Shadow of the colussus movie....

[Vulkan]

:smallfrown: Why does god hate us? Ive been wanting to have an intelligent conversation about why we should go burn every trace of this movie.

[The Rose Dragon]

Why do you want to burn it? Handled properly, it can be a beautiful epic.

Of course, for it to be handled properly, it has to be a silent movie, probably with muted colors and with a focus on scenery porn.

[Vulkan]

Yeah but I heard the guy who did "Street fighter legend of chun lee" was going to get his hands on it.. :smalleek:

[kpenguin]

Well... that's... well... uh-oh.

[Comet]

I'm going to miss the soundtrack, mostly. I don't think there's much of a chance that it'll get featured in the movie.
Who knows, the movie might actually be good. There's certainly not much story to be unfaithful to, so as long as they keep the basics the same it should still feel like Colossus.

Edit: Oh, and I definetly think they should have the characters speak that invented "language" they used in the game. But that's probably not going to happen either.

[TheSummoner]

Why do you want to burn it? Handled properly, it can be a beautiful epic.

When has Hollywood ever handled anything properly? Especially anything that existed before they got their grubby hands on it.

[Darth Mario]

When has Hollywood ever handled anything properly? Especially anything that existed before they got their grubby hands on it.

Lord of the Rings.

[Prime32]

Lord of the Rings.Well, that depends on what you mean by "Hollywood", since most of that was New Zealand.

[Lord of Rapture]

When has Hollywood ever handled anything properly? Especially anything that existed before they got their grubby hands on it.

Um...well....uh....

Let me think about this for a while.

[factotum]

And there's plenty of LotR fans who consider it wasn't handled all that properly anyway...the total destruction of Faramir's character being one of the main gripes.

[bosssmiley]

Lord of the Rings.

Was made on the other side of the world to Hollywood, and had Mark Ordetsky running interference with the studio for them.

SotC is doable as an animated short (probably by Europeans). But not as a movie. Definitely not a Hollywood one.

Still, at least it ain't U-- B--- ruining it for everyone.

[Haven]

Still, at least it ain't U-- B--- ruining it for everyone.

But he's the only genius in the business! :smallamused:

[WalkingTarget]

When has Hollywood ever handled anything properly? Especially anything that existed before they got their grubby hands on it.

The Princess Bride.

[13_CBS]

it has to be a silent movie,

Hoo boy...would Hollywood and the director interested in this movie understand that? Would SoC ever work with dialogue?

[pita]

When has Hollywood ever handled anything properly? Especially anything that existed before they got their grubby hands on it.

Watchmen (There is some dispute, but in my opinion its the best possible movie to come out of Watchmen, with a few minor quibbles I have against Zack Snyder's handling of non-action scenes), Memoirs of a Geisha (Book and movie were exactly the same, and I have the same reservations about the endings of both), The Road appears to be it for now, No Country For Old Men (Although I disliked both novel and movie), Batman: Year One (Movie name: Batman Begins), The Long Halloween and The Killing Joke (Movie Name: The Dark Knight), The Godfather (Widely considered greatest movie ever), American Psycho (A personal favorite) and I can go on all day.

[13_CBS]

I'm probably a bit late to the party on this one, but if tvtropes is to be believed, then...


[it's slated to be produced by Kevin Misher (The Scorpion King) and written by Justin Marks (Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun Li). May God have mercy on us all.

:smalleek: :smallfrown:

[WalkingTarget]

Watchmen (There is some dispute, but in my opinion its the best possible movie to come out of Watchmen, with a few minor quibbles I have against Zack Snyder's handling of non-action scenes),

My quibbles with Watchmen are largely the same as the ones I have with LotR. Both film adaptations get the plot on the screen, but sacrifice a lot of complexity/subtlety/etc. in order to do so in the time allotted. I think that Watchmen would have been better served as a mini-series where they could take more time to develop things.

[truemane]

The major issue I can see with a SoC movie is that you'd either have to have only a single colossus at the end (maybe two) or the whole thing would just feel too episodic. It works in a video game because it's a convention of the medium that it goes level-boss, level-boss, level-boss, but it absolutely wouldn't translate into film format. Films only get to have one boss. Maybe a smaller boss in front of the first boss to generate tension or create a training-montage, but that's about it. The medium of film is a horribly restrictive one.

Scene 1: Temple
-Comes in and talks to the creepy voice

Scene 2: Riding
-Riding

Scene 3: Collossus
-Fighting. Loud musc. CGI, innocent creature dies, everyone cries.

Scene 4: Temple. Again.
-WTF? We were here 10 minutes ago?

Scene 5: Colossus. Again.
-Another one. More music. Dies. Everyone checks their watch.

