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Korivan
2009-09-09, 09:08 PM
I was wondering what are some of the more favorite tactics using Invisible Spell.

I like using invisible prismatic walls, but that takes quite a few levels.

Theres always greater invisibility, and invisible solid fog/any type of fog. Nice way to stay invisible despite true seeing.

Invisible monster summons for a quick and easy buff for them.

You can always attack it to blast spells, but I figure unless your somehow silencing them too, your gonna be noticed.

I was wondering what others people like to use.

KillianHawkeye
2009-09-09, 09:44 PM
Theres always greater invisibility, and invisible solid fog/any type of fog. Nice way to stay invisible despite true seeing.

If you're worried about true seeing, you could always try invisible invisibility plus regular invisibility. :smallwink::smallamused:

FinalJustice
2009-09-09, 09:45 PM
Invisible Solid Fog is great aginst people toting True Seeing around. Lock them and pelt them with rays, while they see fog. Bonus points if you combine it with skill tricks to avoid spellcraft.

Fax Celestis
2009-09-09, 10:15 PM
I'm a fan of invisible enlarged fireball and invisible enlarged disintegrate. Fistful o' d6's from ranges between a quarter and a half mile away that you can't see where it came from? Sniper's wet dream.

Faleldir
2009-09-09, 10:46 PM
Invisible True Resurrection.

quick_comment
2009-09-09, 10:51 PM
Invisible plane shift

Invisible Celestial Brilliance

Invisible shapechange

Kylarra
2009-09-09, 10:54 PM
What book is invisible spell from again?

quick_comment
2009-09-09, 11:02 PM
Cityscape.

Its clearly designed for hiding blasty spells. But its clearly hilarious when applied to other things.

Forbiddenwar
2009-09-09, 11:17 PM
an invisible invisibility spell would make you visible. Someone with true seeing would see through both spell effects, making you visible. seems like a waste of spell slots.

SurlySeraph
2009-09-09, 11:21 PM
I'm a fan of invisible enlarged fireball and invisible enlarged disintegrate. Fistful o' d6's from ranges between a quarter and a half mile away that you can't see where it came from? Sniper's wet dream.

Yeah, this. "Suddenly, everyone in the room catches fire!" is always fun.

Kylarra
2009-09-09, 11:24 PM
Cityscape.

Its clearly designed for hiding blasty spells. But its clearly hilarious when applied to other things.
Ahh, one of many books I don't actually have. Ah well.

ghost_warlock
2009-09-09, 11:25 PM
Invisible Grease?

Invisible Web?

Invisible Evard's Black Tentacles?

Invisible Glitterdust? :smallconfused:

Kylarra
2009-09-09, 11:32 PM
Invisible Glitterdust? :smallconfused:
YOU SUDDENLY CAN'T SEE AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHY...


oh wait. :smalltongue:

xPANCAKEx
2009-09-09, 11:41 PM
surely invisible colourspray must be added to the list

Tiktakkat
2009-09-10, 12:24 AM
Don't forget to toss in Deceptive Spell, also from Cityscape, to hide the origin.
If you need to keep quiet, depending on what level the gratuitous abuse is, go with superior invisibility from the Spell Compendium, which will mask whatever sounds you make (not to mention odors, just in case). Even if they see you, you can just peek out of some tiny peephole, while sending invisble blasts from another direction. Since you want the deceptive effect to be enhanced, go with anything that is a cone to support that.
Or you could go with Still and Silent Spell, but those are going to kill your spell level. If you have a way to get feats to burn, (and a way to be dragonblooded, which is not that hard to manage), you can stack in Practical Metamagic from Races of the Dragon to bring the spell level back to normal. That is going to be 8 or 9 feats though, so you will need either high level or some feat trick to pull it off. (Invisible Spell, Deceptive Spell, Still Spell, Silent Spell, Practical Metamagic x 3, and Rapid Metamagic so you do not take full round actions for it.) Then you just stand around, scratch randomly, and blow stuff up down the block from the other direction. At that point, does it matter what you cast?

Myou
2009-09-10, 05:11 AM
If you're worried about true seeing, you could always try invisible invisibility plus regular invisibility. :smallwink::smallamused:

The invisibility is also invisible.

ghost_warlock
2009-09-10, 05:20 AM
Invisible darkness?

