Arena Tournament, Round 72: Dense vs. Motorcycle

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Arena Tournament, Round 72: Dense vs. Motorcycle

Map:
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XP Award: 600 XP
GP Award: 600 GP

Psionic Dog - Dense (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=5065)
Madtinker- Motorcycle (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=143140)

All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare final purchases, if any

[madtinker]

Init [roll0]

Considering purchases...

[Psionic Dog]

Ho boy, this is going to be a tough one.

[roll0]

Still thinking about purchases.

Am I correct in assuming that the 18 Strength / Constitution listed on the sheet are supposed to be 14 and 16 respectively?

Edit Purchase List:
Upgrading ride:
Heavy War Horse: 400 gp
R.D. Trade in: -75 gp
Ridding Saddle: 10gp
Leather Barding: 40gp
Sell old Barding: -10gp

Net Spending: 365 gp

That's all for now, may add something else in if Motorcycle gets anything.

[madtinker]

sorry, I lost this thread. Don't DQ me, I'll post later.

[madtinker]

2x Shield of faith +2
2x cure light wounds

200 gp total.

Good catch on the stats, don't know how they got messed up.

Go whenever you're ready

[Psionic Dog]

Dense updated to reflect recent purchases.

Dense - Round 1
Lets just be direct about this slug-fest.

@refs
Auto-succeed on all guide-with-knees checks and all fight-with-mount checks.

Standard: Ready Action

I hear your opponent only knows about a readied action if they see you ready it. If that's the case then Moto won't know about the readied action as it was technically readied at the midpoint of the ride (M11/N12) well out of LoS.

Readied Action:
Shoot any opponent in LoS that:
-takes any disruptable action (such as drinking a potion)
-Approaches to within 10ft
-Starts to enter mist if they aren't currently in mist
-Starts to leave LoS
-Readies an action
-Ends turn
-or starts to move from within 30ft to more than 30ft away

You see Dense, clad in his gleaming breastplate ride out to M21/N22, sitting high on the saddle of a heavy warhorse clad in leather barding.

Dense is holding a loaded crossbow and has a buckler.

Done. Your go.

Stats
Dense
Location: M21/N22 on horse
HP: 26/26
AC 20 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size)

War Horse
Location: M21/N22
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[madtinker]

Wait...
By PHB, a horse is a suitable mount for a human, dwarf, elf, half elf, or half orc, while a pony is suitable for a gnome or halfling. So how can Dense, being a Gnome ride a heavy warhorse? I'm guessing you have a good reason, so I'll take my turn anyway.

Motorcycle is in M25 with Bastard Sword and Shield in hands.

Move to M23 and attack Dense
[roll0]
[roll1]

StatsMotorcycle (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=143140)
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 28/28, DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

Done

[Psionic Dog]

Fortunately 'suitable' and 'rideable' are not complete synonyms. :smallwink:

Explanation spoilered for space:
To be ridden a mount need only be capable of caring the rider.
To gain a mount it need only have a price tag or be granted by a class feature.

The heavy war horse satisfies both of these criteria, so Dense can use it. He *was* saving up to buy a hipogriff, but at about 3,000 gp decided that regardless of the coolness factor Dense had better uses for the money now than at some hypothical time 2,500 gp into the future.

Also, suitability is a relative term.
A horse is less suitable in most circumstances for small creatures. Medium mounts are cheaper and don't cause falling damage if you get knocked off so there is often little reason not go with a dog or pony.

But, for a medium creature a pony isn't as suitable because of weight. You'd have to be either an female elf or anerexic to not be a medium load by yourself, and if you are a 200 lb half or in 101 lbs of armor I suppose you *could* get the pony to stagger around but for you the horse is much better.

In the case of Dense, recent Arena experience has shown his dog to be to slow and too frail to function well at L2, which is why Dense is happy with a mount that is faster, has more HP, better Saves, better attack, etc than the dog. Even if it is too big to allow quick mount/dismounts.

