Thread Nomic

[Bucky]

This thread is a self contained game. I would recommend that any players read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic before posting.

The initial rules of the game are as follows. Note that the newest version of the Rules will be in the last post, and players need to follow the most recent valid version of the rules.


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

[Sitzkrieg]

I propose that new proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Also, I vote in favor of this proposal.

Current Rules:


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

[Bored]

Technically, we are adding new rules, not proposing them. If not, I vote in favor of all proposals for now.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

[Murska]

Considering there's no rules against it...

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, vetoed, voided, changed, edited, removed, have it's words redefined or be briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules. Only Murska can edit or remove rules by any means.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

[PirateMonk]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Does this really count as structured?

[Murska]

Darn you. I'm not really sure, either.

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

[whitehelm]

There isn't even anything saying we must follow the rules at all, so everyone wins! Unless, they don't want to win, in which case I guess they don't.

[Murska]

There isn't even anything saying we must follow the rules at all, so everyone wins! Unless, they don't want to win, in which case I guess they don't.

Read rule 0.

[evnafets]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.


Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

[Bucky]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8723) in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

[PirateMonk]

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8723) in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

In general, those rules are not considered to apply to Structured Games, and furthermore, they state that the rules of each game must be listed in the first post.

[whitehelm]

My half-joking point was that the initial rules by the OP have to have the requirement to follow later rules, otherwise there's no obligation to follow anything after the first post (required by forum rules), including anything added later that tries to force me to follow the rules. Hmm...



Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8723) in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Pirate: They'll apply to this thread if there's a rule saying they do. :smallamused:

[Murska]

Thus, as Rule 7 contradicts itself, I declare Bucky's last post null and void.

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

EDIT: I also declare Whitehelm's post null and void due to ninjaing me. :smallbiggrin:

[whitehelm]

Murska: Congratulations, you just violated Rule #1, as my rule was existing prior to you making your post. I think that makes your new rule invalid or something.

Bucky: As you can see, a good set of initial rules are extremely beneficial to starting a Nomic game. You may want to just create some and restart the entire game.

[Murska]

I decide that people are allowed to ignore the part of rule 1 which states 'Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule' because they're doing it anyway.

Also, Rule 1 does state 'all existing rules' but not 'all existing rules prior to this post' so I, with my authority as the Overlord, interpret it to mean as 'all existing rules after said post'.

[evnafets]

((The way the game is turning out, I think it would actually fit more under SMBG rather than structured))

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Example: evnafets stabs whitehelm for not posting his new rule in green as required by rule 2.
Edit: ARGH! He edited it to be green after this post! The example and rule should still stand though :smallbiggrin:

[whitehelm]

Murska: I make the case that your last rules post is completely invalid, including the new overlord rule, because it doesn't conform to the rules. Bucky Veto'd your Rule 0, which Rule 0 didn't include in its protection of itself. My last rules post is the current valid ruleset. I'll let Bucky figure out what to do now so his thread doesn't get ruined.

evnafets: No Rule preventing fixing of mistakes....

[Murska]

I take the case into consideration as the Overlord and decide that the play be continued according to the ruleset in Evnafet's last post, except for the addition of Rule 0 as it stands in the latest post of mine in which it was mentioned, not including this one.

Thus, for clarity, the current ruleset:

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

I stab Whitehelm for not following rule 1.

[MasterofMockery]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

[Bored]

Rule 0 was vetoed.

EDIT: I'd argue Rule 9 is still technically in play, but what an "Overlord" is is up for grabs...

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void.

[Murska]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7: There is no Rule 7, since it previously contradicted itself.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed. There can only be one Overlord. This Overlord is Murska.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void. The Overlord is exempt from this rule.

Rule 13: Rule 9 took effect before it was implemented, back when Rule 0 was added. Thus, Murska has, after that post, had the right to decide how the rules are interpreted. No other rules may take effect before they have been implemented. This rule takes predecence over all rules which would allow such time shenanigans. This rule cannot be Voided.

Since the post which supposedly Vetoed Rule 0 tried to implement a rule which contradicted itself and thus was null and void, the whole post and therefore also the Vetoing is considered to be null and void. This was the Overlord's official decision on the matter.

