Jason Bourne (Damon) vs James Bond (Craig)

[Erts]

I was watching Casino Royale again, and a interesting WWIAF came accross me... Movie Jason Bourne or new Movie James Bond?


I'll edit this to include a number of scenario's later, but don't have the time... For now, just respond like a normal vs thread.

Your thoughts?

[GolemsVoice]

Phew. Both are very well-trained, and phiscally very fit. Both are willing to giht dirty and don't hold back. I really can't decide. I would favor Bond, because I like him (slightly) better, but it would probably end in a draw.

[Asheram]

I can't help but feel that Jason Bourne has much more technique in his fighting.

[daggaz]

I can't help but feel that Jason Bourne has much more technique in his fighting.

This. As much as I love Sean Connery's Bond (the modern versions are terrible), Bourne would wipe the floor with Bond. Just think of that scene where he nearly kills a knife wielding fellow spy with a rolled up magazine. A MAGAZINE!!!

Bourne is just good at too many things. He is the modern version of Bond which the Bond producers failed completely in realizing within their own movies.

[Aidan305]

Bond is an agent, trained to infiltrate and uncover information.

Bourne is an assassin, trained to kill.

While I prefer Bond, Bourne is definitely going to be the winner on this one. He's by far the better fighter of the two.

[Dervag]

Yes. Also, Craig-Bond is one of the less artful versions of Bond as a fighter; he tends to rely on brute force more than agility and technique. Think about that scene where he's going up against the Parkour guy.

[Zencao]

Aye. It's Spy vs Assassin.

Bourne kills people.
Bond makes them lose their entire fortune in a poker game.

Assassin wins in an assassination, Bond wins at spying.

[thorgrim29]

Yeah, Bourne wins after an epic fight because Craig Bond is tough as hell (Bond SMASH!) and fast as well as strong.

[Dristin]

Well if we could actually tell what was going on in the fight. Looking at you shaky cam (I jest:tongue:). I would have to go with Bourne.

[Asheram]

Aye. It's Spy vs Assassin.

Bourne kills people.
Bond makes them lose their entire fortune in a poker game.

Assassin wins in an assassination, Bond wins at spying.

I wouldn't say that Bond wins at spying.
We've seen Bourne do some really nifty infiltrating of his own while dodging a whole faction of the CIA.

[Talyn]

The thing with James Bond and Jason Bourne is that, at heart, they are both covert agents. Mr. Bond is an infiltration expert - he knows how to say the right words to get himself into any group and seem like he belongs. Even the Daniel Craig Bond, who is less subtle than the Connery or Brosnan incarnations, effortlessly goes from the lowest-class slums to the most prestige parties of the moneyed elite, always able to look like this is where he is supposed to be.

Mr. Bourne, on the other hand, is invisible. Rather than hiding in plain sight, like Bond, he simply hides so well that he might as well not be there at all. He has the incredible gift of mobility - wherever his opponents expect him to be, he is elsewhere.

Both men are fast, dangerous, and unsubtle fighters. Bourne has the edge in hand-to-hand combat, where he is simply quicker. Bond would win a gunfight, and especially a gunfight at farther away than 10 paces - his SBS background puts him in the top bracket where assault rifles and sniper rifles are concerned. Both men are extremely intelligent, and extremely ruthless.

Without scenarios, however, it is impossible to say who would come out on top. In an infinite featureless plain, without weapons, Bourne has the advantage.

One other thing to consider: Bourne is, for all intents and purposes, alone. He is a rogue agent. Bond, on the other hand, has the resources of MI6 and, with a little help from his friends, both the CIA and Mossad to draw upon.

[SurlySeraph]

This. As much as I love Sean Connery's Bond (the modern versions are terrible), Bourne would wipe the floor with Bond. Just think of that scene where he nearly kills a knife wielding fellow spy with a rolled up magazine. A MAGAZINE!!!

Bourne is just good at too many things. He is the modern version of Bond which the Bond producers failed completely in realizing within their own movies.

Bond nearly kills a machete-wielding war veteran with only a jacket. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLFfyzEUX8)

I do agree that Bourne is better in close combat, though.

[kentma57]

Vs Frank Martin(Jason Statham)

Frank gets my vote.

[Texas_Ben]

Bond would win a gunfight, and especially a gunfight at farther away than 10 paces - his SBS background puts him in the top bracket where assault rifles and sniper rifles are concerned.

