the target’s HD.


Warblades not that promising as a one lvl dip.
Maybe back to looking a paladin.
any suggestions for a Full BaB one lvl dip class anyone?

RagnaroksChosen
2009-08-27, 07:18 AM
All your suggestions are good, but:
Being Kalshtar, means no human Bonus feat.
in exchange for +2 to a couple of siklls and to saves against mind effecting effects.



Its's good, i won't argue that it's good.
But it's very specificeabout blades so i'm not sure it it would pull of so well for the soulbow. do feats like that automatically traslate? i thought only weapon focus, and specisiation.
Also it's better if you have Eberon Action points.

Wopuld be neat if i wanted to ever use psionic focus (which so far i'm avoiding, thus saves concentration checks))
Also this build uses CHA as it's dump, it's not the basis for any of it's other abilities, and almost no CHA skills are class for it, even with the bulk multiclassing.
All Dex skills are :smallbiggrin:




whioch is nice, expect it only works for one round, and it cost one powerpoint (which a kalashtar only has one).




Which is AWESOME, except I was only takeing 2 soul knife.
That alone might be worth taking a extrea lvl of soul knife except:
It costs 3 power points.
and it's not a full one dispell (eg i can't get rid of the flaming shere that's creating large battlefeild block).
Ie thats awesome except that that isn't what it is:



Warblades not that promising as a one lvl dip.
Maybe back to looking a paladin.
any suggestions for a Full BaB one lvl dip class anyone?

all feats that effect the mind blade also effect the mind arrows. period..
kalastars get a PP per level. so you will have power points to spend.

oxinabox
2009-08-27, 07:22 AM
kalastars get a PP per level. so you will have power points to spend.
Oh, Sweet. that improves it alot.
but still i'm not sure their my flavor.
I'm not sure ranged attack is my flavor.
I need to find a new build to fiddle with.

RagnaroksChosen
2009-08-27, 07:31 AM
Oh, Sweet. that improves it alot.
but still i'm not sure their my flavor.
I'm not sure ranged attack is my flavor.
I need to find a new build to fiddle with.

Wait what?

deciding soulbow might not be for you?

oxinabox
2009-08-27, 08:19 AM
Wait what?

deciding soulbow might not be for you?
What do you mean; what?
The build has potential, but i don't think it has max 'fun'.
I find i build idea i like, I fiddle with it, optimise it alittle.
and abandon it once something moreintersing comes along.
(unless i start playing it)
Before i looked at soulbow, i looked at Fey Heatage Medium armour warlock (which came out interesting enough that i ended up playing it), before that i was looking at a VoP monk.

Cieyrin
2009-08-27, 11:12 AM
Considering how awful Order of the Bow Initiate, I'm going to suggest "No!" here. The way to make archery deal damage is through iteratives, Rapid Shot and so on, and acting at an immense rage. OotBI throws all that away for horrible PRECISION damage boosts to single attacks. It's just a bad class that should never have been printed as it isn't good at what it's supposed to be good at.

So we should just say no to making a psychic shotgun, instead doing a less damaging 6-shooter, or is this more "Don't do standard action precision damage"? As I see it, two Average BAB classes don't benefit a volley shooter, so a sniper build would be a better use of your time. On the other hand, just improving Psychic Strike does the same damage without requiring a standard action to get it off or having to worry about Precision-proof critters quite as much, so ignoring Order of the Bow Initiate and its additional requirements may be for the best, so more Soulknife levels it is.

oxinabox
2009-08-28, 12:44 AM
currently
Ranger 1/SoulKnife 1/fighter 2/ soulknife 1/soulbow 3
Ranger for the Sweet skill points, and good saves.
Could instead have another lvl of soulknife and get psykic stike, +1d8, but then i'ld be using a move action uip, and concentration checks and things get hard.

I'll have lucky arrows so will rarely miss.
Much improment at lvl 9 when i'll have both many shot and Woodlands archer

oxinabox
2009-09-02, 11:39 PM
Came back to this i'm going ot possible get an opt to play this tomorrow.
Lvl 10
Ranger 1/SoulKnife 1/fighter 2/ soulknife 1/soulbow 5
Wondering if i can pull it off as a raptorian.

Feats:
4 normal
2 fighter
3 soulbow (=anything to do with ranged)

Feats i want:
Pointblank shot
rapid shot
precise shot
manyshot
Greater Manyshot
Woodland archer (tatical)
Improved Flight
WINGED WARRIOR [TACTICAL]

maybe Plunging Shot (+1d6 damage per attack on targets 30 feat lower than you) really depends if were in a tight dungeon.
Maybe farshot, but not really.

