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Prax4788
2009-09-23, 05:10 AM
Im working on a gestalt halfling

looking in to the halfing paragon


so far i have this

rogue1/halflingparagon3/monk(with feat stacking monk and rogue for sneak attack )//fighter/swashbucker/wisperknife

bases is throwing weapons(shurikens) and sneak attack
so basicaly how can i max attack per round and damage in those attacks
any ideas?

psionics and tome of battle are banned

PinkysBrain
2009-09-23, 05:31 AM
It's never a good idea to make a one trick poney gestalt character and a really good thrower needs to be able to throw a weapon and get it back in his hands immediately (otherwise it just gets way too expensive). So lightning ricochet or telekinetic boomerang. I'd say telekinetic boomerang, since you could use some magic anyway.

Obviously you can use a lot of books ... and yet you aren't even using the obvious thrower prestige class and you are using the monk, you've posted enough here that you should know a little better. Even if you dislike magic that much why not use the master thrower? It feels like you are just asking for monk bashing with this build :)

PhoenixRivers
2009-09-23, 05:40 AM
Halfling
Rogue 15 / Shadowdancer 1 / Swordsage 4
Warblade 5 / Bloodstorm Blade 10 / Warblade 6-10

Take halfling rogue substitution from Races of the wild, for extra sneak with thrown weapons, and reduced snipe penalties, and full attack on snipe ability.

Bloodstorm blade gives you Lightning Ricochet, and the ability to hit every enemy in range as a full round action (should work with free hide on sniping)

Use woodland archer (races of the wild, I believe) for the ability now to full attack, move and hide on a snipe.

Darkstalker helps against supersenses.

Full BAB, strong HP, evasion, good saves, a slew of martial maneuvers (note: BSB is full Initiator level increase for both Warblade and swordsage. This will end Swordsage at IL 16 (8th level maneuvers) and warblade at IL 20 (9th level maneuvers).

So, while you're a throwing specialist, you can certainly throw down melee if need be. The build starts seeing real ranged effectiveness at level 9, with another big boost at level 13, and again at level 15.

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 06:08 AM
Let me explain my idea. Flurry of blows can be used to get more attacks
I have a buffer in the game for spell buffs
And the thrower. Isn't as good as wisperknife.

How can I find Weapons that comeback ?
And if the monk is a bad idea. That what Is a beter one ?

Thanks


O and psionics are banned and so is tome of battle

PinkysBrain
2009-09-23, 06:34 AM
And the thrower. Isn't as good as wisperknife.
Yet it is ... palm throw + weak spot + power throw is the quintessential thrower build. Sneak attack dice are nice to have but less important.

How can I find Weapons that comeback?
Without psionics or ToB it becomes a bit difficult, returning weapons return at the end of the turn ... and you don't want half a dozen weapons to appear in your hand at the same time.

There is one slightly cheesy way, the Blood Wind spell ... lets you do a full attack with your unarmed strikes as ranged weapons.

And if the monk is a bad idea. That what Is a beter one?
I didn't say it was a bad idea, you just seem to be actively avoiding everything really good ... which is curious. This isn't about the monk specifically.

What books can you use?

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 08:10 AM
im not allowed psionics tome of battle
or anything that must be part of a campain setting
exept forgoten realms

other than that i can go nuts

im not avoiding the most usefull just doing a challange to do what i can with raw skill and power


a challage placed by my dm

PinkysBrain
2009-09-23, 08:28 AM
Monk isn't too bad if it progresses your sneak attack, if you really love it go nuts (I just don't see the attraction). I'm not going to lie to you and say the levels are good ... but it won't be truly bad either. Just keep UMD maxed.

Halfling Paragon however is a bit meh ...

Rogue 1/Halfling Paragon 3/Monk X//fighter 2/swashbucker 3/Master Thrower 5/whatever

Feats : TWF chain, power attack, brutal throw, power throw, point blank shot, precise shot, weapon focus (shuriken), rapid shot. Hmm, going to be a bit feat starved there.

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 08:42 AM
Monk isn't too bad if it progresses your sneak attack, if you really love it go nuts (I just don't see the attraction). I'm not going to lie to you and say the levels are good ... but it won't be truly bad either. Just keep UMD maxed.

Halfling Paragon however is a bit meh ...

Rogue 1/Halfling Paragon 3/Monk X//fighter 2/swashbucker 3/Master Thrower 5/whatever

Feats : TWF chain, power attack, brutal throw, power throw, point blank shot, precise shot, weapon focus (shuriken), rapid shot. Hmm, going to be a bit feat starved there.

ah this is the kind of info i need
i guess if i take wisperknife after master thrower it could stack nicly

as for feats i under stand all of them exept these

what is TWF chain and why do u sugest power throw and brutal throw ?
i now realise why i was going ot use my int mod to make up for it
but stacking them i can see being usefull


but this is helping a lot

Godskook
2009-09-23, 08:43 AM
What feat that progresses your sneak attack?

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 08:51 AM
What feat that progresses your sneak attack?

Ascetic rogue :

Monk and rogue levels stack for sneak attack damage

PhoenixRivers
2009-09-23, 08:54 AM
So Gestalt's fine, but ToB and Psionics break the power curve. Alright, I can deal with that, backwards as it may be.

