Things you never noticed

[rainbowjo]

I think I've seen a thread like this before, but it was from months ago, and I don't want to be a necromancer, or maybe it never existed and Im crazy!


Anyways, its a very simple concept, for those of us who read through the archives a lot, we know that there are minute details we don't notice until X times through. Especially for us who haven't been here since the beginning, some of the small details are much more noticeable when its a new comic. Anyways, the point is, post things you just noticed, maybe itll help the rest of us notice them too : )

My most recent one: In comic 514, the box to Haleys right says Gouda, cause we all know hobgoblins cant resist it! :D

[drengnikrafe]

It wasn't until my 3rd readthrough of the comic that I noticed all the little things Haley did early on that showed her interest in Elan. I can't remember anything else off the top of my head right now.

[Tass]

It wasn't until my 3rd readthrough of the comic that I noticed all the little things Haley did early on that showed her interest in Elan.

Such as this. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0002.html) :smalltongue:

[Tala Goodweed]

i have just notice in this strip (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0685.html) that belkar´s skin is more red than always, like he has a tan.
perhaps its because he did not received durkon´s spell, right?

[t_catt11]

Well, yes. That was pretty much explained as the well-deserved comeuppance... he didn't get the spell, thus he is sunburned.

I will admit that it took me a second readthrough to realize that Belkar was following through on his neck hole threat after killing the bug guys.

[Kurald Galain]

Belkar pointing out that Blackwing "obviously" doesn't exist since the bird wasn't there when V fought that death knight. Looking back at that scene, Belkar wasn't there and has no way of knowing that V fought a death knight in the first place...

[Linkavitch]

I will admit that it took me a second readthrough to realize that Belkar was following through on his neck hole threat after killing the bug guys.

Me too, I read it for the second time and I was like, "Is he?...Oh, ewww."

[rewinn]

Belkar pointing out that Blackwing "obviously" doesn't exist since the bird wasn't there when V fought that death knight. Looking back at that scene, Belkar wasn't there and has no way of knowing that V fought a death knight in the first place...
Perhaps it was mentioned in a debrief. Roy seems to trying to be very meticulous in his planning.

[Zanaril]

Perhaps it was mentioned in a debrief. Roy seems to trying to be very meticulous in his planning.

In which case it would be unlikeky that V would have mentioned trying to use BW as a distraction, and so V only has herself to blame.

[Optimystik]

Such as this. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0002.html) :smalltongue:

She was smart enough to know that the singer isn't a good idea for the scouting mission. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0217.html) :smalltongue:

[The Extinguisher]

Belkar pointing out that Blackwing "obviously" doesn't exist since the bird wasn't there when V fought that death knight. Looking back at that scene, Belkar wasn't there and has no way of knowing that V fought a death knight in the first place...

I thought that was the joke.

[Le Piaf]

I will admit that it took me a second readthrough to realize that Belkar was following through on his neck hole threat after killing the bug guys.
:smallbiggrin:
thanks.

[Grey Watcher]

I don't think I noticed until relatively recently that the vial of poison in #435 strip has Mr. Yuk on it.

[King of Nowhere]

I would post a lot of details I didn't noticed... except I don't know what they are cause I never noticed them :smallsmile:

[Elan's Modron]

I posted recently (on another thread) that it took me X number* of read-throughs before I realized that there was wordplay going on between the names of the opposites Vaarsuvius and Pompey.




*where the 'X' stands for 'seXy' **
**not really

[rewinn]

In which case it would be unlikeky that V would have mentioned trying to use BW as a distraction, and so V only has herself to blame.
I disagree.

We have never seen V be actively deceitful except w/regard to the
deal with the IPCC, which is a pretty special case.

When V tried to sacrifice Blackwing, it seemed to be a reasonable tactic; as V later admitted, V was not very caring about Backwing's POV.

At the time of the debriefing, V is going through a major reform effort; admitting previous questionable conduct would be consistent with that.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: V is famously prolix; getting V *not* to give a complete debrief could be explained only by a lack of time.

Bottom line: I don't think this was an overlook.

[David Argall]

We have never seen V be actively deceitful except w/regard to the
deal with the IPCC, which is a pretty special case.
While V is not in the running for most deceitful, she is not above putting the needed spin on statements, as with 41 and 323. So assuming he confessed to using Blackwing as a diversion, while not impossible, is a stretch.



Bottom line: I don't think this was an overlook.
Probably not, at least in the sense that he would like to go back to correct it. Which puts us back to saying there is something very strange about Blackwing, which has affected everybody's memory of him.

[Wych]

Going back through the archive I noticed for the first time a bit of foreshadowing in #338 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0338.html) (V's comment in panel 8).

[Kurald Galain]

Bottom line: I don't think this was an overlook.
Neither do I - I think it's both fully intended and a very good subtle joke.

[Shmigor]

I missed almost all of what the roaches were saying around Xykon until I re-read the strip. That's one of those things that can be picked up the second or third time through without meaning you missed anything crucial and still add to the humor. :roach:

[Silverraptor]

I missed almost all of what the roaches were saying around Xykon until I re-read the strip. That's one of those things that can be picked up the second or third time through without meaning you missed anything crucial and still add to the humor. :roach:

I realized I missed almost all the roach conversations when i got the books and started reading them.:smallsigh:

[Watcher]

It took me more than 7 rereads for me to realize a goblin was saying, "Get it off! Get it off!" in this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0041.html) strip.

[Elan's Modron]

Just noticed a second ago:
Grubbwiggler's assistant http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0575.html
is named 'Giro', an anagram for....yeah.

[rainbowjo]

Just noticed a second ago:
Grubbwiggler's assistant http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0575.html
is named 'Giro', an anagram for....yeah.

Wow! Nice catch!

[Lissou]

Just noticed a second ago:
Grubbwiggler's assistant http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0575.html
is named 'Giro', an anagram for....yeah.

For people who, like me, had trouble figuring what he meant, the answer is "igor".

[Elan's Modron]

For people who, like me, had trouble figuring what he meant, the answer is "igor".

Ah, I guess I could have put the answer in a spoiler. :smallredface: I just wanted people to have the fun of working out the anagram for themselves. :smallsmile:

[Pronounceable]

Orange fiend is making popcorn in 637.

[Hardcore]

Tiniest stick figure ever? Try find Quarr in the first panel of

strip 585 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0585.html)

Yes, he really is in the panel.

[Itous]

heres something you may or may not have noticed which i thought worthy of being pointed out, back when Hayley was arguing with her alter-egos from diffrent phases of her life a version of hayley turns up with short hair in her adventuring gear. later on hayley had her hair cut, could this have a third link to time travel or some kind of spell that makes her dive back into her own mind? and to see what hayleys mind would be like would be insaine if you want my views.

thanks guys, don't be affraid to check it out.


J

[Cleverdan22]

heres something you may or may not have noticed which i thought worthy of being pointed out, back when Hayley was arguing with her alter-egos from diffrent phases of her life a version of hayley turns up with short hair in her adventuring gear. later on hayley had her hair cut, could this have a third link to time travel or some kind of spell that makes her dive back into her own mind? and to see what hayleys mind would be like would be insaine if you want my views.

thanks guys, don't be affraid to check it out.

It was the part of Haley that wanted the comic to go back to being funny. I am 99 percent sure it has nothing to do with time travel or diving back into her mind. Most likely Rich liked the way that style looked on Haley.

[Forbiddenwar]

It wasn't the first time she had her hair cut so short. She cut it short after ending her goth phase. So, it would make sense that some aspect of her personality, the part that rejects EMO goth, would have that short hair, since it reflects her mood at the time of her life.

my uninformed opinion, anyway. It could also that:
how many different ways can you do hairstyles on stick figures anyway. there is bound to be repetition.

[Elan's Modron]

Tiniest stick figure ever? Try find Quarr in the first panel of

strip 585 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0585.html)

Yes, he really is in the panel.

Wow! Well spotted!

[Elan's Modron]

I just realized that in strip 644 I believe- Kato is reading to her unborn kid from the Book of Odad.
I never could figure out where that strange name came from.
Having just struck gold anagramizing "Giro" I tried it again with "Odad." No dice.

But when something isn't an anagram, it's like to be an acronym-
thus:
O.D.A.D. = Original Dungeons and Dragons.
a.k.a. the FIRST First Edition...

Probably people on the forums got that back in the day- but i wasn't reading the forums at that time...

[rainbowjo]

I just realized that in strip 644 I believe- Kato is reading to her unborn kid from the Book of Odad.
I never could figure out where that strange name came from.
Having just struck gold anagramizing "Giro" I tried it again with "Odad." No dice.

But when something isn't an anagram, it's like to be an acronym-
thus:
O.D.A.D. = Original Dungeons and Dragons.
a.k.a. the FIRST First Edition...

Probably people on the forums got that back in the day- but i wasn't reading the forums at that time...


Youre a big one on catching things about names, aren't cha?

[Jokasti]

I just realized that in strip 644 I believe- Kato is reading to her unborn kid from the Book of Odad.
I never could figure out where that strange name came from.
Having just struck gold anagramizing "Giro" I tried it again with "Odad." No dice.

But when something isn't an anagram, it's like to be an acronym-
thus:
O.D.A.D. = Original Dungeons and Dragons.
a.k.a. the FIRST First Edition...

Probably people on the forums got that back in the day- but i wasn't reading the forums at that time...
In the Pendragon series, a DADO is a robotic servent on the planet Quillan.
My theory is that she cheated... with a ROBOT!

