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Maryring
2009-09-18, 04:48 PM
A friend of mine asked me to recreate a werewolf character from a story of mine into a DnD character, but I've hit a small problem. One of the defining traits of the werewolf in the story was his blood-drinking, but I'm having a hard time recreating that without making him a werepyre of sorts, which doesn't fit with his flavour at all. So my question is

Is there any way to get improved grab and constitution damage/drain without using vampire templates?

Thanks in Advance.

Yora
2009-09-18, 04:49 PM
There's the quick and dirty fix for gms:

Houserule a custom lycanthrope variant that is the same as a standard lycanthrope, but has a vampires blood drain ability. :smallbiggrin:

quick_comment
2009-09-18, 04:51 PM
Half Vampire (LA 2) is in LM. It gets improved init as a bonus feat, one of several special qualities (you can get blood drain) and DR 5/Silver. Notably, it is not undead.

Edit: Also, you dont have vampirism per say, you are just the offspring of a vampire and mortal. Yes, its even worse than being a half-orc

Alleine
2009-09-18, 04:58 PM
Libris Mortis has a vampire fang graft that allows you to deal con damage on each successful grapple attempt, and each automatically each turn someone is pinned. The only problem is it costs 25000 gp.

Starbuck_II
2009-09-18, 05:15 PM
Be a wereDire Weasel but reflavor it as a wolf?

Weasel can drink blood.


Blood Drain (Ex)
A dire weasel drains blood for 1d4 points of Constitution damage each round it remains attached.

Abiliy score why hybrid = +4 Str, +8 Dex. 3 HD from animal.

So you don't get a Con bonus like a Werewolf but a Were Dire Weasel is better in Dex and Str.

Lycanthromancer
2009-09-18, 05:16 PM
Play a reflavored were-weasel? They get Con drain if they can latch on.

[edit] Vampired! Ninja'd!

Maryring
2009-09-18, 05:17 PM
Hmm, that graft might work since it's supposed to be a natural part of him. I already do consider just statting out the storywise base-race, but the GM is obviously quite hesitant to include a whole new race just to use it on one character.

Nerocite
2009-09-18, 05:20 PM
Hooded Pupil (From Libris Mortis) can drink blood.

Lycanthromancer
2009-09-18, 05:23 PM
Hmm, that graft might work since it's supposed to be a natural part of him. I already do consider just statting out the storywise base-race, but the GM is obviously quite hesitant to include a whole new race just to use it on one character.

Lycanthropy is a template, with explicit rules on how to make them from other animals. Go for it.

Dixieboy
2009-09-18, 05:24 PM
Hooded Pupil (From Libris Mortis) can drink blood.

The flavor is a bit iffy though.

Lycanthromancer
2009-09-18, 05:26 PM
The flavor is a bit iffy though.

Fluff is mutable.

Starbuck_II
2009-09-18, 05:31 PM
The evil alignment sucks, but werewolf are evil too so no difference.

Maryring
2009-09-18, 05:33 PM
Ah. Yeah that's another problem. This guy is strictly neutral.

Dixieboy
2009-09-18, 05:39 PM
Ah. Yeah that's another problem. This guy is strictly neutral.

Isn't that like impossible while being a lycanthrope?

Maryring
2009-09-18, 05:41 PM
If you're infected, general flavour dictates that you eventually become a bloodthirsty killer who eats everyone in sight. If you're born with it, you've got no alignment inhibitors.

Starbuck_II
2009-09-18, 05:57 PM
I think Weasels are good or neutral. I mean, have you ever heard any evil weasel legends?

Granted, I've heard evil bear stories so why were Bears LG?

Lycanthromancer
2009-09-18, 06:39 PM
Lycanthropes should all be neutral (or at least retain their previous alignments).

Those nasty shapeshifting demons have given them a bad rep.

Haarkla
2009-09-18, 10:35 PM
I think Weasels are good or neutral. I mean, have you ever heard any evil weasel legends?
Wind in the Willows.

Forevernade
2009-09-18, 11:55 PM
Wind in the Willows.

Ahahahha that's funny.

Admiral Squish
2009-09-18, 11:58 PM
I think Weasels are good or neutral. I mean, have you ever heard any evil weasel legends?

Granted, I've heard evil bear stories so why were Bears LG?

A majority of weasels are evil in redwall, if memory serves.

Forbiddenwar
2009-09-19, 12:46 AM
Why not just add "Wounding" ability to his bite attack? Done and done.

Leon
2009-09-19, 01:31 AM
Isn't that like impossible while being a lycanthrope?

By DnD Standards - Wereboars are Neutral

GallóglachMaxim
2009-09-22, 06:20 AM
I think Weasels are good or neutral. I mean, have you ever heard any evil weasel legends?

I'd suggest Chaotic Neutral for an afflicted wereweasel. Maximum amount of crazy.

Cyclocone
2009-09-22, 07:08 AM
Why not just add "Wounding" ability to his bite attack? Done and done.

Seconded, a Kensai Werewolf could do it quite nicely.

Kulture
2009-09-22, 09:44 AM
Since it's technically a natural weapon, see if you can have the vampire teeth graft enchanted with the vampiric weapon enchant.

so it's con damage +d6 health drain.