Giant in the Playground Server

[Rutskarn]

Right, so the lads and lasses in the Valve thread have been thinking, and it's time we get our own server. Potatocubed has generously offered to host it (as far as I can tell, anyway), so that's nice of him.

This thread will be for:

--Pitching in

--Discussing Rules

--Appointing Admins

--Doing graphics (i.e., a Welcome to the Server comic in OOTS style)

Possible Rules
1.) No slurs of any kind (including sexual slurs)

2.) No porn.

3.) No hacking unless it's funny.

4.) No spawncamping unless it's funny to both parties.

5.) In general, no micspamming.
Admins
Not decided yet. Potato seems like a good option, Phase and I have some experience, and there are a few other good candidates.

Server Upkeep:

[email protected].

For your consideration: here's a few rules that served us well on the Twenty Sided servers.

No micspamming unless it's music and the rest of the server is cool with that (i.e., an admin playing Yakkety Sax during a gimmick round).

If a gimmick round is in progress (i.e., all spies, all engineers, melee only), all new players must be informed of this. Anyone not playing along should be reported, at which point they are to be given a warning. If a minute passes and they haven't stopped, or if they die and persist in rulebreaking, a kick is in order.

[Illiterate Scribe]

Oooh.

All that sounds pretty good - my 'home servers' are largely micspam, but I can see why people might not appreciate that and the provisions that you've laid out seem very reasonable.

A few things:

sv_pure= 0, 1, or 2? Depends on the playstyle, but a superserious 1 might be too much. Are you worried about mathacking etc? There's a good number of soundpacks/custom hat models/reskins, etc. that are quite good, so maybe 2, and people can petitions you/Phase/Potatocubed ('cause let's face it, you will be admins) to add stuff to the whitelist.

Map rotation? Lawful seemed to get into a monstrous endless loop of ctf_sawmill/koth_sawmill all day every day, and while it was good to play an under-used map, it got wearing very quickly. A generic rotation based around goldrush, dustbowl, badwater, gravelpit and branching out into some of the others (5 cps, and even some hydro) would be good at keeping the server fairly populated, maybe branching out into some customs every now and then? Warpath, frontier, corporation are all pretty solid - garbage day's the first and greatest koth map, and my usual server's been trying out arena_pokemon (http://www.atmuh.com/tf2/maps/arena_pokemon_b1.bsp.bz2), which is one of my favourite arena maps, to be honest. Alternatively, 24/7 orange. :smalltongue:

rtv/votescramble, and all those commands, would be nice.

Finally, one thing I've seen done on some servers which is really fun, but needs some admin involvement, would be theme nights. I've had some great times playing during announcer nights (an admin specs the game with all-talk on, giving boxing/football style commentary on the progress of the game, together with sardonic comments about the players) etc. To tie in with your idea of gimmicks, you could formalise them, and organise themes like 70s micspam/movie night, or whatever. It would mean that


ll new players must be informed of this. Anyone not playing along should be reported, at which point they are to be given a warning. If a minute passes and they haven't stopped, or if they die and persist in rulebreaking, a kick is in order.

would be less of an issue, since it's less likely that you'll just wander in on a gimmick round only to clash with admins/other players. Plus, if you didn't want gimmicks, then you could just avoid them, since they would take place at specific times.

My £0.02. Never admin'd a server, but I've watched the rise, fall, and longevity of a good few, and the above have tended to give rise to the third type.

[onasuma]

Might as well throw it out there, but Id be up for being an admin. Ive had experience on a tfc server, never on tf2 and understand if Im not wanted.

[Steilos]

Hmmm. Interesting. My system is average at the best of times so I probably won't be able to do much, but sure I'll have a march around in it when it gets going.

[Archangel Yuki]

Will it be no cussing in general, or just no using swear words in insults? Because I don't know how long its been sense you played with me, but I swear like a bandit. I never use it to insult people (at least not seriously. I will in jokes.).

[Thanatos 51-50]

Wait - so we're actually doing this? And Potatocubed is paying, so I don't have to put my paycheck towards it unless I want to?

Sweet!
I'd also LOVE to learn how to admin a server, but have 0 XP in that skill.

Also: Recommend setting up a Clan Pay for donations.

[Rutskarn]

Will it be no cussing in general, or just no using swear words in insults? Because I don't know how long its been sense you played with me, but I swear like a bandit. I never use it to insult people (at least not seriously. I will in jokes.).

I'd say swearing is permittable.

[potatocubed]

Things:

Since I have a notoriously short attention span, I plan to enable a whole bunch of admins who can take care of as much as possible while I'm doing something totally unrelated for months at a time.

Sourcemod, including all your rtv and votescramble wotsits, will be installed pretty much straight off.

I am a big fan of custom maps, so although it's going to start with the standard Valve rotation installed I plan to add to that with all sorts of junk cadged from tf2maps.net. I figure that so long as rtv is on, you can get away with experiments so long as there's a good core of 'floor-fillers' available.

Maps I like and that will be included: gravelpit, koth_sawmill
Maps I like but might be beyond the pale: 2fort_upsidedown
Maps that probably won't make the cut: yukon (man yukon bores me stupid), that arena/koth one with the supercollider

(Not an exhaustive list.)

Also, 2fort: yea or nay?

The only rule I tend to enforce when someone lets me wield the banhammer is "Don't be a ****." It's like a tape measure, in that it's a very flexible rule and difficult to argue with. That said, a set of general guidelines on the splash screen is a good idea.

I don't know what sv_pure is.

People who volunteered to be admins in the other thread include Nano, KBF, Faulty, and probably some others. I am totally having admin powers, mainly so I can screw with map rotations and ban people I don't like.

Setting up the paypal thingy now.

[Thanatos 51-50]

I'd say swearing is permittable.

Within reason, one hopes? I'm a Sailor, I can swear and withstand lots of swearing, but GitP is PG-13, so methinks we should keep the language PG-13.
/myopinion

[wojonatior]

I could be useful as an admin, because of how often I am in steam. But I would have to consciously manage myself and stay reasonable. But I think I would be able to do it.(I know I probably won't be picked.)

[Dragor]

I can swear like a sailor. I can't help it, I'm British, 'kay? :smalltongue:

Just kidding. Server rules are server rules.

[wojonatior]

Some of those times I get REALLY :smallfurious: I will swear, but most of the time is will just yell, then cut myself off before cursing.:smalltongue:

[Rutskarn]

Within reason, one hopes? I'm a Sailor, I can swear and withstand lots of swearing, but GitP is PG-13, so methinks we should keep the language PG-13.
/myopinion

I dunno--I find that when you get people loose into a fast-paced murdering frenzy, it's hard to get them to tone down their language. Might be best to just come down on chronic language abuse by approaching it situation by situation.

Also, here are two plugins we need.

--Mani admin plugin--allows one to create an admin console. Frankly necessary for easy banning.

--A plugin that allows players to view the source of any given spray.

[potatocubed]

The server fund address is [email protected].

It'll be a few days before my bank account is verified, though.

I'll sort out plugins and wotnot as soon as the server is up and I have a console to muck about with. I've never done this before, so I'm learning by doing.

I have no problem with swearing. Insults and abuse are another matter, though, and should be punished by hacking the offender's Steam account, finding their address, then going to their house and kicking them in the balls.

[wojonatior]

Also, here are two plugins we need.

--Mani admin plugin--allows one to create an admin console. Frankly necessary for easy banning.

--A plugin that allows players to view the source of any given spray.

Another extreemly important one, is the one that has the steam ID number logged whenever somebody joins and exits, so then they can be banned even if they leave.

[Faulty]

I will be happy to help out, obviously.

[onasuma]

Within reason, one hopes? I'm a Sailor, I can swear and withstand lots of swearing, but GitP is PG-13, so methinks we should keep the language PG-13.
/myopinion

I can see where you are coming from, but TF2 isnt PG-13, its a 16+. That means if they are playing this game, they should be mature enough to manage the occasional f***.


On the maps topic, the following are required: Great Heights, cashworks, cranetop, very tall tower (its not quite realeased yet though...) and GARBAGE DAY.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

You boys need a "Welcome to the Server" message done OotS style? What, specifically, would you like it to look like? I'm game to take a whack at it...

[Fawkes]

All official Valve maps need to be enabled, but they don't necessarily have to be included in the rotation.

I'd also like to put myself forward for the position of admin.

[Drascin]

Sounds pretty cool. I might swing by every now and then if you don't mind total noobs (because I suck so much I show in starcharts as a black hole :smallsigh:).

[Crispy Dave]

*has admin experience*


This is great I was considering once I got my home server setting it up as a GITP server, but I guess I don't need to anymore.