[Elan's Modron]

Youre a big one on catching things about names, aren't cha?

Hell, I'm just happy to be catching ANY of 'em...

[Willis888]

In 318 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0318.html) you can Spot Celia in the first frame, behind the curtain.

We learn in 375 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0375.html) that dwarves have two livers (in the note from the dwarven high priest).

484 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html) has a type also - "...he's no match for my two of my ninjas..."

524 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0524.html) has a typo - "...can cause a paladin to stripped of his powers..."

621 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0621.html) has a typo on the top line - "You and you little ranger, too!"

In 653 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0653.html) Tsukiko is carrying a stuffed Xykon doll that she apparently sleeps with.

[Forbiddenwar]

I just realized that in strip 644 I believe- Kato is reading to her unborn kid from the Book of Odad.
I never could figure out where that strange name came from.
Having just struck gold anagramizing "Giro" I tried it again with "Odad." No dice.

But when something isn't an anagram, it's like to be an acronym-
thus:
O.D.A.D. = Original Dungeons and Dragons.
a.k.a. the FIRST First Edition...

Probably people on the forums got that back in the day- but i wasn't reading the forums at that time...

That's pretty amazing. I never realized the depth in this comic. Makes the Oots quiz that much more interesting.

[The Odor]

Love this. In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.htmlthe general fall of the disepearing mamut. In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0450.htmlcan you find Roy, Tsukiko, Redcloak, Mitd, the eye of fear and flame and Belkar.
Bad ones i know but i will look for more.

[Elan's Modron]

Love this. In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.htmlthe general fall of the disepearing mamut. In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0450.htmlcan you find Roy, Tsukiko, Redcloak, Mitd, the eye of fear and flame and Belkar.
Bad ones i know but i will look for more.

Not bad at all!
I for one certainly didn't see all the tiny figures you named in #450. I can believe they're really all there, but they were fun to find! Makes me still more impressed with Mr. Burlew.

[Teddy]

Love this. In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.htmlthe general fall of the disepearing mamut. In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0450.htmlcan you find Roy, Tsukiko, Redcloak, Mitd, the eye of fear and flame and Belkar.
Bad ones i know but i will look for more.

Don't forget the huecuva.

[Lvl45DM!]

Oh and in 450 second panel you can see the hobbo priest san one eye that belkar killed after "buddy roy"

[CoffeeIncluded]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html

I didn't know that was Lirian in the last panel until a couple of weeks ago (I don't have SoD)

[rainbowjo]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html

I didn't know that was Lirian in the last panel until a couple of weeks ago (I don't have SoD)

I know right? I didnt get that for so long!

[Silverraptor]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html

I didn't know that was Lirian in the last panel until a couple of weeks ago (I don't have SoD)

Can I join this club. (Though I realized it was her *after* I got SoD)

[Elan's Modron]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html

I didn't know that was Lirian in the last panel until a couple of weeks ago



Nor I. I thought it was some random summoning spell like- oh- an arcane version of Planar Ally. (From the Sexytime Plane!)
It didn't click with me that it was Lirian until really recently...

[rainbowjo]

Can I join this club. (Though I realized it was her *after* I got SoD)

Same here


Welcome to the club!

[Hardcore]

That is why re-reading is something that pays off to do!:smallsmile:
It is not only that you catch such visible things, but you will also find text references to earlier dialogue etc.

[Tass]

That Haley were speaking the truth when she told Celia (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0648.html) tha Crystal had said she could borrow her knife (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0645.html).

[TheRiov]

I never noticed that V's children are adopted. (though it explains why they have dark skin and neither V nor Inky do.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0631.html (see 3rd row, 2nd panel)

[rainbowjo]

I never noticed that V's children are adopted. (though it explains why they have dark skin and neither V nor Inky do.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0631.html (see 3rd row, 2nd panel)

It also explains that V and Inky aren't necessarily a male-female couple.

[BHodges3]

This thread has been done before... but is always nice to see.

That being said, one of the ones I always liked was towards the end of the fall of Azure City. When Redcloak and the dude are having the spell battle and he asks him about his saves or whatever. He ends up dead. Later you see him in line in Heaven and he says something about having a higher save than he thought.

[Elan's Modron]

It also explains that V and Inky aren't necessarily a male-female couple.

I know, right?

[Elan's Modron]

This thread has been done before... but is always nice to see.

That being said, one of the ones I always liked was towards the end of the fall of Azure City. When Redcloak and the dude are having the spell battle and he asks him about his saves or whatever. He ends up dead. Later you see him in line in Heaven and he says something about having a higher save than he thought.

Wow- I never realized that Cleric and the guy waiting in line in Heaven were the same dude (even though, d'oh me- they look EXACTLY THE SAME). So I never got the joke about "Wait, I got a 22." I thought the guy was just grumbling because he thought he had a better spot in the queue than he did. (Like when you get your number called at a butcher's shop.) Which always seemed like kind of a confusing and not particularly funny joke. Oh Rich! How could I have ever doubted you?

All right- well- while reading back through those strops just now, I noticed that in 446, the aerial view of heads- you can make out many different color-coded warriors- including blue for Azure warriors, green for ghouls, and mauve for Vaarsuvius- who's also clearly blasting a lightning bolt.

EDIT: Actually I guess blue heads are paladins, and steel-gray ones are rank and file Guys & Girls With Halberds...


Man, from now on I'm going over every panel of the comic with a fine-tooth comb...

[DukeGod]

This thread has been done before... but is always nice to see.

That being said, one of the ones I always liked was towards the end of the fall of Azure City. When Redcloak and the dude are having the spell battle and he asks him about his saves or whatever. He ends up dead. Later you see him in line in Heaven and he says something about having a higher save than he thought.
only understood that " I had a 22" later as well
also Tsukiko's sleeping clothes let us see her underwear...
and it is not just her eyes that have different colors,her shoes also are (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0653.html)

[rainbowjo]

This thread has been done before... but is always nice to see.

That being said, one of the ones I always liked was towards the end of the fall of Azure City. When Redcloak and the dude are having the spell battle and he asks him about his saves or whatever. He ends up dead. Later you see him in line in Heaven and he says something about having a higher save than he thought.

I think I said at the beggining that it had been done before but I couldnt find it and did not want to commit thread necromancy if I did find it.

Yeah, that was my favorite thing that took me 5 read throughs to get too :D

[Puns de León]

The brilliant significance of the symmetry in 422 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0422.html). I hadn't noticed this until it was pointed out by someone recently. Take a good look at the order of the characters within the panels (the relation between O-Chul and the MitD is just one neat little piece of foreshadowing). It's nearly a mirror image.

[Zanaril]

The brilliant significance of the symmetry in 422 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0422.html). I hadn't noticed this until it was pointed out by someone recently. Take a good look at the order of the characters within the panels (the relation between O-Chul and the MitD is just one neat little piece of foreshadowing). It's nearly a mirror image.
So what do the demon roaches mean with regards to V? :smalltongue:

[Forbiddenwar]

The brilliant significance of the symmetry in 422 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0422.html). I hadn't noticed this until it was pointed out by someone recently. Take a good look at the order of the characters within the panels (the relation between O-Chul and the MitD is just one neat little piece of foreshadowing). It's nearly a mirror image.

That's amazing! I never saw that before! Roy and (fake)Xykon, Hinjo and redcloak, Ochul and MitD, And halabard guy and Hobogoblin! What a brilliant work!
And yes V and roaches, but not normal roaches, Hippie Roaches. Is this a reference to the recent non blasty changes V is going through?

Edit: Actually it is probably because there won't be a V counterpart in Team Evil until Tsuky joins. So there was no one who could take the slot.

[Puns de León]

It was sooner a hint at the infernal relations V would shortly be entering into, but you can see how there are multiple interpretations. It's satisfying on so many levels!

I was further very impressed at how the characters' actions are mirrored as well. Redcloak and Hinjo are pointing; Redcloak and Hinjo get close-ups in the corner panels...

[Forbiddenwar]

It was sooner a hint at the infernal relations V would shortly be entering into, but you can see how there are multiple interpretations. It's satisfying on so many levels!

I was further very impressed at how the characters' actions are mirrored as well. Redcloak and Hinjo are pointing; Redcloak and Hinjo get close-ups in the corner panels...

Ah. That makes more sense. And, on the mirror, there is a cleric or paladin and there is a zombie. But they are not mirrored. Hmm.

Edit: Oh, but the cleric and the cleric are mirrored.

[Berserk Monk]

I didn't notice Belkar was urinating in the bug's corpse in strip 685 until I reread it again.

[DukeGod]

in the last panel of strip 437 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0437.html)the old guy makes an Attack of Opportunity,and we can see the AOO sound...I guess at least

[Forbiddenwar]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0570.html

Scruffy doesn't want to be thrown up on, I just noticed his worried face (ii)

[Elan's Modron]

I don't understand the joke/point of why the big price-tag is still conspicuously dangling from Redcloak's telescope in strips like:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0447.html

Thoughts?

[Katana_Geldar]

Eric Greenhilt in this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0113.html) comic.

[Defiant]

The brilliant significance of the symmetry in 422 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0422.html). I hadn't noticed this until it was pointed out by someone recently. Take a good look at the order of the characters within the panels (the relation between O-Chul and the MitD is just one neat little piece of foreshadowing). It's nearly a mirror image.

