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DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 01:08 AM
My experimenting with epic rules has led me to the Leadership, Epic Leadership, and Legendary Commander feats... and my kobold character with a Leadership score of 49, and x10 the listed numbers of followers.

This leads to a Cohort of level 29, plus: 19,000 x 1st level; 1,900 x 2nd level; 950 x 3rd level; 475 x 4th level; 238 x 5th level; 119 x 6th level; 60 x 7th level; 30 x 8th level; 15 x 9th level; 8 x 10th level; 4 x 11th level; 2 x 12th level; and 1 x 13th level Followers.

So... what in the world is there to /do/ with this many levelled followers, outside of sheer mass combat and colonization-by-force?

Coidzor
2009-09-11, 01:11 AM
Hmm. minions for your tarrasque hide harvesting outfit?

Competitions for who can start the worlds' largest orgy?

Rail-cannon?

Rail-orgy?

Creating chicken-infested-commoner black holes?

Kylarra
2009-09-11, 01:12 AM
Circle magic.

I mean why not right?

Sstoopidtallkid
2009-09-11, 01:13 AM
Craft a Star Destroyer. Yes, this is possible

Kylarra
2009-09-11, 01:15 AM
Craft a Star Destroyer. Yes, this is possibleCraft a super star destroyer and bury it underneath a city.

Coidzor
2009-09-11, 01:15 AM
My Roomie is all throwing stuff at me:

XP-farm: Gladiatoral Combat until one or two of them has leveled up until they can give you XP.

Comedy Sketch Shows.

Have them all learn healing spells and fit 'em all in a pocket dimension connected via a ring-gate so they can heal you 24/7

Create a new deity.

Make yourself a new deity.

Hold them in reserve for trap checking.

Re-enact Dwarf Fortress.

Giant Ponzi Scheme....

A Renewable variant of the XP farm from Breeding the adults and having the offspring engage in gladiatoral games against one another to level them up.

You haven't known sport until you've seen two babies in diapers wielding tridents going at each other.

DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 01:19 AM
Make yourself a new deity.

Already part of the plan; 12th level Dragon Ascendant gives one Divine Rank 0, the actually tricky part is getting from DR 0 to DR 1...

Pika...
2009-09-11, 01:21 AM
Did you get that staff from Heroes of Battle which doubles your followers yet again? :smallwink:

quick_comment
2009-09-11, 01:23 AM
Dismiss them all, get followers who can cast 1st level spells at least and use them as mitigation for epic spells.

Milskidasith
2009-09-11, 01:25 AM
Cast an ABSURDLY epic spell.

You have 20000 people following you. Do you know what you could do with a 20000 person group? You could cast a fireball that would engulf the entire world with a few hundred D20 damage after dispelling everybody on the planet with a +a huge number on the dispelling check and then raise them all from the dead.

You could even make it require a fortitude save so those pesky evasioners don't escape your nuke.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

elliott20
2009-09-11, 01:30 AM
a 20000 man YMCA dance?

a 20000 man THRILLER dance? (would probably work better if they were all undead first though)

jiriku
2009-09-11, 01:33 AM
Tell them all that your deity came to you in a vision and said you'll die if you don't raise a million gold pieces by the end of the year. Then tell them to "give and give and give until it hurts!" You should net at least enough for a new major magic item out of that.

Pika...
2009-09-11, 01:33 AM
Already part of the plan; 12th level Dragon Ascendant gives one Divine Rank 0, the actually tricky part is getting from DR 0 to DR 1...

Actually, by mere number of worshipers you already have the equivalent of what a lesser deity (Divine Rank 6-10) typically has. Take a look at Deities & Demigods p.25. You already have more than Quasi-deities and demigods.

DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 01:33 AM
Did you get that staff from Heroes of Battle which doubles your followers yet again? :smallwink:

I seem to have missed that one - even after flipping through HoB. What's it's actual name?

TheCountAlucard
2009-09-11, 01:33 AM
(would probably work better if they were all undead first though)That's what Undead Leadership is for. :smallamused:

DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 01:38 AM
Actually, by mere number of worshipers you already have the equivalent of what a lesser deity (Divine Rank 6-10) typically has. Take a look at Deities & Demigods p.25. You already have more than Quasi-deities and demigods.

Well, that assumes that number of worshippers is what leads to increase in divine rank, and that depends on the campaign-universe. It's not a bad assumption, but it's entirely possible that worshippers are necessary, but not sufficient, and the would-be deity also has to seize control of a godly realm and performs some mysterious act that links him to a portfolio. At that level of things, it might be worth using the rules from a rather old WotC line: "Primal Order". :)

Trodon
2009-09-11, 01:38 AM
Already part of the plan; 12th level Dragon Ascendant gives one Divine Rank 0, the actually tricky part is getting from DR 0 to DR 1...