I can do this with (for my personall refernce)
Pointblank shot (Fighter1)
rapid shot (soulbow 1)
precise shot (lvl 3)
manyshot (soulbow 2)
Greater manyshot (soulbow 3)
Woodland archer (tatical) (lvl 9)
Improved Flight (lvl 1)
WINGED WARRIOR [TACTICAL] (Fighter2)
Plunging shot (lvl 6)


Or suggestions fgor equiptment?
can i use strong amr bracers?
Piercer cloak is a must

EDIT: still avoiding the psionic focus stuff.
Going for many shots.
roll more dice = more fun :-D
And with lucky i reroll any misses.

I think I can use a sheild. shoukd i?
Maybe it i take it off to sneak.

BTW is thera an item that gives sneak attack?
...
I just knoticed he works best at exacty 30 ft above his target

oxinabox
2009-09-03, 07:01 AM
(Sorry aboiut the double post, but i'm keeping my thoughts in track (track a class feature of first lvl rangers, rember to put ranks in survival))
I'll take the Alrernate Class lvls for 1st lvl raptorian fighter - Give up heavy armour proficency, gain ability to fly under medium load.
I'ld never wear anything heavier than mithral plate cos High dex.
And unless i get to have the STR a composite bow user deams of, i wount be able to pull off heavy armour as light load (which i need do to fly).

So equiptment:
Heavy mitral Sheild (+2 AC not Armour check, no dex pen. 7.5 lb, 1020 gp)
Mithral full plate (10,500 gp AC+8 maxDex+3 Arour chk–4 25 lb 30 ft ->20ft)
Probably Silent moves and or Shadowed, then again
Since i have both sheild and armour i can give them both +1 enchantemnts cheap
Some sort off footbow and arrows (antispoinic field)

Cieyrin
2009-09-03, 11:51 AM
Soulknife and Soulbow have mechanics to use their abilities in antimagic zones, just requires a Concentration check to manifest their appropriate weapon, so I wouldn't worry about a back-up ranged weapon.

oxinabox
2009-09-04, 01:31 AM
My concetration's going to be terible.
I'll have to look up the check.
Foot bow means i don't have to stop using my sheild to shoot.

I'm going to try to have engouge money left for:


ROGUE'S VEST
Price (Item Level): 18,000 gp (14th)
Body Slot: Torso
Weight: 1 lb.
This slick-looking black vest is made of supple,
well-worked leather. Its buttons are carved of
dull black glass and seem to absorb light rather
than reflect it.
While wearing this vest, you gain a +2 com*
petence bonus on Hide and Move Silently
checks, and a +2 competence bonus on
Reflex saves. In addition, if you have the
skirmish, sneak attack, or sudden strike
ability, you deal an extra 1d6 points of
damage when making such an attack.
and then there the cost of a +1 mithral Sheild, and +1Mithral full plate.

Then after that Str boosting items, and dex boosting items

ZeroNumerous
2009-09-04, 03:44 AM
It's just a bad class that should never have been printed as it isn't good at what it's supposed to be good at.

Ah, but what Cieyrin is suggesting is taking two bad things and making the sum battle than it's individual parts. Soulbow won't be able to get much bonus damage and probably isn't going to hit with more than a few penalties, ergo he eschews extra attacks in favor of doing one very strong attack. Having many attacks is nice if all of them are hitting, but it's unlikely to happen with two 3/4ths BAB classes.

Overall, it works. Will it win any rewards for being Super Awesome? No. But it works.

oxinabox
2009-09-04, 04:10 AM
When you say this soulbow gives up too much attack to hit often.
you forget to take into account Lucky Arrows.
Every single one of my arrows are Lucky.
Ergo reroll every miss.
Doubling the chance to hit.

It's cheezy.
But not much more than a unoptimised wizard.
Damage: your lvl*d6, reflex half.
It's so hard to get more powerful than that.

Then you put up things like Strong arm bracered, Powerful build, permincy enlarged, fullblade weilding, Frenzied Orc Berskerker.
Which is standard fair for the people in the game i'm intending this for

sofawall
2009-09-04, 04:12 AM
It's cheezy.
But not much more than a unoptimised wizard.
Damage: your lvl*d6, reflex half.
It's so hard to get more powerful than that.


