Arena Tournament, Round 70: Mad Al vs. Ffnir

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Arena Tournament, Round 70: Mad Al vs. Ffnir

Map:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/Kyeudo/CloudArena.jpg


XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

Mad Al (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=6774) - Psionic Dog
Ffnir (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=153422) - Daggaz

All Gladiators, please declare final purchases (if any) and roll for initiative.

[daggaz]

Ffnir checking in..

Initiative [roll]1d20-2[(/roll]

[daggaz]

Gahhh...

Initiative [roll0]

*laughs* Thats 2 for 2 that Ive rolled a three on init with this guy.. Bought a MW weapon before the fight with my last winnings + change, no new purchases or reactive purchases as Im almost broke.

[Psionic Dog]

I think Al can beat that one.
[roll0]

Now, on to shopping.
Al buys:
2x Powerstone[Force Screen] = 50gp
1x soft moccasins (masterwork move silently tool) = 50gp
1x gray cloak (masterwork hide tool) = 50 gp
Total: 150gp

Now updating sheet to reflect past victory and above purchases.
Ready for us to start?

[daggaz]

Ready when you are.. dont need a ref to take your first action :smallwink:

[Psionic Dog]

Ok, on we go!

Mad Al - Round 1


Start in M-2 holding a power-stone(force screen) and a crossbow loaded with a masterwork bolt.

Standard: Manifest Force Screen (opt to manifest quietly)
Move: Slink over to L-8

[roll0] (includes -5 for full speed)
[roll1] (include -5 for full speed)

And just in case...
[roll2]
[roll=Reactive Listen]1d20+

Done.

Stats
Location: L-8 (hiding)

HP: 7/7
AC: 23 (+3 armor +4 shield +4 dex +1 nat +1 size)
PP: 4/4
Psi-like ability: 1/1
Psionic Focus: Yes

[daggaz]

My net is killing me here.. sorry.

refs
Start in M-25 with spiked chain in hand. Move to M-19, if I dont see him, move to L-13 and hide in the clouds.

move silently [roll0] including -5 for moving at speed
hide [roll1] including -5 for moving at speed

reactive spot [roll2]
reactive listen [roll3]

Edited to fix my spoiler tags!! :smalleek::smalleek: ..and stat block. sorry bit new to the arena. =(

stats

HP 14/14
AC 18, FF 14, TCH 14


Turn Done. Need LOS check I believe..

[Lubirio]

refs:
Players rolled everything, though Mad Al's listen didn't register:
[roll0]

Mad Al:
You someone moving somewhere to your eastern direction.

Ffnir:
No LoS.

[Psionic Dog]

Mad Al - Round 2

Ffnir to the east. Big surprise.

So... either Al failed his spot or Ffnir only moved 50 ft, likely before readying an action.

Al takes a 5-ft step up to K-9 and readies an action.
Fighting defensively, fire a wild-surged EnergyRay(electric) if Al sees Ffnir within 30ft of himself.
[roll0]
[roll1]

If needed,
[roll2]
[roll3]

Done.

Stats
Location: K-9 (hiding)

HP: 7/7
AC: 23 (+3 armor +4 shield +4 dex +1 nat +1 size)
PP: 4/4
Psi-like ability: 1/1
Psionic Focus: Yes

[daggaz]

Ffnirr the Cat-Dog Barbarian, Round 2


God I hate clouds, even if they are probably the only thing keeping me alive against Mr Energy Ray in this arena.. :smalleek:

Five foot step to K-13 and rehide. Ready an action to attack him if he moves into my view. Btw.. I notice everybody does it themselves, but shouldn't hide and move silent technically be rolled by the refs? So you dont see your ones and twos and all? Or we just change it to speed things up?

hide [roll0]
move silently [roll1]

reactive spot [roll2]
reactive listen [roll3]

Done.

stats
HP 14/14
AC 18 FF 14 TCH 14

Hmm and need an LoS again. Yay clouds! :smallsigh:

[Ganurath]

Mad Al:
Whoever you saw now evades your notice, having vanished into the forbidding mists.

(No LoS)

Ffnir:
You have yet to see a sign of whatever threat may lurk among the clouds.

(No LoS)

[daggaz]

refs question
Gah, just noticed I wrote the wrong square for my last move, I had wanted to move to K-12 but I go all blurry and cross eyed when I look at these grids late at night.. is it too late/not allowed to change that last move??

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo


refs question
Gah, just noticed I wrote the wrong square for my last move, I had wanted to move to K-12 but I go all blurry and cross eyed when I look at these grids late at night.. is it too late/not allowed to change that last move??



The move was legal, even if it wasn't what you intended, so it stands.


Carry on.

[Psionic Dog]

ref question
Ganurath implied that Al at one point did see Ffnir.

Since Lubirio only mentioned that Al heard something (At least I took: "You someone moving somewhere to your eastern direction." as a listen result since spots are generally all-or-nothing) I'd like to be certain about what Al did or didn't see.

So just to be sure I understand this, at any time thusfar in the match has Al seen Ffnir? If so when and where?