That is amazing!

[Forbiddenwar]

In WAXPs
Rich's figure in the beginning looks really irratated at the Elan figure, who is shouting "Hi Rich!!"

[Gorgondantess]

I don't understand the joke/point of why the big price-tag is still conspicuously dangling from Redcloak's telescope in strips like:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0447.html

Thoughts?

It's a DnD joke; the spyglass is ridiculously expensive, being a noncombat, nonmagical item at 1,000 gp. So... the nifty pricetag.

[Elan's Modron]

It's a DnD joke; the spyglass is ridiculously expensive, being a noncombat, nonmagical item at 1,000 gp. So... the nifty pricetag.

That's kinda what I suspected, but wasn't sure. Thanks!


Great avy, by the way!
>quietly begins to eat his own left hand, while humming tunelessly - as the horror of epic cosmic abomination shreds his pathetic notions that there can ever be such things as 'safety' or 'sanity'...<

[Forbiddenwar]

That's kinda what I suspected, but wasn't sure. Thanks!


Great avy, by the way!
>quietly begins to eat his own left hand, while humming tunelessly - as the horror of epic cosmic abomination shreds his pathetic notions that there can ever be such things as 'safety' or 'sanity'...<

Speaking of Avy's and things I never noticed . . .
Well, I just figured out your Avy and name. Take after Belkar's angel, right? Neat.

[Elan's Modron]

Speaking of Avy's and things I never noticed . . .
Well, I just figured out your Avy and name. Take after Belkar's angel, right? Neat.

:smallwink:

[Kaytara]

That's amazing! I never saw that before! Roy and (fake)Xykon, Hinjo and redcloak, Ochul and MitD, And halabard guy and Hobogoblin! What a brilliant work!
And yes V and roaches, but not normal roaches, Hippie Roaches. Is this a reference to the recent non blasty changes V is going through?

Edit: Actually it is probably because there won't be a V counterpart in Team Evil until Tsuky joins. So there was no one who could take the slot.

Plus, the colours. Red roaches, pink text. Red robes, pink magic. :D

[Hardcore]

Sry, but I think you read things that are not there. Rich definitely wanted to show both sides, pre-battle, so to speak. Going from there to ideas of foreshadowing etc. is to stretch it IMO. Two sides, and both have soldiers, leaders and characters that interact and make plans etc. Amazing!:smallsmile:
Oh they have the same colors! That must mean something! (yeah, there is only limited number to use in a cartoon:smallsmile:)
That there is no secret code is shown in that the number stick figures on both pages don't exactly match:smallbiggrin:

[Defiant]

Sry, but I think you read things that are not there. Rich definitely wanted to show both sides, pre-battle, so to speak. Going from there to ideas of foreshadowing etc. is to stretch it IMO. Two sides, and both have soldiers, leaders and characters that interact and make plans etc. Amazing!:smallsmile:
Oh they have the same colors! That must mean something! (yeah, there is only limited number to use in a cartoon:smallsmile:)
That there is no secret code is shown in that the number stick figures on both pages don't exactly match:smallbiggrin:

The consistency of the symmetry and the appropriateness must mean that it was well thought-out. I am of the firm belief that Mr. Burlew knows quite well what he's doing with this story, and would likely place various foreshadowing clues here and there.

[Miklus]

The brilliant significance of the symmetry in 422 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0422.html). I hadn't noticed this until it was pointed out by someone recently. Take a good look at the order of the characters within the panels (the relation between O-Chul and the MitD is just one neat little piece of foreshadowing). It's nearly a mirror image.

Wow, you're right! I did see that it was supposed to be similar, but not that it was mirrored character by character.

[waterpenguin43]

It took me more than 7 rereads for me to realize a goblin was saying, "Get it off! Get it off!" in this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0041.html) strip.

Hey, Tsusiko said that too!!!
Except it was for Belkar's pet.

[Spiky]

Crystal had said she could borrow her knife (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0645.html).

I think perhaps the most amazing portion of that strip is that V agrees with Belkar.

[marcelopvf]

Strip 484: We can see Xykon casting Cloister. At the time, we didn't know exactly what he was doing.

Strip 485, second page, third painel: roy's father talks about him getting trained by a master in the afterlife. Just before he gets resurrected he is actually trained by a master in the afterlife.

[Forbiddenwar]

Strip 484: We can see Xykon casting Cloister. At the time, we didn't know exactly what he was doing.

Strip 485, second page, third painel: roy's father talks about him getting trained by a master in the afterlife. Just before he gets resurrected he is actually trained by a master in the afterlife.

I guess it really is DBZ.:smalltongue:

[Lvl45DM!]

And you know if there were 6 diamonds in the bag that was stolen from D and then Haley's extra one...
7 magic stones :D

[Forbiddenwar]

In SOD:

one of the symbols on the Stargate is ???

[Lvl45DM!]

During the trial scene in Shojo's palace aonly the PC's have those spotlights on them

[The Odor]

I have not fund anything new. And I am on my tenth reread so i will keep hunting.

[The Odor]

Found bad one this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0654.html) the go game is still on the floor sorry about dubble post

[TheRiov]

First panel here:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0543.html

Contrasted with
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0661.html

--Apparently wanting it to happen *IS* enough. Also implying the MitD has some instinctual understanding of his powers.

[Miklus]

In SOD:

one of the symbols on the Stargate is ???



...a peace symbol?

[Neopolis]

Hey, Tsusiko said that too!!!
I believe the appropiate way to say it is "That's what she said". *nod*

[Herald Alberich]

During the trial scene in Shojo's palace aonly the PC's have those spotlights on them

Shojo has a blue one. And I just noticed that when he dies, it goes out (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0407.html).

[ChrisFortyTwo]

...a peace symbol?


SOD:

Yes, there is a peace symbol, but I think he was referring to a literal set of three question marks. "???" It is almost directly across from the peace symbol.



OOoPCs:

Maybe others noticed this, too, but I liked the other gravestones and epitaphs around Eugene's grave. I also like how they use multiple date ranges for resurrections.

Bloodmask the Unholy - "Not coming back as a vampire. Honest."
Leeron the Unlucky - 1014-1041, 1041-1041, 1041-1041, 1041-1041

[Teddy]

Shojo has a blue one. And I just noticed that when he dies, it goes out (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0407.html).

And the Chair of Truth (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0271.html) has got it's own spotlight too.

And when I'm at it, the psychologist in that strip reappears in Cliffport (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0346.html).

[Hardcore]

Belkars clothes changes color when he get improved wisdom (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0058.html)

[Pilot3lite]

Idk about you guys but *I* never noticed this until my last re-read of the archive. 4th panel (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0541.html)
When Mitd bets real monopoly money, the roach that says "take the bet" has the monopoly man hat and stache, and is standing on a monopoly house.

[Forbiddenwar]

Idk about you guys but *I* never noticed this until my last re-read of the archive. 4th panel (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0541.html)
When Mitd bets real monopoly money, the roach that says "take the bet" has the monopoly man hat and stache, and is standing on a monopoly house.

OMG wow!. How'd I miss that before!

[Lvl45DM!]

I saw that the first time, and nearly wet myself

[Zedd]

It's a DnD joke; the spyglass is ridiculously expensive, being a noncombat, nonmagical item at 1,000 gp. So... the nifty pricetag.

Oh, my, this screams FIRST QUEST all over

[Kaytara]

Sry, but I think you read things that are not there. Rich definitely wanted to show both sides, pre-battle, so to speak. Going from there to ideas of foreshadowing etc. is to stretch it IMO. Two sides, and both have soldiers, leaders and characters that interact and make plans etc. Amazing!:smallsmile:
I don't know if you noticed, but the placement of those characters isn't random. Hinjo, a paladin of the Sapphire Guard, is opposite of Redcloak, a cleric of the Red Mantle, sworn enemies. Roy, leader of the Order, is opposite of Xykon, leader of Team Evil and personal enemy. A random goblin mook is opposite a random human mook. A spellcasting goblin mook is opposite a human spellcaster.

For my part, I wasn't necessarily implying that the demon roaches are supposed to foreshadow V's deal with the fiends. It's entirely too invisible a link to be a foreshadowing, anyway, more like a treat for the hindsight. I was just pointing out that V and the roaches share colours and that's why the symmetry works.
I do think the link between V and the roaches is probably intentional. And the link between O-Chul and the MitD probably too. We have Rich explicitly saying that there's a clue in one of the battle strips as to what O-Chul's purpose was going to be. It may as well be this one.


Oh they have the same colors! That must mean something! (yeah, there is only limited number to use in a cartoon:smallsmile:)
What? Since when? :smallconfused: Last I checked, Rich doesn't limit himself to 16 colours or anything like that.

That there is no secret code is shown in that the number stick figures on both pages don't exactly match:smallbiggrin:
Actually, they DO exactly match. The only exception is with the demon roaches, and that only if we count the two roaches as separate figures rather than a single picture element.

[Tass]

Also note that while the characters are mirrored, the speak balloons match pretty well when simply translated. Especially the second line.

[Hardcore]

I don't know if you noticed, but the placement of those characters isn't random. Hinjo, a paladin of the Sapphire Guard, is opposite of Redcloak, a cleric of the Red Mantle, sworn enemies.
Roy, leader of the Order, is opposite of Xykon, leader of Team Evil and personal enemy. A random goblin mook is opposite a random human mook. A spellcasting goblin mook is opposite a human spellcaster.
Yes, and they foreshadow what exactly?:smallconfused:
There are many possible combinations of protagonists and antagonist. If haley had been in the picture oppposite to Redcloak it would have foreshadow her attempt at sniping him when he enters the castle. Belkar opposite to a goblin"mook" would have foreshadowed his ascendancy to halfling godhood:smallbiggrin: etc.