Invisible forcecage + Invisible cloudkill?

Hm. Invisible enlarge person? :smallconfused:

Deth Muncher
2009-09-10, 11:56 AM
an invisible invisibility spell would make you visible. Someone with true seeing would see through both spell effects, making you visible. seems like a waste of spell slots.

This reminds me of Hero System. There's a power you can get that's basically invisible invisibility. So they can see you, but they can't target you for attacks, because you're invisible. But they can see you, so they try to target you, but they can't because you're invisible. But they can see you, so...

You see where this goes.

Melamoto
2009-09-10, 12:05 PM
Invisible True Resurrection.

Ok, now I'm confused. Still, despite the fun, I figure it would do nothing.


Also: Invisible Control Weather. Invisible Enlarge/Reduce person.

woodenbandman
2009-09-10, 12:10 PM
Invisible True Creation is a favorite of mine. Combine it with Invisible Fabricate and you can have an army of naturally invisible constructs.

Invisible Genesis.

Invisible Heal (Good god, we're being attacked by zombies!)

Invisible Ghost Sound

Invisible Silent Image.

Signmaker
2009-09-10, 12:14 PM
Invisible Nightmare Terrain. Ohhh, the fear that would be instilled in your heart, but could you see the desolated landscape..


Invisible Grazz't's Long Reach. You've now got a rocket arm to deliver touch spells that can't be seen.


Invisible (Insert any Swift Action Polymorph Subschool Spell).

ZeroNumerous
2009-09-10, 12:25 PM
I prefer Invisible Giant Vermin.

Or Invisible Wall of Iron plus Invisible Fabrice equals Invisible Full Plate.

Invisible Symbol of [Anything].

Rixx
2009-09-10, 12:26 PM
Invisible True Strike.

Yora
2009-09-10, 12:41 PM
Why go stupid, when you can also go nasty:

Invisible Blade Barrier.
Or for that matter, all kinds of Invisible walls.

Invisible Elemental Swarm

Invisible Stinking Cloud.

Or Invisible Cloudkill. Silent, but deadly. ^^

Faleldir
2009-09-10, 12:55 PM
Ok, now I'm confused. Still, despite the fun, I figure it would do nothing.
True Resurrection creates a new body for the target creature. If that can be considered an effect of the spell, then it appears to the naked eye as though the spell had not been cast.

Yukitsu
2009-09-10, 02:54 PM
Invisible clone.

Deth Muncher
2009-09-10, 03:06 PM
Also, because it hasn't been said yet:

Yo dawg, I herd u liek invisibility, so I put some invisibility in your invisibility so you can be invisible while you're invisible.

Myou
2009-09-10, 03:09 PM
Also, because it hasn't been said yet:

Yo dawg, I herd u liek invisibility, so I put some invisibility in your invisibility so you can be invisible while you're invisible.

What? o.O

Are you referencing something there?

Starbuck_II
2009-09-10, 03:15 PM
Myou, he is pimping your Invisible Metamagic. Get with the MTV.

Fax Celestis
2009-09-10, 03:16 PM
What? o.O

Are you referencing something there?
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/1627/d20-480x447.jpg

http://www.amatosauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-herd-you-like-functions-newton.jpg
http://www.mrhaironline.com/mv6/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/epicsupdawg.jpg
http://www.mrhaironline.com/mv6/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/yo_dawg_i_herd_u_like_english.jpg
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-heard-you-like-math.jpg
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http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-herd-you-like-yoyos.jpg

Myou
2009-09-10, 03:23 PM
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/1627/d20-480x447.jpg

http://www.amatosauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-herd-you-like-functions-newton.jpg
http://www.mrhaironline.com/mv6/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/epicsupdawg.jpg
http://www.mrhaironline.com/mv6/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/yo_dawg_i_herd_u_like_english.jpg
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-heard-you-like-math.jpg
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/1036/likelikes.png
http://www.yodawgyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/xzibit-yo-dawg-i-herd-you-like-yoyos.jpg

I am so confused. :smalleek:


Myou, he is pimping your Invisible Metamagic. Get with the MTV.

