An exercise in excess- Gestalt Cheeses.

[Scarlet Tropix]

So let's say you were instructed to build a level 100 gestalt character.
The sheer ludicrousness of this idea aside, who here has an idea for how they'd build it?

Builds that utilize spellcasters [single or multiple] in particular hold interest to me.

Thanks in advance.

[Mongoose87]

Wizard/Incantatrix/Initiate o' t7FV/Master Specialist/Swiftblade/Anything that Advances CL//Factotum 8/Anything.

[ocdscale]

Warrior 100//Adept 100

You got spell-casting and melee in one compact package.

[Scarlet Tropix]

Wizard/Incantatrix/Initiate o' t7FV/Master Specialist/Swiftblade/Anything that Advances CL//Factotum 8/Anything.

-chuckle-

Well, we're off to a good start.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

Epic Spellcasting feat, with Ultimate Magus, Incantrix, IotSFV, Dweomerkeeper, 21 levels of Cleric casting, 21 levels of Wizard casting, Psion 20, and similar, to start.

Basically, at 21 spellcasters stop beating reality up for it's lunch money and start turning reality into sausages for their pet Balor's breakfast. Any attempts to build beyond that point get increasingly ludicrous, with your stated level and gestalt essentially meaning every broken PrC capstone and power is within your grasp, including Epic Spellcasting from every class.

[Milskidasith]

Halruaan Elder, Practical Metamagic, Incantatrix, Improved Metamagic feat, Arcane Thesis, etc. would allow you to have all metamagics at level increase of +1. After that, you just load on +int items and factotum, and break everything.*

*All the metamagic reducers are probably unnecessary; just improved metamagic and incantatrix could get everything to zero easily enough.

[HCL]

make sure you get some ur priest or cleric/crusader/rkv in there

erudite/incarnate/soul manifester

[Scarlet Tropix]

Epic Spellcasting feat, with Ultimate Magus, Incantrix, IotSFV, Dweomerkeeper, 21 levels of Cleric casting, 21 levels of Wizard casting, Psion 20, and similar, to start.

Basically, at 21 spellcasters stop beating reality up for it's lunch money and start turning reality into sausages for their pet Balor's breakfast. Any attempts to build beyond that point get increasingly ludicrous, with your stated level and gestalt essentially meaning every broken PrC capstone and power is within your grasp, including Epic Spellcasting from every class.

Oh I'm well aware that this never something that someone would do.
I'm just curious to see what people will do with such a limit.

[lvl 1 sharnian]

Waiting for Omnicaster, except all it's classes are effective

Swordsage20/Warblade20/Crusader20/MasterofNine 5/RKV10/Totemist20/Factotum5//Wizard20/Cleric20/Druid20/Psion20/Factotum3/Binder17

[Tavar]

Well...with 100 levels you can make the omnicaster even better. It's main problem is squeezing everything into 20 levels, but that's not a problem anymore.

[Scarlet Tropix]

For the record, you don't have to worry about taking this seriously. This is just me being really bored and wanting to see what unholy devils you guys will spawn.

Impress me with your evildoing!

[lvl 1 sharnian]

Well with all this, I'm sure Omnicaster can be made into Omnicharacter w/ Tome of Battle and such

[Mongoose87]

Well with all this, I'm sure Omnicaster can be made into Omnicharacter w/ Tome of Battle and such

The Ruby Knight Phoenix Mage?

[SilveryCord]

eh.
you only need 21 levels, really. What do you need 100 levels for?

Anyways, you should grab:
9th level manuevers
9th level arcane and divine spellcasting
9th level psionic powers
all chakra binds available for meldshaping
mysteries, pacts, (truespeaking?)
inspiration points
Animal companion/Epic wild shapes
levels in Dragon Ascendant, quasidietydom

In gestalt, I'm sure someone can shove these into 40 levels or so.

[Scarlet Tropix]

Feel free to reduce levels to factor in races/templates and whatever, also.