I was just pointing out that V and the roaches share colours and that's why the symmetry works.

Yes, it is very clear Rich used symmetry as a tool to show us both sides before battle, and for artistic effect. But going from symmetry to foreshadowing takes not observation, but imagination.
But we will soon see won't we? The next book is soon out :smallsmile: and Rich will certainly have something to say on the matter of O-chul and MitD in the commentaries.

[Miklus]

[QUOTE=ChrisFortyTwo;7153276]SOD:

Yes, there is a peace symbol, but I think he was referring to a literal set of three question marks. "???" It is almost directly across from the peace symbol.


Oh, I thought it was a riddle! Well, there is a peace symbol too...and *I* spotted it first! YAY me! So peace is opposite "???"...Very interresting...The question is peace...or is peace the answer???

[Herald Alberich]

And the Chair of Truth (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0271.html) has got it's own spotlight too.

And when I'm at it, the psychologist in that strip reappears in Cliffport (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0346.html).

And the laywers, but only during the closing arguments (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0282.html).

[veti]

The guard monster outside Xykon's tower, when asleep, snores (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0193.html) with a single 'Z.', rather than the more usual 'Zzzz'

The similar guard monster in DCF, as it hits Roy, says '2.'
Nice touch, which only just occurred to me.

[Kaytara]

Yes, and they foreshadow what exactly?:smallconfused:
There are many possible combinations of protagonists and antagonist. If haley had been in the picture oppposite to Redcloak it would have foreshadow her attempt at sniping him when he enters the castle. Belkar opposite to a goblin"mook" would have foreshadowed his ascendancy to halfling godhood:smallbiggrin: etc.
I wasn't talking about foreshadowing in this context, I was talking about significance. :D Not the same thing. I also specifically said that I don't think the link between V and the roaches and O-Chul and the MitD is meant to be foreshadowing, more like a treat for re-reading.

Good foreshadowing is the kind of thing that you miss at first, but when you eventually look back, you go all "Gah! I can't believe I missed that clue!"
Not really one's reaction upon re-reading that strip, is it? :D It's more of a "Wow, that's neat!" thing. Essentially the point of this thread. I'm just arguing that I don't think it's coincidence, which is what I thought you were implying.

[CoffeeIncluded]

Hang on a sec...

Remember when Belkar said that Redcloak is probably 17th level, and therefore can cast True Resurrection?

...I smell possible redemption.

[Forbiddenwar]

Hang on a sec...

Remember when Belkar said that Redcloak is probably 17th level, and therefore can cast True Resurrection?

...I smell possible redemption.

Actually . . .


No.
I don't remember, can you link it?

[Watcher]

Here it is. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0579.html)

[Grey Watcher]

I wasn't talking about foreshadowing in this context, I was talking about significance. :D Not the same thing. I also specifically said that I don't think the link between V and the roaches and O-Chul and the MitD is meant to be foreshadowing, more like a treat for re-reading.

Good foreshadowing is the kind of thing that you miss at first, but when you eventually look back, you go all "Gah! I can't believe I missed that clue!"
Not really one's reaction upon re-reading that strip, is it? :D It's more of a "Wow, that's neat!" thing. Essentially the point of this thread. I'm just arguing that I don't think it's coincidence, which is what I thought you were implying.

You know, now that you've pointed out the mirror image and the connectsions between the characters, the layout for that strip just revealed an exponential increase in awesomeness to me. I only wish either the Azurite's or the Hobgoblins in line 2 were in reverse order so the symmetry was maintained throughout. Though I do like that "*sigh* Politics as usual." and "brains" are equated. Both seem equally relevant and equally helpful. :D

[AxeD]

I never realised that Miko got killed by the chair (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0464.html) that she attacked. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0406.html)

Divine retribution or what?

[Acero]

I never realised that Miko got killed by the chair (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0464.html)
Divine retribution or what?

i just realized the lower half of her body is on-panel....
2nd to last strip, by the chair

[rainbowjo]

I never realised that Miko got killed by the chair (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0464.html) that she attacked. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0406.html)

Divine retribution or what?

Wow!
Thats amazing.

[Optimystik]

Question for the observant: I can't make out what it says on the menu in the last panel of this strip. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0444.html) Can anyone read it?

[Lvl45DM!]

White omelette with...something 10 gold
white omelette sounds like a flumph :D

[Lvl45DM!]

oo in the last panel Roy is playing with the sand :D i dont know why that matters...but its cool! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0686.html)

[Elan's Modron]

Question for the observant: I can't make out what it says on the menu in the last panel of this strip. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0444.html) Can anyone read it?


Pretty sure it's: Egg-White Omelets with Mimosas

A 'mimosa' being a typical drink served with classy brunches: they're orange juice mixed with (I think) champagne - and served in champagne glasses, just like the ones on the flumphs' table...

[Porthos]

Question for the observant: I can't make out what it says on the menu in the last panel of this strip. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0444.html) Can anyone read it?

Mimosis? Mimosas? Let me Google.

Mimosas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimosa_(cocktail)) looks to be the safe bet. :smallsmile:

EDIT:::: Arrgh. Didn't see that this had been answered. Well, take it as independent confirmation then. :smalltongue:

[Shhalahr Windrider]

oo in the last panel Roy is playing with the sand :D i dont know why that matters...but its cool! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0686.html)
Just seems to be scattering some sand in the air to demonstrate the ground is soft. About half the cloud seems to be sand that still hasn't fully settled from him getting tossed from the bug, though.

[Lvl45DM!]

yeah i get hes proving his point its just such a tiny insignifigant detail that i love the giant for putting it in

[Dark Faun]

I just noticed the huge bugs the slavers are riding have one huge red eye next to a tiny red dot instead of eyes of similar size. :smallsmile:

[Elan's Modron]

I just noticed the huge bugs the slavers are riding have one huge red eye next to a tiny red dot instead of eyes of similar size. :smallsmile:

No, if you look at the first appearance of the giant bugs, (strip 683 perhaps?) you can see they have two big red eyes that sandwich two smaller ones...

[Magnema]

I just recognized two people in this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0271.html) strip.
The diviner is Saangwan (Yes I know that's obvious... :smallsigh:)
And the old man is the wise old man from this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0121.html) strip.

[Elan's Modron]

I said this on another thread awhile ago, but -
Eve & Larry from (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0135.html)

have equally mathematically-challenged counterparts on the Western Continent (first-panel)
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0677.html)

~EM

[Forbiddenwar]

I said this on another thread awhile ago, but -
Eve & Larry from (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0135.html)

have equally mathematically-challenged counterparts on the Western Continent (first-panel)
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0677.html)

~EM

I don't see it. Larry and eve had a problem with math (spending more money to make a product than what they were selling it for) and other the couple had a problem with the rules of the game (not math) also they don't look anything alike.

[Forbiddenwar]

I just recognized two people in this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0271.html) strip.
The diviner is Saangwan (Yes I know that's obvious... :smallsigh:)
And the old man is the wise old man from this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0121.html) strip.

there is no man in the strip you linked. Perhaps you meant this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0122.html) strip.

[Elan's Modron]

I don't see it. Larry and eve had a problem with math (spending more money to make a product than what they were selling it for) and other the couple had a problem with the rules of the game (not math) also they don't look anything alike.



Physically: different skin tones, but same facial hair/hairstyles (or lack there of.)

Conceptually: A male/female twosome, in a store selling magical supplies, completely not understanding how basic pricing works??

Furthermore- if the Western Continent twosome weren't nods to Larry & Eve, why would they be there? Their joke is only so-so funny if they're not counterparts, but much funnier if they ARE- it would be a weird throwaway gag otherwise, IMHO...

[Shale]

The joke is that, under a literal reading of the rules, he's right - D&D measures jewels and spell components in value, not size or weight, so you can read that rule as saying that the Hope Diamond, if purchased for 1 gp, becomes 1 gp worth of diamonds.

Which isn't to say it's necessarily coincidence that Burlew used an old man with a goatee paired with a young woman with shoulder-length hair to poke fun at the economics of magic items, but, well, see my sig.

[Magnema]

there is no man in the strip you linked. Perhaps you meant this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0122.html) strip.

Ayup.Good for you if you find this!

[Puns de León]

The camel trader who thanks Roy is also seen at the onset of the beetle attack in 683 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0683.html).

[Ted The Bug]

"He likes it! Mikey likes it!" (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0476.html) is a reference to this, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc) I think.

[mofabulous]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0405.html

Mr Scruffy walks towards Belkar in the 7th panel and in the 8th panel Belkar is petting him while Shojo and Roy talk. Never noticed that the first time I read the comic.

Just another one of those foreshadowing things that Rich does for the comic. Minor event, but it was part of how Mr Scruffy became Belkars animal companion.

Damn Rich is amazing.

[NerfTW]

Not to dissuade praise to a good writer, but seriously, this "Rich is amazing because he understands basic principles of foreshadowing, which I've never seen because I only read fan fiction and bad webcomics" is getting a bit overblown.


Yes, he's a good writer. This is what good writers do. It's not really that amazing that when one has a plot mapped out, they make sure to properly foreshadow it.