[Bucky]

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void.

Rule 13: Rule 9 took effect before it was implemented, back when Rule 0 was added. Thus, Murska has, after that post, had the right to decide how the rules are interpreted. No other rules may take effect before they have been implemented. This rule takes predecence over all rules which would allow such time shenanigans. This rule cannot be Voided.


Rule 14: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to modify the rules. Also, Bucky is the Overlord if no previous rule defines 'Overlord'



Since the post which supposedly Vetoed Rule 0 tried to implement a rule which contradicted itself and thus was null and void, the whole post and therefore also the Vetoing is considered to be null and void. This was the Overlord's official decision on the matter.
Since Rule 0 (which had previously been vetoed) did not exist at the time Rule 9 came into effect, you never had the authority under Rule 9 to nullify the vetoing of Rule 0.

EDIT:Rule 13 was also not in effect at that time because it forbids itself from having taken effect then.

[Murska]

(META) Rule 9 came into existance at the same time as Rule 0, and thus I've always had the authority to decide over everything. Also, Rule 13 permits itself to use time shenanigans, for I, with my Overlord authority, interpret 'no other rules' to mean 'no other rules except for rules 0, 9 and 13'.

Rule 0 has NEVER BEEN VETOED since everything in the post that vetoed it is considered null and void. Thus, I've, again, always had the authority. The timelines are going a bit messy with your removal of rule 13 now, however. :smallbiggrin:

But eh, since you removed 13... I'll go edit some of my previous rules slightly, then.

EDIT: There. Rule 0 never could have been Vetoed.

[Hyozo]

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void.

Rule 13: Rule 9 took effect before it was implemented, back when Rule 0 was added. Thus, Murska has, after that post, had the right to decide how the rules are interpreted. No other rules may take effect before they have been implemented. This rule takes predecence over all rules which would allow such time shenanigans. This rule cannot be Voided.


Rule 14: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to modify the rules. Also, Bucky is the Overlord if no previous rule defines 'Overlord'


Rule 15: Rules made by Murska may be ignored by any player who desires to do so. This rule may not be vetoed by Murska. This rule takes precedence over any rule made by Murska.

:biggrin:

[Murska]

Using Rule 9 and my Overlording skillz I change rule 15 to:

Rule 15: Rules made by Hyozo may be ignored by any player who desires to do so. This rule may not be vetoed by Hyozo. This rule takes precedence over any rule made by Hyozo.

[Hyozo]

(META) And, due to the actual rule 15, people are free to ignore that as we please.

[Murska]

(META) Rule 15 contradicts Rule 9 and Rule 0, and since Rules 9 and 0 are lower-numbered then they take predecence.

[Hyozo]

(META) Except for the fact that they don't, as it specifically says it takes precedence over them.

Please, Murska, just stop trying to ruin the game for everybody else.

[Murska]

(META) The game was ruined by the lack of starting ruleset. It's still got quite a bit of holes after MY rules fixed the most glaring ones.

And as MY rule states to resolve contradictions which would other make the game unplayable, if two rules contradict each other and they both take predecence over the other, the one with lower numbering is counted.

Honestly, I've only taken out the possibility to abuse the most glaring lacks of rulings and installed a way to bring the game out of deadlocks and unplayable situations. It's in no way ruined or unplayable and I don't intend to use my authority (I'll even edit it out once the rules get fleshed out) unless necessary, for reasons such as people TRYING TO REPEAL THE RULE WHICH SAYS PEOPLE MUST FOLLOW RULES.

I'm seemingly the only one who's trying to make the game work instead of just trying to stop me from doing that.

[Bucky]

(META)

@Murska: I am trying to make the game work. Emperical evidence suggests that you are more concerned about entrenching your own position than improving playability. For example, you attempted to repeal Rule 7 (The rule whose main purpose is requiring that players follow the rules) because it appeared in the same post as a veto you disapproved of.

In the observed timeline, you never assumed dictatorial powers under Rule 9, because Rule 9 and the rule defining you as overlord were never in effect at the same time. Rule 13 then took effect but failed to make Rule 9 retroactive, and you lacked the judicial review powers to fix that oversight when you attempted to do so. Rule 13 was then legally vetoed.