[Lubirio]

Mad Al:
Ganurath may have only read the post of your turn and thought you saw him because you said "Ffnir to the east. Big surprise." You did not see anything, barely even making the listen check, as the vague description implied. Unless you can see through several squares of clouds that is. :smallwink:

[Psionic Dog]

...it's Al's turn isn't it? :smallredface:

Mad Al - round 3

Fighting defensively, Al sneaks 20 ft to K-13, then down to L-14 and back to L-13 where he readies an attack action:
Blast Ffnir with a wild-surged electric energy ray if he:
-Al spots Ffnir within 30ft without cover
-Al sees Ffnir start to move out of LoS or out of Range
-Al sees Ffnir end turn within 30ft

Will of course revise if LoS was established.

[roll0] (including -5 full speed)
[roll1] (including -5 full speed)

And just in case,
[roll2]
[roll3]

If no LoS, then Done.

Stats
Location: L-13 (hiding)

HP: 7/7
AC: 26 (+3 armor +4 shield +4 dex +1 nat +1 size +3defensive fighting)
PP: 4/4
Psi-like ability: 1/1
Psionic Focus: Yes

[daggaz]

Huh so can I go or do I need to wait fer your LoS check? :smallconfused:

[daggaz]

Blugh.. stupid clouds. Can always retcon things if we ever actually even find eachother in this damn arena.. :smallsigh: :smallfrown:

Ffnirr the Cat-Dog Barbarian Round 3

Five foot step to K-12 this time, hide and if I dont see him, ready an action to attack Mad Al if he moves into my view. Otherwise kill kill kill.

Hide [roll0]
MS [roll1]
r. spot [roll2]
r. listen [roll3]

Stats

HP 14
AC 18 FF 14 TCH 14


Done

[daggaz]

This game is getting overdue for an LoS check...

[madtinker]

@refsHhm...you get a reactive spot whenever you get a new opportunity to see your opponent, right? So Mad Al should see Ffnir before they actually bump into each other. However, Ffnir did not beat Mad Al's hide, so...

Rewind, still Mad Al's Round 3 turn.

@Mad Alwhen you get to K12, you see your opponent in K13

@FfnirNo LoS

Thanks to all gladiators for posting reactive spot and listen, it really speeds things up. I have not seen DQs enforced if one is waiting on a LoS. It might be good to remind the opponent via waiting room or PM, and you can always ask for LoS for the other guy if you think he needs it.

[Psionic Dog]

@Refs
What is my opponent holding?

Also, is he in a defensive stance or holding a readied action?

[Sallera]

Psidog:He's holding a spiked chain, not in a defensive stance. As per (recently clarified) precedent, you cannot tell whether he has a readied action or not.

[Psionic Dog]

@Refs
Huh, that's new.
As a fellow ref mind giving me a link to that precedent? I'd like to know if for no other reason than to not make mistakes when giving out LoS checks myself for others.

Mad Al Continued
Al readies an action:
Fighting defensively, fire a wild-surged electric energy ray at Ffnir as soon as he starts his turn.


Done.

As soon as Ffnir's turn starts, Al has a readied action that triggers:
Psicraft DC 16Wildsurged Energy Ray (electric)
[roll0] dazed 1-10
+3 attack bonus for opponent having metallic armor included.

[roll1]
[roll2]
[roll3] (misses 1-20)
[roll4] (misses 1-20)

If Ffnir was aware of Al before this, then take an attack of opportunity.
Otherwise I believe the attack is against Ffnir's flat-footed touch AC.

If Ffnir didn't know where Al was before this, he now sees Al in K-12 just having attacked while fighting defensively

Stats:
Location: K-12 (hiding-at least until his action triggers)

HP: 7/7
AC: 26 (+3 armor +4 shield +4 dex +1 nat +1 size +3defensive fighting)
PP: 4/4
Psi-like ability: 1/1
Psionic Focus: Yes

[Sallera]

Psidog:It's actually quite an old ruling, so I don't have a link, but Kyeudo recently confirmed it for me in the Waiting Room. You can see someone ready an action, you just can't see that they have a readied action.

[daggaz]

If you dont move but want to remain hidden, do you need to roll movesilent? Im assuming you have to reroll hide each round you want to be hidden, even if you stay in one place?

If yes, then 5-foot step to K-12 and if no LoS then ready action to attack again if LoS is made.

If no, want to sit still and keep the same readied action, use the rolls needed then from below as well.

MS [roll0]
Hide [roll1]
R.spot[roll2]
R.listen[roll3]

Done.

Stats
HP 14/14
AC 18 FF 14 TCH 14

[Psionic Dog]

@Ffnir:
You may read the "As soon as Ffnir's turn starts, Al has a readied action that triggers:" spoiler in post #23.

Does the attack hit, and does that change your action?

[daggaz]

How long have you been following me??!:smalleek::smallfrown:

Yeah, it hits if I hadn't seen you, we need a ref for that? All this constant 3rd person LoS checking is confusing.

You hear a yowl accompanied by a whiff of ozone and burned cat-dog hair. Ewww.