[KBF]

One thing we might want to consider is that The Giant is (understandably) protective of his name/site/brand. We might want to consider sending an email asking for permission, or just label it the ChHa server. I'd like to see Rutskarn's freakish artwork on the opening screen instead anyway, but that's personal opinion.

I think we might want to consider only miking people with mics admin. This is coming from a mute, so don't feel too bad. Admins are just much more effective with mics. Policy should definitely be layed out kore than "don't be an asshat" because that means different things to different people. For a lot of people, it means micspamming or even calling people homosexual in a genuinely insulting manner is okay as long as you don't spawncamp or go on an insult rant. Obviously, that's not what we do here and I'd like to avoid mixups.

Faulty should definitely be made admin. He's probaby the most qualified in GitP. He uses mic often and humanely, he's very patient with newbs and jerks alike, and he doesn't take my anime obsession that I bug him with too seriously, so I know he won't freak out when someone disrespects him, which I've seen happen on a lot of small servers in the past. If I had to pick one person here to be admin, including myself, I'd pick him. Also, directly contradictory to what I just said and repeated twice, I'd like to be eligible for admin just because I'm often on at night when most GitP aren't on. Of course, only if I can actually get a mic which I should be soon. I'd either make myself an admin or someone with an odd timezone that can cover when everyone else is offline, likely Thanatos or Dizpozition.

[Faulty]

I actually have admin experience as well. I was admin on a L4D server.


Faulty should definitely be made admin. He's probaby the most qualified in GitP. He uses mic often and humanely, he's very patient with newbs and jerks alike, and he doesn't take my anime obsession that I bug him with too seriously, so I know he won't freak out when someone disrespects him, which I've seen happen on a lot of small servers in the past. If I had to pick one person here to be admin, including myself, I'd pick him. Also, directly contradictory to what I just said and repeated twice, I'd like to be eligible for admin just because I'm often on at night when most GitP aren't on. Of course, only if I can actually get a mic which I should be soon. I'd either make myself an admin or someone with an odd timezone that can cover when everyone else is offline, likely Thanatos or Dizpozition.

Little does he know, I plan to take control of this server first, and then all the servers in the world, to wipe out anime sprays forever!

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Crispy Dave]

I just thought that we should probably have Admins from each timezone so that just about any time of day someone who is an admin would be available.

[Rutskarn]

If it would make things go smoother, I'd be happy to lend the Chocolate Hammer brand to the server. I wouldn't claim any particular authority/responsibility over the server because of this title, though--Potatocubed would still be the proprietor and host.

[Faulty]

I'm EST (-5:00) both at school and at home.

[KBF]

I just thought that we should probably have Admins from each timezone so that just about any time of day someone who is an admin would be available.

Well, timezone isn't the only factor is when someone is available to admin. We should try to cover more general times instead of one from each country.

But.. If we DO get one person from each country.. We could summon CAPTAIN PLANET.




Little does he know, I plan to take control of this server first, and then all the servers in the world, to wipe out anime sprays forever!

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

You fiend! You'll never get away with it! You're far too attached to your tuna spray!

The recommendation stands, though. Is anyone actually opposed in any way to Faulty getting admin?
No? Good.

[Joran]

I'd like to be an admin, but I'm frankly not on enough to probably justify it. I consider myself pretty even-keeled, have no experience, but would like to start gaining some. I'd willing to mic myself more often if I do become an admin.

I'm willing to donate between $5-10 a month to keep the server going; how are we transferring the money? Any shot we can do it in a way that doesn't have any transaction fees?

[Phase]

We're doing this? For reals? Dammit.

That's gonna be hard to juggle. I love playing with you lot, but I'm always going to have an obligation to the D20 servers. The community there is well-established, cohesive, and playful, plus Rutskarn and I make up two-thirds of the active admins.

I was actually against such a split, mostly for personal reasons, I'll admit, but it would also separate roughly a third of the regular customers on the D20 server from the pack.

This is hard. I need thinking time...

[KBF]

We're doing this? For reals? Dammit.
*snip*
This is hard. I need thinking time...

I think the idea is that as a server, d20 is one of the worst to be dedicated to. It goes down every week for some nonsense reason that other servers clear up in an hour, there's quite simply not enough admins (it gets pretty bad when you and Rutskarn are off) and it's owner doesn't really pay any attention to it at all.

Another benefit of doing a Chocolate Hammer server would be that d20s wouldn't feel quite so out of place, so hopefully they'll come play with us when Lawful is crap for one reason or another.

[Phase]

I... I think I'll wait for Rutskarn's opinion, he's even more integral to D20, and I am nothing if not his loyal toady.

[potatocubed]

I'm willing to donate between $5-10 a month to keep the server going; how are we transferring the money? Any shot we can do it in a way that doesn't have any transaction fees?

The current plan is to Paypal the $$$ to the address mentioned in the first post. The transaction fees should all land on my end, I think, since I'm the one receiving the money. I'm okay with absorbing a chunk of the cost for the server, so it doesn't bother me that much. (I just don't want to absorb all of it.)

I don't know what other options are available. If you know any, let me know and we'll see about switching.

Regarding the GitP brand... I hadn't thought of that. There's no point in asking Mr. Burlew for permission, because the answer will be 'no', so if it's okay with Rutskarn let's co-opt the Chocolate Hammer/ChHa name and avoid any potential unpleasantness.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Regarding the GitP brand... I hadn't thought of that. There's no point in asking Mr. Burlew for permission, because the answer will be 'no', so if it's okay with Rutskarn let's co-opt the Chocolate Hammer/ChHa name and avoid any potential unpleasantness.

We should probably have a back-up name in reserve, just in case. Thoughts?

Also, since everyone else is offering their services, figured I'd throw my name in. If you need an admin who's reliably on TF2 between...oh...9 and around 1ish EST most evenings, is a good problem solver and compromiser, isn't prone to starting any argument more serious than "can one of our 3 snipers go medic for the final push?", won't abuse the power (unless the recipient would find it entertaining), and is ready and willing to learn the ins-and-outs of admining a server (I've had some forum admin experience, and this can't be that much harder...just a few commands to learn), then I'm up for the challenge.

I expect a no, given the number of applicants, but what the hey. Maybe I'll be mistaken. :smallbiggrin:

[Nano]

I'd be perfectly willing - as I said in the Valve thread - to donate ten dollars or so a month to the maintenance of the server, if it's necessary.

I'd also happily help admin the server, if you guys would like - I'm on all day during weekends and all afternoon into the night weekdays, so in the event that someone needs a hearty thwack with the Banhammer I'll likely be available.

Edit: To clarify about my schedule --

If I'm not sleeping weekends I'm on the computer. 5:00 to 11:00 weekdays (GMT - 6) I'll be reliably available.

[KBF]

Well, announcing a ChHa server might count as a full blog post. Hint hint, Rutskarn.

We've got Rutskarn's permission to use the Chocolate Hammer label, which already was our backup name, so we don't need to find another. I recommend checking it out if you don't already read it. (http://chocolatehammer.org)

[wojonatior]

Yea...
I consider myself a loyal Rutskarn follower, but i still need to catch up on his blog...:smalltongue:

[Jahkaivah]

Payload Race Lumberyard !

The chaos ensuing when enough players join is glorius, and the giant wall that cuts the map up before the game starts is brilliant :smallbiggrin:


Alternatively, 24/7 orange. :smalltongue:


To be honest, it would be nice to have one rendition of one of the better orange maps. I have one in mind, it places the final point on a tower instead of front of spawn so capping it doesn't become a massive pain. Can't remember it's exact name however.

Also what about Arena maps? They are kinda ideal when we don't have alot of people on the server.

Problably not a good idea to put any of those on rotation though.

[Darth Mario]

I would request that anyone who chips at least a certain amount of money in per month be granted at least some admin powers (kick/ban, changemap, that sort of thing).

[KBF]

That doesn't seem like a good policy, Darth. Donate $15 to be admin for a month is generally one of the stupider policies you can enact. But so far, the people who've put forth money seem like good candidates for some privileges, agreed.

[The Linker]

I think I could make a good admin, though I'm not reliably on. But why does that matter, anyway? If an admin's not on, he's not abusing his power. Unless there's some limit to our number of admins...

Also, shouldn't the thread title mention something about Team Fortress 2? :smalltongue:

[Darth Mario]

That doesn't seem like a good policy, Darth. Donate $15 to be admin for a month is generally one of the stupider policies you can enact. But so far, the people who've put forth money seem like good candidates for some privileges, agreed.