You have been acting as if an alternate timeline were in effect. This alternate timeline's only claim to validity is that you decreed it valid at a point where you had the authority to do so under the alternate timeline but not the observed timeline. As a result, the alternate timeline is a closed causal loop.

Since the root authority for this game is the OP, and your claim to authority does not directly follow from anything in the OP, we are playing in the timeline in which you did not assume power under Rule 9.

(This is an official decision under Rule 9 from the Overlord in the observed timeline.)

[Murska]

(META) Rule 7 contradicted itself, thus causing the game to be unplayable. Which I fixed. That same post attempted to Veto the rule which told people to obey rules. Which is obviously another method to break the game.

You've also Vetoed the rule which disallowed editing rules in previous posts. Actually, if we go by your ruleset, there's absolutely nothing preventing me from doing pretty much anything to the ruleset. I could delete all rules, thus, again, rendering the game unplayable.

I say start the game anew with a working ruleset at first. The way I play these kinds of games is try to find loopholes in the rules and exploit them because that's the fun way to play, but with this there's no loopholes, there whole ruleset is pretty much completely void and unable to enforce itself.

I'm enforcing my position since for whatever reason people seem to be working more towards stopping ME from fixing the loopholes via dictatorial powers than actually fixing the loopholes that allowed me to gain such power in the first place.

The most glaring example is you trying to Veto Rule 0, which states that ALL PLAYERS MUST OBEY THE RULES, just to stop me from having authority over disputes and the power to stop things such as, say, people trying to break the game by Vetoing a rule such as the one which tells them to obey rules.

[evnafets]

And why wouldn't we all want Murska as a benevolent dictator and overlord over the entire game?

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void.

Rule 13: Rule 9 took effect before it was implemented, back when Rule 0 was added. Thus, Murska has, after that post, had the right to decide how the rules are interpreted. No other rules may take effect before they have been implemented. This rule takes predecence over all rules which would allow such time shenanigans. This rule cannot be Voided.


Rule 14: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to modify the rules. Also, Bucky is the Overlord if no previous rule defines 'Overlord'

Rule 15: Rules made by Murska may be ignored by any player who desires to do so. This rule may not be vetoed by Murska. This rule takes precedence over any rule made by Murska.

Rule 16: No rule may proclaim precedence over all future rules.

[PirateMonk]

I am trying to make the game work.

If you are trying to make the game work, then why would you allow anyone to change the rules in any way at any time? It should be extremely obvious what the result of that would be, and is.

[Murska]

Exactly, why wouldn't we?

Also, Rule 7 in that ruleset still contradicts itself. It states we must obey the rules in the thread and the rules of this subforum, but we cannot do both since the original post doesn't contain the ruleset. Thus, the only way to play is to ignore this rule. This rule also states that players must obey the rules. Also, since the predecence rule was created by me and anyone may ignore it at will, all rules with predecence are broken. Pretty much everyone is breaking Rule 1, and since we must also follow the rules in the initial post, that Rule 1 aswell.

Multiple people have also changed the ruleset against the rules. Why wouldn't they, since nobody has to follow the rules?

The whole ruleset is so broken that I still claim it's best to start anew with a few initial rules that work a bit better.

Also, rule 15 discriminates against me, which is against the Forum Rules thus contradicting Rule 7 aswell.

EDIT: Cursed ninjas! We'll get you all in the end!

Also, Piratemonk is very right.

[Sitzkrieg]

My, my, my, we've certainly made some progress.


This thread is a self contained game. I would recommend that any players read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic before posting.

The initial rules of the game are as follows. Note that the newest version of the Rules will be in the last post, and players need to follow the most recent valid version of the rules. ((Emphasis Mine))

In response to those who argued that there is no rule that forces us to obey the rules, I argue that although not formally declared in Rule 1, the OP's demand in post one that the rules must be followed is legally binding, on account of the Structured Games forum rules. See forum rules here: Forum Rules. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8723) ((Thanks Bucky))

Rule 5 could not be ratified, on account of rule 4 and OP's demand in post 1. The method for dispute resolution proposed in rule 5, although not a bad one, never took effect on account of Rule 4.