[mofabulous]

Come on man. These things are so random at the time, but later are often huge events. When you first read the comic who would think anything about Mr Scruffy and Belkar bonding? Seriously? That was what a hundred strips before Belkar found him in the sewers beneath the city.

Thats some FAR ranging foreshadowing. In fact its strip 516 ( from 405 ) that is where Belkar finds Mr Scruffy. How many storytellers plan such a minor detail like that for their story? If you can't see how thats some serious detail planning then your blind.

[Mystic Muse]

Come on man. These things are so random at the time, but later are often huge events. When you first read the comic who would think anything about Mr Scruffy and Belkar bonding? Seriously? That was what a hundred strips before Belkar found him in the sewers beneath the city.

Thats some FAR ranging foreshadowing. In fact its strip 516 ( from 405 ) that is where Belkar finds Mr Scruffy. How many storytellers plan such a minor detail like that for their story? If you can't see how thats some serious detail planning then your blind.

I question whether this is actual foreshadowing. It may in fact be totally random.

[Shale]

I don't doubt that it's foreshadowing, I just don't see how it's anything special for something plotted like OotS is. Rich isn't making the strip up as he goes along, and anybody who's in a similar position, coming up with a story arc and then publishing it over a period of years, has any number of opportunities to throw in little tidbits like that.

[spargel]

Thats some FAR ranging foreshadowing. In fact its strip 516 ( from 405 ) that is where Belkar finds Mr Scruffy. How many storytellers plan such a minor detail like that for their story? If you can't see how thats some serious detail planning then your blind.

Thought Process:

I'm going to kill off Shojo in a couple of strips.
What am I going to do with the cat?
I'll just give it to Belkar for some reason.
Now to insert some minor foreshadowing.

If it's foreshadowing, it's pretty simplistic.

[DBJack]

Thought Process:

I'm going to kill off Shojo in a couple of strips.
What am I going to do with the cat?
I'll just give it to Belkar for some reason.
Now to insert some minor foreshadowing.

If it's foreshadowing, it's pretty simplistic.

Why make a deal about the cat? No one noticed Mr. Scruffy was even really gone until he returned. Mr. Scruffy was needed to show Belkar's more compassionate side and to give Shojo a reason to help Belkar realize how to fake character growth.

If this was random, or a coincidence, why would it be shown? It's in the background, and it's not a joke, or filler, or relevant to the strips before or after it for hundreds more. Why would this have been included if it was meanlingless. Not all foreshadowing has to be BAM! Elan picked up the Girdle of F/M or BAM! When the goat turns red strike true! They can be quiet scenes in the background or a some word choices

[spargel]

Why make a deal about the cat? No one noticed Mr. Scruffy was even really gone until he returned. Mr. Scruffy was needed to show Belkar's more compassionate side and to give Shojo a reason to help Belkar realize how to fake character growth.


The author had to think of what to do with the cat after Shojo dies, and he simply decided to give it to Belkar.



If this was random, or a coincidence, why would it be shown? It's in the background, and it's not a joke, or filler, or relevant to the strips before or after it for hundreds more. Why would this have been included if it was meanlingless. Not all foreshadowing has to be BAM! Elan picked up the Girdle of F/M or BAM! When the goat turns red strike true! They can be quiet scenes in the background or a some word choices

I'm arguing that it's not as complicated as the thread author thinks it is, not that it wasn't foreshadowing.

[mofabulous]

Arguably this is a minor thing. It's just interesting because when I've read the entire comic at least ten times. And I never once noticed that. Did any of you pick up on it?

Did anyone catch that? I've read that other topic about thread that Odinswatcher linked and I don't recall this in that thread.

I just figured you all would be interested in it too. Mr Scruffy and Belkar was planned over a hundred strips before it even happened. Thats pretty cool to me.

[spargel]

I just figured you all would be interested in it too. Mr Scruffy and Belkar was planned over a hundred strips before it even happened. Thats pretty cool to me.

The author already claims that he has the basic structure of the ending planned, so it's not really surprising for me.

[Jackson]

While I don't disagree that it's hardly remarkable for a storyteller to plan ahead and leave small, barely noticeable clues as to his plan (it's actually ridiculously common, even if this particular case is subtler than usual), I think it's fair to let somebody have their moment of awe upon discovering one of those clues in retrospect.

In other words: is it amazing that he had planned the Scruffy/Belkar relationship out 100 strips in advance? Not really. Is it cool, not to mention fun, to pick up on the earliest sign that it was planned out that far in advance? Definitely.

[Forbiddenwar]

When considering the medium, far-ranged foreshadowing, like this, is unusual. Rich has stated early on that he knows how the comic will end, but to have it planned out to such detail . . .
Well, we don't normally see that in webcomics. Some television, like B5, yes and in well written series of novels, (when a small note appears in book 3 and then turns the whole plot in book 4) yes, but not in webcomics.

[Ehra]

While I don't disagree that it's hardly remarkable for a storyteller to plan ahead and leave small, barely noticeable clues as to his plan (it's actually ridiculously common, even if this particular case is subtler than usual), I think it's fair to let somebody have their moment of awe upon discovering one of those clues in retrospect.

In other words: is it amazing that he had planned the Scruffy/Belkar relationship out 100 strips in advance? Not really. Is it cool, not to mention fun, to pick up on the earliest sign that it was planned out that far in advance? Definitely.

Pretty much this. Not everyone lives on these forums, let them have their moment.

[Thajocoth]

Foreshadowing is when somebody over-analyzes a work of fiction to find clues to what they already know happens later that are usually only there because characters happen to have developed personalities.

Good writers don't go "Hmm... I should add some foreshadowing here. Let me contrive how the characters will act." They instead go "Given their personalities, situations and knowledge, these characters would likely act like this." Then, later, when characters still have a consistent personality, like any well-written character should, everyone seems to call it foreshadowing.

Most of the things you learn in English class are like that though... They should really stick to vocabulary, grammar, linguistics and reading. Most of the analysis of fiction is contrived, useless, and takes away from time that could be better spent on other aspects of the language. Linguistics is, generally, ignored entirely.

Scruffy is a pretty friendly cat in that comic. Belkar apparently likes cats. Simple personality traits. Later, Belkar still likes cats, and Scruffy likes getting food and attention, 'cause he's a cat. Belkar feeds and takes care of him, so he still likes Belkar. I see no foreshadowing. I see consistent characters.

[BatRobin]

That is in no way what foreshadowing is. If that's what you think it is, I command to to read Book 5 of HP. NAO.

[CrimsonAngel]

Arguably this is a minor thing. It's just interesting because when I've read the entire comic at least ten times. And I never once noticed that. Did any of you pick up on it?

Did anyone catch that? I've read that other topic about thread that Odinswatcher linked and I don't recall this in that thread.

I just figured you all would be interested in it too. Mr Scruffy and Belkar was planned over a hundred strips before it even happened. Thats pretty cool to me.

I mock your definition of 'cool'.

[LtKillroy]

Read a book like Catch-22 or watch Arrested Development and then we'll talk about great foreshadowing. This is good, but nothing much to write home about.

[Gandariel]

in strip 463 you can see Xykon and Redcloak going away from the blue explosion, i didn't notice it before reading that strip again

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0463.html

[Mc. Lovin']

I only wish either the Azurite's or the Hobgoblins in line 2 were in reverse order so the symmetry was maintained throughout. Though I do like that "*sigh* Politics as usual." and "brains" are equated.

Actually they are, the "politics" one is linked with the "Oh man!" hobo, as they're both casters. the zombie is supposed to be a mook

[Forbiddenwar]

That is in no way what foreshadowing is. If that's what you think it is, I command to to read Book 5 of HP. NAO.

Or, since it doesn't sound like Thaj enjoys reading, he can read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreshadowing) short bit on the definition of foreshadowing.
It is far more than characterization. Setting, plot and props (checkovs gun) can be used as forshadowing and can be hinted at from foreshadowing.

[Thajocoth]

Or, since it doesn't sound like Thaj enjoys reading, he can read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreshadowing) short bit on the definition of foreshadowing.
It is far more than characterization. Setting, plot and props (checkovs gun) can be used as forshadowing and can be hinted at from foreshadowing.

I have nothing against reading. I just don't put so much analysis on what I read that I see things the actual author of the works doesn't know about. It's not limited purely to character's personalities, sure... But it's still just a matter of being consistent. If the person writes anything consistent, people are going to see foreshadowing in it. If an author specifically plans to force foreshadowing in, it will appear out of place and unnatural. The same goes for most other literary things people are taught in English classes to look for.

[spargel]

Or, since it doesn't sound like Thaj enjoys reading,

How in the world did you come to that conclusion?

[SensFan]

I have nothing against reading. I just don't put so much analysis on what I read that I see things the actual author of the works doesn't know about. It's not limited purely to character's personalities, sure... But it's still just a matter of being consistent. If the person writes anything consistent, people are going to see foreshadowing in it. If an author specifically plans to force foreshadowing in, it will appear out of place and unnatural. The same goes for most other literary things people are taught in English classes to look for.
A few things:

1) A literary work, if it's good enough, will become far more than the author originally intended, and will take on meanings the author never meant. It may even be influenced by things that are written after it.
2) You seem to put very little faith in the abilities of authors to be subtle.