Yeah, that was what I was trying to say. An overabundance of admins is better than too few, and those who pitch in cash should probably see some kickback on that. I don't think we should make it official policy, and sorry for not being clear on that. But those GitPers/ChHaers/D20ers who are levelheaded and on the server frequently–and hopefully donate, if possible–should probably get the privileges.

[Faulty]

I think there should be no ctf or arena maps, personally, I would suggest...

Valve:
pl_goldrush
pl_badwater
plr_pipeline
koth_sawmill
koth_nucleus

Non-Valve:
pl_swift
koth_lighthouse
koth_farmhouse
pl_cranetop

I don't know what the mod entails, but maybe Zombie Fortress on Saturdays or something would be cool.

[wojonatior]

You don't have CP_dustbowl!!!

[Rutskarn]

Obviously, we've got to have...

DUSTBOWL! AH-WOO-OOH!

[Phase]

Right, if whatever I decide is decided, I think I would be a reasonable Admin.

Resumé:
"Several Months Admin on D20:Lawful/D20:Chaotic (Heavily populated server)"
"A day or two of tentative Admin status on a now defunct server (Don't remember which, it was run by a couple of friends and I just lost interest.)"
"Once kept my cool in Fallout 3 when stuck between a Sentry Bot, Deathclaw, and that Bastard Sticky."

[Thiyr]

All I'll say is i am against arena but in favor of other maps, and will vouch for no specific maps out of general inability to remember one map from another.

...And that I hate 2fort.

...and that I just ignored my point of not talking about specific maps.

Also, hiya to...people who have never seen me here before because I've never posted before. (though you may have seen me on lawful as Stuckinanopenbox). :D

[Thanatos 51-50]

Thanatos lives in GMT +9 Timezone, with a wonky work schedule. 12-hour shifts five days a week is not uncommon. Working that same time period except at night is also not uncommon. He has no admin experiance or knowledge, but is the paragon of Honour and integrity and Lawful Goodness.

[The Linker]

I demand, nay, demand in italics Dustbowl. 2Fort can go. I like it, but it's no fun playing with a server that doesn't like it. I vote for Turbine, though. Woo!

And I do like the KotH maps. Nucleus and Sawmill are great for Scouts, though Viaduct is rather meh. Goldrush and Badwater should definitely be in, and I'd vote for Hoodoo as well. I'm sick of Pipeline, but that's probably because of all the times I've stayed up all night messing around in it.

Oh! And Gravel Pit. Gotta have that Gravel Pit.

[Faulty]

Forgot about cp_gravelpit. Love that map.

Dustbowl 3 is horrible.

[Dispozition]

I probably can't donate much, if anything, but I'm willing to try doing some of the art for the server and anything else I can. I doubt I'll be able to mod/admin thanks to the huge ping I'll garner, but I can try :P

[wojonatior]

Ummmmmmm....My resume...

Can't think of anything...

I have been a decent argument solver on the D20 servers....

I know how to act responsible when need be and not act like a jackhole...

and yea...

[KBF]

Having none of a particular game mode is flat out bias and I will NOT TOLERATE IT. I demand ctf_Turbine and whatever Arena map is considered the best. Probably Sawmill, but it's probably just popular and I happen to like it. Phrases which can be used to describe 2Fort.

You will give into my demands or I will start a petition.


Oh, and my resume:

I have no social life to speak of, ignore school obligations and I have a sort of trained insomnia.

I'm gonna get the job for sure, suckers.

[Faulty]

Resume:
-Admin on a L4D server
-Endorsement by KBF
-Tuna spray

[wojonatior]

Resume:
-Admin on a L4D server
-Endorsement by KBF
-Tuna spray

Generally you are suposed to post your good traits.

[Nano]

Hey, a man comes onto my server with a spray like that, I make him admin. That's how it goes.

[KBF]

Resume:
-Admin on a L4D server
-Endorsement by KBF
-Tuna spray

Generally you are suposed to post your good traits.

Fixed it for you.

[wojonatior]

Resume:
-Admin on a L4D server
-Endorsement by somebody with a 3 letter name, and a yellow avatar.
-Tuna spray
Generally you aren't suposed to post your bad traits.
This quote has not been edited.

Fixed it for you.
Nice job slandering yourself.
Don't worry I am just messing with you.
(Just disregard this message, It was a fail attempt at a joke.)

[Joran]

The current plan is to Paypal the $$$ to the address mentioned in the first post. The transaction fees should all land on my end, I think, since I'm the one receiving the money. I'm okay with absorbing a chunk of the cost for the server, so it doesn't bother me that much. (I just don't want to absorb all of it.)

I don't know what other options are available. If you know any, let me know and we'll see about switching.


Eh, I was thinking of just cutting you a personal check and mailing it on over. 37 cents is pretty cheap. How much blood does Paypal demand?

[Myatar_Panwar]

Is there really anything legally wrong with naming a server the GitP Community Server? Or something along those lines?

To the point where you guys think Rich would file some kind of suit against you for naming a video game server after his website?

[Darth Mario]

Is there really anything legally wrong with naming a server the GitP Community Server? Or something along those lines?

To the point where you guys think Rich would file some kind of suit against you for naming a video game server after his website?

I think it's more an issue of respect to Rich's wishes rather than the legality of naming an unofficial server after his website. If he doesn't want the name used outside of this site (any more than we already do, at least), that's okay, and that's his right–as his fans, we need to respect that. ChHa is a fine thing to name the server–it ties in the GitP and Twenty-Sided communities much better than a straight-up GitP server would.

[wojonatior]

Still it is an Iffy situation.

[Fawkes]

The server needs to have all official maps loaded. Just leave the unpopular ones out of the rotation. That way, we can still access them for gimmicks, or if the players want a change of pace.

[Mushroom Ninja]

A server? For GitP? Awesome!

On rotations: I'm for enabling all Valve maps and using rtv to avoid the unpopular ones.

[Moonshadow]

So wait, this is for all Steam multiplayer games?

I'm happy to help out with the server upkeep too... I really don't do much with my money these days as is, and I like helping people :smallsmile:

[KBF]

Sorry if the title is a bit unclear, it's likely a server for Team Fortress 2 in particular.

Actually, GitP has been playing on the Twenty Sided servers hosted by Shamus Young, and we've been having a great time there when we all get together. Rutskarn and Phase were the admins, even. But unfortunately there have been nothing but complication after complication and the server has spent nearly as much time down as it has been up in the last two months or so and we were growing pretty restless. Shamus wasn't really watching the server, there wasn't really enough moderation (no offense Phase :smallwink:) and frankly borrowing a server where we were half the population got old when the owner was nowhere to be found during maintenance and updates. Though as Phase mentioned it's not as easy a transition as we're making it out to be, it's a real step up from what we've been doing. For now, if d20 Lawful is up you can join us (or them, since my computer's broke) by getting the IP from the Valve thread. Block of text over.

[Belobog]

I've only played on the d20 Lawful servers once (indeed, it was the only time I've actually played with the GitP group), and, while I enjoyed playing with the GitP, the server didn't exactly charm me. Think I lost interest in TF2 soon after, but if there's a stable community server where we can ban *******s, I might just get back into it. Who knows, might even kick in a little money to the venture.

[Illiterate Scribe]

Sv_pure basically determines whether or not a player can use custom materials loaded onto their clientside as opposed to the serverside. It doesn't affect anyone else's play, but it can potentially be used for mathacking, by making walls invisible, or making spy_uncloak.wav really really loud. On the other hand, it can be used for custom models, sounds, and skins, which can be fun without impinging on anyone else's play.

Sv_pure=0 means no restrictions on clientside resources usage.
Sv_pure=1 means no clientside stuff at all.
Sv_pure=2 is the same as 1, but with an added whitelist of allowed things/types of things.

[onasuma]

Well, we could always resort to Gorgons in the Park.

[Moonshadow]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the server will be based in North America?

It's a little iff with my connection, but doable. Count me in, I guess (I like 2fort! :D)

[Rutskarn]

Actually, Potatocubed is British.

[Dumbledore lives]

I'd love to play on a GITP server and I'd be willing to be an admin for the New Zealand and Australia area, GMT +12 here so when everyone else is asleep I'll be just getting on. I'm Lord Darth Paul on steam in case anyone sees me on Lawful for now.

[potatocubed]

Yeah, that was what I was trying to say. An overabundance of admins is better than too few, and those who pitch in cash should probably see some kickback on that. I don't think we should make it official policy, and sorry for not being clear on that. But those GitPers/ChHaers/D20ers who are levelheaded and on the server frequently–and hopefully donate, if possible–should probably get the privileges.

Currently my 'admin checklist' is:

1. On the server regularly.
2. Someone I am vaguely aware of.
3. Not a complete spanner.

So far, pretty much everyone who's asked for admin powers ticks all the boxes.