I have search and only found this (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dragon_Ascendant_(DnD_Optimized_Character_Build)), is this what you are talking about?

FoE
2009-09-11, 01:40 AM
Clear out the Tomb of Horrors ... the same way you disarm a bear trap with a stick.

March them off the side of a canyon so I can leisurely stroll to the other side.

Round them up and then set them loose in a nature preserve where I will hunt the deadliest game of all: Man.

DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 01:42 AM
I have search and only found this (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dragon_Ascendant_(DnD_Optimized_Character_Build)), is this what you are talking about?

Not quite; Dragon Ascendant is a prestige class from Draconomicon, page 90. Two of the prerequisites are Base Attack Bonus +30, and being a true dragon, which makes it rather tricky to get onto in the first place, but not impossible...

shadzar
2009-09-11, 01:42 AM
-Send them all door to door selling cookies to everyone.

-World's Longest Conga line.

-have them act as gladiators for the amusement of a paying audience

-Fire-brigade for hire.

-army-for-hire

-build a pyramid in your honor.

-Defeat Tucker's Kobolds

Mystral
2009-09-11, 01:43 AM
Have your own multiverse-spanning spy-network.

Pika...
2009-09-11, 01:44 AM
I seem to have missed that one - even after flipping through HoB. What's it's actual name?

My apologies. My memory failed me.

It is on p.131, but it only gives you a +2 bonus to your leadership score.

It must have been the feat in said book I was thinking of which does that (Extra Followers pg.97).

DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 01:49 AM
It must have been the feat in said book I was thinking of which does that (Extra Followers pg.97).

Ah, now that's almost as useful as a staff - okay, everybody reading this thread from now on, the question has just become, "What would you do with 40,000 followers?". ;)

Pika...
2009-09-11, 01:50 AM
Oh, and along with the rod (sorry, not a staff) be sure to put some gold into a fortress/castle to increase your leadership score even more.

Supply them with Good quality meals, quality clothes, etc, etc and with proper roleplaying you might get the bonus for treating them well.

Coidzor
2009-09-11, 01:51 AM
Clear out the Tomb of Horrors ... the same way you disarm a bear trap with a stick.

Use very potent magical artifacts to build a REAL "tomb of horrors" in the positive energy plane. A living tomb of horrors.

... My friend scares me. And I hope I have hidden the sewing kits in the house...

Pika...
2009-09-11, 01:51 AM
Ah, now that's almost as useful as a staff - okay, everybody reading this thread from now on, the question has just become, "What would you do with 40,000 followers?". ;)

Haha. :smallbiggrin:

Glad I could help my fellow kobold loving friend. Please update us on how it turns out.

EnnPeeCee
2009-09-11, 01:52 AM
Get them all to take the Swarm Fighting feat. Get them all to stand in a single 5' square.
Not sure what that'd do for you, but it'd be cool to see.

Pika...
2009-09-11, 01:55 AM
Oh, and if you want to be REAL dirty, and you can get your DM to allow it (is he even allowing this?), have your cohort take the leadership feat, and make it something with a HUGE Cha (say a Succubus? She'd have other uses to boot...).

DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 01:59 AM
Oh, and if you want to be REAL dirty, and you can get your DM to allow it (is he even allowing this?)

Right now, we're at the stage of poking at the various epic rules with a stick, to decide whether or not we want to use any of them at all; my fiddling with the Leadership numbers is one part of that poking.

Pika...
2009-09-11, 02:02 AM
Right now, we're at the stage of poking at the various epic rules with a stick, to decide whether or not we want to use any of them at all; my fiddling with the Leadership numbers is one part of that poking.

Yeah... hope your DM is not reading this thread, or you've probably already scared him away from any idea of using Epic rules.

ZeroNumerous
2009-09-11, 02:05 AM
Rail-orgy?

/Thread

What were I to do with them though? Pain Factory. Free crafting XP!

Platinius
2009-09-11, 02:10 AM
Found your own empire and try to purge the world of evil.
And more RPG-wise, build them into an army with squads and platoons etc. so that they can go level and take themselves leadership and create you even more (albeit indirect) followers, and then enlarge your empire and free/conquer the world.

Coidzor
2009-09-11, 02:18 AM
/Thread

What were I to do with them though? Pain Factory. Free crafting XP!

Now that's a good one. haha.