I hope you're being sarcastic. If not, please see Rogue.

oxinabox
2009-09-04, 04:16 AM
I hope you're being sarcastic. If not, please see Rogue.

Oh yeah, TWF rogue.
heh at lvl 10 how much extra damage, assumiong flank?

sofawall
2009-09-04, 04:23 AM
Well, 2 attacks from BAB, 2 more from TWF and ITWF, let's say I took 5 levels of rogue, 4 levels of sneak attack fighter and a level of assassin, that's 7d6 per attack, or 28d6. Almost 3 times my level in d6 action, before magic items.

If I went simple and instead chose Rogue 9/Assassin 1, it'd be the same 4 attacks, but at 6d6 per attack, or 24d6.

EDIT: I'm sure with magic items getting the extra 3d6 isn't tough, and that brings me to Leveld6 sneak attack, with many attacks per round. I even forgot Haste as far as attacks per round, and I'm sure there are a few dips I've forgotten, maybe get me to 8d6 before magic, even 9 if I'm lucky.

EDIT2: Rogue 3/Swordsage 2/Sneak Attack Fighter 4/Assassin 1. 8d6.

EDIT3: Rogue 1/Swordsage 2/Sneak Attack Fighter 2/Assassin 1/Scout 4. 10d6. Well, 2d6 is skirmish. Kinda needs Fractional BAB to work well, though. Great with it, poor without it.

EDIT4: Rogue 2/Scout 3/Sneak Attack Fighter 2/Nightsong Infiltrator 1/Assassin 1/Swordsage 2. Let's see if it adds up.

With partial BAB, yup, we qualify for Nightsong Enforcer. Feat-wise, take Imp Init and TWF at level 1 (human), level 3, I dunno, Craven, level 6 Swift Ambusher, level 9 ITWF, or use Gloves of the Balanced Hand and have a spare feat, so you don't need to be human.

We end up with: 3d6 from rogue, 2d6 from Scout, 2d6 from Assassin's Stance, 2d6 from Sneak Attack Fighter, 1d6 from Nightsong Enforcer and 1d6 from Assassin. 11d6, before Rogue's Vest or a Deadly Weapon (it was deadly, right?) Adds up to 13d6 at level 10, if we can afford it all. Oh, craven, 13d6+10. It has to be +1 to get Deadly, add another damage on there. 13d6 +11

Oh, and 4 attacks, so 52d6+44 in a full attack. Ad the damage from the medium shortsword were using, and it jumps to 56d6+44. If we can fit in Flaming or something, it's a nice neat 60d6+44, but that may be pushing WBL just a little ;) Not bad, for a days work.

oxinabox
2009-09-04, 04:34 AM
oh,just knoticed i can't have winged warrior, i don't qualify. requirs hover feat

hmmm.
Pointblank shot (Fighter1)
rapid shot (soulbow 1)
precise shot (Fighter 2)
manyshot (soulbow 2)
Greater manyshot (soulbow 3)
Woodland archer (tatical) (lvl 9)
Improved Flight (lvl 6)
Plunging shot (lvl 1)
lvl 3 feats free.
I think i might qualify for Flyby attack. at lvl 3
Requires a fly speed, not nesciarily a natural flyspeed, and i have glide and at lvl 3 is oculd have had a spell cast on me.
Raptorian, can glide from 1 HD, but can only fly from 5HD.
But glide has an average manouverability, so it's close

Cieyrin
2009-09-04, 12:35 PM
oh,just knoticed i can't have winged warrior, i don't qualify. requirs hover feat

hmmm.
Pointblank shot (Fighter1)
rapid shot (soulbow 1)
precise shot (Fighter 2)
manyshot (soulbow 2)
Greater manyshot (soulbow 3)
Woodland archer (tatical) (lvl 9)
Improved Flight (lvl 6)
Plunging shot (lvl 1)
lvl 3 feats free.
I think i might qualify for Flyby attack. at lvl 3
Requires a fly speed, not nesciarily a natural flyspeed, and i have glide and at lvl 3 is oculd have had a spell cast on me.
Raptorian, can glide from 1 HD, but can only fly from 5HD.
But glide has an average manouverability, so it's close

I assume glide will count as a fly speed, it's just one with more limitations than normally. If your DM is gonna be a stickler about it, you'll have to take Born Flyer (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Born_Flyer,RW), which is annoying on a race that will get full flying eventually.