When it comes to donating... on the one hand, I don't want to tie donating to adminhood. It comes with a whole host of questions that I'd rather just sidestep. On the other hand, if you're donating you probably already tick box number 1, and the actual act of donating goes a long way towards ticking boxes 2 and 3.

I'm not sure if there's a sensible upper limit for admins, or if I can break things down into multiple tiers of adminhood, or what. A lot of this is likely to be shaken out when the server gets started and I begin playing about with the configurations. For now, just form an orderly queue.

Regarding personal cheques - you know I live in the UK, right? If the cheque is big enough to make it worthwhile, go ahead, but for regular monthly donations of ~$5 it's probably not worth it.

I don't have anything against the ctf and arena game modes, but I think the Valve maps for those modes are all pretty lacking. They are on the top of the list for customs.

Presumably there is a finite number of maps it is practical to put in a rotation. I'll say now that there are some Valve maps that are coming out (yukon, koth_nucleus, most of the arenas) so that I can replace them with customs. There are enough 24/7 orange servers that I don't think we need any of those.

sv_pure 1, most likely then. Depending on how the admin thing shakes out, a whitelist that 20-odd people can add stuff to is probably going to get pretty messy, pretty fast. Again, we'll see once things get rolling.

EDIT: The server may well be based in North America despite me not living there. The joy of the internet means I can rent servers anywhere in the world, rather than having to buy a dedicated server machine and internet connection.

Plus, the company I'm looking at offers more flexible service options and lower costs than any of the UK ones I've found.

[NeoVid]

The server needs to have all official maps loaded. Just leave the unpopular ones out of the rotation. That way, we can still access them for gimmicks, or if the players want a change of pace.

Agreed.

If there's no possibility at all of playing my favorite maps, I'll get annoyed.

Preferred maps:
CP: Steel, Gravelpit, Junction, Freight
CTF: Turbine, Sawmill
PL: Badwater, Hoodoo
KOTH: Nucleus, Viaduct
Arena: Lumberyard, Watchtower, Flourmill

Disliked: Not many. Dustbowl and most CTFs take too long.

Also, I'd like to be able to vote to turn alltalk on or off. Much as I like playing with you all, I can't put up with alltalk for that long, especially if I feel like playing seriously.

Also, my ping on Lawful is 140. I have no problem with that, but any worse is going to be ugly.

[Moonshadow]

Eh, I can help pay for the server without playing regularly. I told you, I like helping people. I just need to know how much maintainance would be before I commit myself to anything. :smallsmile:

[Jahkaivah]

I propose a rule, if a regular likes it, no matter how much any of us think it sucks, it's available for nomination/vote, only way we can deny them the map is if it somehow* breaks the no-porn no-racism rule.

*I think it's best not to think how.

[NeoVid]

I propose a rule, if a regular likes it, no matter how much any of us think it sucks, it's available for nomination/vote

+1

Especially since most of my favorite maps are hated by most of the community.

[Phase]

I propose we add CTF_Mach4. It's a badass map, and one of my favorites.

[potatocubed]

Just a note to say that the server fund address is now receiving money okay. I'm not going to be able to fire up an actual server until my bank account is hooked to it (this weekend, maybe?) but if you want to start inundating the fund with $$$, we're good to go.

P.S. The server I've picked out costs $35/month for 24 slots, so if donations hit $35 before my account is verified I'll get things started straight away.

[Faulty]

I really would suggest we lose a few official maps. Seeing as everytime it switches to Hydro or Granary we rtv... yeah.

I'm gonna talk to my mom about our PayPal account, so that I can wire you some money.

[Moonshadow]

I transferred $35 US via Paypal to the fund. Enjoy your first month when the money arrives.

*flees*

[wojonatior]

YAYAYAY!!!!!!:smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:
I will have to see about helping in the months to come.

[Darth Mario]

Well... that was easy.

I'm waiting on my paycheck to send some money, but now that the pressure's off...

I'll send money anyways. This'll be easier to manage if we build up a fund ahead of time, rather than expecting people to remember to donate. (This is assuming we trust Potatocubed, which I guess we'd be doing anyways.)

[Thanatos 51-50]

Sent 70 USD (35 * 2) to the server fund. Looking foward to seeing the IP and jamming on our own server* with ya'all.
(To include some D20s and ChHas, probably)

[toddex]

I just want to suggest ATLEAST SOME CAPTURE THE INTEL MAPS! Capture the point maps are fun but you need to switch it up sometimes. Also no arena maps, I have 24/7 arena servers on my favs for a reason.

[toddex]

I propose a rule, if a regular likes it, no matter how much any of us think it sucks, it's available for nomination/vote, only way we can deny them the map is if it somehow* breaks the no-porn no-racism rule.

*I think it's best not to think how.

Dear god no, ive had enough of this bull**** in Counter strike, my regular server was ruined by "regulars" who dont seem to enjoy playing any map other then de_westwood...

I could see something like this happening with convoy or something....

[onasuma]

I just want to suggest ATLEAST SOME CAPTURE THE INTEL MAPS! Capture the point maps are fun but you need to switch it up sometimes. Also no arena maps, I have 24/7 arena servers on my favs for a reason.

Is it so the gitp server which doesnt want arena doesnt have to for you to enjoy them?

[potatocubed]

Well, that was quick. Thanks guys! :smallsmile:

We are now funded three months in advance, which means I can buy three months in advance, which means a small discount. I'll go and sort out that server now...

EDIT: Drat. I still have to wait for my bank account to be verified. This weekend, then.

EDIT: And 'small discount' turns out to be about $7. Oh well, it's all money saved.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Awesome.

I may be able to chip in some cash occasionally, but right now that's sadly out of the question, due to some rather tight financial issues. :smallfrown:

Still, in the future perhaps...

[Joran]

Sent $20 to some complete stranger I don't know. I paid the $1.08 fee, which doesn't seem completely unreasonable.

I look forward to it guys.

[The Linker]

Preferred maps:
CP: Steel, Gravelpit, Junction, Freight
CTF: Turbine, Sawmill
PL: Badwater, Hoodoo
KOTH: Nucleus, Viaduct
Arena: Lumberyard, Watchtower, Flourmill.

I agree with most of these. I had forgotten about Steel (VERY YES), and Freight was one custom map I had fun on. And they're both by the same person!

As far as Arena maps go, I'm not sure mixing them with other maps is a great idea, but if we do, Watchtower is definitely my pick. All the less chance of me getting blindsided as a Scout by some lucky shot. :smallbiggrin: Hell, load 'em on, and we can RTV when it's just a few people.

Case in point, I do agree that all official maps should be loaded on, and the rotation should only go through the more popular ones. I mean, I have no idea how it works, but it doesn't cost any extra or take up any more space just to have the maps there as a possibility, does it?

[Faulty]

I think it would be easier if we made a compound list of Valve maps we DON'T want and custom maps we DO want. Potato could look at this and if he wishes incorporate it into his decisions as to what would be in the rotation and availible on the server.

Valve stuff I think we should skip:
cp_granary
cp_well
cp_egypt_final
ctf_2fort
ctf_sawmill
ctf_well
pl_hoodoo
tc_hydro
All arena maps*

*if we must have arena maps, I vote for arena_nucleus, arena_sawmill and/or arena_lumberyard. I think arena_watchtower is meh.

Custom stuff I think we should grab:
pl_cranetop
pl_swift
koth_harvest
koth_lighthouse
koth_tomb-whatever, can't remember the exact name, it's theme like Egypt

No cp_warpath. Seriously.

[Mc. Lovin']

I think votemap and rtv should be enabled. And maybe votescramble. Also, I vote to keep CTF_Well and PL_Hoodoo in the valve maps used

[Faulty]

Hoodoo is the spawn of Satan.

Nominate, rtv, votescramble and votekick (in case of no admins being on) should all be availible.

[Darth Mario]

Map preferences (for the rotation, I think all of the standards should be on the server, even 2Fort):

CP: Dustbowl, Gravelpit, Steel, Granary, Yukon
PL: Badwater Basin, Gold Rush, Hoodoo, Cranetop, That One With The Train (I do love me some payload)
CTF: Turbinie, Sawmill
KotH: Sawmill, Nucleus, Viadut
TC: Hydro
Arena: None in the rotation

[wojonatior]

We still should have Ctf_sawmill, because that is one of the 2 good ctf maps, the other being turbine.

[NeoVid]

I think it would be easier if we made a compound list of Valve maps we DON'T want and custom maps we DO want.

Sensible. In that case...