Music TV?

Starbuck_II
2009-09-10, 03:41 PM
Guess I need to kill the joke by explaining.

MTV is Music Television (they are a Television network in America!).
They show non-music there. Yes, the name is an oxymoron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp_My_Ride

They are the first Pimpers.

Myou
2009-09-10, 03:44 PM
Guess I need to kill the joke by explaining.

MTV is Music Television (they are a Television network in America!).
They show non-music there. Yes, the name is an oxymoron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimp_My_Ride

They are the first Pimpers.

I know of MTV, I just didn't know it was an MTV reference. I've never seen that show.

KillianHawkeye
2009-09-10, 03:50 PM
an invisible invisibility spell would make you visible. Someone with true seeing would see through both spell effects, making you visible. seems like a waste of spell slots.

No, it actually works, due to the specific wording of Invisible Spell. See this thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118883) for more discussion about Invisible Spell. Specifically, it's the line "Those with detect magic, see invisibility, or true seeing spells or effects active... will see whatever visual manifestations typically accompany the spell." Thus, invisible invisibility defeats true seeing, while the regular invisibility defeats normal sight. (Warning: users of this strategy may involuntarily receive thrown books.)


I am so confused. :smalleek:

Music TV?

It's the guy from "Pimp my Ride". Have you seriously never heard of MTV? There's actually not that much music on it anymore.

ghost_warlock
2009-09-10, 09:47 PM
Actually, it came to me in a dream, have fun breaking Invisible Spell and freaking out your DM with invisible simulacrum.

Note that invisible spell doesn't specify the terms for cancelling the invisibility, so wouldn't the spell's effects be invisible for the full duration?

Sure, simulacrum is fairly expensive, but having a few invisible bodyguards/assassins might well be worth it.

Also,

Invisible clone.

Your dead rogue buddy is now an invisible stalker. :smallsmile:

Korivan
2009-09-10, 09:53 PM
Out of all things to get side tracked...we get MTV. The one source on this world thats done everything possible to destroy music entirely:smallfurious:.

Blue Ghost
2009-09-10, 09:58 PM
Hmm. Invisible Prismatic Wall? I'd better try that sometime.

good_lookin_gus
2009-09-10, 10:19 PM
Hmm. Invisible Prismatic Wall? I'd better try that sometime.

I've heard someone mention this tactic in a similar thread. Be a Sorcerer and pick up the Goad feat (CW).

quick_comment
2009-09-10, 10:21 PM
It would be fun to play a cleric in an atheist world with invisible spell automatically added on all his spells.

Invisible miracle!
Invisible healing!
Invisible flame strike!


Try to convince the heathens that the gods are real, but all you can do is have a series of unlikely coincidences

Korivan
2009-09-10, 10:30 PM
Hmm. Invisible Prismatic Wall? I'd better try that sometime.

I LOVE this idea, the only problem is that Prismatic Wall is a 8th level spell, making it something you won't be using too soon.

But ya, all these tactics are really nice. I think the only limitation with a +0 level adjustment metamagic that makes things invisible is your own imagination...and the dms patience:smallwink:

Zaq
2009-09-10, 10:30 PM
Invisible Polymorph.

"OH GOD HOW DID IT JUST MAKE TWELVE ATTACKS ON AN AOO?! IT'S JUST A MONK!"

Would Invisible Planar Binding do anything? Or is the creature not the effect? I guess that one's a little dicey.

I know, I know, Invisible Teleport Circle!

Invisible Glitterdust makes me laugh. Not for the blinding effect, but for the -40 to Hide checks. Because you're covered in glitter. That no one can see.

Bayar
2009-09-11, 04:03 AM
Invisible Polymorph.

"OH GOD HOW DID IT JUST MAKE TWELVE ATTACKS ON AN AOO?! IT'S JUST A MONK!"

Actually, that would turn the monk into an invisible hydra.

Heliomance
2009-09-11, 01:12 PM
I believe the wording is along the lines of "the visual effects of the spell are rendered invisible". The monk would not become invisible, but there would be no visible change.

FinalJustice
2009-09-11, 01:19 PM
That's actually pretty cool, my sorcerer get to keep the looks while Shapechanged into a Troll.