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2009-11-12, 09:17 PM
How would you build a debuffer? So far all I got is a mix of hex blade/monk with Weakening Touch feat/sorcerer/Hybrid class x

Any one wan to help me build a better one?

Edit: Any Book, Any level, less wizard = more win?

2009-11-12, 09:20 PM
Level? Books available? Party makeup? Goals ("debuffing" is a broad, broad term)?

(The standard is a multiclass Hexblade with Dark Companion, Paladin of Tyranny, Binder, and Blackguard, all of which are CHA-based and all of which give some nice no-save debuffs to nearly everything, all of which stack. It's hackneyed but fun.)

2009-11-12, 09:23 PM
How would you build one as in I don't need one right now but later it might be nice to know how to build one. So any books any level.

Debuffer as in massive penatilys to foes that would just come close to this guy.

The only thing I dont get out of that is Dark Companion and what visages for the binder.

2009-11-12, 09:25 PM
I'd probably build it as a Necromacer Wizard and hit em with like Meta-Magicked up Enervations and the like.

But then again.... I like to do everything as a Wizard

Mushroom Ninja
2009-11-12, 09:31 PM
Wizards make killer debuffers due to their amazing save or suck (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=391.0) spells.

2009-11-12, 09:42 PM
Dark Companion is an ACF from the PHB2 for the Hexblade. You get something that has the same move as you, and as long as it has it's own square, all adjacent enemies get -2 to attacks and saves. In return, lose your familiar.

2009-11-12, 09:43 PM
Can you use it to flank?

2009-11-12, 09:44 PM
Nope. But it can't be attacked in any way, either.

2009-11-12, 09:53 PM
wizard with arcane thesis(ray of enfeeblement)
split ray, chain spell metamagic feats.

or monk/kensai(spellstoring fists)(alternative would be the magic item compendium amulet duno the name)/ wizard/ enlightend fist
split ray metamagic
store split ray of enfeeblement + weakening touch <- -1* (6+1d6+5+1d6+5)

2009-11-12, 09:55 PM
The Bard/Hexblade/Warchanter is basically for access to Bardic Music uses, for Doomspeak (http://www.realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Doomspeak,all) (-10 to one enemy's Save for 1 round) and Snowflake Wardance (http://www.realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Snowflake_Wardance,all).

Other good bits to consider are Frightful Presence (http://www.realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Frightful_Presence,all) or Dreadful Wrath (http://www.realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Dreadful_Wrath,all), Brutal Strike (http://www.realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Brutal_Strike,all), Netherese Battle Curse (http://www.realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Netherese_Battle_Curse,all), and a Spell Storing Weapon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicWeapons.htm#spellStoring).

Just remember that the Hexblade's biggest asset is it's Familiar. The Familiar shares your hit points, BAB, and can Share Spells (like Alter Self and Polymorph). It can also hold the charge of a touch attack spell. So on the first round of combat, he can smack your enemy with a debuff spell, and then you get your full action. Works very well for mounted builds, IMO. In fact, I'm a fan of taking the PHBII variant to get the Dark Companion, and taking the Obtain Familiar (http://www.realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Obtain_Familiar,all) feat to get your tag team partner.

2009-11-12, 11:36 PM
obligatory debuffer mention
hexblade/paladin of tyrany/ blackgaurd/ some thing else...
plus what person man said.,

2009-11-13, 03:53 AM
Warlock is another option. Choose the Eldritch Essences that sicken for lower levels, then Hellrime Blast going up to Utterdark blast eventually.
Other invocations include Curse of Despair, Chilling Tentacles, and Devour Magic/Voracious Dispelling.

Since you'll be pumping your Cha to increase your DCs, you might as well invest a lot in UMD as well and bring wands (Web, Stinking Cloud, Enervation, etc.).