Skip: Hydro, 2fort, CTF Well

Customs: CP Freight, CTF Aerospace, Arena Flourmill

[Faulty]

We still should have Ctf_sawmill, because that is one of the 2 good ctf maps, the other being turbine.

ctf_sawmill is like Satan. Do you really want to endorse Satan Woj? :smallyuk:

[Archangel Yuki]

I endorse

Mikspam Sunday.

First sunday of every month.

Eh? EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH?

[Illiterate Scribe]

I endorse

Mikspam Sunday.

First sunday of every month.

Eh? EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH?

Motion seconded. Or possibly, instead, theme nights. This Sunday, micspam away, but only in funk! Next time, bring your dad rock!

Unwanted Valve maps -

-ctf - well, 2fort, sawmill
-5cp - granary
-attack/defend - n/a
-pl - hoodoo
-koth - sawmill
-tc - n/a (I actually like hydro)
-plr - n/a (want more pipeline matches)

Wanted customs (some are obscure) -

-ctf - 1fort (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=6429)
-5cp - convoy
-attack/defend - corporation
-pl - dbheights, frontier
-koth - garbage daaaaaay
-tc - never seen a custom tc
-plr - same here

[Fawkes]

Other suggestions for customs: pl_waste, ctf_convoy, cp_toy_fort_elite, pl_dustbowl_b4.

[Faulty]

We should do Zombie Fortress nights!

[NeoVid]

ctf_sawmill is like Satan. Do you really want to endorse Satan Woj? :smallyuk:

If he doesn't, I will. Sawmill's one of only three CTFs I like at all. And almost no servers run Aerospace.

[Mc. Lovin']

Is this gonna be alltalk like the sever we used to frequent?

[Faulty]

I would assume so.

[onasuma]

I very much hope not. That just screws up team play. Normal thing would be have it on when 10 or less people are on, then off at 11, when play actually hots up.

[The Linker]

I definitely vote for Alltalk. It's very important to me to hear my opponents yelling when I plug them with an arrow. :smalltongue:

And, "Damn you, Linker!" never really gets old.

[wojonatior]

I would say keep alltalk on, But if we want a nice serious game, we could flip it off.

[Jahkaivah]

Thought I would complie the list so far, I picked the lastest version I could find of each map so let me know if theres a later version I missed or if an earlier version which is better.

Custom maps we want:

cp_warpath 2 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/52314)
pl_frontier (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/74124)
cp_corporation_b3 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/56057)
arena_pokemon (http://www.atmuh.com/tf2/maps/arena_pokemon_b1.bsp.bz2)
ctf_2fort_upsidedown (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=7759)
pl_great_heights_b2 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/73905)
pl_cashworks (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/69298)
pl_cranetop_b8 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/65823)
GARBAGE DAY (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/80910)
plr_lumberyard_b1 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/99387)
cp_orange_towers 2 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/110867)
pl_swiftwater (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/105583)
koth_lighthouse (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/81604)
koth_farmhouse..... um.... doesn't appear to exist... anywhere other than faulty's post
arena_flourmill_b10 (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?ltr=F&t=8694)
ctf_mach4 (http://vilepickle.com/map/screens/tf2_ctf_mach/)
koth_harvest... this one seems to exist, but can't find a link
koth_tomb_a7 (http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=2292)
cp_freight_final (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/59565)
ctf_aerospace (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/73575)
cp_convoy (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/67419)
pl_dbheights_b2 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/70639)
pl_dustbowl b4 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/54701) is that two dustbowl payload maps? Might be a little redundant.
ctf_convoy (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/45247)
cp_ toy fort (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/39826) couldn't find elite version
pl_waste (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/78364)
duel_duel2 (http://vilepickle.com/map/screens/tf2_duel_duel2/)

[Illiterate Scribe]

Arena_pokemon, (http://www.atmuh.com/tf2/maps/arena_pokemon_b1.bsp.bz2), and no, I wasn't joking.

[The Linker]

No way to preview it before we, you know, download it straight off?

[Phase]

I think we should only have maybe five custom maps. I like a good custom as much as anyone, but I need a good ratio of Valve-Made to Custom-Made maps for me to feel comfortable (besides, I only just managed to memorize the basic maps. Don't mess this up for me.)

And what the sitch, admin-wise?

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

And what the sitch, admin-wise?

We're still very much undecided, I think. Unless I missed an update somewhere.

Also, still volunteering! :smallbiggrin:

[onasuma]

Phase, thats just silly. There are SO many good custom maps out there, it'd be a shame not to have them all on the server. Personally, Id follow Icewind/crit's way of doing things: the 3 best custom maps are on the rotation and the rest only turn up when nominated.

Also, I totally forgot before, but we need Cp_Coperation

[KBF]

Alltalk definitely on forever always. If we turn it off then the terrorists win.

Seriously, I don't want to have GitP devolve into something I have to worry about joining. I want to pop in, have some fun, enjoy the conversation while shooting people with rockets. I'm voting against any sort of overt enforced seriousness. If I pop in, and Rutskarn, Phase and Faulty are on, I want to talk to Rutskarn, Phase and Faulty.

[The Linker]

Alltalk definitely on forever always. If we turn it off then the terrorists win.

Seriously, I don't want to have GitP devolve into something I have to worry about joining. I want to pop in, have some fun, enjoy the conversation while shooting people with rockets. I'm voting against any sort of overt enforced seriousness. If I pop in, and Rutskarn, Phase and Faulty are on, I want to talk to Rutskarn, Phase and Faulty.

*waves patriotic flag of some sort and cheers*

Games like TF2 should just have a channel for talking to your team and a channel for talking to everyone. V for alltalk, B for teamtalk. Unless there's some sort of technical limitation, I don't see why they never thought of this.

[Jahkaivah]

I think we should only have maybe five custom maps. I like a good custom as much as anyone, but I need a good ratio of Valve-Made to Custom-Made maps for me to feel comfortable (besides, I only just managed to memorize the basic maps. Don't mess this up for me.)

And what the sitch, admin-wise?

Worth remembering that most if not all of the custom maps probably wont be on official rotation.


Arena_pokemon, (http://www.atmuh.com/tf2/maps/arena_pokemon_b1.bsp.bz2), and no, I wasn't joking.

Yeah, silly me I forgot you linked it.

Incidently, what's your favourite pokemon? :smalltongue:

[Phase]

*waves patriotic flag of some sort and cheers*

Games like TF2 should just have a channel for talking to your team and a channel for talking to everyone. V for alltalk, B for teamtalk. Unless there's some sort of technical limitation, I don't see why they never thought of this.

Because people would drown each other out, and not know it, and everything would be chaos, and people would be distracted by which button to push, and it would be a bit too big of a programming adventure for Valve to undertake just to help the small percent of servers that want both team and all talk at the same time.

[Fawkes]

Koth_harvest is part of the Big King Pack (http://king.whatisschwa.com/), which has five good custom KotH maps, including Garbage Day.

[Dispozition]

I suggest Duel_Duel2

Also, RTV and Votemap should be on the server.

[The Linker]

Because people would drown each other out, and not know it, and everything would be chaos, and people would be distracted by which button to push, and it would be a bit too big of a programming adventure for Valve to undertake just to help the small percent of servers that want both team and all talk at the same time.

I didn't think of the first part, considered the second part and found it satisfactory, and the third part? I would think a ton of servers would take that option. I imagined it would be the new default, even. Except for the 'drowning people out and not knowing it' part. That would be annoying... though, maybe you could have a little notification in the bottom right telling you when someone's talking to their own team, like the normal notifications. Then you'd know when to shut up.

Though, I just remembered that V is the default button to talk to your team on normal servers. So I can't really say it would be super-easy to get used to the new talk controls.

[Darth Mario]

I didn't think of the first part, considered the second part and found it satisfactory, and the third part? I would think a ton of servers would take that option. I imagined it would be the new default, even. Except for the 'drowning people out and not knowing it' part. That would be annoying... though, maybe you could have a little notification in the bottom right telling you when someone's talking to their own team, like the normal notifications. Then you'd know when to shut up.

I think you're assuming a level of politeness rarely seen in gaming communities (as a whole, not talking about small groups). I can imagine people spamming the alltalk channel to try to disrupt the enemy team's private communications.

[wojonatior]

I think you're assuming a level of politeness rarely seen in gaming communities (as a whole, not talking about small groups). I can imagine people spamming the alltalk channel to try to disrupt the enemy team's private communications.

MUTE BUTTON!!!

[Rutskarn]

Alltalk is kind of sort of absolutely necessary.

[Faulty]

And all chat of course.

[Fawkes]

And allall.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

And allall.

Truly the most necessary of the aforementioned. Considered this seconded. :smallbiggrin:

[KBF]

Eh. Allall is too buggy.