[Thajocoth]

A few things:

1) A literary work, if it's good enough, will become far more than the author originally intended, and will take on meanings the author never meant. It may even be influenced by things that are written after it.
2) You seem to put very little faith in the abilities of authors to be subtle.

1 - That is exactly my point. People wind up seeing all sorts of things the author did not originally intend. It's because they're reading things that aren't there and connecting dots that were never meant to be connected. Actually, that makes a good metaphor here... A game of connect the dots. If you follow the author's numbered dots, you get the image they intended you to see. If you connect the dots purely at random, you can get another image entirely, but that image has absolutely nothing to do with the first image.

1b - Wait, are you claiming that a good author actually bends time in impossible ways? It is not possible, by definition, for an author's influences on a particular book to come AFTER a work is published. Any influencing related to the work would be exclusively FROM the work. All the weird insane theories of English professors are influenced by the original but belong solely to the ones who thought up the theories, bearing no real attachment to the author's work.

2 - I don't see how I'm claiming that at all. Authors can be subtle. It doesn't mean they're tossing in foreshadowing or other similar things...

[SensFan]

1 - That is exactly my point. People wind up seeing all sorts of things the author did not originally intend. It's because they're reading things that aren't there and connecting dots that were never meant to be connected. Actually, that makes a good metaphor here... A game of connect the dots. If you follow the author's numbered dots, you get the image they intended you to see. If you connect the dots purely at random, you can get another image entirely, but that image has absolutely nothing to do with the first image.

1b - Wait, are you claiming that a good author actually bends time in impossible ways? It is not possible, by definition, for an author's influences on a particular book to come AFTER a work is published. Any influencing related to the work would be exclusively FROM the work. All the weird insane theories of English professors are influenced by the original but belong solely to the ones who thought up the theories, bearing no real attachment to the author's work.

2 - I don't see how I'm claiming that at all. Authors can be subtle. It doesn't mean they're tossing in foreshadowing or other similar things...
1 - You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you claim that stuff like 'foreshadowing' isn't 'artificial', it comes naturally based on the author keeping characters consistant, and is only noticed as such by the fans. Then, by definition, if things like that aren't purposefully added in by the author, then there will be things that the fans notice, things that the author had only previously thought of as "the character acting naturally."
1b - Sort of, yes. Take Hamlet for example. With all the things written about it since Shakespeare's time, and all the elements of intertextuality in reference to it, the play itself has taken on much deeper and mixed meaning than it did in the past.

[Thajocoth]

1 - You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you claim that stuff like 'foreshadowing' isn't 'artificial', it comes naturally based on the author keeping characters consistant, and is only noticed as such by the fans. Then, by definition, if things like that aren't purposefully added in by the author, then there will be things that the fans notice, things that the author had only previously thought of as "the character acting naturally."
1b - Sort of, yes. Take Hamlet for example. With all the things written about it since Shakespeare's time, and all the elements of intertextuality in reference to it, the play itself has taken on much deeper and mixed meaning than it did in the past.

1 - I don't see the contradiction. Also, "On the one hand" usually precedes one thing which is then followed by "but on the other hand" and then something counter to the first thing. I think you may have left out half of what you were trying to say there...

1b - Does it really though? Or does it just for people who read into things to deeply?

[AlfredAmeoba]

Animal companion? Holy cow, that completely went over my head.

The giant is a great writer, but "I didn't think this comic had that much foresight." Probably just a coincidence, I think it probably has to do with Belkar's lack of attentions span.

[Kish]

2 - I don't see how I'm claiming that at all. Authors can be subtle. It doesn't mean they're tossing in foreshadowing or other similar things...
That's the point. You're saying that foreshadowing is always forced and artificial. That's the same as saying that no author can foreshadow anything subtly.

[Thajocoth]

That's the point. You're saying that foreshadowing is always forced and artificial. That's the same as saying that no author can foreshadow anything subtly.

I don't think any good author foreshadows anything purposely, let alone subtly. That was my point. All those things there are literary terms for are things some readers see, but not things authors add.

[SensFan]

Isn't the mark of a great author that your readers can discover things about your world/characters/etc that even you hadn't thought of precisely, due to the versimilitude of your world?

[spargel]

Isn't the mark of a great author that your readers can discover things about your world/characters/etc that even you hadn't thought of precisely, due to the versimilitude of your world?

No, not really.

[Lvl45DM!]

Wait wait so nobody can foreshadow?

so like when Shakespeare makes Romeo and Juliet, neither of who are morbid in their thoughts when they are with each other, look at each other and see the semblance of a corpse...thats just 'in character'? not foreshadowing?

im a (poor) writer and i foreshadow all the time!

Ok say...lord of the rings! boromir and argorn are both looking at the shards of narsil...boromir admires it for its past but then realises its currently useless and drops it to the ground
Aragorn solemly picks it up and puts it back in its rightful place...and then stares at the painting of isildur.
Tell me THAT aint deliberate foreshadowing

[Lvl45DM!]

The elves knock a hobbo off the cliff in this one...and then you see in falling in the next panel (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0670.html)

[Nimrod's Son]

The author had to think of what to do with the cat after Shojo dies, and he simply decided to give it to Belkar.
It's perfectly possible that Rich intended Mr Scruffy to end up as Belkar's cat all along, and having him initially belong to Shojo was just a convenient way of introducing him into the story.

[AxeD]

This thread is kinda interesting, I've thought a few times about the extent of foreshadowing Rich includes in his strip.

Did anyone notice that Miko was killed by the chair (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0464.html) that she attacked (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0406.html)?

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think that its relevant here too.

I wonder if Rich planned that. Doubtful at best.

[Nimrod's Son]

I wonder if Rich planned that. Doubtful at best.
She was killed in an explosion that blew up an entire castle, and that explosion started within the chair she was standing right next to. Are you suggesting that it's an accident that the remains of the chair ended up near the remains of Miko? :smallconfused:

EDIT: Following your link, I see you meant the first swipe that Miko took at the chair. But that was Miko attacking Shojo, who just happened to be sitting there. This (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0462.html) is Miko attacking the chair. Either way, I still don't think it's a coincidence.

[Lvl45DM!]

looks pretty karmic to me

[spargel]

It would be more karmic if Miko wasn't expecting to die from that.

[Herald Alberich]

The elves knock a hobbo off the cliff in this one...and then you see in falling in the next panel (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0670.html)

Moreover, that serves as an indication of just how quickly those elves took out the rest of the hobgoblins - before the first one even had time to fall out of frame.


She was killed in an explosion that blew up an entire castle, and that explosion started within the chair she was standing right next to. Are you suggesting that it's an accident that the remains of the chair ended up near the remains of Miko? :smallconfused:

I always took the positioning of the chair and Miko's halves to be an indication that the chair itself sliced her in half when it blew. I think that's what AxeD is getting at.

[Nimrod's Son]

I always took the positioning of the chair and Miko's halves to be an indication that the chair itself sliced her in half when it blew. I think that's what AxeD is getting at.
I get that, but so what? That's perfectly understandable considering the reason the explosion happened was because she cut through the chair with her katana. If someone was to cut into a large container of pressurized gas with a chainsaw, I'd expect that person to get torn to bits by pieces of the container.

[Asta Kask]

If someone was to cut into a large container of pressurized gas with a chainsaw

Who told you about the tank for Mr. Scruffy's flatulence?

[Moogleking]

The travellers are wearing Roy's new belt when they load the camels a few strips earlier :smalltongue:

[BatRobin]

I have nothing against reading. I just don't put so much analysis on what I read that I see things the actual author of the works doesn't know about. It's not limited purely to character's personalities, sure... But it's still just a matter of being consistent. If the person writes anything consistent, people are going to see foreshadowing in it. If an author specifically plans to force foreshadowing in, it will appear out of place and unnatural. The same goes for most other literary things people are taught in English classes to look for.

WRONG SIR! Or ma'am.


In Book 5 of Harry Potter, when George and Fred are levitating the plates and utensils, the accidentaly drop some items. They are natural klutzes and silly people, and a random knife (the only knife) lands in front of Sirius Black.

Guess who dies later? Hint: It's not the knife!


In Book 2 or 3, when Trelawney says 'when 12 are seated at a table, the first to rise will die'. Sirius gets up first because he has to use the bathroom, or something. This is not out of charcter or suddenly strange, because Trelawney never stops being weird like that, and never didn't start. Again.

Guess who dies later? Hint: It's not Trelawney!


Foreshadowing is not random and out of the ordinary. Foreshadowing, when used right, is the exact opposite.

[Kish]

In Book 2 or 3, when Trelawney says 'when 12 are seated at a table, the first to rise will die'. Sirius gets up first because he has to use the bathroom, or something. This is not out of charcter or suddenly strange, because Trelawney never stops being weird like that, and never didn't start. Again.
3, Prisoner of Azkaban. And while I agree with your conclusion, this example doesn't support it. Sirius was not at the table; the first to rise was either Harry or Ron, who rose to leave together. Trelawney makes a big deal of it being important to know which of the two it was, but the boys don't care which it was because they know she's a crank.
Both are still alive at the end of the series.

[BatRobin]

I thought it was Ginny > Sirius > Harry/Ron, but Ginny didn't count because she wasn't old enough to be involved officially.

*goes to check on MuggleNet or whatever*

Look here, second or third clue. (http://www.mugglenet.com/books/deathclues5.shtml)

[Kish]

Oh, I get it. The scene with Trelawney is in Book Three, and the ones to rise first there are Harry and Ron. Mugglenet is talking about book five and saying, "Remember what Trelawney, who is nowhere near this table, said back in book three?"

