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steam_mage
2009-09-02, 08:58 AM
im just about to start dming a 17th level campaign in witch all 3 players want to play necromancers (one of them is also a lich) they've already written up a complicated and very...original backstory so i cant realy force them to make new characters or kill them of in the first encounter. the problem im having is planing out encounters for a campaign based around a city of mindflayers when they're imune to nearly every ability the mindflayers have i was planing on having the mindflayer city alied to a savant aboleth and it's city but guess what? undead are imune to most master glyphs as well! so apart from an enslaved band of advanced necrothanes and convinently placed glyphs of mass heal im strugling to find things they could have access to that would apropriately challenge them. does anyone now of any templates/feats/items that would give the mindflayers a fighting chance?

Tallis
2009-09-02, 09:01 AM
You could give them sorcerer, wizard, cleric, druid etc levels. You could also have them control other creatures with abilities undead aren't immune to.

JeminiZero
2009-09-02, 09:15 AM
Mindflayers generally don't like to get their hands dirty. They would have enslaved all sorts of creatures to fight for them. Of particular interest to you might be the Voidmind Template, essentially a permanently enslaved being that Mindflayers can dominate at will. It can be applied to a reasonably large variety of creatures (and even humanoids with class levels) so you can use that to add lots of different foes for your PCs. Voidminds also come with some handy extra immunities that might be useful against necromancers.

kme
2009-09-03, 04:24 AM
You can also use psionic rules. I think mind flayers are stated as lvl 8 psions, that way they will have a blasting option(and some others) as well.

Fixer
2009-09-03, 07:35 AM
You can always houserule, given the situation, that their undead PCs are vulnerable to mind-affecting spells/powers/etc. as a result of their cognizance.

*OR* you can homebrew a feat for these creatures that lets them attack undead and avoid their immunity to mind-affecting powers. Say it is the result of their elder brain, long ago, being attacked and enslaved by a lich. It started growing illithids with this feat and eventually destroyed the lich, forcing all offspring thereafter to retain the feat to avoid ever being captured again by undead. It could attack their negative energy directly instead of their mind, which (in game terms) would be the same effect.

Blue Warlock
2009-09-03, 11:30 AM
You can always houserule, given the situation, that their undead PCs are vulnerable to mind-affecting spells/powers/etc. as a result of their cognizance.

*OR* you can homebrew a feat for these creatures that lets them attack undead and avoid their immunity to mind-affecting powers. Say it is the result of their elder brain, long ago, being attacked and enslaved by a lich. It started growing illithids with this feat and eventually destroyed the lich, forcing all offspring thereafter to retain the feat to avoid ever being captured again by undead. It could attack their negative energy directly instead of their mind, which (in game terms) would be the same effect.

NO, do not do this unless you are prepared to give the PC's an extra level (subtract an LA) for there trouble. They payed the LA fair and square to get these immunities.
There is a feat to do something similar to do what you want, but its Epic, which should give you a good starting point (one I'm thinking of works with bards... maybe?) if you want to go this route, then give the PCs access to a single Epic feat of their choice, which may wind up backfiring on you big time.
TL;DR. Don't do it.

GM.Casper
2009-09-08, 02:07 PM
Make the mindflayers so numerous and strong that the players survive only thanks to their undead abilities. Then they will be congratulating themselves for well designed characters. (It always pays to ‘reward’ them like that- then they will remember for a long time ‘how we took on an entire city of mindflayers with our necromants’.)

And I would be interested to read their backstory.

Aneantir
2009-09-08, 02:25 PM
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19527634/Tome_of_Necromancy
Frank and K material. Find the "Subtypes" section and review the changes they suggest, could help with your problem.