Spell to Power Erudite query

[Kobold-Bard]

Specifically, does he suffer Arcane Spell Failure chance from Spells he has learned as powers?

Also, is there any way of making Resurrection an Arcane spell, because the whole spend 2PP instead of a Material Component thing has me all jittery with possibilities :smalltongue:

Thanks
K-B

[Waylor]

Theres a feat in Cdiv (i dont remember the name, its rew was k.relg 4 ranks)
that allows a wizard to cast spells from a cleric domain (uses SAB for CDs and you need sab 10 + lvl). I dont know if theres any domain that has resurrection on the list.

[Bayar]

Shocking Grasp as an Improptu Ressurection ?

[Cyclocone]

Wyrm Wizard and Recaster.
Also perhaps Master Specialist Conjurer with a little RAW lawyering.

[KillianHawkeye]

Specifically, does he suffer Arcane Spell Failure chance from Spells he has learned as powers?

Psionic powers don't suffer from arcane spell failure.

[Stegyre]

Specifically, does he suffer Arcane Spell Failure chance from Spells he has learned as powers?
No, he does not suffer ASF, because he is not casting arcane spells. Remember: the name of this ACF is "convert spell to power." He is manifesting powers, not casting spells.

[Optimystik]

Psionic powers don't suffer from arcane spell failure.

Well, in this case StP specifically says (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a) that verbal, somatic and XP components are carried over to the power forms of the spells. Only material components and foci are left off, it seems.

His confusion likely comes from WotC's asinine use of the word "some" making it a DM call.

[Stegyre]

Well, in this case StP specifically says (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a) that verbal, somatic and XP components are carried over to the power forms of the spells. Only material components and foci are left off, it seems.
Does not matter. Divine spells also have verbal and somatic components, but do not suffer from ASF. What matters is whether it is an arcane spell. (This is something specifically referenced in feats that allow one to convert arcane spells to divine or vice-versa: that performing the conversion would allow one to avoid ASF. See the description for Southern Magician (MoF), for example.) The web expansion is quite specific that these former spells are now being manifested as powers. Ergo, no ASF.

[Optimystik]

Does not matter. Divine spells also have verbal and somatic components, but do not suffer from ASF. What matters is whether it is an arcane spell. (This is something specifically referenced in feats that allow one to convert arcane spells to divine or vice-versa: that performing the conversion would allow one to avoid ASF. See the description for Southern Magician (MoF), for example.) The web expansion is quite specific that these former spells are now being manifested as powers. Ergo, no ASF.

It can be interpreted either way. Southern Magician specifically says it avoids ASF, but StP Erudite lacks that exception. It does say that the spells are being manifested as powers, but no other psionic powers have verbal components either, so we can't simply apply the "it's a power, so it's purely mental" catchall. Thus, it's a DM call.

Personally, I'd rule no ASF (I doubt it would even come up since Erudites aren't proficient in anything, and have better ways to raise their AC than wearing a giant tin) but the fact is that the wording is unclear.

[Kobold-Bard]

It can be interpreted either way. Southern Magician specifically says it avoids ASF, but StP Erudite lacks that exception. It does say that the spells are being manifested as powers, but no other psionic powers have verbal components either, so we can't simply apply the "it's a power, so it's purely mental" catchall. Thus, it's a DM call.

Personally, I'd rule no ASF (I doubt it would even come up since Erudites aren't proficient in anything, and have better ways to raise their AC than wearing a giant tin) but the fact is that the wording is unclear.

I'm going Gish so I am currently a Fighter 1/Erudite 3. Hence the query; I'm looking to cocoon myself in crystal armour (and possibly try to convince people I'm some kind of Psiforged. But that's for another day :smallcool:).

Thanks for the help.

[KillianHawkeye]

It can be interpreted either way. Southern Magician specifically says it avoids ASF, but StP Erudite lacks that exception. It does say that the spells are being manifested as powers, but no other psionic powers have verbal components either, so we can't simply apply the "it's a power, so it's purely mental" catchall. Thus, it's a DM call.

I would say that it doesn't suffer from ASF because it's not mentioned. It doesn't say there's ASF, so we default to the standard rule of "ASF doesn't apply to psionics."

But seriously, if you can figure out the wording of the StP Erudite's powers per day, you deserve to decide for yourself whether or not you wanna deal with arcane spell failure. :smallwink:

[Optimystik]

I would say that it doesn't suffer from ASF because it's not mentioned. It doesn't say there's ASF, so we default to the standard rule of "ASF doesn't apply to psionics."

Like I said, that's how I'd rule it too - but it's not as clear cut as it seems, is all.