I'll wait for the iAll.

[wojonatior]

Truly the most necessary of the aforementioned. Considered this seconded. :smallbiggrin:

Wuadrupled(Fancier form of quadrupled, or a funny looking spelling error.)

[The Linker]

Eh. Allall is too buggy.

I'll wait for the iAll.

Yeah, but then you're stuck waiting for the new iAll Nano. It's a vicious cycle.

[Darth Mario]

Yeah, but then you're stuck waiting for the new iAll Nano. It's a vicious cycle.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm perfectly happy with my AllPhone.

[Moonshadow]

Oh, Tater-san, if you need more upkeep for the server at a later date, perhaps drop me a PM? I'm more than happy to help out again :smallsmile:

[KBF]

Okay, re-reading the thread with a much faster computer, you guys are donating tens of thirties of dollars. And even more than that. You're making me feel really, really bad about not having any cash. Is there anything I can do to help at all?


EDIT: With talk like that I sure hope you plan on helping me tick off Faulty, Shiro-chan.

[onasuma]

Learn to become a new, faster server? With all custom maps (I mean all) enabled?

[potatocubed]

Are you sure you mean all? I mean, there are some pretty bad custom maps out there.

*cough*warpath*cough*hallofdeath*cough*

[Illiterate Scribe]

Are you sure you mean all? I mean, there are some pretty bad custom maps out there.

*cough*warpath*cough*hallofdeath*cough*

Warpath more like bestpath.

[onasuma]

I do indeed mean all. That way, we can remember how good the valve maps actually are.

[Rutskarn]

That's like punching yourself in the groin so you can remember how awesome it was when you weren't punching yourself in the groin.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

That's like punching yourself in the groin so you can remember how awesome it was when you weren't punching yourself in the groin.

Still, you must admit that it is pretty awesome that you're not punching yourself in the groin repeatedly.

[Faulty]

Given the fact that people actually vote for hoodoo and 2fort, there are some real masochists out there.

[Ziren]

Given the fact that people actually vote for hoodoo and 2fort, there are some real masochists out there.

Hey, I didn't even vote yet :smalltongue:



Anyway, I'd like

pl_badwater
pl_hoodoo
plr_pipeline
cp_gravelpit
cp_steel
ctf_sawmill
rush is mill
koth_nucleus

I'd suggest some non-attack/defense-cp as well, but they get rtv'ed off all the time anyway.

This post was a lot longer, but the firefox spellchecker somehow mixed the letters up and I'm not writing that again.

[wojonatior]

Yea, i like the idea of keeping a large stash of maps, then just nominate what we want. So what are we doing on the admin situation? Because according to Pcubed the server should be up this wekend.

[Mc. Lovin']

Warpath more like bestpath.

This is awesome. I want warpath on there just so I can say it when people moan

[onasuma]

That's like punching yourself in the groin so you can remember how awesome it was when you weren't punching yourself in the groin.

Personally, I make sure I do that at least twice daily. Mine are soldiers of fortune. Only the best survive and that.

[Jibar]

Personally, I make sure I do that at least twice daily. Mine are soldiers of fortune. Only the best survive and that.

This makes far too much sense to me.

I believe I have a problem.

[wojonatior]

Cat-muffins have groins to punch?

[The Linker]

"Ooooooooh, right in the bran..."

[Faulty]

!quake :smallwink:

[Crispy Dave]

The server should be an, increased maxplayers, 24/7 2fort, instant respawn. There needs to be more of those.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

The server should be an, increased maxplayers, 24/7 2fort, instant respawn. There needs to be more of those.

Don't forget all crits! We can't forget all crits!

[Fawkes]

!quake :smallwink:

:smalleek:
No! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Faulty]

Just imagine.

DOMINATED
HEAD SHOT
CRAPPYSNIPER WAS HUMILATED WITH THE KNIFE BY DAMNSPY
RAMPAGE
DOMINTING
HEAD SHOT
OWNAGE

[potatocubed]

I think I've had nights out like that. =/

[KBF]

D20 Lawful is now officially unbearable.

I'm just going to wait patiently for the ChHa server. A few more days without TF2 won't kill me.

[Fawkes]

D20 Lawful is now officially unbearable.

I'm just going to wait patiently for the ChHa server. A few more days without TF2 won't kill me.

What's going on now?

[KBF]

What's going on now?

Four or five simultaneous micspammers. Some were singing purposely bad karaoke, some were playing random sound files, and some were just yelling. Loudly.

I say were because I left after half an hour. It was unbearable, and muting everyone in a server seems pointless.

[Joran]

I'm not a big fan of custom maps; I'm still trying to learn the official ones.

That said, they should be available on the server, but I'd weigh in against them being in the default rotation.

[Belobog]

Now I'm actually going to have to load up Steam again. Thanks a lot. :smalltongue:

On another note, I would vote up some maps, but seeing as I am the only man on earth who like egypt_final, I think I'll spare the server my horrible, horrible opinions.

[KBF]

On another note, I would vote up some maps, but seeing as I am the only man on earth who like egypt_final, I think I'll spare the server my horrible, horrible opinions.

..I like Egypt. All of it. I also enjoy a bit of Well when it's balanced, Granary is really fun, ctf_Turbine is a favorite of mine, a bit of 2fort isn't horrible, and I don't hate any map in particular.

I only hate all the whining.

[potatocubed]

First payment has been made. Now I just have to wait "up to 24 hours" for a server engineer to push the on button and then probably another day or two while I futz with the settings.

Progress!

(Also, spending ~$100 of other people's money is scary. :smalleek: )

[potatocubed]

Server is live!

208.100.38.222:27015

Or look for "Chocolate Hammer | FPSGameServers.net" in the big list.

Currently Sourcemod and Mani mod are installed, but that is the total extent of customisation. I'm busy nailing together some admin configs at the moment, so the server will go down again in a few hours while I muck about.

In the meantime, it's got that fresh new server smell!

[Nano]

Haha, kickass. I'll be on in ten minutes tops.

[watsyurname529]

Hell yes, I'll be there the second I finish eating lunch.

[Darth Mario]

Give me 15 minutes, and I'll be there.

Edit: GAH STEAM WON'T CONNECT GAH

[Rutskarn]

Alright, I'm assuming you're going to fix all of this with the whole server-going-down thing, but so far these are the issues:

--No RTV

--Server switches maps, like, every 5 minutes.

--Weird messages and dashes appear on screen occasionally

--No alltalk

Also, make sure to PM us the admin password once it's all set up.

[potatocubed]

People On the Admin List

I'd like to point out ahead of time that this list is almost completely random. If you volunteered and your name doesn't appear, it's not a personal thing, I probably just skimmed past your post when I was re-reading the thread.

The list can change, too.

onasuma
Rutskarn
KBF
Faulty
Mechafox
Nano
Djinn
Phase
Darth Mario

Together with me, that would make 10 admins. Surely that would be enough?

If you're up for it, PM me your Steam ID and I'll add you when I get around to restarting the server.

[watsyurname529]

Yeah. The server was acting weird. The Map Change wasn't based on time per se, but by number of wins, I would say 3 wins by either team, then it would change.

Then one note about the admin, I would do it if you need more people, but for now I think 10 is enough.

[wojonatior]

I was also on the list, I think...

I just have to fiddle with steam because it has been iffy recently. Like, not start up Iffy.

[Pie Guy]

I'd just like to say: HA! First on server!:smallbiggrin:

Also, it always exits Dustbowl on the second area after the first cap.

[KBF]

I'm honored. Also a little disgusted, but mostly honored.

And yeah, Woj is a cool guy, has a mic, and quoted something I said in his sig. You should make him admin too, if we're already going with that large a list.

[The Linker]

Also, it always exits Dustbowl on the second area after the first cap.

Definitely sounds like it's switching after three caps. That... really doesn't work on Dustbowl. :smalltongue:

[potatocubed]

Yeah. The variables I'm setting don't seem to be taking when the server restarts. Bear with me...

[onasuma]

Yay a server. Boo, tf2 requiring reinstall.

[Dispozition]

After I install TF2 at 1.3mb/s I'll join you all with a horrible ping.

[watsyurname529]

After I install TF2 at 1.3mb/s I'll join you all with a horrible ping.

That's a fantastic download speed, how would you possibly have a horrible ping?

[Dispozition]

Australia, 'nuf said.

[watsyurname529]

Australia, 'nuf said.

Ah. That'd probably do it. Sorry man.

[Dispozition]

Oh wow...I knew the ping would be bad, but 470? There again I am still downloading TF2...So I may have a 200 ping, meaning I can play on the server fairly easily.