I had to get it in there first. :smalltongue:

Rixx
2009-09-11, 02:21 AM
I, personally, would travel exclusively by crowd-surfing.

DrakebloodIV
2009-09-11, 02:34 AM
Isnt that enough followers to gain some Divine Rank?

BobVosh
2009-09-11, 02:42 AM
Get them all to take the Swarm Fighting feat. Get them all to stand in a single 5' square.
Not sure what that'd do for you, but it'd be cool to see.

Give 20 of em arrows of slaying. A distance bow(pass around after one shoots). Have them all aid another to them(+2000 to hit). Slay anything not immune. Or is it 400 and 200 if the arrows have a save.

Coidzor
2009-09-11, 02:53 AM
Ooo.

Start a bidding war amongst concerned deities for the worship of your followers if you're not using them to jostle up yourself into that game..

VanIsleKnight
2009-09-11, 02:53 AM
I honestly don't know. Try to find a home for ourselves I guess, make a small nation and try out making a utopia?

I don't think I could be responsible for 20,000 people. =/

DrGonzo
2009-09-11, 03:21 AM
Biggest flashmob ever.

Errant_Polearm
2009-09-11, 03:35 AM
Klondike Bar factory!
Maybe combine it with the multiverse-spanning spy network. "What would you do for a Klondike Bar?" "Betray my nation and/or deity and become another of the 40,000 plus followers!"

All this about achieving Divine Rank reminds me of Dominions 3, which could make for a nice Epic game...

Myou
2009-09-11, 03:48 AM
Right now, we're at the stage of poking at the various epic rules with a stick, to decide whether or not we want to use any of them at all; my fiddling with the Leadership numbers is one part of that poking.

The WotC epic feats are like sleeping Great Wryms. With sorcerer levels going into incantatrix....

Bayar
2009-09-11, 03:59 AM
You could get them all in lines and apply what we know about the commoner railgun, only that it doesnt shoot the items at absurdly high speeds at the end, it only stops there (since the rules for conservating speed does not exist in D&D).

So go ahead and create your very own medieval non-magical version of the internet.

Or better yet, if all followers are strong enough to carry a human or whatever you are playing, do the same thing, only that now, they pass you from one another. Medieval non-magical teleport with only a 6 second delay.

Ganurath
2009-09-11, 04:22 AM
Make them all kobolds with slight build, and build a massive underground metropolis the likes of which would make Tucker orgasm in envy. Make your Cohort a Sorceror with the Metamagic Specialist varient (PHBII) who wages war against the gnomes on your behalf. Your followers should be as follows:

L1: Warrior with Swarmfighting, with skills focused on Crafting and Profession (miner or fungus farmer.) Arm 'em with darts, let accuracy and numbers win the day from behind murder holes. 20 per patrol.
L2: An Expert who retrained for Swarmfighting, armed as the above and with skills suited for sneaky scouting and working with traps. 2 per patrol.
L3: As the above Expert, but with Weapon Finesse and a spear for a weapon. Somebody needs to make the attacks of opportunity. 1 per patrol.
L4-5: Adept with Cooperative Spell and Swarmfighting. Adepts in a Swarm, casting in tandem? The implications are disgustingly awesome.
L6-7: As the above Adept, but let's take Improved Unarmed Strike for those touch spells.
L8: Did I say Improved Unarmed Strike? I meant Corpsecrafter! Skeletons abound!
L9-11: Cooperative Spell, Swarmfighting, Empower Spell, Arcane Thesis (lightning bolt.) Evade that.
L12-13: Cooperative Spell, Swarmfighting, Reach Spell, Chain Spell, Arcane Thesis (cure serious wounds.) These three fine gentleman can provide battlefield medicine in abundance.

Johel
2009-09-11, 04:42 AM
Give 20 of em arrows of slaying. A distance bow(pass around after one shoots). Have them all aid another to them(+2000 to hit). Slay anything not immune. Or is it 400 and 200 if the arrows have a save.

"Aid Another" works only for skills and melee attack.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#aidAnother

As for my use of 20.000 followers :
-Make them all adepts
-Craft Epic Spells as follows :


Fortify +17
Ability score (Charisma, Intelligence, Wisdom, depends of the prime caster)
Reduce casting time by 9 rounds +18
Increase duration by 100% +2
+1.500 Bonus +9.000

Final SpellCraft DC 9.035 => 95% success with 10.000 followers.


Compel +19
Harmful compulsion +10
Reduce casting time by 9 rounds +18
Change from target to area (pick area option below) +10
Change area to 20-ft. radius +2
Increase area by 50.000% +2000
SpellCraft DC 2.059
Permanent duration x 5

Final SpellCraft DC 10.295 => 95% success with 11.000 followers.