Plus saddles for medium mounts weigh the same as for large mounts by RAW. :smallyuk:

It was a bit of a handicap going into combat with a mount that could carry Dense, Denses's equipement, a saddle, and armor... but just pick 3. :smallannoyed:

Dense - Ready Action
Yep. Dense had one of those. (You may open the @Ref spoiler in previous post for confirmation)

Dense shoots at Moto with his crossbow
[roll0] [roll1]

Dense - Round 2
Auto-succeed with fight with mount.
[roll2] [roll3]
[roll4] [roll5]
[roll6] [roll7]

Auto-succeed with guide with knees to direct mount to 5ft step back to L20/M21

Move: Reload Crossbow
Standard: Fire Crossbow again.
[roll8] [roll9]

Done.

Stats
Dense
Location: L20/M21 on horse
HP: 26/26
AC 20 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size)
Amunition: 23

War Horse
Location: L20/M21
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[Psionic Dog]

Miss, Miss, Miss, Miss, Critical Threat.

Give me a moment to decide if that counts as "the dice balance out in the end"
[roll0]
[roll1]

[madtinker]

Motorcycle, round 2

Figured it was something like that. Also figured on the ready action.

Move from M23-N23-O22-O19-N18-M19, hiding in the mist , and moving silently [roll1]
Normally I would spoiler the movement, but since I attack anyway, I am only out of LoS long enough to make you flat footed if you miss the spot check.
Attack [roll1d20+6
Damage [roll2]
Miss chance [roll3]1-20 misses
StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 17/28, DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

Done

[madtinker]

messed up attack roll [roll0]

can horses make AoO?
Do you get an elevation bonus (on melee) from a mount?

[Psionic Dog]

I can't think of any reason the horse wouldn't make an AoO unless the rider had both also attacked and failed the Fight-With-Mount ride check.

As for height bonus I think I vaguely remember something about that,but can't remember where though. If it comes up I'll only claim it if I can find a reference allowing it.

As far as hiding for flat footed: Uncanny Dodge. The 24 hit anyway however.

next turn coming soon.

[Psionic Dog]

Ok, found the bit on higher ground. p157 PHB.

Dense - Round 3
For the record, Dense auto-succeeds on all riding and Fight-With-Mount checks so just assume Dense is rolling the stuff when necessary for the rest of the match.

Free: Have mount 5-ft step to K19/L20.
Standard: Spiked Gauntlet Attack
[roll0] [roll1]
[roll2]

[roll3] [roll4]
[roll5]

[roll6] [roll7]
[roll8]

[roll9] [roll10]
[roll11]

Done.

Stats:
Dense
Location:K19/L20 on horse
HP: 17/26
AC 20 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size)
Amunition: 23

War Horse
Location: K19/L20
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[madtinker]

Whoosh! I felt the breeze from all the way across the internet!

Attack![roll0]
Damage[roll1]
Miss[roll2] Miss low

StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 17/28, DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

Done

[Psionic Dog]

Dense - Round 4
Wash and repeat.

[roll0] [roll1]
[roll2]

[roll3] [roll4]
[roll5]

[roll6] [roll7]
[roll8]

not done, checking rolls before deciding what Dense does personally.

[Psionic Dog]

Ug, that was horrible.

Ok, 5-ft step mount to J18/K19

Move: Reload Crossbow
Standard: Fire Crossbow

[roll0]
[roll1]
[roll2]

[roll3] [roll4]

Done.

Stats:
Dense
Location: J18/J19 on horse
HP: 17/26
AC 20 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size)
Amunition: 22

War Horse
Location: J18/K19
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[madtinker]

Motorcycle Rd 4
Move south, breaking LoSMoving south and diagonally on a double move action to X12 and hide [roll0], moving silently [roll1]. I will sheath the bastard sword as part of movement.

StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 12/28, DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

Done

[Sallera]

Motorcycle:Can't sheath a weapon as part of movement, can only draw.

[Psionic Dog]

I guess I'll assume the local ref hasn't paused the game and continue.

Dense - Round 5

Uh-oh. My opponent ran away. My opponent has a potion stash. This is not good. Only good news is that drawing a potion is a move action so he can't have moved, drawn, and drunk any potions already.