[Faulty]

Hey, two things:

1) Why quake words?
2) Is it normal to not be able to rtv if there are fewer than 4 people? Or is it broken?

[watsyurname529]

Hey, two things:

1) Why quake words?
2) Is it normal to not be able to rtv if there are fewer than 4 people? Or is it broken?

Last I checked the RTV is broken. Along with most of the Source Mod stuff.

[potatocubed]

Pretty much everything is broken. My job tomorrow is to work out why and fix it.

[Belobog]

Should we stay off the server when you work on it, to let you work things out, or should we keep at it, to be able to give you feedback? I have no idea how fixing a server works, otherwise I'd be able to answer that myself.

Note to self: Learn how to type in game.

[Dispozition]

If you stay on the server you'll probably be getting kicked a lot since to effect changes servers need to reset.

[Dumbledore lives]

The server seemed to be working alright when I was on, though we didn't really use any of the functions. KBF successfully kicked someone though, so there's that. I'd also like to take this time to point out that I was on the list as well, and two sith lords is always better than one.

[KBF]

Kicking someone is having the correct rcon though. I technically don't have admin, I just have the password. I'm still figuring out what that means I can do, but from what I understand it's a temporary thing.

So far, I might be the only admin that knows how to do anything. Steam ID is Kirbysfan, message me if you need anything. EDIT: Oh, wait, Rutskarn also for sure knows how to do stuff, and Phase probably does too.

[Nano]

I'll definitely need to learn how. I'll be on later tonight to get started on that, actually.

[Dispozition]

I know a few rcon commands, but they're mostly fun stuff like grav and drugs.

[Darth Mario]

Downloaded HLSW and am playing around with it now. Hopefully that'll be able to teach me a thing or two. Already got the basics (kicking and taunting KBF over console) but can't get the mapswitch to work.

[Nano]

What is this HLSW?

[Dispozition]

You know what, I think I should be an admin :P

[wojonatior]

I was going to be on tonight, but I had some major problems with steam, after I got that all solved, I looked at the time, and I realized it was 1:30. I started working on steam at about 8:30, gave up at 9:00, then watched TV untill 10:30, then went back to solving the problem. Still took me three and a half hours.:smallyuk:

[Darth Mario]

What is this HLSW?

It's the program KBF was using to chat/admin without actually being on the server.

So, on the connection I'm on right now (not my regular one, I got sexiled from my room, hence my sudden departure), I can't seem to get server logs. KBF, do you have a possible solution that doesn't involve opening ports on my router? (I'm at college and can't access that stuff.)

[Rutskarn]

sexiled from my room

Uh. No comment.

EDIT: Ah. A brief perusal of UD suggests that this is not, in fact, an amusing typo.

[Myatar_Panwar]

Was it really so hard to figure out? :P

edit: More on-topic: I played on the server for a bit today, but my ping was so crazy it got pretty unplayable...

[KBF]

It's the program KBF was using to chat/admin without actually being on the server.

So, on the connection I'm on right now (not my regular one, I got sexiled from my room, hence my sudden departure), I can't seem to get server logs. KBF, do you have a possible solution that doesn't involve opening ports on my router? (I'm at college and can't access that stuff.)

This might get a little technical, so bear with me.

No, no I don't. If Test is working but Get Log (Internet) isn't, I have no idea.


EDIT: Okay, for the record I have a full 12 hours of adminning done, actually been accused of abuse once when someone joined while I was screwing around with Ninjews (he was a killjoy during class rounds anyway), and STILL no anime or Haruhi related admin abuse. I think I should get a medal. Eh, I'll just get medals the same way soldier gets his. If I can find any cardboard...

[potatocubed]

Right.

Quake sounds are off, alltalk is on, the rtv quirk should be fixed, and I've worked out how to assign admin privileges properly so you can use the console and everything.

The drawback: I have to add admins manually (although each admin can then add more, and so on until the list is full). So, when I start seeing familiar people hanging about on the server, I'll start adding admin powers, then you can kick and burn and slap people without ever needing to leave the game!

Every day, one step closer to competence...

EDIT: This also means I shouldn't need to take the server down any more, at least until the time comes to do the custom map shuffle (and maybe not even then). So log on and play with impunity!

[Moonshadow]

I was only there for a little while until my net crapped itself, but I think next time there, I'm turning Ninjews voice off >_>;

[Dispozition]

I totally think that PotatoCubed should give me admin privelages :D
Then you can boast about having an Aussie Admin!

Or at least tell me the rcon password so I can abuse drugs and fire >.> No actual abuse would happen, I swear.

[Mc. Lovin']

We should start using the GitP chat room more to know when people are going on our server

[Jibar]

I should inform people that I am not actually an Admin, I just enjoy telling people I am.
If someone would like to give me Admin powers of course, I would not object...

[wojonatior]

Pcubed, What is your steamID?

[watsyurname529]

I think we all just want admin powers... Out of curiosity, how many admins can we have? Is there a limit or not?

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Beautiful server, potatocubed! And quite entertaining...poor Jibar though...:smallbiggrin:

Can we snag a melee only plugin, perhaps? I tried to remove items from players, but sv_cheats is set to 0 (for everyone, and admins can't change it), so I can't access those commands (not that I'd really know how). A few other commands are locked out in a similar fashion: god and +speed don't work, not that that's important. Just experimenting. I would like a melee only if we can snag it though.

[Jibar]

Beautiful server, potatocubed! And quite entertaining...poor Jibar though...:smallbiggrin:

I have no problem with lacking admin powers if people wanna keep doing that to me.
Server just seemed to crash however, so we're still kinda buggy.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I have no problem with lacking admin powers if people wanna keep doing that to me.
Server just seemed to crash however, so we're still kinda buggy.

Heh. To bad there's no way to script a button to do something as specific as "blind Jibar."

[wojonatior]

Were you guys picking on the cat-muffin?

[Scorpionica]

Oh dear, the server has gone online, privileges are being exchanged, and people have yet to slaughter me due to lack of me being online. That'll change soon enough.

Still a few players on the Lawful server from what I can see, has the new and improved GitP / ChHa server been advertised beyond this forum?

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Were you guys picking on the cat-muffin?

He did ask. :smallbiggrin:

[Rutskarn]

I was going to announce the server on Chocolate Hammer as a bonus post.

[Jibar]

He did ask. :smallbiggrin:

No, seriously, admins wanna flounce their power aim for me.
I find it absolutely hilarious.


I was going to announce the server on Chocolate Hammer as a bonus post.

I'd say this is the extent of advertising we want.
Especially in these early days of still getting everything working.

(PS Drug and then no clip me next time I'm on)

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Alright. Been doing some research...

If we really want the ability to do some wild things for fun, we might want to consider replacing the Mani admin console with the SourceMod admin console, as that allows us a much wider range of possibilities. For example, I found plugins to allow for the selection of all of the following:

Team Scramble (forced or voted on)
Spray Tracing (to find who has the offensive spray, and to enable removal of it)
Birthday Mod (visual effects of a birthday theme)
Remove Weapons (targets a specific team or player, to prevent spawn camping)
Instant Respawn Humiliation (instantly respawns killed players, increasing carnage)
Evil Glow (makes a player glow...just for fun)
Class Enforcer (can force a team to play only a certain class)
Scout Multi-jump (sets a new limit to double/triple/quadruple/etc. jumps)
Zombie Fortress (http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=688433)
Roll the Dice (http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=666222)
Melee Only (self explanatory)
Pregame Mayhem (During "waiting for players", turn on friendlyfire and instant spawn)

It also allows players to be selected easier, as these can be entered as console commands attached to a specific player, a specific team, or everyone by the simple addition of @name, @red, @blue, or @all. Finally, these can all be tied to the admin menu, making it fairly easy to navigate.

This is, of course, only if we want the ability to go crazy if we so desire. :smallbiggrin:

[Nano]

Oh wow, that looks excellent. It'd be well worth it to get it, I think.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I thought so as well.

Another find: a plugin that supports equipping hats, if you so desire. Whether or not you have them, and whether or not you're playing the class the hat is for. This might be something to consider, as it might help alleviate some of the Gentlemanne vs. Poor and Irish conflict that has plagued TF2 recently.

[Fawkes]

I thought so as well.

Another find: a plugin that supports equipping hats, if you so desire. Whether or not you have them, and whether or not you're playing the class the hat is for. This might be something to consider, as it might help alleviate some of the Gentlemanne vs. Poor and Irish conflict that has plagued TF2 recently.

YES. I love the hat mod.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

The switch also seems like it would be pretty easy, although coding all the new possible plugins into the admin menu would be difficult. However, if we decide to go this direction, I'd be willing to try my hand at the grunt work, and also willing to compile the available commands into a list format for this thread as a placeholder.