Day 1
Cast 1st Epic Spell.
This grants you a +1.500 enhancement bonus to your casting ability for the next 40 hours.
Day 2
Cast 2nd Epic Spell.
This enslaves permanently 95% people in 36 kmē area who aren't immune to mental compulsions. With a will save DC of around 755, nothing can make the save.

Repeat process several times, enslave most people in a 36 kmē area, which is above the size of most medieval city. Better than undeads because you can even breed loyal minions. At that point, the MD announces that rocks fall from the sky :smallamused:

Bayar
2009-09-11, 04:49 AM
You should also call yourself Yuri and stand on a floating disk.

Johel
2009-09-11, 04:55 AM
Done !!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Yuri_red_alert.jpg

Also, small thing about the epic spells : the XP cost to develop something epic and usefull...well, it's a bit high :smallbiggrin:

icefractal
2009-09-11, 05:15 AM
That's why you get spellcasting followers and use massive mitigating factors:

Spellcraft DC: 9,035
Mitigating Factor: 9,034 casters contributing a 1st level slot: -9,034
Spellcraft DC: 1

At that point, I think it only takes half a day and a few thousand gold. With this many followers, you could easily get up DC 40,000 spells on the cheap.

There's got to be something fun you could do with that much power ... turn the entire planet into cake, maybe?

Ernir
2009-09-11, 05:16 AM
I'd try to get god status by bargaining with the DM.

If that fails, and I'm feeling evil, I'd start bargaining with the DM about making epic spells with "human sacrifice" as a mitigating factor.

"So, -1 DC per person sacrificed? No?"
"-1 DC for every 2?"
"OK, deal. -1 DC for every 20 people sacrificed, and you give me Great Cleave for free so I can get it done within the casting time."

Myou
2009-09-11, 05:22 AM
I'd try to get god status by bargaining with the DM.

If that fails, and I'm feeling evil, I'd start bargaining with the DM about making epic spells with "human sacrifice" as a mitigating factor.

"So, -1 DC per person sacrificed? No?"
"-1 DC for every 2?"
"OK, deal. -1 DC for every 20 people sacrificed, and you give me Great Cleave for free so I can get it done within the casting time."

Wow, something tells me you'll have trouble attracting replacement followers. xD

Shademan
2009-09-11, 05:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYejrTg7FJM
something like this

NPCMook
2009-09-11, 05:29 AM
Ah, now that's almost as useful as a staff - okay, everybody reading this thread from now on, the question has just become, "What would you do with 40,000 followers?". ;)

Alexander the Great... Kobold

Ernir
2009-09-11, 05:36 AM
Wow, something tells me you'll have trouble attracting replacement followers. xD

You're right.

Better make the first epic spell an epicly-mass-dominate-person-ing one. :smallsmile:

Myou
2009-09-11, 05:46 AM
You're right.

Better make the first epic spell an epicly-mass-dominate-person-ing one. :smallsmile:

XD

You're going to run out of people to dominate too!

Bayar
2009-09-11, 05:56 AM
XD

You're going to run out of people to dominate too!

Cast genesis and make a plane that goes super fast in comparison with the material one. Instant followers, all the time.

Iliad
2009-09-11, 06:01 AM
Ah, now that's almost as useful as a staff - okay, everybody reading this thread from now on, the question has just become, "What would you do with 40,000 followers?". ;)
Make them breed, have followers have followers, etc. until there are 180 million of them.
Then use the passing the quarterstaff trick. At the speed of light :smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:

Yora
2009-09-11, 06:03 AM
With 20,000 spellcasters, you could make an epic spell that deals 1000d6 points of fire damage within a 48 km radius.

Kulture
2009-09-11, 12:35 PM
If you take Undead leadership you can also recruit liches to your cause, plus I believe it's run on a seperate leadership pool (and may also be effected by the epic feats).
You can potentially double this again.

Tyndmyr
2009-09-11, 02:14 PM
What would I do? Honestly, find a caster capable of ninth level spells(In the very unusual situation I couldn't already get a ninth level spell myself), and create my very own plane of existance, and create my own personal world inside, stocked with followers.

Given the correct rate of time flow and assuming natural reproduction rates, I'll have my own plane of existance with a near-endless supply of mooks, worshippers, etc. 40,000 people can maintain order/a religion of much strength, and their kids will certain be brought to fear and revere me. My occasional visits to the plane will no doubt be hailed as the return of a diety.