And what's Bourne, just some guy? We don't see him using anything more than a pistol really in the movies because rifles are not terribly easy to carry around while remaining undercover, but we see some pretty slick shooting from other Treadstone operatives, and I can't imagine that Bourne is not on their level.

[Eorran]

Didn't Bourne undergo some sort of performance-enhancing drug regime as part of his training? He certainly appears to have the edge in hand-to-hand combat.

Note: Bond is also an assassin - that's what the 00 in 007 means. He does a lot more killing than spying.

Also, let's toss John Clark (from the Tom Clancy line of books) into the mix, even though he loses because he's more obviously human.

I'd have to side with Bourne by a whisker, mostly because he seems to have more experience being stalked by assassins who are almost as good as he is. Bond deals better with large groups of mooks.

[Dervag]

Didn't Bourne undergo some sort of performance-enhancing drug regime as part of his training? He certainly appears to have the edge in hand-to-hand combat.

Note: Bond is also an assassin - that's what the 00 in 007 means. He does a lot more killing than spying.OK, but he's an infiltrator/assassin; he kills his primary by getting close to them, and generally does so in pursuit of an infiltration mission. It's more a case of him being a super-infiltrator (and thus so badass that he can do an ordinary assassin's job).


I'd have to side with Bourne by a whisker, mostly because he seems to have more experience being stalked by assassins who are almost as good as he is. Bond deals better with large groups of mooks.Good point.

[Erts]

The scenario:
A former highup of Treadstone is now a powerful CIA man. He asks for the help of MI6 in finding Bourne (who he frames as a dangerous rogue, again) and MI6 sends Craig Bond.

(Am I the only one who thinks this would make for a good fanfic?)

[Zencao]

(Am I the only one who thinks this would make for a good fanfic?)

No you're not...

[SurlySeraph]

Go for it. If someone can write an awesome Jack Bauer vs. James Bond fight (http://www.atomicthinktank.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=22367&start=1665) - using RPG rules to determine the outcome, no less - you can make a great fanfic out of this.

[Mystic Muse]

No you're not...

yes you are.

[Erts]

yes you are.

Why is it a bad idea?

[kpenguin]

yes you are.

Obviously if someone already agreed with him, he isn't. :smalltongue:

[Mystic Muse]

Why is it a bad idea?

just kidding. Sounds like it'd be better as a movie though.

especially if Bourne eventually kills bond.:smalltongue:

[Philistine]

And what's Bourne, just some guy? We don't see him using anything more than a pistol really in the movies because rifles are not terribly easy to carry around while remaining undercover, but we see some pretty slick shooting from other Treadstone operatives, and I can't imagine that Bourne is not on their level.

I don't think we can assume that, in fact. Each Treadstone operative who goes after Bourne takes a different approach; surely it's at least possible that this is because each has different areas of specialization, yes? If that's the case then I'd say that Bourne's specialty, based on the two missions we know he was assigned to, seems to have been "making hits that look like inside jobs." Rifles might not be extremely useful to a person in that line of work.

[Surrealistik]

Bourne. The guy is a custom built literal killing machine.

[Samm]

I personally would side with Bourne because of a number of reasons:

He is an amazing fighter He's got an extremely cool head under pressure, He's a very good shot (he shot a man in the head in free fall with one shot!) He also is very inventive In addition to this already long list of admirable traits, he shrugs off major injuries and keeps on fighting.


I would say James Bond can't match all these points, and will eventually lose to Bourne. This does depend on the situation though.

[Killer Angel]

As said by many others, Bourne wins by a small margin.
But Bonde enjoyed his life more than Jason. :smallwink:

[Faulty]

Bourne is written to be a government engineered super assassin. While Bond is an incredible spy and assassin, I just don't think he's written in a comparable way and would lose in a lot of scenarios due to that fact alone.

[Barmacral]

The scenario:
A former highup of Treadstone is now a powerful CIA man. He asks for the help of MI6 in finding Bourne (who he frames as a dangerous rogue, again) and MI6 sends Craig Bond.

(Am I the only one who thinks this would make for a good fanfic?)

That would probably just end up in the two of them fighting for a bit, pausing to have coffee together, bourne convincing bond that there is some evil coverup with the CIA, and the two of them blowing it wide open as a team.

[pita]

It's really simple.
Each one would study their opponent, until Jason Bourne finds out where Bond is hiding, and tells all the Connery fans "James Blonde is over there." Connery fans kill Bond. End of story.