Therefore, because Rule 5 is shown in every subsequent post (mostly), the most recent valid version of the rules is seen in post 5, by PirateMonk.

Rule 0 is still in effect. All rules 6+ are void, on account of their violation of Rule 0 ("to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule.") Remember, Rule 5 was never established, so all rules named 6 or more are in violation of the naming convention.

However, I propose:
Rule 5: The list of new rules must be placed in quote tags in order to be recognized. This list of rules, inside of quote tags, will hereafter be known as ratified rules, and the most recent valid list of rules shall be known as the Bill of Rules. Rules outside of the Bill of Rules shall be considered merely proposals. The process of moving a proposal into the Bill of Rules is known as ratification. Until ratified, proposals are inactive. Ratification:

-may not be performed by the same poster who offered the proposal.
-may not be performed by the same poster while operating under a different name.
-may only be performed by a user who has already posted in this thread when this Rule 5 takes effect.

Only one rule may be ratified per post. To ratify, a user's post must include the formerly proposed rule in pink font, and declare that they are ratifying this rule. The proposal may be included in that post's Bill of Rules in black font, and thereafter will be considered active. The power to ratify may be specifically granted to individual users outside of the original list, but this process must go through the usual ratification process. Rules 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are ratified. Ratified rules cannot be vetoed or removed. However, they may be edited or be declared inactive if this declaration or edit is included in a ratified proposal.




Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: The list of new rules must be placed in quote tags in order to be recognized. This list of rules, inside of quote tags, will hereafter be known as ratified rules, and the most recent valid list of rules shall be known as the Bill of Rules. Rules outside of the Bill of Rules shall be considered merely proposals. The process of moving a proposal into the Bill of Rules is known as ratification. Until ratified, proposals are inactive. Ratification:

-may not be performed by the same poster who offered the proposal.
-may not be performed by the same poster while operating under a different name.
-may only be performed by a user who has already posted in this thread when this Rule 5 takes effect.

Only one rule may be ratified per post. To ratify, a user's post must include the formerly proposed rule in pink font, and declare that they are ratifying this rule. The proposal may be included in that post's Bill of Rules in black font, and thereafter will be considered active. The power to ratify may be specifically granted to individual users outside of the original list, but this process must go through the usual ratification process. Rules 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are ratified. Ratified rules cannot be vetoed or removed. However, they may be edited or be declared inactive if this declaration or edit is included in a ratified proposal.

[Murska]

We were supposed to follow Forum Rules, right? One of the forum rules states this:
•Please, for the love of everyone's sanity number rules, ways to annoy a whatever, etc, in the numbered threads.

This:
and players need to follow the most recent valid version of the rules. is not numbered.

I'm too tired to think right now, however.

[evnafets]

We were supposed to follow Forum Rules, right? One of the forum rules states this:

This: is not numbered.

I'm too tired to think right now, however.

(META)That rule applies to games such as "500 ways to screw up a SMBG" or "74 fun things to stab Murska with"
This is not a "numbered" thread, so that rule does not apply to this game.

Obviously there are different schools of thought on how to have fun with this game. Instead of making up new interesting rules, it seems to be almost "we are tearing down each others rules.

Regarding rule 0, it smacks of "Infinity + 1" type of one upmanship, basically killing the game before it really got started. The proposal of rule zero was to me in the same realm of calling "Morningtown Crescent" on your first turn in the game of that name. Shame on you sir.

[Murska]

I don't see how adding a rule which states 'people must obey rules' is killing the game. The '0' part was just to allow it predecence over everything without complicating the rules too much.

The 'winning the game' and 'Overlord' parts didn't, at that point, even do anything. But then when Rule 4 effectively shut me completely out of the game for fixing the single most blatant oversight in the entire game...

Also, this is very much a numbered thread and however much common sense should be applied, the whole point of this stuff is that they're followed to the letter so one can find loopholes in the wording.

[Bucky]

@Murska: The Overlord clause may not have done anything immediately, but it was definitely a declaration of intent.




Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: The list of new rules must be placed in quote tags in order to be recognized. This list of rules, inside of quote tags, will hereafter be known as ratified rules, and the most recent valid list of rules shall be known as the Bill of Rules. Rules outside of the Bill of Rules shall be considered merely proposals. The process of moving a proposal into the Bill of Rules is known as ratification. Until ratified, proposals are inactive. Ratification:

-may not be performed by the same poster who offered the proposal.
-may not be performed by the same poster while operating under a different name.
-may only be performed by a user who has already posted in this thread when this Rule 5 takes effect.

Only one rule may be ratified per post. To ratify, a user's post must include the formerly proposed rule in pink font, and declare that they are ratifying this rule. The proposal may be included in that post's Bill of Rules in black font, and thereafter will be considered active. The power to ratify may be specifically granted to individual users outside of the original list, but this process must go through the usual ratification process. Rules 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are ratified. Ratified rules cannot be vetoed or removed. However, they may be edited or be declared inactive if this declaration or edit is included in a ratified proposal.


Proposed Rule 6: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to introduce a rule.

[Murska]

Declaration of intent to do what? What fun could I possibly have if the game was completely under my control? I could've made the Rule 0 completely unbreakable by any means and make myself exempt from the rules, giving me the power and authority to do anything I want. So can any of you, right now. But I decided not to, since that'd be boring.

The fact is, there needs to be a basic ruleset that doesn't destroy the game.

Anyway, I'm not going to contribute any more since it appears I'm very unwanted, what with the multiple rules telling me I'm not allowed to play. Have fun.

[Sitzkrieg]

Rule 6: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to introduce a rule.
Ratified

Rule 7: Rule 4 is now to be written and enforced as Rule 4:Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as nothing in particular. This rule cannot be Vetoed.





Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: The list of new rules must be placed in quote tags in order to be recognized. This list of rules, inside of quote tags, will hereafter be known as ratified rules, and the most recent valid list of rules shall be known as the Bill of Rules. Rules outside of the Bill of Rules shall be considered merely proposals. The process of moving a proposal into the Bill of Rules is known as ratification. Until ratified, proposals are inactive. Ratification:

-may not be performed by the same poster who offered the proposal.
-may not be performed by the same poster while operating under a different name.
-may only be performed by a user who has already posted in this thread when this Rule 5 takes effect.

Only one rule may be ratified per post. To ratify, a user's post must include the formerly proposed rule in pink font, and declare that they are ratifying this rule. The proposal may be included in that post's Bill of Rules in black font, and thereafter will be considered active. The power to ratify may be specifically granted to individual users outside of the original list, but this process must go through the usual ratification process. Rules 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are ratified. Ratified rules cannot be vetoed or removed. However, they may be edited or be declared inactive if this declaration or edit is included in a ratified proposal.

Rule 6: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to introduce a rule.

[sankai]

Rule 6: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to introduce a rule.
Ratified

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: The list of new rules must be placed in quote tags in order to be recognized. This list of rules, inside of quote tags, will hereafter be known as ratified rules, and the most recent valid list of rules shall be known as the Bill of Rules. Rules outside of the Bill of Rules shall be considered merely proposals. The process of moving a proposal into the Bill of Rules is known as ratification. Until ratified, proposals are inactive. Ratification:

-may not be performed by the same poster who offered the proposal.
-may not be performed by the same poster while operating under a different name.
-may only be performed by a user who has already posted in this thread when this Rule 5 takes effect.

Only one rule may be ratified per post. To ratify, a user's post must include the formerly proposed rule in pink font, and declare that they are ratifying this rule. The proposal may be included in that post's Bill of Rules in black font, and thereafter will be considered active. The power to ratify may be specifically granted to individual users outside of the original list, but this process must go through the usual ratification process. Rules 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are ratified. Ratified rules cannot be vetoed or removed. However, they may be edited or be declared inactive if this declaration or edit is included in a ratified proposal.

Rule 6: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to introduce a rule.

Rule 7: Rule 4 is now to be written and enforced as Rule 4:Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as nothing in particular. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 8: Rules can be vetoed, but do not have to be ratified. This rule cannot be vetoed and does not need to be ratified.