DataPacRat
2009-09-11, 02:26 PM
I've just had it pointed out to me that 40,000 active military personnel is roughly equivalent to 3 modern infantry divisions... and the UK only has 2 divisions that are actually field formations and operationally deployable. Most other present-day nations have no divisions at all.

And so, their suggestion of what to do with 40,000 kobolds was simple: Invade Earth!

Johel
2009-09-11, 02:27 PM
What would I do? Honestly, find a caster capable of ninth level spells(In the very unusual situation I couldn't already get a ninth level spell myself), and create my very own plane of existance, and create my own personal world inside, stocked with followers.

Given the correct rate of time flow and assuming natural reproduction rates, I'll have my own plane of existance with a near-endless supply of mooks, worshippers, etc. 40,000 people can maintain order/a religion of much strength, and their kids will certain be brought to fear and revere me. My occasional visits to the plane will no doubt be hailed as the return of a diety.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bays1tdQoZY
You win, by the way.

Sipex
2009-09-11, 02:31 PM
I don't know 3.5 too well but if it's possible.

Get them to learn crafting feats and start a business.

chiasaur11
2009-09-11, 02:32 PM
Crowdsurf everywhere.

You can do it, therefore you should do it.

Mushroom Ninja
2009-09-11, 02:35 PM
Use the peasant railgun to shoot yourself 100,000 feet in a round. Since the railgun doesn't do any damage by RAW, you should be fine.

shadzar
2009-09-11, 02:56 PM
With 40,000 kobold followers, you BECOME Tucker's Kobolds. :smallbiggrin:

Myou
2009-09-11, 03:05 PM
Use the peasant railgun to shoot yourself 100,000 feet in a round. Since the railgun doesn't do any damage by RAW, you should be fine.

Can they actually pass a person though? o.o

Megatron46
2009-09-11, 03:06 PM
Make 20,000 people sing "Row, row, row your boat" in the round!

Why?

Because I can!

Dienekes
2009-09-11, 03:07 PM
Order them all to create the perfect d20 system that is what everyone wants to play.

Then watch as they destroy each other over the use of ToB and if Wizards should be more powerful than Fighters.

vampire2948
2009-09-11, 03:14 PM
Take levels in psion, get a telepath cohort (if you're not one) and then make all 40,000 followers take the max. possible amount of levels in psion.

Then cast metaconcert, and enjoy your many thousands of power points per day.

Ganurath
2009-09-11, 03:23 PM
Take levels in psion, get a telepath cohort (if you're not one) and then make all 40,000 followers take the max. possible amount of levels in psion.

Then cast metaconcert, and enjoy your many thousands of power points per day.Followers can only take NPC classes.

Does Wild Talent work for this, though?

Lysander
2009-09-11, 03:33 PM
You know, 20,000 isn't really that much. That's like controlling a few towns. You'd basically be a baron, with a few decent level minions.

ZeroNumerous
2009-09-11, 03:40 PM
You know, 20,000 isn't really that much. That's like controlling a few towns. You'd basically be a baron, with a few decent level minions.

Yet it only takes 1/4th that number to make you a god.

BizzaroStormy
2009-09-11, 03:42 PM
Yet it only takes 1/4th that number to make you a god.

Well, theres a difference between genuinely worshiping someone, and just doing it because they tell you to.

As for me, I'd have them all fight in a giant free-for-all to the death, Then breed with the winner.

bosssmiley
2009-09-11, 03:51 PM
Make 20,000 people sing "Row, row, row your boat" in the round!

20,000 man game of Chinese Whispers/Telephone. As talking is a free action it takes precisely 1 round to send the (hideously garbled) message 20 miles. :smallbiggrin:

Failing that: "Right lads. I want a pyramid. Get cracking!"

Randel
2009-09-11, 03:56 PM
Step 1: Craft a create food and drink trap so you can feed them all for free.

also, in Faiths of Eberron there is a spell called Unseen Crafter that I think is a second level spell that creates a crafter that takes 10 on craft checks for your level number of days. Be a wizard or something and take ranks in various craft skills, then cast this a bunch of time to make lots of money due to your epic level... extended versions of the spell could last for months.

Use the money generated from this to buy pearls of power and make more money. This is mostly to make lots of money to fund your plans for cosmic domination.

Step 2: Create a big communal city where all of your followers learn crafting skills or magic for making magic items. Have the crafters make houses and clothes and you keep them fed with your food making device.

Step 3: Once your city is all set up then start attracting bussiness from non-followers who now work for your followers. You basicaly set up a cult of people who are obedient to you and gain prestige and power through following an epic level spellcaster.