[BatRobin]

Yup! I see what you meant though.


But Harry did die, technically.

[Kish]

But not before Dumbledore, so not first.

[Puns de León]

WRONG SIR! Or ma'am.

In Book 5 of Harry Potter, when George and Fred are levitating the plates and utensils, the accidentaly drop some items. They are natural klutzes and silly people, and a random knife (the only knife) lands in front of Sirius Black.

Guess who dies later? Hint: It's not the knife!
In Book 2 or 3, when Trelawney says 'when 12 are seated at a table, the first to rise will die'. Sirius gets up first because he has to use the bathroom, or something. This is not out of charcter or suddenly strange, because Trelawney never stops being weird like that, and never didn't start. Again.

Guess who dies later? Hint: It's not Trelawney!
Foreshadowing is not random and out of the ordinary. Foreshadowing, when used right, is the exact opposite.

Your examples don't work because they don't go against what Thajocoth is saying. Both are perfectly in character, as you point out, so by Thaj's definition they're examples of good, unintentional foreshadowing resulting from simple consistent character behaviour. Sirius doesn't care about supernatural junk, so if Mugglenet wasn't just twisting arbitrary events from separate books to its purpose, his disregarding the prophecy wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Basically, this illustrates Thaj's point perfectly.

Fred and George are klutzes; they drop a knife. Didn't see that coming!
If Hermione, who is a natural wiz (or witch, as it is), dropped a knife during a spell, that would be an example of intentional foreshadowing of questionable effectiveness. Fred and George dropping something, no matter who it lands in front of, is nothing to gawk at, and is therefore the contrived foreshadowing that overexcited fans might see in regular prose.

[rainbowjo]

great conversation guys, but really getting off topic with the harry potter stuff >.<
This thread is about small details, not foreshadowing, just because some happen to be both, dont derail the thread, id perfer it not get locked.

[Darius1020]

something i never noticed was in 416, when Xykon was watching blind date, the girl in the Teevo said that "he seemed stiff the whole time." I never realized that she was a medusa, haha, i get it now...

[Lvl45DM!]

so...in romeo and juliet when the look at each oter and see each other as corpses for a second or two...thats in character??

[Maximum Zersk]

I'm not sure if this fits, but here I go.

Does anyone notice how the story of the song Afterlife is really similar to Roy's adventure in the, well, Afterlife?

[Spiky]

I don't think any good author foreshadows anything purposely, let alone subtly. That was my point. All those things there are literary terms for are things some readers see, but not things authors add.

Well, that's ok....but you would be wrong. Just ask a good author.

[Nimrod's Son]

im a (poor) writer
I'm sure you'd be a much better one if you bothered to use punctuation. :smallwink: Your spelling is usually spot-on, but damn your posts are difficult to read, nonetheless.

On topic, I noticed recently that despite lying on the ground injured, V is smiling immediately before Leeky's trees are destroyed by thunder in #352 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0352.html). So presumably he knew what was about to happen, even though strictly speaking what happened shouldn't be possible. :smallconfused:

[RelentlessImp]

I always thought Belkar was bald. Then I hit the Sexy Shoeless God of War strip, noticed he had strips of orange hair. Went back to the beginning and realized it was there all the time.

[DBJack]

I always thought Belkar was bald. Then I hit the Sexy Shoeless God of War strip, noticed he had strips of orange hair. Went back to the beginning and realized it was there all the time.

Same thing, but his hairy feet for me instead of his buzz cut

[Darius1020]

I'm not sure if this fits, but here I go.

Does anyone notice how the story of the song Afterlife is really similar to Roy's adventure in the, well, Afterlife?

Wow, that's pretty cool, i mean, it wasn't extremely close, but they do say about "no time," and wanting to be back alive, but i would think most dead people would want that, were there any other references i missed?

[girtleaf]

in panel 516 belkar looks in the granary i always thought he got a shiny coin but before that he doesn't have Mr scruffy and after he does

[Forbiddenwar]

In 639, V saves a bunny!

[rainbowjo]

In 639, V saves a bunny!

This totally means that familicide was an unquestionably good act ^^

[Teddy]

Elan got his eyepatch somewhere between the ghost-king country and the ice cave country in strip #501 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0501.html).

[Maximum Zersk]

Wow, that's pretty cool, i mean, it wasn't extremely close, but they do say about "no time," and wanting to be back alive, but i would think most dead people would want that, were there any other references i missed?

Well, there's also the thing about the guy remembering that he's has things he has to do on earth. Roy's exactly the same.

[The Extinguisher]

Belkar mentions Buggy Lou! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0171.html)

That's pretty cool.

[derfenrirwolv]

groan... buggy lou

Boogalu (as in electric)

[Hardcore]

something i never noticed was in 416, when Xykon was watching blind date, the girl in the Teevo said that "he seemed stiff the whole time." I never realized that she was a medusa, haha, i get it now...

Same thing in strip 87, last panel. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0087.html)
Wether or not it should be called Medusa or Gorgon, I don't know.

[Denkal]

Same thing in strip 87, last panel. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0087.html)
Wether or not it should be called Medusa or Gorgon, I don't know.

In that same strip, there's a piece of toilet paper on Durkon's foot.

Not the most significant, but it made me chuckle, and I've technically never noticed it before.

[Kaytara]

Elan's right, but he's also wrong.

199: (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0199.html):elan: It only EVER rains when something really dramatic is about to happen! You know, like someone tries to kill someone else, or someone is revealed to be a traitor, or someone kisses someone for the first time. And I don't think there's any smooching coming up soon!
200: (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0200.html):haley: Wish me luck! *smooch*

[Cleverdan22]

Huh. I had never seen that before.

[rainbowjo]

Never noticed that in 88 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0088.html) Roy is holding belkar above his head.

[Acero]

theres a lightsaber fight in strip 371

[Lvl45DM!]

[QUOTE=Nimrod's Son;7205190]I'm sure you'd be a much better one if you bothered to use punctuation. :smallwink: Your spelling is usually spot-on, but damn your posts are difficult to read, nonetheless.

*butchers Nimrod with two shuriken shaped like a colon*
What? you said use punctuation...didnt say how to use it :smallamused:

[Puns de León]

Same thing in strip 87, last panel. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0087.html)
Wether or not it should be called Medusa or Gorgon, I don't know.

I always thought that there should have been a gap between the gorgon and its victim, meaning the orc wasn't advancing due to being petrified, delaying the line even more.

[DBJack]

I just noticed that in strip 47 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0047.html) Nale mentions that water isn't one of the three sigil elements, and then in the last panel of strip 276 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html) the builders mention that they're cutting out the water dungeon and the ceilings won't be reinforced to prevent, say, sylphs made of stone from falling through the floor to the level before.

[Hardcore]

Apparently one of the monSters never updated to 3rd ed. is also the bunny (sitting on top of the brownish monster in strip 55, panel 3 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0055.html))

Ops, sry for the misspelling!

[Kish]

Apparently one of the monters never updated to 3rd ed. is the bunny sitting on top of the brownish monster in strip 55, panel 3 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0055.html)
The bunny is part of the monster. It's called a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing. It looks like a cute little rabbit sitting on a tree stump until you get close.

I'm sure you'd be a much better one if you bothered to use punctuation. :smallwink: Your spelling is usually spot-on, but damn your posts are difficult to read, nonetheless.

*butchers Nimrod with two shuriken shaped like a colon*
What? you said use punctuation...didnt say how to use it :smallamused:Throwing shuriken at his father? That's just mean.

[Lvl45DM!]

:smallannoyed: Touche Kish touche lol:smalltongue:

I just ntoiced that here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0514.html) the box haley is hiding in says imported from greysky city...much like she is :D

[Hardcore]

Kish, ok, tnx. Heh, good to be reminded some monsters are pushing the boundaries of suspense of disbelief.
I can see why they were not updated:)

[Hardcore]

The wight asked for the paladins shoes, and got them! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0517.html)

[Tribute]

Anyone noticed that Roy's brother actually appears in strip 113 ?


http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0113.html

Behind the chair his mother sits in.

[The Extinguisher]

Anyone noticed that Roy's brother actually appears in strip 113 ?


http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0113.html

Behind the chair his mother sits in.

That's probably the reason the brother exists.

Because people over analysed it based on the character's ages, and concluded it couldn't be Julia.

[Hurkyl]

*butchers Nimrod with two shuriken shaped like a colon*
You see, there's your problem: a semi-colon would convey your point much better. (because of aerodynamics....) (and, y'know, actually having a point....)

[Forbiddenwar]

Not to mention that a colon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_(anatomy)) is way too messy. :smallwink:

Seriously, this is a great thread. I never saw the lightsaber battle until it was pointed out here.

[Lvl45DM!]

well iw as kinda going for more a chakram/shuriken thing

[Herald Alberich]

The wight asked for the paladins shoes, and got them! (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0517.html)

And kept them. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0541.html)

[Bibliomancer]

Also, note that Wight feet (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0516.html) are draw differently from human feet (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0517.html), despite the fact that Wights are (presumably) human corpses.

[rainbowjo]

Also, note that Wight feet (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0516.html) are draw differently from human feet (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0517.html), despite the fact that Wights are (presumably) human corpses.

Must be made from goblin corpses.