Scene 6: Temple. Yet again.
-Everyone leaves to see if they can catch the beginning of Street Fighter III: The Shaving of Blanka

Etc etc etc. BORING. It's fun when you're fighting them. Watching it over and over again would be like watching a 2 hour long trailer.

Also, some other things that Hollywood got right:

1. Brokeback Mountain (short story)
2. Shawshank Redemption (novella)
3. Glengarry Glenross (play)
4. Snow White and the Seven Dwarves (faerie tale)
5. Forest Gump (book)
6. Apocalypse Now (novella)
7. Jaws (BAD book. Seriously. Peter Benchley is a hack. Speilberg is an artist)
8. 300 (comic. I know, I know, it's like a Big Mac. I know it's bad for me. I know I shouldn't, but I love it all the same)
9. Sin City (graphic novel)
10. Field of Dreams (book)

And that's even getting into Biopics based on real people. There are dozens of those that are wonderful, wonderful films.

[TheSummoner]

Mkay, some people have taken my indirect challenge and posted some good movies... And now I shall throw them into the ocean of other movies hollywood has mucked up. Anyone feel like wading through the crap to find the few gems that do exist?

Besides, a SoC movie in the hands of Hollywood would without fail have some crappy romance subplot tacked on, major unnecessary revisions would be done to the plot and setting, and for good measure, they would let it soak in the urinal for a day or two. You know its true =P

[truemane]

Mkay, some people have taken my indirect challenge and posted some good movies... And now I shall throw them into the ocean of other movies hollywood has mucked up. Anyone feel like wading through the crap to find the few gems that do exist?

Besides, a SoC movie in the hands of Hollywood would without fail have some crappy romance subplot tacked on, major unnecessary revisions would be done to the plot and setting, and for good measure, they would let it soak in the urinal for a day or two. You know its true =P

Remember: Hollywood only fills a need, they don't create it. If we all, as a species, decided to boycot Transformers 2 and go see the Hurt Locker instead, then Hollywood would get the point and stop giving us 2.5 hour long fights between clanging flatware and start mass-producing intelligent dramas about people who act like real people.

Remember this: film is the single most expensice art form in the history of the human race (unless you define architecture as an art form). That means any dsicussion about film as an industry must include return on the dollar. That means that Hollywood is not in the Art business. It's not even in the Entertainment business, it's in the Risk Management business. And as such they're going to put the dollars where they're sure the dollars are going to come back to them. They have to. Or else there'd be no dollars for any more films.

[TheSummoner]

The problem there is, by my estimates, about 75% of the population fits into a category I like to call "Too stupid to live." These people don't care about quality and will go see any crap that exists to be shoved down their throats. Since they outnumber the normal (20-24%) and the intelligent (1-5%), theres not much we can do...

[truemane]

The problem there is, by my estimates, about 75% of the population fits into a category I like to call "Too stupid to live." These people don't care about quality and will go see any crap that exists to be shoved down their throats. Since they outnumber the normal (20-24%) and the intelligent (1-5%), theres not much we can do...

All I'm saying is that it's not Hollywood's fault. If more people went to see 'better' films then Hollywood would make 'better' films. That's all. It's like blaming McDonald's for overweight people.

[Boo]

The Godfather (Widely considered greatest movie ever)

I remember that title going to "The Godfather II".

[TheSummoner]

Eh, I know that, I really do, but I don't feel it absolves them of all of the blame... I'll agree that since 3/4 of the population is made up of sheep who will sit through any crap that gets put out there, Hollywood has no real incentive to make a good movie (Why make something good when crap is cheaper to produce and sells just as well?).

Still, I see it as laziness on the part of the vast majority of filmmakers to not even make an attempt at a good movie. The filmmakers know what they're doing... they're producing a watery gruel in film form and selling it to the masses. The concept can be applied to video games and television as well. I want to know what happened to the days when there were a noticable number of filmmakers who actually strived for excellence... who actually tried to, and often succeeded in making art.

Hell, no one goes to McDonalds for quality food. They go there because its cheap, fast, and it'll fill you up. However, at the very least you know theres a steakhouse down the street where you could sit down, order a nice meal, and genuinely enjoy the experience. I can accept that some people are satisfied with their greasy little prepackaged and frozen hamburgers, but I want my steak dammit!

[DraPrime]

The problem there is, by my estimates, about 75% of the population fits into a category I like to call "Too stupid to live." These people don't care about quality and will go see any crap that exists to be shoved down their throats. Since they outnumber the normal (20-24%) and the intelligent (1-5%), theres not much we can do...

And 100% of people smugly assure themselves that they're not stupid.