(Dense Has LoS to N-19 at the start, so if Moto really went due south he'd have to have done more than 5-ft step to break LoS))

Anyway
[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]
The horse has sent.

Ref LoS Questions
Does Dense hear which way Motorcycle went after leaving LoS?
Did the horse hear?
Does the horse currently smell foe?

I don't know if Dense knows what the horse knows but I'd hope he at least would know if the horse knows, in which case a simple attack command or seek push would lead him straight to Moto.

Not Done. LoS requested.

[Sallera]

Ah, sorry, my mistake. I do need clarification from Motorcycle before we continue.

[madtinker]

@refsThen move south to R19 and east to S22, then sheath the sword, still hiding.

[Sallera]

Dense:Your horse hears something. You do not.

[Psionic Dog]

Dense - Coninued

Listen/Spot roles are above.

If LoS is established, will revise actions from that point.

Move: Reload Crossbow.
Ride: South to O18/P19, West to O13/P14,
Standard: Total Defense
Ride: South to T13/U14, East to U17/V18


Done, pending LoS.

Stats
if LoS never established then...
Dense
Location: On horse
HP: 17/26
AC 24 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size +4total defense)
Amunition: 22

War Horse
Location: U17/V18
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[Sallera]

Refs:Listen for Motorcycle: [roll0]

Motorcycle:You hear hoofbeats to the west-southwest.

Dense:The horse smells something. No other LoS.

[madtinker]

Motorcycle Rd 5
Draw Potion CLW. Drink said potion. Heal [roll0]

StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 20/28(includes heal), DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

Edit: fixed stats and Done

[Psionic Dog]

Hrm. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that LoS hasn't changed.

Dense - Round 6

Welp, that's one potion he's probably downed, either a curative or buff. I'll give this one more round to find him, but if Moto ever gets both down Dense may as well start running until the Shield of Faith durations he'll have certainly used runs down.

So...
[roll0]
[roll1]

[roll2]
[roll3]

And the horse smells something besides gnome. Hmm.
Dense Starts of by Riding North East.
Say, 30ft to R22/S23. Then 20ft south to V22/W23.

Will revise action should LoS be established or the horse stops smelling something.

Not Done, need LoS

[Sallera]

LoS established as Dense reaches S20/T21. Motorcycle is in S22.

[Psionic Dog]

Nice, LoS reestablished. Would have been better if Dense hadn't guessed wrong last turn, but oh well.

Dense - Continued

[roll0]*
If Motorcycle is welding his sword then this is a gauntlet attack.
(18+2)[20] [roll1]

If Motorcycle is not welding his sword then this will be a crossbow attack.
(18 + 8) [26] [roll2]

[roll3]
[roll4]

Done.

Stats:
Dense
Location: On horse
HP: 17/26
AC 20 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size)
Amunition: 22

War Horse
Location: S20/T21
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[madtinker]

I am not wielding a sword, but am still standing in mist, rolling misschance (1-20 misses) [roll0]

Motorcycle Rd 6

Actions:
Draw bastard Sword
Attack! [roll1]
Damage [roll2]
Crit [roll3]
Damage [roll4]

Miss chance (1-20) [roll5]

StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 20/28(not including previous hit, if applicable), DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

[Psionic Dog]

Right. Miss-chance.

Dense - Round 7

[roll0] [roll1]
[roll2]

[roll3] [roll4]
[roll5]

[roll6] [roll7]
[roll8]

Lets see what this does before continuing...

[Psionic Dog]

...Horsey, practice is at 7:00 after the match. Be there.

[roll0] [roll=Miss Low]
[roll1]

5-ft step horse down to T20/U21

Done.