[erikun]

Erudite 100//Lurk 80/Psion Uncarnate 10/Metamind 10 would be a nice start, if only becuase I haven't played the classes before. Incorporeal, unlimited PP, knows all the powers in any supplement? Then again, a standard Psion 100 could use Metaconcert + Psychic Chirurgery to get all the powers too.

Perhaps we'll go with the Psionic Sandwich.

[Scarlet Tropix]

Erudite 100//Lurk 80/Psion Uncarnate 10/Metamind 10 would be a nice start, if only becuase I haven't played the classes before. Incorporeal, unlimited PP, knows all the powers in any supplement? Then again, a standard Psion 100 could use Metaconcert + Psychic Chirurgery to get all the powers too.

Perhaps we'll go with the Psionic Sandwich.

This sounds fun. Anyone care to top it?

[lvl 1 sharnian]

eh.
you only need 21 levels, really. What do you need 100 levels for?

Anyways, you should grab:
9th level manuevers
9th level arcane and divine spellcasting
9th level psionic powers
all chakra binds available for meldshaping
mysteries, pacts, (truespeaking?)
inspiration points
Animal companion/Epic wild shapes
levels in Dragon Ascendant, quasidietydom

In gestalt, I'm sure someone can shove these into 40 levels or so.

I was just too lazy to look for all the tricks, but as it stands, RKV for nearly unlimited swift actions, Psion for Schism so you can act while incapacitated, sorta, Factotum for unlimited standard actions (you can move with that right? Irrelevant since there are some teleporting spells)

Fighter 100// Wizard 100 for every feat ever?

[Barbarian MD]

I'd tack on a ton of level of deity: maximum rolls, tons of immunities, etc.

Enough levels of cleric to get BAB=HD.

If it were me, I'd take make a melée character, but I like flavor and wouldn't expect it to be able to compete with epic spells...

[Boci]

To exspand on mongooses build:

Human:
Side 1: Wizard 30 / Incantatrix 10 / Initiate o' t7FV 7 / Master Specialist 10/ Swiftblade 10/ Archamge 5/ Lorekeeper 10 / Abjurant champion 5 / Mind bender 1 / Mage of the arcane order 10 / Anything that Advances CL 2
Side 2: Factotum 20 / Chameleon 10 / Duskblade 13 / Swordsage 20 / Cloister cleric 15 / Ruby knight vindicator 10 / Jade Pheonix Mage 10

Maybe, assuming factorum qualifies for JPM?

[Tavar]

Duskblade does.

[Boci]

Duskblade does.

Okay. Not sure how much the JPM is required, but surely it cannot hurt. Now I just need 12 levels worth of full casting PrC.

[subject42]

Epic spellcasting shenanigans aside, I like the idea of Factotum 100 // Warlock 100, with Font of Inspiration slotted into every available feat.

Even if you're only knocking out a few d6 per standard action, that's still a LOT of standard actions at that level.

Edit: If I did my math right, that would be 630 inspiration points from feats alone.

[The_JJ]

I abuse Leadership. A lvl 98 gestalt cohort with a 96 lvl cohort... hell, my followers would have followers.

And they'd all be female bard//sorcs with max CHA.

I'd be the sorceror//cleric. Why cleric? Honestly, no idea.

[Foryn Gilnith]

Pun-Pun, obviously. If you want a class breakdown take Commoner 100//Truenamer 100.

[Inhuman Bot]

Psion/Archivist/Wizard/Dread Necromancer/Warcaster/Warlock/Thrallherd

I would have followers, undead hordes, and massive trolls with artillery support.

[Zovc]

Finally! A chance to use Factotum and Geomancer in one build!

[Milskidasith]

Epic spellcasting shenanigans aside, I like the idea of Factotum 100 // Warlock 100, with Font of Inspiration slotted into every available feat.

Even if you're only knocking out a few d6 per standard action, that's still a LOT of standard actions at that level.

Edit: If I did my math right, that would be 630 inspiration points from feats alone.

You forgot taking levels in classes that give bonus feats to chaos shuffle them into font of inspiration. Plus, casting does it better. So much better. You only need factotum 8, as well; it has no epic progression, so any levels past 20 are dead, and levels past 8 do little for this build.