Step 4: All young people in your utopian society get training in crafting and stuff, all dead people that you don't like get raised as undead to provide free labor in the fields, dead people you do like get ressurected or something.

Old people get assigned secret missions where they get big pouches of gold, magic items, and a mysterious looking cloak of some kind. They then travel to other cities and look mysterious in taverns. These mysterious old people in taverns then hire adventurers to dispatch your enemies and help exert your control over all the lands.

Step 5: Start a massive union of adventurers with yourself as president for life. Put your image everywhere and get all the adventurers in the world to worship you and do your bidding in exchange for magic items and missions that let them level up. Have a system set up so you can still fight stuff and level up while your followers do the assigning. Occasionally hold giant meetings and get roleplaying XP.

Step 6: Become the God of Adventuring.

Step 7: Set up some kind of hellish slaughtering pit where demons of adequate encounter levels are summoned into a gladiatorial arena so that the adventurers who join your adventurer union get to fight constantly and get XP. Invent television or something and start broadcasting the constant gladiator battles all across the material plane to your controlled cities... thus encouraging people to grow up to become adventurers.

Step 8: Once you get a whole army of mid-level adventurers... start invading hell or something. Use your by now massive amounts of money to set up Raise Dead services to revive any adventurers fallen in battle for free.

Step 9: ???

Step 10: Profit!

Randel
2009-09-11, 04:04 PM
Oh, also get plenty of ranks in Diplomacy and bluff and have your followers get ranks in them so that you can turn non-followers fanatically loyal to you... though your daily magical TV broadcasts.

Yukitsu
2009-09-11, 04:05 PM
I built them a city, made them a functional economy, then went about studying more important things. Sometimes I go off and teach them like I promised to.

shadzar
2009-09-11, 04:57 PM
Soylent Green.

Volkov
2009-09-11, 09:03 PM
My experimenting with epic rules has led me to the Leadership, Epic Leadership, and Legendary Commander feats... and my kobold character with a Leadership score of 49, and x10 the listed numbers of followers.

This leads to a Cohort of level 29, plus: 19,000 x 1st level; 1,900 x 2nd level; 950 x 3rd level; 475 x 4th level; 238 x 5th level; 119 x 6th level; 60 x 7th level; 30 x 8th level; 15 x 9th level; 8 x 10th level; 4 x 11th level; 2 x 12th level; and 1 x 13th level Followers.

So... what in the world is there to /do/ with this many levelled followers, outside of sheer mass combat and colonization-by-force?

I'd go all mordor on all of my enemies, and I'd also get that feat that multiplies the number of followers you can have by 10, and have lots of clerics raise me huge armies of undead. And wizards summon up huge armies of elementals and outsiders, with many of the followers having leadership themselves making the army bigger. And I'd smash my 1,000,000+ men against the free city of greyhawk.

Kulture
2009-09-12, 07:46 AM
Find an obscure epic spell that will allow you to condense their essence into a single vial of potion, giving you god-like power (likely beyond minor gods, especially if it's a ritual suicide by your worshippers) then use the essence-less bodies to craft monstrous armies (Pyramid head being an adequate target for the average footsoldier, best be sure to craft lots of fullblades).

After a while you could launch an all-out assault on the nine hells/the abyss/ cellestia, particularly the latter if you can lead them to a demi-plane and spam word of chaos.

Failing that, take your pyramid head army and go kick in orcus for fun.

EleventhHour
2009-09-12, 09:03 AM
Set them to making more followers. :smalltongue:

DataPacRat
2009-09-12, 09:09 AM
Are there any 3/3.5e products that go into more detail about running kingdoms and countries than just building castles and mass combat? I know that in oD&D's "Rules Cyclopedia", there's a section on Strongholds & Dominions, including resources, taxes, visiting nobles, confidence and possible uprisings, and the like. But that's a wee bit old by now...

Volkov
2009-09-12, 09:14 AM
How much of an affect would 1-10,000,000 men have on the blood war if I were to send them against the Demons during a major devil offensive?

ZeroNumerous
2009-09-12, 09:15 AM
Well, theres a difference between genuinely worshiping someone, and just doing it because they tell you to.

Thrallherd. They truly worship you as a god.

Undead Leadership. Again, truly worship you as a god.

Besides, it only takes one to two generation of psychological and sociological conditioning before the children are genuinely worshiping you as a god. The fact of the matter is that having this many followers guarantees your godhood. Whether now or a hundred years into the future.


As for me, I'd have them all fight in a giant free-for-all to the death, Then breed with the winner.

And if the winner is a eunuch or sterile?