That way, even if an admin can't, say, activate Zombie Fortress from the admin menu, he or she could at least look up the activation commands on this thread and directly enter them into the console.

[watsyurname529]

I've played on a server with the Roll the Dice mod and it can be pretty entertaining. I kept getting bad effects but it was still fun when I rolled an invisible and was a spy. So get that one if you can.

[wojonatior]

But, with all of this, there would have to be times where we could just sit around and play some normal TF2, because that is one of the things I really liked about the D20 servers.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

But, with all of this, there would have to be times where we could just sit around and play some normal TF2, because that is one of the things I really liked about the D20 servers.

Of course. All those options are easy to disable. This gives us the ability to do these things. It doesn't require us to. I know that I for one find this sort of stuff entertaining, but most of the time I just want to play some TF2. The humiliation round stuff, pre-game stuff, and equipment mod I'm fine with always having around, but the rest of it exists, in my mind, solely if we want something different. Normal TF2 is good enough for 90-95% of games.

[Thiyr]

I'd say the weird stuff should be the scheduled stuff, as was said before, and as seems to be what you're doing anyway. or if enough people want it and all

though spontaneous admin-abuse rounds are always sometimes amusing.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

...though spontaneous admin-abuse rounds are always sometimes amusing.

Yep. Onasuma and I have been firing commands back and forth for the past few minutes. Fun times. :smallbiggrin:

[Thiyr]

I know, I was there

Till I left because of another server crash. -wonders what was up with that-

[Geno9999]

Do you guys have a server for BFH (http://www.battlefieldheroes.com/)? They now have servers that can be rented.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Do you guys have a server for BFH (http://www.battlefieldheroes.com/)? They now have servers that can be rented.

No we do not. As far as I am aware, few if any of us actively play that game (I know I've never heard of it before), so having a dedicated server wouldn't be the best use of our financial assets.

Sorry to disappoint. :smallfrown:

[The Linker]

Scout Multi-jump (sets a new limit to double/triple/quadruple/etc. jumps)

:smalleek:

YES PLEASE.

IF I CAN TWENTY-JUMP BEFORE I DIE I WILL HAVE LED A GOOD LIFE.

[Dogmantra]

Would you mind if I posted the IP of this server to another forum I frequent? They're all good chaps there, I promise!

Also, I'm going to have to rent a server. It'll cost at least $4000 a month... definitely...

Donations please!

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Would you mind if I posted the IP of this server to another forum I frequent? They're all good chaps there, I promise!

I personally have no objections, although I don't like the idea of the server eventually becoming reliably full, as I do enjoy actually getting playtime, which this setup allows.

I'll await other opinions before making the call though.

[onasuma]

Yep. Onasuma and I have been firing commands back and forth for the past few minutes. Fun times. :smallbiggrin:

Hi, Im Onasuma and Im an addict. Of admin abuse. Ill get bored of it over the next few days and then stop Im sure, but for now, porting enemy snipers into giant pits is awesome.

Relatedly, Ive said in game and Ill say out here as well, I think so many admins is a bad idea. Maybe, say 5 admins, tops, and make the rest into moderators. That way in event of an issue, theres a higher up to go to if we need advise on it and not everyone has so much power.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Hi, Im Onasuma and Im an addict. Of admin abuse. Ill get bored of it over the next few days and then stop Im sure, but for now, porting enemy snipers into giant pits is awesome.

Hence why it is my place to freeze, burn, blind, and drug you whenever possible. Until you learn to stop, of course. :smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:


Relatedly, Ive said in game and Ill say out here as well, I think so many admins is a bad idea. Maybe, say 5 admins, tops, and make the rest into moderators. That way in event of an issue, theres a higher up to go to if we need advise on it and not everyone has so much power.

Agreed. If we do end up switching to SourceMod (and I still think we should), I'd like to retain Admin if possible, as I'll be trying to compile the plugins into a single, cohesive menu, and will probably need some pretty high permissions to make sure that it works properly. But I do agree with Onasuma that to many Admins may spoil the server.

Also, a quick question to anyone else with admin power at the moment: anyone know how to change the gravity settings? The console commands won't accept input from me, and the admin menu seems to lack such an option. Am I just overlooking it?

[wojonatior]

If you would need any help putting together the commands, just send me a shout.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

If you would need any help putting together the commands, just send me a shout.

If we go that route, and if I do need help (which is sort of likely), I will be happy to take you up on that offer! :smallbiggrin:

[onasuma]

I forget the name, but if you got to option 6 on the admin menu, you can choose low (150) or normal (800) gravity.

Edit: Oh and I know everyone's gonna say it, but Id personally like to hang onto admin as well. For one thing, I already know my way around admining in source. Im also still (technically) still head of the gitp competitive team and additionally mapping, so would like to be able to potentially use the server for a map test once in a while.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Ah. That's the one. Thanks!

Also, GitP has a competitive team? What? Since when?

[onasuma]

About a year back. I posted a few times about looking for people for it in the thread. We had about 3 games, then found out we were aweful.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Hmmm...now that we have a server of our own though...

I'd need a lot of work, but I could probably eventually become a decent demoman or medic...especially medic...

[watsyurname529]

I'd like to think that I'd be a decent competitive player for most classes. Except Sniper. I really need to work on sniping before I get anywhere decent.

[Belobog]

I'm about as competitive as a flat glass of champagne, but I'd be up for embarrassing myself and others when the occasion calls for it.

Also, if we make special games a scheduled thing, we might to bring back the idea of the GitP Grinder and use that for it. It'd be best to use the weekend for it, when the most people would be able to play.

Another thing, could I get an invite to the GitP group? I thought I was, but on second look, I'm not. Account name is Runic_Might, Profile name is Belobog.

[wojonatior]

I might fail completely and horribly... SIGN ME UP!!!:smallbiggrin:

[Fawkes]

I'm always up for anything.

[Pie Guy]

Sign me up, I'm a good pyro and heavy.

Also invite me to the group. Name: [GitP]Pie Guy

[Phase]

So I give this new server a pass. My crushing hand of darkness and oppression has already started its domination. One thing, this new server has a worse fetish for Dustbowl than D20 once had for HooDoo...

[onasuma]

Its because of all the crashes and dustbowl being first on rotation.


Relatedly, wow, there are suddenly people up for competitiveness... I guess Ill have to hold trials soon or something. Only thing I do ask (and this is from experience) is if someone is going to use pyro (generally not a good competitive class) is that they use airblast and not the BB. *goes to plan the reformation of the GitP Strike Force/Team.... I forget which it was*

Edit: Oh, and by the way, maps I was mising greatly:

Corporation: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/56057

Great heights: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/73905


Edit 2: May I also make a suggestion? This friday/saturday evening, gmt (due to that being cubey's timezone) we put alot of custom maps on the server and have a map test night.

[wojonatior]

I am a decently good pyro, that uses the leafblower and commonly uses it in combat.

[Dispozition]

I am a decently good pyro, that uses the leafblower and commonly uses it in combat.

Good boy :P
The leafblower is so much fun in all situations. It completely messes with pretty much every class except heavies and scouts imo.

[wojonatior]

I havent had a chance to use it against a scout, but I have realized havies still own me when I do it.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Relatedly, wow, there are suddenly people up for competitiveness... I guess Ill have to hold trials soon or something. Only thing I do ask (and this is from experience) is if someone is going to use pyro (generally not a good competitive class) is that they use airblast and not the BB. *goes to plan the reformation of the GitP Strike Force/Team.... I forget which it was*

Awesome. Bear in mind though...we'll still suck. :smallbiggrin:

Also, getting 12 interested people would be best. That way we can actually arrange 6v6 games and practice.

[Ikialev]

I would sign too, but I can play only until midnight, and that would be 4pm on east coast.
aw ._.

[Faulty]

I don't think we'll ever really be good enough to compete. We should just make two 6 player teams and compete against each other.

[onasuma]

Hey, we used to manage to draw 1/3 matches!

[Darth Mario]

I'd be in for this competitive team. Though my strength in pubs is Pyro, I'd be perfectly willing to fill the medic or pocket soldier roles. I could also possibly scout, but my aim with that has always been a little shaky, though I am good against soldiers as scout, so who knows...

[Scorpionica]

Although I'd like to sign up for the competitive play as well, I'm worried that my lack of time and appearance on the server would disjunct that notion. Maybe as a reserve member, in a few cases? I can play a decent scout in these times.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Well, at least to begin with I think it would be a mainly server-based 6v6 competition, until we began to improve a bit. Currently we'd all be stomped in competitive play, but hey...we can improve, right?