[TheSummoner]

Eh, I never claimed to be a brain surgeon, but I'm fairly confident that I'm not too stupid to live. I'd say that the majority of this forum fits in the normal or intelligent groups, which is surprising considering the rest of the internet ^_^

[truemane]

Still, I see it as laziness on the part of the vast majority of filmmakers to not even make an attempt at a good movie. The filmmakers know what they're doing... they're producing a watery gruel in film form and selling it to the masses. The concept can be applied to video games and television as well. I want to know what happened to the days when there were a noticable number of filmmakers who actually strived for excellence... who actually tried to, and often succeeded in making art.

Hell, no one goes to McDonalds for quality food. They go there because its cheap, fast, and it'll fill you up. However, at the very least you know theres a steakhouse down the street where you could sit down, order a nice meal, and genuinely enjoy the experience. I can accept that some people are satisfied with their greasy little prepackaged and frozen hamburgers, but I want my steak dammit!

But I consider it laziness on the part of the filmgoers. The world is filled with filmmakers striving for art and succeeding. Universities are filled with them. And film festivals and revivial houses and indie theatres and second-run theatres and video on demand and Netflix and etc etc. If you live in a small town then, mirabile dictu, your chances of seeing quality film in a theatre go way down. I'll give you that.

And platforming has changed the way studio film is distributed and therefore the way it is marketed and therefore the way it is seen. Just like Muchmusic and the music video forever changed the way music was distributed and consumed in the 80's.

But the films are out there. Good film. Redeeming films. Film that only got made because it became somones like to make it. You just have to go find them.

But I will agree that studio film is a different gamenow than it was in the 70's. and that's due to national platforming (the process of centrally booking movie theatres across the entire country).

[Tyrant]

Eh, I know that, I really do, but I don't feel it absolves them of all of the blame... I'll agree that since 3/4 of the population is made up of sheep who will sit through any crap that gets put out there, Hollywood has no real incentive to make a good movie (Why make something good when crap is cheaper to produce and sells just as well?).
I don't think it's a matter of mass stupidity. I think it's a matter of the type of people that "better" movies should appeal to simply don't watch movies in large numbers. Assuming that a movie ticket costs $10 (I know it can be more or less than that, but stick with me here), if a movie makes $250 million then 25 million tickets were sold. Even if somehow not a single one was a repeat, that's only 25 million people in a nation of over 300 million. It's not that there are lots of stupid people. It's that most people who go watch movies are willing to settle for crap (or are willing to spend money to find out if movies are crap when it should be obvious from the previews). Add to that the fact that theater costs continue to rise and people seem to be increasingly rude in theaters. I know I don't like paying for a ticket to listen to someone talk on their phone. Not to generalise, but people with lower expectations seem to be more willing to deal with that crap so they keep going.

Maybe it's a chicken and the egg thing. Which came first, the bad movies that draw in huge crowds or the huge crowds willing to watch bad movies?

I do generally agree that it would be nice if better movies were made, just to be clear.

[The Rose Dragon]

When has Hollywood ever handled anything properly? Especially anything that existed before they got their grubby hands on it.

Wherever in my post did I mention Hollywood?

[Prime32]

The major issue I can see with a SoC movie is that you'd either have to have only a single colossus at the end (maybe two) or the whole thing would just feel too episodic. It works in a video game because it's a convention of the medium that it goes level-boss, level-boss, level-boss, but it absolutely wouldn't translate into film format. Films only get to have one boss. Maybe a smaller boss in front of the first boss to generate tension or create a training-montage, but that's about it. The medium of film is a horribly restrictive one.

Scene 1: Temple
-Comes in and talks to the creepy voice

Scene 2: Riding
-Riding

Scene 3: Collossus
-Fighting. Loud musc. CGI, innocent creature dies, everyone cries.

Scene 4: Temple. Again.
-WTF? We were here 10 minutes ago?

Scene 5: Colossus. Again.
-Another one. More music. Dies. Everyone checks their watch.

Scene 6: Temple. Yet again.
-Everyone leaves to see if they can catch the beginning of Street Fighter III: The Shaving of Blanka

Etc etc etc. BORING. It's fun when you're fighting them. Watching it over and over again would be like watching a 2 hour long trailer.I would suggest having a fight at the beginning and the end, and having more fights take place off-screen.

Something like:
*Main character encounters a Colossus, is scared at first but manages to kill it*
*Old Man shows up saying something about how he is destined to defeat the colossi*
*Time Skip*
*Slightly older version of main character who wears pieces of Colossi as trophies is shown defeating a Colossus with ease, grinning as he does so*
*The "ultimate" Colossus shows up, much tougher than anything he's ever faced*


Granted, I've never actually played the game.