EDIT:


How much of an affect would 1-10,000,000 men have on the blood war if I were to send them against the Demons during a major devil offensive?

None. 10,000,000 1st level warriors, adepts or experts couldn't defeat the literally infinite number of Dretches (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm#dretch). Little lone an equal number of dretches.

thefinalbattle
2009-09-12, 09:20 AM
give them all wizard levels, have them summon demons, and then destroy demogorgon. do the same with orcus, then proceed to dominate all of creation. charge a monthly tax for existence. use your infinity GP to construct a dungeon that no-one could ever exit alive. take the magic items of all who die within. become a ruthless tyrant over the multiverse.

Volkov
2009-09-12, 09:21 AM
Thrallherd. They truly worship you as a god.

Undead Leadership. Again, truly worship you as a god.

Besides, it only takes one to two generation of psychological and sociological conditioning before the children are genuinely worshiping you as a god. The fact of the matter is that having this many followers guarantees your godhood. Whether now or a hundred years into the future.



And if the winner is a eunuch or sterile?
The undead don't worship the person who is using magic/psionics/technology/biological powers/insert type of powerful force here or rebuking to command them, they are being forced to do so. In fact, undead typically loathe those who command them in such a manner.

Now undead who create spawn that are enslaved to their will such as vampires or wraiths, typically have true affection and adoration of their spawn and would literally fall out of orbit in space and burn up via re-entry if their master told them to, but the instant the spawner relinquishes them from command, if I remember the libris mortis correctly, the affection ends and the freed undead begins to hate his spawner for using him like a tool.

Yora
2009-09-12, 10:02 AM
give them all wizard levels, have them summon demons, and then destroy demogorgon. do the same with orcus, then proceed to dominate all of creation. charge a monthly tax for existence. use your infinity GP to construct a dungeon that no-one could ever exit alive. take the magic items of all who die within. become a ruthless tyrant over the multiverse.
I think any of the Demon Princes can field a horde of demons of a similar size, and are still unable to defeat each other. A mortal wizard wouldn't do much better.

Gamerlord
2009-09-12, 10:24 AM
Train each of them to become CoDzillas.

Volkov
2009-09-12, 10:32 AM
Thrallherd. They truly worship you as a god.

Undead Leadership. Again, truly worship you as a god.

Besides, it only takes one to two generation of psychological and sociological conditioning before the children are genuinely worshiping you as a god. The fact of the matter is that having this many followers guarantees your godhood. Whether now or a hundred years into the future.



And if the winner is a eunuch or sterile?

EDIT:



None. 10,000,000 1st level warriors, adepts or experts couldn't defeat the literally infinite number of Dretches (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm#dretch). Little lone an equal number of dretches.

But Devils can have an affect with finite numbers of lemures, legion devils, and other low hit dice creatures.

shadow_archmagi
2009-09-12, 10:59 AM
1. Distribute many Decks Of Many Things, along with Rods of Wonder.

2. Activate all of them at once, in a single place.

3. ????

4. ????

5. ????

6. ????

7. ????

8. ????

9. Begin selling bottled normalcy at exorbitant prices.

Vizzerdrix
2009-09-12, 11:21 AM
None. 10,000,000 1st level warriors, adepts or experts couldn't defeat the literally infinite number of Dretches (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm#dretch). Little lone an equal number of dretches.

So infect some with lycanthropy, and make some into spellstitched Necropolitians (sp?).


Huzzah for templates!

Randel
2009-09-12, 10:03 PM
Wait, if you are a kobold then its possible that you have kobold followers.

And kobolds are related to dragons.

Soo... if you want, you could cast Polymorph any Object (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/polymorphAnyObject.htm) and probably turn them into something nasty like a http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/dragonEpic.htm#prismaticDragon dragon. and it could be permanent.

Not sure what the biggest dragon you could permanently polymorph a kobold into but you are epic level so you could probably create an Epic Spell or something.

Just polymorph all your kobold followers into giant dragons and take revenge on all the humans who have hunted and slain them for XP over the years!

Once you've shown the ability to turn kobolds into dragons, all the other kobolds in the world will be rushing to you to become your followers! Use your army of loyal dragons to crush any and all who oppose you... and take over the world. With your ability to turn kobolds into dragons and creating a massive cult-like following you could turn the world into a bizzaro-world!

Villages are filled with kobolds who walk around without a care while all the humans, elves, and halflings are hiding in dungeons and caves where the dragons can't get them.

Dragons protect villages and farms while knights in shining armor rush at the poor little kobold farmers and try to steal bags of vegetables for food.

Kobolds become the most feared monster due to their dragon-buddies who are smacking around all the trolls and other things who try to push them around!


