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ken-do-nim
2009-11-02, 03:28 PM
I've always wondered why the avoral is in the summon monster VII list and the lillend is in the summon monster VIII list. Anybody else have a rationale? Has anybody actually used either? Anybody switched the two? The lillend is a very weak choice for summon monster VIII, although if you can choose the bard spell list and the creature's feats you can bump the inspire courage up to +3.

Starbuck_II
2009-11-02, 03:46 PM
I've always wondered why the avoral is in the summon monster VII list and the lillend is in the summon monster VIII list. Anybody else have a rationale? Has anybody actually used either? Anybody switched the two? The lillend is a very weak choice for summon monster VIII, although if you can choose the bard spell list and the creature's feats you can bump the inspire courage up to +3.

You can usually choose the spells if it is racial spellcasting not racial spell-likes.
One is always set in stone: the other is the usual choices.

Feats are not chooseable when summoned: most of them take those feats for some reason.

ken-do-nim
2009-11-02, 04:13 PM
You can usually choose the spells if it is racial spellcasting not racial spell-likes.
One is always set in stone: the other is the usual choices.

Feats are not chooseable when summoned: most of them take those feats for some reason.

Yeah, making lillends even worse is that they have a metamagic feat that is near-useless because of their casting level.