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oxinabox
2009-10-07, 06:54 AM
Ok, you've got 3 lvls to play with, what do you build?
lvl 3 character (3000xp, you may burn xp crafting items if you wish, standard WBL

Books: all 3.5 WoTC, but no dragon.

what can you come up with?


edit: corrected xp, for lvl 3

Farlion
2009-10-07, 07:10 AM
What is the point of the build?

Most effective?
Most fun?
Craziest build?
Most unusual?
Most annoying?

Cheers,
Farlion

Chrono22
2009-10-07, 07:14 AM
For versatility...
Human Beguiler/Warblade/Duskblade. Tons of spells/maneuvers and options. Toss in some low cost healing items and some ranks in UMD and you have a character that can do just about anything.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2009-10-07, 07:56 AM
Dragonwrought Kobold Loredrake, Sorcerer 3. You get 5th level Sorcerer spellcasting, so your two 2nd level spells known should be Glitterdust and Web. For 1st level spells, I really like Ray of Flame at the lower levels, and Power Word: Pain is just crazy. Feats would be Dragonwroght and probably Draconic Reservoir (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) so you can get the Greater Draconic Rite of Passage at level 6 and have 9th level spellcasting ability. The 1st level spell-like ability you get should probably be Benign Transposition.

Silverbrow Human Bard 3, get Dragonfire Inspiration, Melodic Casting, and Song of the Heart. Get a Badge of Valor and use Inspirational Boost. If flaws are available take Obtain Familiar and Wild Cohort (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031118a), and plan on picking up Improved Familiar at level 6 for a Krenshar.

Iku Rex
2009-10-07, 08:45 AM
(6000 xp is level 4.)

oxinabox
2009-10-07, 08:54 AM
What is the point of the build?

Most effective?
Most fun?
Craziest build?
Most unusual?
Most annoying?

Cheers,
Farlion

Any of the above.
just any 3 levels, that would be awesomefun, awesome effective, or just plain awesome.

3 level, gives you a lance, a heavy warhorse, and if your a human fighter 2, then all the basic mounted charager feats.
maybe human fighter 2/ paladin 1
or Human Knight 2/ fighter 1. if the mounted combat bonus feat can be retrained if you already have it.


I like:
AeshNaen Illuminum Archivist:
Feats: Improved Power Sigel, Knowledge devotion.
Racial(post Imp PS):+3 CL, +3 on Int checks and int based skill checks (including knowledge checks that power Dark Knowledge and knowledge devotion).
and if i leave a spell of lel x un prepared i add 1 to the dc of all spells of lvl x i cast, antil i next prepare spells (wich maybe the 15 minutes i spend preparing cure light wounds into my spare slot)

Almost all my ability to damage things comes from my Knowledge rolls.
Between Dark Knowledge tactics, and Knowledge devotion, i get bettwen +2 and +6 on my attack rolls, and +1 to +3 on my damage rolls.
Even on BaB poor that makes me decent in combat (with a masterwork Longspear).

Fill spell slots with divinations.
(as well as the usual Healing, (don't bother with inflicts, assuming decent str, longspear almost as good (too bad cant get intiutive stike (wis to tohit))))

Farlion
2009-10-07, 09:35 AM
Level 3 Human Monk;

Feats: Sacred Vow, Vow of Nonviolence, Vow of Peace, Vow of Poverty



Why? I like challenges!


Cheers,
Farlion

Person_Man
2009-10-07, 09:35 AM
Level 0 Non-Psionic Thri-Kreen (Shining South, +1 LA, 2 Monstrous Humanoid Hit Die). 5 natural attacks, poison, +30 to Jump checks, and a page full of other special abilities I can't remember.

The Gilded Duke
2009-10-07, 09:46 AM
Elf Psion (Shaper)
With Master of Poisons
And Skill Focus Poisonmaking

Use Minor Creation Psionic to make Black Lotus Extract.
Apply it to arrows. Do 3d6 Con damage with your longbow.

Johel
2009-10-07, 10:07 AM
Half-orc Wizard,
Str 16+2, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 16-2, Wis 8, Cha 10-2
Spells
Mage Armor
Shield
Protection from Evil
Disguise Self
Enlarge Person
Ray of Enfeeblement
Bull’s Strength
Alter Self


Feats :
Combat Expertise
Improved Trip

Drop him in the arena with some blunt weapon and watch as he tries to survive...