Fnnirr lashes out angrily with his spiked chain, hoping to get a lucky shot in before he disappears into the clouds behind him.

Atk [roll0]
Damage [roll1]
Miss on Low [roll2]

moves
Move straight south down to R-13, turn right and move thru the cloud bank to R-10 where I hide.
Hide [roll3] incl. -5 to both for movement
MS [roll4]
rspot [roll5]
rlistent [roll6]

Stats
HP 6/14
AC 18 FF 14 TCH 14

EDIT: typo'd my moves.. and forgot to say Done.

[Psionic Dog]

Post #20 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7079694&postcount=20) is the LoS check where you would have/would not have seen Mad Al, so we don't need a new LoS check for that bit.

Mad Al - Round 4

Did Al see/hear which way Ffnir went?

The reactive/Passive Spot/Listen checks for Al's Round 4 turn:
[roll0]
[roll1]

Not done. New LoS checks needed for Al to (hopefully) find Ffnir again.

[Lubirio]

Mad Al:
You do not hear or see a thing, he seems to have disappeared completely.

[Psionic Dog]

Continued:
Free: 5-ft step to L-13
[roll0]
[roll1]

Move: [roll2]

Standard: Fighting Defensively, Ready Action:
While fighting defensively fire a wild-surged psionic-shot energy ray(electric) if:
•Ffnir approaches within 5ft
•Ffnir attacks Al
•Ffnir is in LoS within 30ft and:
--is without cover
--readies an action
--starts to move out of LoS
--starts to move more than 30ft away
-or- ends turn.

Done.

Stats:
Location: L-13 (hiding)

HP: 7/7
AC: 26 (+3 armor +4 shield +4 dex +1 nat +1 size +3defensive fighting)
PP: 3/4
Psi-like ability: 1/1
Psionic Focus: Yes

[daggaz]

Ffnirr the CatDog, Round 4

LoS
Ffnirr double moves back to Y-9 and hides in the clouds.
Hide [roll0] (moving less than full speed)
MS [roll1]
r.Spot [roll2]
r.Listen [roll3]

done.

Stats


HP 6/14
AC 18 FF 14 TCH 14

[daggaz]

DQ? or what=?

[Psionic Dog]

Ee, looks like I was DQ eligible for an hour there. Luckily for Al I'm back after traveling yesterday. Next turn comming shortly.

Turn posted.

[Psionic Dog]

Ok, sorry for delay.

Mad Al - Round 5

Move sneak-like at half speed to O-14.
[roll0]
[roll1]

If no LoS, then ready action fighting defensively
While fighting defensively fire a wild-surged psionic-shot energy ray(electric) if:
•Ffnir approaches within 5ft
•Ffnir attacks Al
•Ffnir is in LoS within 30ft and:
--is without cover
--readies an action
--starts to move out of LoS
--starts to move more than 30ft away
-or- ends turn.


Done.

Stats:
Location: O-14(hiding)

HP: 7/7
AC: 26 (+3 armor +4 shield +4 dex +1 nat +1 size +3defensive fighting)
PP: 3/4
Psi-like ability: 1/1
Psionic Focus: Yes

[Sallera]

Al:No LoS.

Ffnir:You hear footsteps to the northeast.

[daggaz]

heh. not to be a total d*ck... but.. if you are DQ.. you are DQ.

I mean, if we play by hard raw, and we have hard rules up,...??? an hour late is an hour late. Otherwise, what is the point?

I checked as well the waiting room, and you did not post a latency as per the rules.

[Sallera]

Doesn't matter. You're not DQ'd until a High Ref DQs you, and if you show up before then, you're fine.

[Bayar]

heh. not to be a total d*ck... but.. if you are DQ.. you are DQ.

I mean, if we play by hard raw, and we have hard rules up,...??? an hour late is an hour late. Otherwise, what is the point?

I checked as well the waiting room, and you did not post a latency as per the rules.

Yup, unless a ref calls the match, no DQ would be issued. Play fair and beat his ass. It is more rewarding to kill someone than just seeing him disconnect due to lag.

[Tanaric]

We play by RAW in regards to the way the game works, not the way the arena is run. We don't actively go searching for ways to DQ people, especially when they've already taken their turn.

Edit: C-c-c-combo breaker!

[hustlertwo]

I'll admit it's a tad arbitrary, as this means if the only high refs around happened to like whoever your absent opponent was, or simply couldn't be bothered to do the match call, then your fight could go on indefinitely. But that's the rule as it stands right now, love it or lump it.

[02youeng]

Just feel like quoting Hustler from another match, just incase it takes 5 High Refs [shrugs]


So long as the match wasn't called, you can come back, even if you were over the DQ time limit. Which makes the real time limit for DQs two days+however long it takes you to find a high ref who's...

[Psionic Dog]

... I think that might have been overkill refing. Must have been a slow day for them or something.

Anyway, just a reminder that it is Ffnir's turn.

[Sallera]

High Ref Sallera

Mad Al is the victor, by virtue of not being furry enough to generate a spark of Ref Lightning.