[sonofzeal]

1) BAB is one of the only things we can't properly boost in Epic. At least one side of the Gestalt needs to be full-BAB for the first 20 levels, past that it doesn't matter.

2) Epic Spellcasting is, of course, king. We want 20th level Wizard casting as a bare minimum. "Familiar Spell" is a potentially valid reason to keep taking Epic Wizard or similar. Note that most PrCs don't advance familiars though.

3) An element of IKEA Tarrasque is expected at this level, and the build should have that in mind. This is easiest if we take up the non-full-BAB side of things with it, at least to start. We have plenty of other levels to get our Wizard casting through the roof.

4) Action Economy is essential. This involves nabbing Factotum 8, and Psion 20 is a good idea. Celerity and Daze immunity are necessary, as is Foresight, Time Stop, and various initiative boosters. You can bypass initiative most of the time, but against others who are doing the same I'd expect DMs to require opposed initiative checks.

5) Have an action plan for AMFs, among other things. This involves being deadly in melee combat, not being vulnerable to grapple, and having defenses that function in there.

[Boci]

1) BAB is one of the only things we can't properly boost in Epic. At least one side of the Gestalt needs to be full-BAB for the first 20 levels, past that it doesn't matter.

Divine might? Could probably make it a permemnant Ex ability by level 100.


5) Have an action plan for AMFs, among other things. This involves being deadly in melee combat, not being vulnerable to grapple, and having defenses that function in there.[/QUOTE]

Invoke magic? But yes, with 100 level gestalt, you may as well make sure you can handle things without magic as well.

[Lycanthromancer]

Wizard 100//factotum 20/wizard 80.

Hey, he can rape reality in an unlimited number of ways. Why not rape the system directly while he's at it?

[Barbarian MD]

Now the real question is: what do you do if multiclass penalties apply?

[Lycanthromancer]

Now the real question is: what do you do if multiclass penalties apply?You're at a level where it doesn't matter what level you are so long as you have epic spellcasting. A level 21 wizard can take on CR 3 million creatures so long as they have enough mitigating factors available and prepare. (He's a fragging wizard; preparation is what they do.)

[Boci]

Now the real question is: what do you do if multiclass penalties apply?

Step 1. Hit your DM with the players hanbook
Does he still want to use multiclassing penalties? Refer to step one.

[Scarlet Tropix]

Step 1. Hit your DM with the players hanbook
Does he still want to use multiclassing penalties? Refer to step one.

Absolute Truth.

[Foryn Gilnith]

How do multiclass penalties work in gestalt? Is wizard//barbarian distinct from wizard//factotum? Does wizard//prestige class count against the penalty?

[erikun]

This sounds fun. Anyone care to top it?
Sure, why not?

Psion 100//Psychic Rogue 39/Lurk 20/Factorium 20/Psion Uncarnate 10/Metamind 10/Monk 1

Use the above mentioned Metaconcert + Psychic Chirurgery to get every power memorized as a Psion, so that I can augment them all to 100 PP.

Feats:
Faerie Mysteries Initiate (INT to HP)
Insightful Reflexes (INT to Reflex save)
Keen Intellect (INT to Will save)
Ascetic Psion (INT to Monk AC, levels as Psion count towards Monk progression)

I'm still missing a way to apply INT of Fortitude saves, but I'm sure there's a way. In addition, Factorium allows me to add INT to AC as a dodge bonus, and INT to attack rolls.

I'm not sure how high you can you can boost a stat through magical equipment, but let's say I can get up to 110 INT (+50 bonus). That would mean...

5000+ HP
1920 PP
+105 to hit, at least
touch AC 130
+46 Fortitude save
+96 Reflex save
+112 Will save

"Hello" can simply be a Maximized, Twin Energy Ray for 1300 damage. Plus precision damage. Not that damage means much, but with Factorium/Schism giving extra actions...


And, just for fun, the Psionic Diamond! Based off the Psionic Sandwich.

