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dragonfan6490
2009-12-09, 06:44 PM
Inspired by this thread:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134463

Is there a way to add Charisma to one's AC or Saves?

Grumman
2009-12-09, 06:45 PM
To saves? Are you kidding? Paladins and Hexblades each get it at level 2, for starters.

XBobbis
2009-12-09, 06:45 PM
Saves is a 2 level dip in paladin.

Edit: Ninja'd.

Iku Rex
2009-12-09, 06:53 PM
Why put the link in code tags? That's just annoying.

Anyway, X stat to Y bonus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732) thread.

Mongoose87
2009-12-09, 07:24 PM
Become a god and you get your charisma as a deflection bonus to AC.

BenTheJester
2009-12-09, 08:02 PM
Become a god and you get your charisma as a deflection bonus to AC.

Or just become a Nymph and get Cha to AC and Saves.

erikun
2009-12-09, 08:03 PM
Become an Incorporeal Nymph Goddess and do all three!

Flickerdart
2009-12-09, 08:09 PM
Become an Incorporeal Nymph Goddess and do all three!
Doesn't stack, they're all Deflection.

The White Knight
2009-12-09, 08:15 PM
Sorceror/Monks can also get Cha to AC instead of Wis with the Ascetic Mage feat.

BenTheJester
2009-12-09, 08:17 PM
Doesn't stack, they're all Deflection.

Although a Nymph Blackguard Paladin(of Tyranny/Slaughter) Hexblade Sorcerer Monk with Ascetic Mage does! 4xcha to saves, 2x cha to AC

Boci
2009-12-09, 08:18 PM
Doesn't stack, they're all Deflection.

Your a god. Do you care what the rule say?

On topic: Gish builds can alway dip into the arcane dueler.

BenTheJester
2009-12-09, 08:19 PM
Your a god. Do you care what the rule say?

I bet St.Cuthbert does

Shadowbane
2009-12-09, 08:52 PM
Minstrel of Eversong, in my sig. First level gets Cutting Charm, so at the beginning of each round you decide to add your charisma bonus to Attack, Damage or AC.

sofawall
2009-12-09, 09:20 PM
Cha to AC/Saves is probably one of the easiest thing to get, barring dex to attack.

AirGuitarGod32
2009-12-10, 09:06 AM
I personally suggest doing this:

Force of Personality changes will saves to be based on Cha
combined with a two level dip in Paladin adds an additional cha to all stats
Basically, add cha to all stats

Glimbur
2009-12-10, 11:55 AM
Be one of these (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20031003e).

Zovc
2009-12-10, 12:04 PM
Link to Person Man's X stat to Y bonus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732).

Anonanimal
2009-12-10, 01:20 PM
Force of Personality changes will saves to be based on Cha
combined with a two level dip in Paladin adds an additional cha to all stats
Basically, add cha to all stats

The two level dip in Paladin covers Saves, and Force of Personality will bolster your Will save, further, but you've still got AC, damage, attack...

taltamir
2009-12-10, 01:25 PM
Although a Nymph Blackguard Paladin(of Tyranny/Slaughter) Hexblade Sorcerer Monk with Ascetic Mage does! 4xcha to saves, 2x cha to AC

Epic! someone has to illustrate this one :)

Mongoose87
2009-12-10, 01:32 PM
I personally suggest doing this:

Force of Personality changes will saves to be based on Cha
combined with a two level dip in Paladin adds an additional cha to all stats
Basically, add cha to all stats

IIRC, Force of Personality only applies to Mind Affecting spells.

Edwin
2009-12-10, 01:35 PM
Astral Stalker gets both, I believe.

It's +6 LA though. :smalltongue:

Zom B
2009-12-10, 01:46 PM
Or just become a Nymph and get Cha to AC and Saves.

Was about to get excited at the prospect of a Nymph Paladin/Hexblade but having to be 14th level before getting to take your first class level is going to put that off a bit.

AirGuitarGod32
2009-12-10, 04:33 PM
for the Deep Fey, what are the stat boosts? I might run 1 for my campaign. Come to think about it, if I ran a Gloura Hexblade 6, I get mondo CHA boosts, I think.

And there's a feat from BoXD that (if I'm not mistaken) adds CHA to BAB

Boci
2009-12-10, 05:08 PM
And there's a feat from BoXD that (if I'm not mistaken) adds CHA to BAB

Seriously doubt it. Attack bonus maybe, but i don't think its constant.

sofawall
2009-12-10, 05:10 PM
for the Deep Fey, what are the stat boosts? I might run 1 for my campaign. Come to think about it, if I ran a Gloura Hexblade 6, I get mondo CHA boosts, I think.

And there's a feat from BoXD that (if I'm not mistaken) adds CHA to BAB

Adds Cha mod to BAB? Such a thing does not exist.

herrhauptmann
2009-12-10, 05:34 PM
Go to the Arcanus campaign setting. The Patrician class uses his charisma modifier to set the save DC on a sort of sanctuary spell effect. But it's like 15+patrician level+ Cha mod, so it's effective for much longer than Sanctuary.

Another class ability, with a successful (I think it's cha, but maybe wis) check, you forcibly stop all fighting in an encounter, at higher levels, creatures you deem enemies, get morale penalties if they restart the fighting.

Glimbur
2009-12-10, 05:47 PM
for the Deep Fey, what are the stat boosts? I might run 1 for my campaign. Come to think about it, if I ran a Gloura Hexblade 6, I get mondo CHA boosts, I think.

Unless the entry says otherwise, monsters are generally created with all 10's and 11's in their ability scores. So subtract either 10 or 11 to get an even number and those are your racial modifiers.