Doc Roc
2009-10-07, 10:12 AM
Dragonwrought Kobold Loredrake, Sorcerer 3. You get 5th level Sorcerer spellcasting, so your two 2nd level spells known should be Glitterdust and Web. For 1st level spells, I really like Ray of Flame at the lower levels, and Power Word: Pain is just crazy. Feats would be Dragonwroght and probably Draconic Reservoir (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) so you can get the Greater Draconic Rite of Passage at level 6 and have 9th level spellcasting ability. The 1st level spell-like ability you get should probably be Benign Transposition.

Silverbrow Human Bard 3, get Dragonfire Inspiration, Melodic Casting, and Song of the Heart. Get a Badge of Valor and use Inspirational Boost. If flaws are available take Obtain Familiar and Wild Cohort (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031118a), and plan on picking up Improved Familiar at level 6 for a Krenshar.

I can attest to the fact that both of these are almost painfully effective.

oxinabox
2009-10-07, 06:34 PM
Level 3 Human Monk;

Feats: Sacred Vow, Vow of Nonviolence, Vow of Peace, Vow of Poverty



Why? I like challenges!


Cheers,
Farlion

Nice, that would be fun.
You have to take vow of poverty at lvl 1 (or you don't have enough feats), and you (then) have a spare feat, may i suggest intuitive attac? (weapon finesse for wisdom)

Gossipmonger
2009-10-07, 07:10 PM
There's an... unusual concept I've been toying with lately. Only suitable for low levels, I think. Wouldn't mind a few suggestions on improvement for him.

Dragonborn Darfellan
Barbarian 2/ Cleric 1

Furious Inhalation
Animal Devotion
Diving Charge
Extra Turning

Foryn Gilnith
2009-10-07, 07:21 PM
Try a Greensnake Naga with Mindsight. Mindsight is nice to have at these levels. Oriental Adventures 175/203 has the Greensnake (LA +1, +4 con/dex, +2 str/int/wis, telepathy 30'), Lords of Madness (tsochar section) has Mindsight. Ghostwise Halfling might work, I dunno.

SurlySeraph
2009-10-07, 08:42 PM
Human Wizard (specialist Evoker) 3.

Wait, hear me out.

Take Fell Drain, Metamagic School Focus, and the Spellgifted trait. With 18 intelligence, you have 3 2nd-level spells per day. Prepare Fell Drain Magic Missile 3 times. Add in Arcanist's Gloves (MiC), and one of the various ways that you can get +1 caster level (including various conditional feats; which is best depends on the campaign, which is why this build leaves a feat slot open). Now you can inflict 4 automatic negative levels in one shot twice per day, plus 3 automatic negative levels once per day.

By itself this is fairly nice, but not awesome. But it's really useful if you want to destroy public order. How? Use all of your Fell Drain MMs on 1st-level NPCs. By RAW, a creature killed with negative levels raises as a wight the next night. With 11 more wights introduced into the area and creating spawn each day, you can get an undead apocalypse pretty quickly, especially in a city. Being able to control the wights would be nice, but if you're killing 11 people with level drain every day you're probably not very big on public order anyway.

You could improve the negative-level-doing aspect of the build a bit more by taking two flaws so you can take Spell Focus and Metamagic School Focus (Conjuration). Then use 3 of your 4 1st-level slots to prepare Fell Drain Acid Splash, for another 3 negative levels per day if you can make the ranged touch attacks.

Farlion
2009-10-08, 02:34 AM
Nice, that would be fun.
You have to take vow of poverty at lvl 1 (or you don't have enough feats), and you (then) have a spare feat, may i suggest intuitive attac? (weapon finesse for wisdom)

Why spend a feat on something to do with attacking? Sure, you can still kick Undeads in the face, but with vow of nonviolence and vow of peace, fighting just doesn't appeal to you =)

And yes, Vow of poverty and sacred vow would be the level 1 feats.


Cheers,
Farlion

oxinabox
2009-10-08, 02:51 AM
Why spend a feat on something to do with attacking? Sure, you can still kick Undeads in the face, but with vow of nonviolence and vow of peace, fighting just doesn't appeal to you =)

And yes, Vow of poverty and sacred vow would be the level 1 feats.


Cheers,
Farlion
can't you still do nonlethal damage?

Farlion
2009-10-08, 03:41 AM
can't you still do nonlethal damage?