1.) Start with yourself, a Diamond of Intellect, and your Psicrystal
2.) Get someone to Polymorph Any Object the diamond into a cat, and the Psicrystal into a bunny
3.) True Mind Switch into the Diamond-cat
4.) Disintegrate your former body
5.) Manifest Schism
6.) Have your Schism-mind True Mind Switch into the Psicrystal-bunny
7.) Eat the bunny (YUM!)
8.) Manifest Null Psionics to get rid of all this silliness

And now, you are inside a Diamond of Intellect, are your own Psicrystal, are a construct, object, and intelligent magical item. Best of all, you can spend your WBL all on enchanting yourself, for the maximum INT bonus your money can buy!

(pointing out obvious problems would be welcome)

[Lycanthromancer]

Epic psions gain 2 powers per level of any level he can manifest (not restricted by discipline). Who needs psychic chirurgery?

[erikun]

Ardent powers. :smalltongue: Also, for completionists like me.

[Wings of Peace]

Spell to Power Erudite 100//Factotum 20(Could be less really but I would feel bad)/Anything that will boost my Int Modifier

-Lots of Epic Powers

-Lots of Fonts of Inspiration

-Lots of Winning

((Erikun ninjad with something cooler :smallfrown:))

[Karu]

Erudite 100//Lurk 80/Psion Uncarnate 10/Metamind 10 would be a nice start, if only becuase I haven't played the classes before. Incorporeal, unlimited PP, knows all the powers in any supplement? Then again, a standard Psion 100 could use Metaconcert + Psychic Chirurgery to get all the powers too.

Perhaps we'll go with the Psionic Sandwich.

Replace the 100 Erudite/80 Lurker with 90 Erudite/90 Monk and add Vow of Poverty.

Mostly the same effect, but with the most killer stats and bonus feats ever.
Augment mind thrust with double manifestation, twin focus, augmented to the max... you're dealing over 2000 damage a turn, can move lightspeed, gain a darned SR of 110 and can utterly annihilate mostly anybody with your bare fists if manifesting ever becomes not an option.

EDIT: Ooooh, didn't know about that Ascetic Psion feat! Shiny, too bad I don't play 3.5 anymore.

[Temet Nosce]

X casting class up till you get Epic Spellcasting/Truenamer//Commoner

Just to make it more embarrassingly obvious it was a bad idea to use epic rules as is.

[Riffington]

I believe that it is important that one side be cleric 100 with the Strength domain, so you can add +100 to strength one round/day. This will also give you a massive CL and epic spells. Cleric Epic spells can do anything Sor/Wiz can do, so no arcane levels needed. If for whatever bizarre reason you find you need a Sor/Wiz spell but don't want to create an Epic version, you can always UMD it.
This means that your other side oughta be skillmonkey or something.

[nekomata2]

You could always mix that +100 strength with hulking hurler so you could throw....something really really big.

[Draz74]

Let's see, by Level 100 you can use LA buyoff to get rid of +7 worth of Level Adjustments, yes?

Dark Half-Fey Half-Celestial Half-Elf Factotum 20/Warblade 20/Crusader 2/Swordsage 3/Master of Nine 5/Eternal Blade 10/Swiftblade 10/Incarnate 18/Umbral Disciple 6/Chameleon 2/Uncanny Trickster 3/Exemplar 1//Wizard (conjurer) 5/Master Specialist 10/Mindbender 1/Fatespinner 5/Incantarix 10/Archmage 5/Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil 7/Mage of the Arcane Order 10/Divine Oracle 10/Rainbow Servant 10/Loremaster 2/Psion (telepath) 15/Metamind 10

How's that sound? Epic Wizard casting, with access to the Cleric list and just about every possible PrC feature. Epic Psionics. Every melee trick ever invented. Cunning Surge, Island in Time, Schism, Swiftblade, and more for action economy. Truckloads of skill points and skill-related class features. And to round it out, a nice variety of crazy self-buffs via Incarnum. Stealth is key. Good luck finding this guy ... ever.