[Dark Faun]

You mean hobgoblin corpses. And they'd have pointy ears. (And I don't know if Tsukiko is a goblinophile.)

Interestingly enough, Xykon's zombies and ghasts in the first dungeon have human feet, even though, other than Durokan, there was no human to kill in the tower but plenty of goblins.

Things I noticed while writing about Haley: she holds her bow with the left hand, drawing its string with the right hand, and uses Crystal's knife with her left hand (at least to kill Crystal).

[Nimrod's Son]

Interestingly enough, Xykon's zombies and ghasts in the first dungeon have human feet, even though, other than Durokan, there was no human to kill in the tower but plenty of goblins.
As seen in SoD, Xykon has zombie minions before he enters the tower. We don't don't know how many - there's never more than three shown at any one time - but that's at least evidence that they were there.

[rainbowjo]

You mean hobgoblin corpses. And they'd have pointy ears. (And I don't know if Tsukiko is a goblinophile.)

Interestingly enough, Xykon's zombies and ghasts in the first dungeon have human feet, even though, other than Durokan, there was no human to kill in the tower but plenty of goblins.

Things I noticed while writing about Haley: she holds her bow with the left hand, drawing its string with the right hand, and uses Crystal's knife with her left hand (at least to kill Crystal).

I'm right handed and that's how I use my bow.

[Teddy]

I'm right handed and that's how I use my bow.

But perhaps that's the point. I'm righthanded so I hold knives in the right hand, not the left hand, and I hold a bow the same way as you.

[Cvitnef]

You mean hobgoblin corpses. And they'd have pointy ears. (And I don't know if Tsukiko is a goblinophile.)

Interestingly enough, Xykon's zombies and ghasts in the first dungeon have human feet, even though, other than Durokan, there was no human to kill in the tower but plenty of goblins.

Things I noticed while writing about Haley: she holds her bow with the left hand, drawing its string with the right hand, and uses Crystal's knife with her left hand (at least to kill Crystal).

Sorry for interrupting your discussion, but I think Haley killed Crystal with her right hand.
She held knife with the left hand, talking with Celia, but schlartched Crystal with the right hand.

Also, she held Elan's rapier with right hand, but when she shoot The Left Guy, she held bow with her right hand, but she held a pointer with her left hand, but when she shoot Nale's talisman she held bow with the right hand, but when she was a ninja she held knife with the right hand, but...

[sigh] I never noticed this things. And I never said "with" so many times...

[Hardcore]

Haley could also be good at using both hands - ambidextrous.

[Teddy]

SOD spoiler:
I just noticed that Xykon (naturally) lost his crown in the first battle at Lirians gate, but that he somehow got it back before he blasted himself into her tree-house.

[Dark Faun]

Sorry for interrupting your discussion, but I think Haley killed Crystal with her right hand.
Typo. :smalltongue:


Haley could also be good at using both hands - ambidextrous.
Considering her Dex score, likely. Why didn't I think of this obvious conclusion?

[Jokasti]

In 682 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0682.html) Belkar says he loves helping people. Later, in 685 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0685.html) Haley makes a comment about how Belkar loves helping people.
More helping. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0687.html)

And in 683 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0683.html) Belkar mentions 'nut-sweat'. Later, in 685 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0685.html) Belkar pees in the guys neck... but is that all? Marinades are usually more than one liquid.

In 686 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0686.html) the young lad in the net is reminiscent of Young Roy and Eric. His father also appears here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0683.html).

I used to think Durkon said "That's smart" in 675 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0675.html) when he really said "That's got to smart", as in hurt.

In 684 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0684.html) 'together' is spelled 'togeter'.

Also, the bugs in 685 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0685.html) have X's in there eyes, instead of their eyes becoming X's.

[Smile_Time]

Although this may seem painfully obvious to some, in SoD, Right-Eye's kid's doll- that he has the doll fight with the Thing in the Dark with - is a Julio Scoundrel doll. (The guy that taught Elan the secrets of the Dashing Swordsman class)

[rainbowjo]

Although this may seem painfully obvious to some, in SoD, Right-Eye's kid's doll- that he has the doll fight with the Thing in the Dark with - is a Julio Scoundrel doll. (The guy that taught Elan the secrets of the Dashing Swordsman class)

umm...didnt the kid say it was a julio scoundrel doll?

[Cleverdan22]

umm...didnt the kid say it was a julio scoundrel doll?

Yes they did. Heh. Adamantidumb.

[Nimrod's Son]

Although this may seem painfully obvious to some, in SoD, Right-Eye's kid's doll- that he has the doll fight with the Thing in the Dark with - is a Julio Scoundrel doll.
Indeed, painfully obvious to all who READ the comic instead of just looking at the pictures... :smallwink:

[Lvl45DM!]

When Xykon is examining the Cloister headband he is holding a gem presumably the soul gem!

[Darius1020]

In 365 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0365.html), Nale says his disguise won't work forever, except for Belkar, and Belkar is the first one to figure it out.

[Teutonic Knight]

Not sure if it belongs here but I've wondered what happened to Celia's wing in 615 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0615.html) and also if anyone else noticed this?

[Nimrod's Son]

Not sure if it belongs here but I've wondered what happened to Celia's wing in 615 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0615.html) and also if anyone else noticed this?
They just got a bit crumpled when Yor grabbed her. They're like that a couple of strips later, too, but once she extends her wings as she breaks out of Yor's grasp, they're fine again.

[HealthKit]

The "Dwarf" in #531 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0531.html), panel 11, is really a Duergar.

I didn't catch that right away.

[Teutonic Knight]

They just got a bit crumpled when Yor grabbed her. They're like that a couple of strips later, too, but once she extends her wings as she breaks out of Yor's grasp, they're fine again.

Why does it look like a part of it snapped off?

[Nimrod's Son]

Why does it look like a part of it snapped off?
To me, it doesn't. It looks crumpled.

[Teutonic Knight]

To me, it doesn't. It looks crumpled.

The top looks jagged and on the left part there is a point. I don't think wings are supposed to fold like that.

[Nimrod's Son]

The top looks jagged and on the left part there is a point. I don't think wings are supposed to fold like that.
Maybe not. But we're not talking about photorealistic artwork here, are we? :smallwink:

[Hardcore]

The Cliffport police does no only have blue and red lamp tied to their horses heads, but also must improvise sirens too:P The redhair in panel one is making the noises. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0350.html)

[Thrudh]

My 7-year old son was reading my Order of the Stick comic books and he pointed out that Nale was Elan spelled backwards...

I had never noticed that.

By the way, Rich, he's been drawing his own comics since reading yours... :)

[rainbowjo]

My 7-year old son was reading my Order of the Stick comic books and he pointed out that Nale was Elan spelled backwards...

I had never noticed that.

By the way, Rich, he's been drawing his own comics since reading yours... :)

You should post them!

[Ron Miel]

The "Dwarf" in #531 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0531.html), panel 11, is really a Duergar.

I didn't catch that right away.

For those of us who don't speak fluent AD&D, what is a Duergar?

[Darius1020]

For those of us who don't speak fluent AD&D, what is a Duergar?

I'm not sure if this is 100% right, i don't play D&D, i'm getting my info from Savatore's books, but i'm pretty sure that Duergars are kind of like the dwarven equivilent of a drow, they're evil and live underground, and such,

[Herald Alberich]

I'm not sure if this is 100% right, i don't play D&D, i'm getting my info from Savatore's books, but i'm pretty sure that Duergars are kind of like the dwarven equivilent of a drow, they're evil and live underground, and such,

Yeah, evil dwarven subrace. Most dwarves live underground, of course, but duergar go deeper.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/dwarf.htm#duergar

[Ninja]

Elan's right, but he's also wrong.

199: (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0199.html):elan: It only EVER rains when something really dramatic is about to happen! You know, like someone tries to kill someone else, or someone is revealed to be a traitor, or someone kisses someone for the first time. And I don't think there's any smooching coming up soon!
200: (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0200.html):haley: Wish me luck! *smooch*

Actually, ALL three things happen. Not exactly like it should be, but, Durkon doesn't help the OOTS, that's the traitor part, you've already posted the kissing part, and Miko tried to kill Roy....

[Forbiddenwar]

Actually, ALL three things happen. Not exactly like it should be, but, Durkon doesn't help the OOTS, that's the traitor part, you've already posted the kissing part, and Miko tried to kill Roy....

Wow, and the rain stops right after the third one (miko trying to kill roy)

[BatRobin]

Actually, ALL three things happen. Not exactly like it should be, but, Durkon doesn't help the OOTS, that's the traitor part, you've already posted the kissing part, and Miko tried to kill Roy....

Actually, it's Nale tries to kill Haley, Haley unknowingly betrays the OOTS, and Haley kisses Nale for the first time.


Well, it could be either. :P

[Berserk Monk]

In that same strip, there's a piece of toilet paper on Durkon's foot.

Not the most significant, but it made me chuckle, and I've technically never noticed it before.

So there is.

[Kurald Galain]

A nice detail is how Vaarsuvius consistently refers to Miko not by name, but as "that paladin".

[Teddy]

A nice detail is how Vaarsuvius consistently refers to Miko not by name, but as "that paladin".

Yes, V didn't like to be refered to as "Elf", so V decided to do the same thing back. I love those details.

[Hardcore]

Comic #690, panel 1.
The wurm do seem to MOVE like a worm should. Snakes would have their entire body in level with the ground.

Nice of Rich to think of that difference.