Stats
Dense
Location: On horse
HP: 17/26
AC 20 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size)
Amunition: 21

War Horse
Location: T20/U21
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[madtinker]

Motorcycle rd 8

Five foot step to S21
Attack part of you that isn't in fog.
[roll0]
[roll1]
crit [roll2]
[roll3]

StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 12/28, DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

Done

[Psionic Dog]

Dense - Round 8

[roll0] [roll1]
[roll2]

[roll3] [roll4]
[roll5]

[roll6] [roll7]
[roll8]
Bite should have been +1, not +6, for 17


5-ft step mount to U20/V21
Move: Reload Crossbow
Standard: Fire!
[roll9] [roll10]
[roll11]

Done.
Dense
Location: On horse
HP: 17/26
AC 20 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size)
Amunition: 21

War Horse
Location: U20/V21
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[madtinker]

Motorcycle. Rd 8

Move north, braking LoSfrom S21 to J21 to H15. Hide [roll0] Move silently [roll1]

StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 1/28, DR -, Speed 40
AC 21, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None

Done

[Psionic Dog]

If Horse Hoof1 hit that would be, what, 35 points of damage dealt to Motorcycle so far? Moto must have snuck a CureLightWounds somewhere when Dense wasn't looking if he's still standing.

Dense - Slug-fest Round 9

[roll0]
[roll1]

Does Dense hear what direction Moto went after stepping north?
Does the horse currently smell Moto?

Not Done, need LoS.

[Sallera]

Dense:No, and no.

Motorcycle:No LoS.

[Psionic Dog]

Dense Continued

Hm.

Ride Path: Start > T19/U20 > K19/L20 > H22/I23 > H24/I25 >E21/F22.
Move: Reload Crossbow.
Standard: Total Defense. (Occurs at K19/L20 ??)

I think that adds up to my mount's full 100ft of movement.

Will revise if LoS established or of horsey stops smelling anything it detects along the way

Done, but LoS check might be helpful.

Stats:
Dense
Location: On horse
HP: 17/26
AC 24 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size +4 full defense)
Amunition: 20

War Horse
Location: E21/F22 if Moto isn't found.
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[Sallera]

Dense:Your horse stops smelling something when you reach H22/I23.

Dense may revise turn if so wished.

[Psionic Dog]

Dense Revised Continue

I believe reaching H22/I23 took 70ft of movement, so Gnome and Horse will make a quick U-turn and ride 30ft back east to end in H16/I17

Done.

[Sallera]

LoS established as Dense arrives in H16/I17. Motorcycle is in H15.

[madtinker]

I is done running.

Motorcycle Rd 9

Free: Enter Rage
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]
Crit: [roll2]
Damage: [roll3]
Miss (low) [roll4]

StatsMotorcycle
M N Stongheart Halfling Barbarian, Level 2, Init +4, HP 5/32, DR -, Speed 40
AC 19, Touch 15, Flat-footed 17, Fort +6, Ref +4, Will -2, Base Attack Bonus 2
Masterwork Bastard Sword +6 (1d8+2, 19-20x2)
+1 att/dmg within 30 feet Masterwork Sling (24 bullets) +9(TAB + racial + MW) (1d3+2, x2)
Masterwork Chain Shirt, Heavy Wooden Shield (+4 Armor, +2 Shield, +4 Dex, +1 Size)
Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 6, Cha 6
Condition None
Rage 8/8

Done

[Psionic Dog]

Miss. (Dense had taken a Total Defense action)

Dense - Round 10
Move: Dismount into I-15.
5-ft step to H-14.
Fighting Defensively, [roll0]
[roll1] [roll2]

[roll3] [roll4]
[roll5]

[roll6] [roll7]
[roll8]

[roll9] [roll10]
[roll11]

Done.

Stats
Dense
Location: H14
HP: 17/26
AC 22 (+5 armor +1shield +3dex +1size +2 defensive fighting)
Amunition: 20

War Horse
Location: H16/I17
HP: 30/30
AC 16 (+2 armor +4 natural +1 dex -1 size)

[madtinker]

That's game.

Although Motorcycle performed well at level one, he was adapted for the map and able to use it to good advantage. Not true of this arena, and at level two he seems to be badly outclassed. Notwithstanding, well played. I like the horse attacking thing. Four attacks in a single round is not too shabby.

[02youeng]

High Ref 02youeng

By virtue of that horsie being dynamite...

Dense is the winner, and takes home the loot and XP