[Tyndmyr]

I'd start with my Lil' Timmy build. That'll get me what, 13/12/12/7th level spells in Wizard/Sublime Chord/Ur Priest/Sorc respectively. Plus casting as a 1st level bard.

I'll fold in psion and warlock, and abuse the appropriate dual progression classes accordingly. I figure that by level 35, I should have six classes all casting at high enough spell slots that metamagic reducers are merely an entertaining bonus.

Since it starts with a dragonwrought kobold, I suppose there's no reason not to abuse loredrake along the way. Obviously, epic spellcasting is also grabbed asap for giggles.

This gives me 65 levels with nothing really to do. I'd probably poke around with interesting prestige classes. IoTSV, Incantrix. Anything that boosts action economy. Epic Leadership. I might need to do some heavy CL optimization, in order to make all the caster classes effectively immune to any published levels of SR. Then again, it's level 100, so...probably not.

On the non-prestige class side, I'd probably just see how many caster classes I could add. Truenamer. Beguiler. Hell, Factotum.

The biggest problem with level 100 is that optimization becomes almost irrelevant. You can just throw levels at any problem until it goes away. Or use epic casting. WBL also becomes absurd.

I suggest using level 30 instead. It's still insanely powerful, but it's at least still going to show some difference between builds.

[Scarlet Tropix]

By all means, build at whatever level makes your little hearts content.

[Boci]

Well for the 30 level gestalt:

Human
Side 1: Wizard 3 (UA variant to swap scribe scroll for improved intiative, trade familiar for something else) / Master specialist 10 / Incantrix 10 / IotSV 7
Side 2: Factotum 8 / Duskblade 13 / Cloister cleric 1 / Crusader 1 / RKV 7

[Tshern]

Having tangled with high epic in the form of an infamous challenge, I can attest that getting multiple classes capable of epic spellcasting is the way to go. Too bad dual casting is adviced against in gestalt.

A simple Wizard/Ur-Priest/bunch of prestige classes//Ardent 1/Psion would already give, at level 100, 40 epic spells per day when you toss in Practiced manifester on Ardent a few times. All this by taking Epic spellcasting and Epic manifesting once.

[HamHam]

Okay. Ignoring the suggestion to not use dual progression PrCs, I present the Ultimate Elf Gish:

Warblade 5//Beguiler 1/Elven Generalist Wizard 4
Crusader 5//Ultimate Magus 5
Sworsage 5//Ultimate Magus 6-10
Swordsage 6-10//Master of Nine 5
Warblade 6-20//Abjurant Champion 4/Bladesinger 10/ Eternal Blade 1
Cleric 1//Eternal Blade 2
Crusader 6-13//Ruby Knight Vindicator 7/Eternal Blade 3
Sorcerer 1/Dread Necro 1/Duskblade 1/Lion totem Barb 1/Swordsage 11-13//Eternal Blade 4-10
Incarnate 5/Soulborn 1//Incantrix 6
Sworsage 14-20// Elven Paragon 3/Incantrix 7-10
Incarnate 6-20//Soulcaster 10/Sapphire Heirarch 5
Swashbuckler 3/Pal 2//Sapphire Heirarch 6-10
Dread Necromancer 2-5//Mystic Theurge 4
Monk1//Iot7V 1
Factotum 8//Iot7V 2-7/Fate Spinner 2
Dread Necromancer 6/Fates Spinner 3

That's 100 levels of gestalt. Assuming I did my calculations right, that should give you 9th level maneuvers in all nine schools, casting as a 20th level wizard, beguiler, cleric, and sorcerer and like 6 or 7 each in Dread Necromancer and Duskblade. Also, you shape soul melds as a 20th level Incarnate and a 20th level Soulborn (or Totemist if you prefer).
You have the capstone abilities of Warblade, Swordsage, Master of Nine, Eternal Blade, Incarnate, Incantrix, Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil, Ultimate Magus, Soulcaster, Sapphire Heirarch and Bladesigner, as well as relevant mid-level class features of Ruby Knight Vindicator, Abjurant Champion, Factotum, and Fate Spinner.

You have some amount of epic spellcasting maybe. Whatever.