Yes, you can. And you wouldn't even get -4 on your attacks as a monk.

I would refute this out of fluff reasons though =)

Cheers,
Farlion

arguskos
2009-10-08, 03:46 AM
Yes, you can. And you wouldn't even get -4 on your attacks as a monk.

I would refute this out of fluff reasons though =)

Cheers,
Farlion
Or, the character tries to end fights with words and diplomacy, but, when that fails, they resort to fighting non-lethally, so they can try words again when their opponents awaken. They are never cruel, and non-lethal fighting is always the last resort, but they believe in being prepared. After all, some enemies aren't interested in talking.

taltamir
2009-10-08, 04:12 AM
any single character, ever, is a level 3 at some point (even if that point is before starting the game)...

level 3 isn't much of a target since it can encompass every single conceivable build.

Or are you asking "what cool stuff can i do withing the level adjustment of a 3rd level char"?

Vangor
2009-10-08, 04:25 AM
Glimmerskin Strongheart Halfling Cloistered Cleric with Knowledge, Planning, and Time domains and the Vulnerable and Inattentive flaws with at minimum 16 Charisma starting.

Choose Persistent Spell, Divine Metamagic (Persistent Spell), Extra Turning, and Extra Turning to be able to Persist two spells. My choices tend to be Elation and usually Healing Lorecall, Bless (if no Bard), or Detect Thoughts (iffy if viable due to Concentration, not sure how this functions alongside Persistent). Touch of Healing from CChamp is a good 3rd level Feat.

sonofzeal
2009-10-08, 04:40 AM
Orc Barbarian 1 / Fighter 2. Drop a 15 into Int, and hopefully a 16 or better into Str. Take EWP: Spiked Chain, Combat Expertise, Improved Trip, and Combat Reflexes. You've got a +11 to +12 trip modifier while raging, which should make you absolutely terrifying to any humanoid enemies, which'll be common at that level. Core.



Halfling Druid 3. Light Horse animal companion. Archery feats. Produce Flames, which counts as "thrown", should rarely if ever miss and gets you good efficiency long term. Peaks at level 5 (especially since you can Wildshape into a Dire Hawk), but is functional from 3 to 7, and you can always retrain afterwards. Core. Note: is there a feat to boost the CL limit of spells?



Gnome Dragonfire Adept. Entangling Exhalation. Win.



Human Wilder, Energy Ray, Chaos Shuffle cheese possibly needed, Psionic Shot, Empower Power, Metapower, Psycrystal Meditation. At level 3, deal (7d6)*1.5 damage, average 36.75, as a ranged touch attack, three times per day. Scales excellently.

oxinabox
2009-10-08, 04:53 AM
any single character, ever, is a level 3 at some point (even if that point is before starting the game)...

level 3 isn't much of a target since it can encompass every single conceivable build.

Or are you asking "what cool stuff can i do withing the level adjustment of a 3rd level char"?

I mean, if you copuld only play at lvl 3.
eg for a lvl 3 one shot dugeon crawel.

oxinabox
2009-10-08, 04:54 AM
Yes, you can. And you wouldn't even get -4 on your attacks as a monk.

I would refute this out of fluff reasons though =)

Cheers,
Farlion
I thought you would, in wich case why monk 3?
My not monk um... 1? and Bard 2?
or Beguiler 2?

taltamir
2009-10-08, 04:55 AM
I mean, if you copuld only play at lvl 3.
eg for a lvl 3 one shot dugeon crawel.

ah, create a level 3, play it at level 3, then toss it...
Fighter...

sonofzeal
2009-10-08, 05:00 AM
Dragonborn Human Generic Warrior 2 / Generic Expert 1, any two flaws. Feats are Toughness, and Roll With It seven times. Hellooooooooo, DR 14/-!

taltamir
2009-10-08, 05:01 AM
mmm... actually... yea, a CR3 monster with no actual levels which is grossly undervalued :)

Farlion
2009-10-08, 08:51 AM
I thought you would, in wich case why monk 3?
My not monk um... 1? and Bard 2?
or Beguiler 2?

Fluff =)

I like my monk to walk around with a quarterstaff, some linen robe and a small trailration. Somehow fits my wandering monk image.

On the other hand, I needed the bonus feats from the monk class (I don't know if bard and beguiler get it). At least the first one.

Fluffwise: Monk 1 / Paladin 2 would be fine too.

Cheers,
Farlion