Hm. Very well. Hulking Hurler it is, if he says to "go nuts".

Half Ogre (2) / Fighter 4 / Hulking Hurler 3 / War Hulk 10 / Frenzied Berserker 1
Barbarian 2 / Wu Jen 15 / Barbarian 3-5

Fiend Folio has a graft which allows you to count as a quadruped.
Magic Item Compendium has a belt in the set section that doubles your carrying capacity.
Natural Heavyweight from Manual of the Planes (with 3.5 update) doubles your carrying capacity.
Practiced Spellcaster will give you, at level 19, CL 19 for Wu Jen.
Giant Size will enlarge you to colossal and give you a +32 Strength.
Focus on strength boost items, and throw rocks for 1000 damage for fun.

Note: This build will find it hard to have a strength less than 70, when all is said and done.

PinkysBrain
2009-09-23, 08:55 AM
what is TWF chain
Two Weapon Fighting feats, you can throw with both hands.

and why do u sugest power throw and brutal throw ?
Brutal throw is a prerequisite, but power throw is there so you can power attack with thrown weapons.

Weak Spot from master thrower lets you use touch AC for your attacks, but you won't get strength to damage, this makes it easy to hit stuff ... which means power attacking becomes attractive.

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 09:04 AM
So Gestalt's fine, but ToB and Psionics break the power curve. Alright, I can deal with that, backwards as it may be.

Hm. Very well. Hulking Hurler it is, if he says to "go nuts".

Half Ogre (2) / Fighter 4 / Hulking Hurler 3 / War Hulk 10 / Frenzied Berserker 1
Barbarian 2 / Wu Jen 15 / Barbarian 3-5

Fiend Folio has a graft which allows you to count as a quadruped.
Magic Item Compendium has a belt in the set section that doubles your carrying capacity.
Natural Heavyweight from Manual of the Planes (with 3.5 update) doubles your carrying capacity.
Practiced Spellcaster will give you, at level 19, CL 19 for Wu Jen.
Giant Size will enlarge you to colossal and give you a +32 Strength.
Focus on strength boost items, and throw rocks for 1000 damage for fun.

Note: This build will find it hard to have a strength less than 70, when all is said and done.

i must admit that is 100% legal in his game and its awsome
but i would like to remain halfling if i can (no reason other than persnal fav)
but daam strong build

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 09:08 AM
Of corse if i really wanted to break the game couldnt i just do a mix of dragon desiple/monk/FotF/primitive/warshaper ?

so i get con wis and dex upgrades that all go staight to ac ?
i dont atwaly want to do this build just wondering how broken this would be

PinkysBrain
2009-09-23, 09:09 AM
As far as damage is concerned you can't break it harder than the hulking hurler without going infinite.

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 09:10 AM
As far as damage is concerned you can't break it harder than the hulking hurler without going infinite.

ah and all of a sunden pun pun the mighty comes to mind

woodenbandman
2009-09-23, 10:01 AM
Duskblade4/Warblade4

Trust me, you'll thank me later.

Progression:

Duskblade5-13, Wyrm Wizard1-7 OR Dusblade3/Wizard3/Ultimate Magus 10/whatnot
Warblade5, Bloodstorm Blade 1-4, Master Thrower1, Bloodstorm Blade 5-10, whatever.

At level 4 you are really less of a thrower than you'd probably like to be. Hang in until level 7, when your throwing really picks up. You can use a 2 handed power attack with your throws at that level AND channel a spell through it. Normally I'd suggest you get out of BSB at level 4, but Blade Storm is AMAZING for a duskblade. With Blade Storm, you don't even need to go to 13th level duskblade if you don't want, because you are specifically making one attack, but it is effecting everyone. Master thrower is also not strictly necessary.

EDIT: WHY DO YOU NOT PUT THIS IN THE ORIGINAL POST THAT TOB IS BANNED!

PinkysBrain
2009-09-23, 10:24 AM
ah and all of a sunden pun pun the mighty comes to mind
As I said "without going infinite".

PS. doing less than infinite damage with a build which can do infinite damage isn't really a valid counterpoint :)

Prax4788
2009-09-23, 10:41 AM
As I said "without going infinite".

PS. doing less than infinite damage with a build which can do infinite damage isn't really a valid counterpoint :)

it wasnt a counterpoint i was agreeing with you

Godskook
2009-09-23, 11:18 AM
Ascetic rogue :

Monk and rogue levels stack for sneak attack damage

From Complete Adventurer? The table is wrong, the feat doesn't do that by RAW...

Prax4788
2009-09-24, 12:54 AM
From Complete Adventurer? The table is wrong, the feat doesn't do that by RAW...

im confused than? cause i just coppied what it said

how is it supost to work

Ernir
2009-09-24, 05:51 AM
It allows you to multiclass freely between monk and rogue, add 2 to the DC of stunning fist attacks delivered with a SA, and stack monk and rogue levels for the purpose of unarmed damage.

Prax4788
2009-09-24, 06:17 AM
ok lets make this easy

i want to play a halfling (or similar small race i.e. kobolt goblin)

and give me a truly powerfull build
just dont use the books that are banned

all complete books are allowed
oriental adventures is allowed
all compain books are allowed as long as the stuff dosnt need that setting (ie no artificers no dragon marks so on)

and please no pun pun .....lets have some real fun