Since Polymorph any Object targets a single creature per casting then it would take a long time to turn 40,000 followers into dragons... it would most likely be a ceremony of sorts where every day the most worthy kobolds come to you and receive your blessing. You might want to get some sort of system going where you can get 8th level Pearls of Power made for you. That way you'll have more spell slots to use to create dragons per day.

Since kobolds breed rapidly, you have a basically unlimited number of subjects to turn into dragons so the only limit is the number of 9th level spells you can (or feel like) using per day to create your dragon army. Get some of your followers to learn the spell so they can pitch in and get the polymorphed dragons to start laying eggs as fast as possible.

oxinabox
2009-09-13, 04:41 AM
Get More. You don;t have nearly enough.

Maybe Train all of then into Druids, with Wild Cohort, who's animal companions and Wild Cohorts have Wild Cohort.
as was done by Tiki Snakes (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6869157#post6869157)
Now You have N followers and ~4N wolves (IIRC)
So Now you walk up the the Lady of Pain and say:
"Bring it!"
and Lose, so bad.

Can't you make a hivemind?
even without magic you should be able to do it via...
by applying an Coniousness algorithm to them.
See all of them doing Aid Aid another on you and take 20 on the Knowledge/INT Check.


Destroy the planet (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Discussion:What_is_the_hp_of%2C_oo oh%2C_a_mountain%3F&t=20080414095648) by having them all hit it with addimatium thimbles, till you did surfience damage.

Yora
2009-09-13, 04:48 AM
So Now you walk up the the Lady of Pain and say:
"Bring it!"
and Lose, so bad.

Probably. :smallbiggrin:

Forevernade
2009-09-13, 05:58 AM
Wait, if you are a kobold then its possible that you have kobold followers.

And kobolds are related to dragons.

Soo... if you want, you could cast Polymorph any Object (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/polymorphAnyObject.htm) and probably turn them into something nasty like a http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/dragonEpic.htm#prismaticDragon dragon. and it could be permanent.

Not sure what the biggest dragon you could permanently polymorph a kobold into but you are epic level so you could probably create an Epic Spell or something.

Just polymorph all your kobold followers into giant dragons and take revenge on all the humans who have hunted and slain them for XP over the years!

Once you've shown the ability to turn kobolds into dragons, all the other kobolds in the world will be rushing to you to become your followers! Use your army of loyal dragons to crush any and all who oppose you... and take over the world. With your ability to turn kobolds into dragons and creating a massive cult-like following you could turn the world into a bizzaro-world!

Villages are filled with kobolds who walk around without a care while all the humans, elves, and halflings are hiding in dungeons and caves where the dragons can't get them.

Dragons protect villages and farms while knights in shining armor rush at the poor little kobold farmers and try to steal bags of vegetables for food.

Kobolds become the most feared monster due to their dragon-buddies who are smacking around all the trolls and other things who try to push them around!


Since Polymorph any Object targets a single creature per casting then it would take a long time to turn 40,000 followers into dragons... it would most likely be a ceremony of sorts where every day the most worthy kobolds come to you and receive your blessing. You might want to get some sort of system going where you can get 8th level Pearls of Power made for you. That way you'll have more spell slots to use to create dragons per day.

Since kobolds breed rapidly, you have a basically unlimited number of subjects to turn into dragons so the only limit is the number of 9th level spells you can (or feel like) using per day to create your dragon army. Get some of your followers to learn the spell so they can pitch in and get the polymorphed dragons to start laying eggs as fast as possible.

This is epic. If I ever get to epic in a campaign, I will be doing this!

Gamerlord
2009-09-13, 09:41 AM
I have another idea, sacrifice the 40,000 followers so that they not only transform you into a powerful demon, but also begin a year of doom and destruction, where portals to hostile planes such as the abyss open to bring forth armies of doom, the forests wither and the undead rise, once wonderful mountains transform into merciless volcanoes and transform the surrounding land into a hell scape, and you shall rule over this dead world. Even the dragons shall fall into a dark age, empires shall be reduced to ruins where only barbaric orcs and kobolds lurk, seeking to find ancient artifacts to empower YOU, their dark master, you shall be called omegaron, the destroyer of the material plane, and you shall be king!

Pie Guy
2009-09-13, 10:05 AM
Open a chain of coffeeshops?

Kyrthain
2009-09-13, 03:20 PM
Make them all kobolds with slight build (Can they share your space? If not, give them swarmfighting) Then give them all the feat constant guardian from Drow of the Underdark. You now have +80,000 ac kobold armor