4e stacking penalties

[cupkeyk]

If a wizard has an abberant mark of madness and a daily that lasts all encounter that attacks every round(flaming sphere, visions of avarice, grease, iluusory wall etc) will the -2 will penalty stack such that assuming three hits over 3 rounds resulting to a will penalty of -6?

[Pramxnim]

Well, I don't recall off-hand if there were rules that prevent stacking of untyped bonuses from the same source, but just to be reasonable, I would rule that they don't stack, since they came from the same source (That particular feat on that particular character).

[Kurald Galain]

Penalties from the same power never stack (PHB page 275).

The reasonable interpretation thereof means that penalties from Mark of Madness don't stack either, even though by a strict ruling thereof it is not a power.

[cupkeyk]

It wouldn't be unreasonable then by RAW to have a -4(stacking) penalty from two(multiple) daily powers that both carry the penalty from aberrant mark of madness, eg a creature struck by both a flaming sphere and an illusory wall?

[Gralamin]

It wouldn't be unreasonable then by RAW to have a -4(stacking) penalty from two(multiple) daily powers that both carry the penalty from aberrant mark of madness, eg a creature struck by both a flaming sphere and an illusory wall?

That definitely works, yes.

[Pramxnim]

Well, if you're expending two daily resources to do so, then I'd allow it. Let's hope your DM is reasonable about it (disregard this comment if you are the DM in question).

[Guinea Anubis]

I do not have the PHB in front of me but I would have sworn that I read that penalties stacked.


Edit: found it Page 275

Penalties: Unlike bonuses, penalties don’t have types.
Penalties add together, unless they’re from the same power.
If two monsters attack you with the same power and each
causes you to take a penalty to a particular roll or score,
you don’t add the penalties together; you take the worst
penalty.

By how that reads I would say RAW that as long as the penalties come to diffrent powers they would stack.

[incubus5075]

By how that reads I would say RAW that as long as the penalties come to diffrent powers they would stack.



I agree, if you feel the need to pour two dailes into one target you need all the help you can get :) plus you spent a feat on the mark so as a DM I would allow it....that's just me though

[cupkeyk]

Well the wizard in question is spamming Improved tome of readiness for Illusory wall every encounter, and he has one daily attack power for up to three encounters. A -4 to will is still huge.